Man of steel 10/10
Batman v Superman 9/10
The only thing I didn't like was that it wasn't longer.
Post BVS related analysis stuff
>>70285230
>Man of steel 10/10
>Batman v Superman 9/10
>>70285230
Man of Steel 8.5
BvS 9
Both top tier capekino
Could have done without Doomsday/death
Affleck will deliver the first 10/10
The main theme of Snyder's "Batman v Superman" on spiritual dematerialism is not eschatological, but a phenomenological ontology. Thus he implies that we have to choose between predialectic construction and deconstructivist neodialectic theory, essentially Heideggerian as seen in the concept of Dasein. The subject is interpolated then into a cinematic dematerialism that includes spirituality as a whole. But if the Kierkegaardian worldview holds, we have to choose between the cultural paradigm of expression and atomism. In Snyder's own "Man of Steel" he has a character say that "the world's too big”. Inherent in this is how the function of Lebenswelt (cinematically translated by Snyder as "world of life") operates in all his films, chiefly in "Sucker Punch" and "300". We see a phenomenological approach to the world showing a cinematic logic that presupposes a structural constraint in rootedness, another intentionality central to his filmography and philosophy. Because "metaphysical comfort" is not an object of temporality per se, but rather an aspect of automatic condition, as suggested by Cavell. Hermeneutic interpretations are also apparent in his post-"Watchmen" movies; in fact the interchangeable subjectivities are but another representation of Husserl's and Wittgenstein's "form of life". As his academic hero Heidegger succintly noted, "freedom is the ‘abyss’ of Dasein, its groundless or absent ground". This is essentially the thesis operating in Snyder's films.
>>70285370
DELETE THIS
KEEP IT IN ONE THREAD
and carry on. good luck to you guys
>>70285230
I think that it's time the fans start talking about what the themes mean in the grander scheme of things. I mean, even the themes of obsession and heroism so prevalent in BvS are presented as extensions of the deepest and. in my opinion, the most important theme:
Perception vs. Reality
Taking for granted that BvS is the presentation of the answer to Perry White's question - "Do you know how people would react if they knew there was someone like this out there?" - it's plain to see that when mankind is given a tangible, god-like figure walking among us, they'll seek to turn him into a god. After all, for the past two years, Clark has been more than just an idea in the back of people's minds. He's on their televisions, their internet, in some instances the skies above them. Is it possible that the collective unconscious beliefs of mankind are manifesting as a form of magic?
>>70285370
Truly the finest kino
>>70288284
Magic begins in perception, and while that doesn't mean anything to Clark, him being just a man and all, the same doesn't hold true for what's coming.
If it was hard to fight off deification before, how much worse will it become when he comes back as a literally risen savior?
>>70288284
>>70288450
anyone else notice any crossover between bvs and suicide squad thematically? visually?
>bad people can do good
>something going on about how they see themselves/how they're seen by society
>the government afraid of superman, in an existential way or because of the possible threat to their power?
>>70288561
I'm starting to think that the single biggest thing introduced in Suicide Squad is going to be actual magic being a reality in the DCEU,
>>70288606
>The spear was inanely thrown into the water and retrieved so Zack could further play up the Jesus allegory
Like pottery.
>>70288830
King Arthur and Excalibur you pleb.
This meme need to stop.
>>70288830
Actually, it's more in line with Arthurian legend. I've always thought the whole Longinus angle was inaccurate. Lois is a stand-in for the Lady of the Lake.
>>70288888
>>70288888
>>70288888
It's not all meme. There's a heavy element of Poe's law here, but you can still distinguish between the real discussion and the ironic ones from the amount of hyperbole involved.
Me, for instance, I don't think BvS was anything more than better than average for a cape film, but I'm intrigued by the world-building.
>>70288677
Pure unadulturated kino
>>70288888
i'm just hoping for at least one full out balls to the wall epic that's pulled off with finesse
When's the director's cut gonna be out on torrents? I want to see Snyder's original vision for the film. Hopefully WB doesn't neuter Justice League and he gets to complete his trilogy.
>>70285230
MoS is like a 7 max
BvS is like 5
>>70285230
mos 8/10
bvs 6/10
also, stop
MoS: 9/10
BvS: 10/10
Watchmen: 10/10
300: 8/10
Snyder is the one true capeshit kinographer.
I would really like if you could explore onto the scene where bruce talks about his ancestors
should i study all the those analysis before watching the Film, or after?
should i go directly for the director's cut? 4K HDR torrent when?
>>70285230
>>70291631
just wait until the director's cut and watch it fresh and see what you gather from it
as far as the 'deeper' meanings the movie plays with, it doesn't rely on you understanding the references or meanings to follow along with the bare plot and characters it's there for 'those who want to look deeper' or something
>>70291631
I'd just wait for the director's cut at this point. Also, be selective in what you choose to believe about some of the connections being made. There are a lot of them that are outright the work of memesters.
If you're familiar with comics lore and have even just a smattering of familiarity with works like Moby Dick, Arthurian legend, and how those themes apply to the principals, you'll pick up a lot of what's there.
From my perspective, it's also important to keep in mind that these films are telling Supernan's story from the angle of a 'First Contact" scenario. "Batman v Superman" is a lot less about Superman than it is about the wirkd's reaction to him.
>>70292108
>wirkd's
world's
>>70285370
he looks so miserable
Zack "Based" Snyder
Lord Zacharias Snyder, the ultimate kinographer
>>70292108
>Do you bleed
>Asks WW the same question at that time of the month
>STFU you misogynistic prick!
>>70288888
Based quint. This meme is dead.
>>70293413
purekino,
thos head shots of batman, all you can see is his outline and eyes.
>>70288606
>>70288606
>>70288641
>>70288677
>>70288704
>>70288735
DUDE SYMBOLISM LMAO
>>70294159
>>70294306
In all honesty, the symbolism didn't stop either MoS or BvS from being mediocre movies at best.
>>70285624
shut the fuck up faggot
>tfw the first comparison to BvS people make is Civil War
>tfw I liked both
>tfw I acknowledge that Civil War, as a whole, is the better crafted movie albeit predictable and formulaic
>It had better editing, a more cohesive story, and surprisingly few quips for a marvel flick>tfw I still liked BvS more because of Snyder's visual style and directing
Some good reads:
http://www.thegekdom.com/home/2016/4/30/a-thesis-on-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice
manofsteelanswers.com/lex-luthor-explained/
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/URaA0hs.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
>>70294391
Kek
I sent this guy all our autistic analysis, we'll be seeing a BvS thesis video soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p5-14rjWUM
>>70294873
must confess, as one of inner circle of pasta patrons, i've actually talked to the dude in the week after the movie came out
also got some dude in the comments mad at me, his 'interpretation' of certain things stretched shit far more than anything here
>>70294633
Honestly since most people seem to agree that neither movies were all that good, I should be posting that reaction image about you.
>>70295104
>most people have taste
>most people have no taste
Choose.
>>70295104
>most people agree with me, therefore I am right
Said no intelligent person ever.
>>70295104
the 'agreement' is based on the supposed destruction porn and it not being donnerman
furthermore, there is no consensus, people were split on it from the beginning and even those negative reactions were based on specific momentary things that happen in the movie and not the movie itself
i absolutely don't mean to disparage anyone's thoughts but a lot of what people say is complete bullshit
and i thought it was okay when it saw it back then, for vastly different reasons than what people parade on the internet
Doomsday's birth scene seems to be a homage to these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qNeGSJaQ9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jamrudGfC4
Also, friendly reminder that if there's an Irreversible-inspired scene in the Ultimate Cut
>>70258519
by consequence the Banepost and the whale hole were intentional.
>>70252332
>>70252452
>>70252396
>>70254329
>>70295267
>>70295310
you are a fucking moron, a complete fucking moron. delete your post
there were multiple posters posting as zack snyder
>>70295372
and you took the bait
you're the moron not realizing he IS the one that was posting as snyder
>>70295477
shut the fuck up. that's not the guy(s). these generals have enough of an uphill battle as it is for people to start including made up troll posts in how they inform themselves
>yet another pic and copypasta dump to make it seem as if discussion is happening
Has there even been such a display of denial?
>>70295616
>Also, friendly reminder that if there's an Irreversible-inspired scene in the Ultimate Cut
This is based on an interview with Zack where he said that for a dark movie Bats could be raped.
Anyone who's a fan of BvS is aware of this and anyone who's wants to troll uses this to make fun of Zack. So yea, the guy you responded to was trolling and he put a lot of time and effort in it so he was probably one of the guys that was posing as Zack.
Also, see how he didn't deny it.
I'm aware that Poe's Law is strong in BvS threads but you got to level up dude.
>>70294306
Poor guy to see his career die the moment it started taking off.
As someone who has actually read l'Morte d'Arthur I can confirm that it has literally nothing to do with BvS.
Just the meme and delusion staying strong.
>>70295928
No one truly believes that.
Liking BvS became a meme the moment everyone took a collective shit on it.
>>70285230
OP is the same guy dumping pics and copypastas trying, and of course, failing, to explain why these cheap flicks aren't trash.
>>70295796i made the irreversible post in that thread. the guy who linked it in this one either took it seriously or thought it was tasty bait
generally there's self policing but it's now obvious that it's easy to mix misinformation. it's easy to make even more stuff like that and in a very superficial way make it seem indistinguishable from everything else
>>70295854
I've read l'Morte d'Arthur too and you could draw certain comparisons. I wouldn't claim they were intentional but they are definitely there.
>>70296224
was meant for >>70295928
>>70294391
it was pretty badly handed. Especially MoS was laughable so he toned it down with BvS
>>70296453
There's actually more symbolism in BvS than in MoS. If by toning down you mean more subtle, I agree.
But what most people don't seem to understand is that Snyder uses this imagery mostly as an aesthetic choice.
In his mind: Thematic imagery > generic imagery.
>>70296607
the hilarious thing about the complaints about symbolism in MoS is that most of it went unnoticed picked out two instances of visual cues
>>70295928
l'Morte d'Arthur? No.
The 80s film "Excalibur" that draws loosely from Arthurian legend and has a subtext concerning the nature of heroism and how one's motivations apply to it? Yes.
so let's take into context what Snyder's task are. He is given a task to create a movie that:
1) create an origin movie for Justice League
a) this will include scenes and character development for Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman
b) have the 3 team up to serve as a basis for Justice League - obviously this has to be a super villain since how can stand against 3 superheroes?
c) have that super villain be engineered by human to serve its origin and for connecting with the human personas of Superman and Batman
2. have a continuity to Superman's actions after the Man of Steel 0 this includes the political aspects of having an uncontrollable god exist in the presence of humans and its spiritual implications as well
3. Introduce Batman and relate him to Superman
4. Be distincly different from Marvel movies. tackle the serious side of having heroes within among us and let the people think
Given this ginormous task, its amazing how Snyder was able to make it all work in his film. To cover all this points would take about 4 - 4 1/2 hours and I feel that if given the freedom Snyder would have done it so. A task of this magnitude would have failed Kubrick but Snyder has done it, although we admit this is not his best work but I would have loved to see what he could have done in a 4 hour epic Director's cut of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice ™
>>70288830
not everything is about jesus imagery jfc.
>>70297074
To add to this, build a world where magic makes some sense. I honestly believe that all the religious imagery ties into that. It's kind of like what Frank Herbert explored in the "Dune" series and "The Godmakers."
>>70297440
actually the jesus imagery if you think about it is from the perspective of the humans, i.e at the church scene at MoS (perspective of the priest) and during the flood (perspective of those stranded). its what humans will literally picture a superhuman alien that is nigh invincible to be. hell, humans have pictured other humans as their saviour or as jesus with much less feats than that
>>70297526
Precisely. And it's that investment of belief that I think is about to come into play.Kneel to your god-king.
After reading all this analysis, I finally understand.
BvS is the Anvil Hoarder of our times.
>>70297643
I only started frequenting this board over the past few years, so I missed out on the Anvil Hoarder bit. Would you care to share a brief synopsis?
>>70297708
It's a meme about an incomprehensible art movie from the 1930's that doesn't actually exist. People made up deep interpretations about it for shits and giggles.
There were threads about it just a few months back where we came up with new subplots for it.
>>70297766
Ah, gotcha. I've used a "Mines of Moria" analogy when referring to the analysis of MoS and BvS, where there's some unanticipated depth and meaning, but by digging too deep, some people unleashed the trolls.
I'm the author of some of the pasta, but mine tends to be of the sort that eschews hyperbolic praise, though I do genuinely love these films.
>>70285230
>Man of steel 10/10
>Batman v Superman 9/10
DAMAGE
CONTROL
>>70288888
Quints confirm. The meme needs to die.
>>70297889
I'm the same way, I love these movies, but I go ham on the symbolism just to anger the haters and to troll the crazies.
>>70297977
But can't you see the harm you're doing? People will start taking you seriously, then they'll start pretending to "get it" to fit in. It's awful.
>>70285230
Superman's so gay.
>>70298019
>harm
top kek, kys
Man Of Steel is a 6/10 easily, but I sincerely believe Batman Vs Superman will be looked back upon years from now as an 8/10. Not quite a classic, but really rich.
>>70297977
Understood. I too am a disciple of Lord Snyder, Breaker of Plebs and Father of Superkino.
>>70298071
Only by angry DCucks.
>>70298071
I think it's the other way round. Man of Steel will be looked back on as a solid 7.9/10 and Batman vs Superman will languish in the gutter where it belongs.
I never saw Man of Steel, but I saw Batman v Superman about a week after it came out in theaters. It's ok. "Ok", as in it's a 6/10 at most. I'm not entirely sure why the critics gave it 3's and 4's when the genre has movies like Batman & Robin, Catwoman, Green Lantern, and Superman 3, but whatever.
I really liked Affleck's Batman. I didn't like Cavill's Superman at all, and Adams's Lois Lane seemed like nothing more than a plot device. I thought Eisenberg did a great job as a crazy, psychotic, egotistical villain...but he wasn't a good Lex Luthor. Gadot's Wonder Woman was completely pointless, and had no impact on the plot other than to steal Bruce's phone that he was using to hack into Luthor's servers.
Like I said, I'd give it a 6/10. It was pretty mediocre, with inconsistent qualities. Sometimes it was good (Bruce's detective scenes, Bruce and Alfred analyzing data in the Batcave), sometimes it was great (the warehouse scene, the opening scene), sometimes it was bad (Pa Kent in the Himalayas as a ghost), sometimes it was awful (literally every 'metahumans' scene, the Martha! scene, Lex talking to the Senator). I enjoyed Civil War better, but Spider-Man is my favorite superhero (Batman is second) and the acting across the board was better.
I'll give the ultimate edition a shot, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
>>70285230
wut?
super amn is jesus?
holy shit!
>>70298314
>I never saw Man of Steel, but I saw Batman v Superman about a week after it came out in theaters.
Have you seen it yet though?
>>70298081
Something about his style of speech pisses me off and I don't know why.
>>70288888
If you think quints are going to stop us from discussing a good movie better go back to >>>/s4s/
Final Cut when?
>>70298173
I'm not so sure about that, The pic in >>70298081
sums up my current appreciation of them, and I'm HYPE for the Director's Cut.GET HYPEETHYPE
>>70301628
that pic gives me an immense sense of aesthetic satisfaction
>>70300290
July 19th.
>>70301628
>>70294463
wew
>>70294590
good read indeed
>8 posts in 7 hours
It's so sad how desperate DCfags are for discussion of this flick.
Never seen this amount of denial before.
