Thoughts on The Sopranos' ending?
Tony dies like a bitch
The end
worst finale ever?
Phil death plays like a WSHH video for no reason
Everyone seems cool with AJ fucking an underage girl
Tony gets AJ a job at a porno company, carmela is ok with it
Sil has no dialogue and left in limbo
Furio sitting in the back of the diner, but the camera never focuses on him implying that he may have killed Tony unresolved
>>70278067
>worst finale ever?
what would /tv/ have thought if it showed tony being blasted by an off camera thug / old enemy and then it cut to black with the family screaming ?
>>70278138
Edgy shit
>>70278120
Lost is worse, but this was pretty fucking depressing
>>70278067
furio was in the background?
>>70278193
how edgy ? he would hve had that coming for years.
is it not more edgy to do a "lets cut to black in the middle of a shot to leave it open for people to argue over or so that HBO can give me a movie deal down the line" well too late now david, james is dead for real.
>>70278244
Yeah where was he
>>70278235
Journey was playing, so it can't be that depressing. Also why was Meadow do inept in parking her car?
>>70278305
Maybe they can extend the story of a different character. Like Silvio, he wakes up from his coma takes the rings of family and tries to figure out who killed Tony (which is the route they'd have to go if they do extend the story)
>>70278193
It's not like they've done it before
>>70278120
For a show with practically no cliff hangers they end the show with a cliff hanger. In the context of the show's historical endings alone this has to be one of the worst endings of all time.
Disliking/hating The Sopranos finale and the diner scene shows me where you and I stand when it comes to common sense and good taste.
>>70277787
>being this much of a spoon fed pleb
>>70278067
All of season 6 I wanted AJ to off himself. And then when it showed him sitting on the diving board with the plastic bag and cement block I felt awful. I regretted all my previous feelings about AJ. Then later in the episode I was back to my old belief of AJ offing himself. And I hated him for the rest of the show. But just seeing him sitting there about to kill himself and actually attempting to kill himself really hit me hard. Despite not being suicidal or knowing anyone suicidal, that scene was tough to watch.
>>70277855
Please never post again
>>70279995
I never said my position on the ending. I just wanted to see what everyone else thought about it. I've already made my decision on where I stand. I enjoyed it.
>>70280036
I'm asking a fucking question. I already have my own opinion on the ending
Mixed opinions about the events throughout the series. It got boring a lot of times. Not saying they had to keep killings and violence running to keep it exciting, but a show can be non violent and still interesting to watch. Look at a show like House MD, almost never has violence, and keeps you engaged. So there's no reason for it.
However, the final scene, it truly is brilliant. It is not about what happens to Tony, the objective of that scene is to make YOU the viewer finally feel how Tony does. That constant paranoid and being on edge. All this time throughout the series, you watched it thinking maybe being a mafia member could be cool and exciting. But at that last moment, you feel the constant tension they feel, and it finally clicks for you... that entire lifestyle that you thought could be cool... it would make you feel constant fear and paranoia actually living it.
>>70280177
I meant generally. Usually when I see people shitting on The Sopranos ending I ask them what are their favorite shows and the answers are "Game of Thrones, Dexter, House, Breaking Bad" and shit like that.
>>70280335
>It got boring a lot of times
Faggot detected.
>>70280335
Thinking the show is boring but getting the ending correct... yeah that's not your own opinion on the ending faggot
>>70280490
Now that I've finished Sopranos, what show should I watch now?
I never even wathced The Sorpanos. Should I do thme? i hate tv actually
He's dead, Jim.
Great ending. The ultimate pleb filter.
>>70280961
It's not TV. It's HBO
I cried when Hearst cut off Al's finger.
>>70281001
This
>>70281011
I don't believe it
>>70280960
Mad Men
The Shield
The Wire
Damages
He dies and it's a good ending.
>>70281285
Why does everyone keep saying this shit
>>70281166
Never heard of the shield or damages. All dramas?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRkLE3rAwGE
>>70281508
Unsettling
>>70281508
As someone who has never seen this show it looks boring as shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSL-zRHfyss
Why did he kill Chrisy? They're worse people...
>>70282151
Are you fucking kidding me? You think Tony killed Chrissy because he was bad? Because of the tree trunk through the car seat? That was just Tony's justification to himself. He did it because he wanted to. Because he was depressed and ashamed with what Chrissy had become. The child was grown the dream was gone, and now all Chrissy was to Tony was a liability and a big one, a relapsed junkie with a bad habit of fucking up and saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. Not to mention all of Tony's secrets that Chrissy had.
>>70282238
If Tony supported Chrissy and put his foot down on all the shit Paulie and others were giving Chrissy then Chrissy could of been the Tony's boss in training. Chrissy had everything Tony needed, only problem was his drug and drinking problem, and they problem only persisted after Chrissy got help, and that was because of his environment. An environment Tony had the capability to changing in order to more suit Chrissy.
>>70282414
But Tony had already tried the whole "making Chrissy his successor" and it didn't work. Tony did him a favor by not whacking him on 2 or 3 different occasions already. How many reprieves does Chrissy get? Not that Tony's perfect or anything, but Tony's supposed to change and be supportive of Chrissy? Tony is supposed to coddle Chrissy and baby him every step of the way? As it was he was over protective of Chrissy and it hurt his development as the heir apparent.
>>70280960
Deadwood
>>70279811
that's no story. i could't bring myself to watch that.
No. Sopranos is finished.
>>70282598
Because Chrissy is family. Imagine if Chrissy was his son? Tony would do all of that. And the show led us to believe that Tony took Chrissy as his son. So it's not a far stretch to think Tony would bend to Chrissy's needs.
>>70282678
Will there ever be another show like the Sopranos?
>>70280960
Boardwalk Empire. Ignore all the fags saying to stop watching after season 2.
>>70282238
>>70282414
>>70282598
>a relapsed junkie with a bad habit of fucking up and saying the wrong thing at the wrong time
>could of
>Chrissy Chrissy Chrissy
What are you doing on the internet, on a Korean image board, Paulie? Did you forget Pearl Harbor?
>>70282601
Looks interesting
>>70282989
No, anon.
There are close ones, like Mad Men. But The Sopranos was a comet in our lifetime.
Be thankful you saw it rip through the sky.
>>70283026
I was looking at that. I'm debating between starting that or The Wire
>>70277787
Biggest wet blanket of an ending
>>70282918
Tony bent to Chrissy's needs by letting him go to rehab and not clipping him out right. He bent again when he listened to Tony B out there on that access road when he had Chrissy on his knees and a .38 to his head. He bent yet again when he not only spared Chrissy's life when he came forward with the Adrianna revelation, but by also not making him pull the trigger on her to prove his loyalty.
One of the final straws for Tony was the episode when Chris has the cookout, where he totally destroys the built up heroic image of his father Dickie. Chris forces Tony to realize that his hero was the same junkie his son became. He also realized that on some level Johnny Boy let Dickie get hit because, as a junkie, he was extremely unreliable.
>>70283047
Watch it
>>70283047
Word to the wise kid, don't get cunty on me. Heheh
>>70283105
The Wire is a lot better.
>>70283076
:'-)
We truly live in the best era of television.
>>70283106
Hardly a wet blanket. I almost had a heart attack.
>>70283247
I knew it was coming and STILL had a heart attack.
Hell, I just saw the embedded video someone posted in here and I almost had a heart attack again. Fucking slaps you
>>70283333
Madone! Look at all those fawkin quads!
>>70283125
You got to make sacrifices, no one is perfect. But Chrissy was the best fit for next boss, with the right support. Tony broke because he falsely interpreted Chrissy's movie. Tony took Cleaver as a foreshadowing of Chrissy clipping him.
>>70283148
Okay
>>70283167
You don't say?
>>70283634
And Chrissy hated Tony at that point and wanted to kill him, just look at his eyes in that scene at the end of the episode. Tony already made sacrifices for Chrissy, tons of them, and Chrissy always found a way to shit on Tony's head as a thank you. Tony didn't have to give him the OK to make that movie, and he did. Frankly the guy just wasn't boss material because he was always distracted by one thing or another, Tony was just blinded by his love for Dickie and Chrissy to see it. He was seeing what he wanted to see. And that's what he finally realized before he killed him.
>Know few girls who watched Sopranos
>Ask them whose their favourite character
>Paulie
Why?
>>70284521
Chrissy never showed his full potential to be boss because he never had the support to become the boss. Tony thought his semi support would be enough for Chrissy but it wasn't. Chrissy needed the support of the family.
>>70284743
Shit wrong person
>>70284521
heh heh
GOAT ending. We the viewers experience death through Tony's pov, all while knowing that Tony's family witness a point blank headshot and get some extra ketchup on their food
>>70277787
It was rather .... Dark.
>>70284743
>Chrissy needed the support of the family.
Chrissy would have been killed hadnt Tony been protecting the little piece of shit.
The guy got an inteligence in league with Paulie along with insecurities that would make Junior proud
>>70284862
Well this is the Sopranos... it's a pretty dark drama
I have absolutely no problem with the finale. I liked it. And i think it's vagueness to some extent only helped cement it's legacy as an ATG show. No matter how many years from now when people watch it, there will still be questions posed about it, and strong opinions.
The show in general was superb, although i did think there were a few missteps along the way, towards the later seasons there was some writing that could've been better. there were a lot of situations that felt too on the nose, or situations that seemed too contrived. But in the end the characters and their portrayals by the actors are what shined the most. After going through the whole series with them, you feel like you know them and like you're part of the situations they find themselves stuck in.
Much like Mad Men, the show revolves around the deep seeded issues of a man, and the people that orbit around him. That depend on him, that leech of him, and those that empower him. Just like Mad men there was times where the action seemed to stagnate somewhat, but the results in the end were always different, we always got something new from the same old missteps. Every retread was just another chip of the faced that concealed the real Tony, or the real Don.
>>>70278067
furio was not in the back.
>>70284873
Chrissy had smarts. I won't argue the insecurities, but Chrissy had the smarts. Don't you ever compare him to Paulie!
>>70284521
Old fashioned religions mommas boy(until he hates her), who was funny enough to not seem threatening.
also what >>70284825 said.
Altho lets be honest, Sil was the most based of Tonys friends.
>>70284962
Watch it Chrissy
>>70284961
Which was better at portraying the human man's struggles? I believe mad men focused on the concept more so than the Sopranos.
>>70277787
It was a massive cop out. Worse finale, second only to the Dexter ending.
>>70284521
Word to the wise
Remembah Pearl Harba
>>70285079
This
>>70285182
You obviously didn't understand it, you mindless faggot. Get off /tv
>>70285285
The ladies love a good chink hating Italian American with silver wings
>mfw there are plebs who think Ralphie killed Pie-O-My
How would you ended the show?
>>70285783
Um...he did.
>>70285837
No he didn't-
Tony made up his mind and accused Ralphie.
>>70285879
Ok, who then?
>>70285879
He denied it and then said "So what if I did"? (not to mention his constant griping about the horse's bills)
Get a grip son.
>>70284852
This kek
I rented the first season and th first disc zig the second, I'm a little das appointed by where its going, but GEEWHIZ what a good first season this show has. I was hoping it was gonna be a little like weeds where the kids get involved in the buisness but whatever
>>70285163
Yes, mad men delved into it deeper, i mean he litterally took someone elses identity as a way to be someone new. The advertising served as a way to explain the concept of manipulating peoples thoughts and desires to the point that they do and want things unwittingly, or do they?
Is Don this tragically broken man, or does he just keep making bad choices when he has every chance to be good. I mean the pilot touched on it very openly with the whole "change the conversation thing" , his discussions with rachel menken about how people like him invented the concept of love to sell nylons. The psychology report that tells him about the "death drive" when selling cigarettes. It's all about human kinds faults and follies, dressed up in classy attire at a point in time where all social norms were about to challenged.
Tony's issue was more or less about hiding who he really was from his friends and "family" in both senses of that word. which i think is in part why he hated AJ's whiny depressed phase. He saw himself in AJ and wanted so badly to get rid of it, because he knew that AJ would grow up to be a mess just like him. It was about identity. Who you are, and where you belong. Carmela was a house wife who wanted to be her own woman. Meadow was a rebellious rich mobsters daugther who went on to want to become a lawyer for immigrants and those less fortunate. AJ a weak emotially fragile kid who wanted to be tough like the men he'd grown up idolizing. All italian americans fed up with the depiction of their culture in popular media, while literally contributing to every single stereotype about them by being part of the mafia.
people say this is > the wire why? On s2
>>70286338
>I was hoping it was gonna be a little like weeds where the kids get involved in the buisness but whatever
dude, that made weeds so much worse. I'm glad they didn't go that route. It would not at all have fit the whole point of the show. And it completely subverted that cliche by not making AJ follow in his fathers footsteps into the mob. But since you didn't watch the whole thing, i can see why that would seem appealing to you after only 2 seasons. Weeds jumped the shark so fast it's ridiculous, which is sad because the first season was pretty aight, and the concept itself had so much potential.
Shit
>>70286695
Wait til you get to season 6 and then make you're mind up faggot
>>70286695
I can't talk with full knowledge as im only halfway thru s3 of the wire, but i think they're pretty different shows desu, and i think the main reason why they are talked about in tandem so often is because they both aired at the same time, both on HBO, and both were critically acclaimed dramas. But when it comes to what they're about they're so different.
Sopranos is about one man, and everything that surrounds him as a father to a family, both his actual family, and his mob family.
the wire is less about mcnulty(again so far into s3) and more about a city. A diseased city where crime and corruption is rampant, and there is an eternal tug of war between good and evil. Mcnulty isn't nearly as important to the story as Tony is to the sopranos.
Both amazing shows with great writing 90% of the time. Both doomed to be compared to one another for the rest of time.
>>70284866
When are you going to stop going in circles? You keep trying to make it seem like Christopher dindu muffin and I've showed you point by point how Tony gave him every chance in the world not to fuck up, and all he does is fuck up. That is not boss material there. Chrissy should have been whacked long before he eventually was. He got support, he got everything he needed. He was a habitual fuck up.
>>70278067
>Furio sitting in the back of the diner,
You wut m8?
>tfw I spent literally an entire year doing nothing but watching Soparos clips on youtube.
>>70283333
QUADS!
>>70286338
Get the fuck out.
>>70280036
Oh yea?
take that old man
>>70285783
He did!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmWgskZFkh4
stupida facking gaem
>>70285816
The restaurant blows up
>>70285926
Christopher. He wanted Tony's love.
>>70286058
Nothing more than suspicious. Not worth killing a top earner.
>>70286338
The fuck you on about?
>>70286663
Great analysis on both shows, but could you further explain the reasoning why you think AJ wanted to be like his father and his father's friends? Because i didn't really get that from the show. Also do you think Mad Men could of better explored the concept of man if they included Don's son more?
>>70286695
Just finish the show
>>70286909
But it's so boring
>>70286936
I know you haven't finished it, but do you think you could give me a preference?
>>70283125
>He also realized that on some level Johnny Boy let Dickie get hit because, as a junkie, he was extremely unreliable.
Wait seriously? I never came to that conclusion before, any particular reason why you think that?
>>70286773
Is weeds even worth watching?
>>70286813
Retard
>>70288902
Tony fucked up all the time as a kid. All those stories especially the poker game shit.
>>70289055
The nigga off his chair
>>70289108
Why
>>70289432
Favorite character
>>70290681
It seems like a strong possibility for me. I may have read something about it on the Chase Lounge message board. There was a poster there who always posted quality stuff.
>Dickie wasn't exactly a made guy
>was a hothead like Chrissy
>Chrissy confirms his dad was an alchie and a junkie just like him
>Junior talks about how old guys like the DiMaggio crew hated drug dealers and killed their boss for forbidding them to deal while he dealt on the side and reaped all the profits
>Junior tells Tony that when a dog you love is sick, you put it down
While Dickie wasn't made, Tony makes it clear that he was somewhat connected with the Soprano crew and possibly a bit of a freelancer as well. Tony also mentions that Dickie stirred up a beef in jail and took some guys eye out. It's possible that Johnny Boy and Junior wouldn't want there to be any bad blood on the outside because of it and either OK'd his death or didn't do anything to stop it. They might have wanted to distance themselves from someone who was a loose cannon and a junkie. They might have even justified it to themselves by rationalizing that it would be for the best for Dickie's wife and kid if they didn't have to deal with someone who was an unstable junkie.
Now, I easily could be reaching here, very very easily. But I like to think its plausible. Tony would have never even thought of it because in his eyes Dickie was a cool guy, your cool older brother or an older cousin.
>>70290090
You wouldn't fuck the boss' wife?
>>70290801
Yeah but that wasn't really a fuck up and no one got killed or shot at, let alone any made men and the right people got some of their money back. So that isn't exactly a fuck up is it? It got him on the fast track to earning his wings, being the best earner in the Family and the youngest captain.
And Tony isn't a drunk strung out liability who was constantly flirting with the idea of running off for a better life and ratting on his friends.
>>70290962
That's a stretch.
>>70291030
Tony didn't know about half that stuff. Chrissy was very good at presented himself as a loyal member.
>>70290962
>Chase Lounge message board
My nigga, probably the best place to read about the sopranos online.
Very solid theory, i'm re-watching the sopranos now and you are right, Junior makes it pretty clear he is not a fan of drug users. So its not that much of stretch to assume that had him wacked over it. However I don't remember them ever saying Dickie wasn't made, i might have just forgotten though.
>>70289055
It wasn't Furio. There were many people in the diner, many of them representing people from Tony's past and affected his life.
Most notably was the young couple representing Christopher and Adrianna and the Members Only Jacket Guy who was Eugene (The guy in Tony's crew who wanted to retire to Florida and killed himself after his killed fell back in with heroin). If you remember, Eugene was heavily covered in the Episode "Members Only" and wore Members Only jackets.
The person coming through the door and that Tony looks up at is Meadow. Finally, all of his family is there with him and that's all he wants before he is later arrested. That's why the story and song cut off, because it's the end of what really matters.
Furthermore, an off-screen killing has never been done on the show and goes against the theme of breaking the romanticized image of the Italian mobster and mobhit and showing the dirty, gritty, truth to it. Reflecting Tony's favorite fictional scene of mob glory would not be consistent with that.
>>70291074
Yeah thanks captain obvious, I pointed it out twice. While it might be a stretch for some shows, I honestly don't think its that much of a stretch, really now, for the Sopranos. But then again it's probably something not very many people have ever really put thought in. But if fucking Chrissy knew about his father being a junkie fuck, then lots of other people did too, probably Johnny Boy and Junior.
>>70291155
Tony didn't know about half of what stuff? All the shit Chrissy did? He knew every move Chrissy made. Tony was rightfully always suspicious about where Chrissy head was really at. Tony hands Christopher the keys to the future of the family and he becomes a full blown drug addict?
>>70291175
I think the posters name was "FlyOnMelfisWall" and they always made pretty elaborate, detailed and extremely well sourced and thought out posts. All sorts of in depth analysis of dreams, interpretations, that sort of shit.
And not to mention that using drugs was a much bigger stigma back in the glory days of Johnny Boy and Junior. They were cool with selling the shit to the moolinyan, being animals, but they wouldn't tolerate it if someone they even associated with was on the junk. I can't quite remember where I heard that Dickie wasn't made, might have been a scene from season 4 episode 1 when Tony sends Christopher to kill that ex-cop. All though maybe I'm wrong and just misremembered it and that wasn't the case at all. And if he was made I think that would actually present a stronger case for Johnny Boy letting him get clipped.
>>70291362
Fuck Eugene... that was a very depressing episode
>>70290962
also, this is the kind of shit you think about when you've seen the Sopranos in its entirety 25+ times
>>70291879
The Sopranos can be watched an endless amount of times
>>70291668
FlyonMelfiswall was one of my favorite posters on the board during its hayday. Have you ever read "Tonys Vicarious Patricide"? Its the best theory by far i have ever read about the Sopranos. I really do miss that board, it use to be so good when the sopranos was actually still on air.
>>70289432
>>70293018
Yes and now that I think about it that's the article that led me to start considering the Johnny Boy had Dickie whacked theory. Because the whole "son is the father is the son" thing with Johnny Boy, Tony, Dickie, and Chrissy, I started thinking about if Johnny Boy and Dickie had a similar relationship as Tony and Chrissy, where Johnny Boy tried to mentor him, and he didn't say anything to Tony about him being a junkie fuck because Tony already had the image of Dickie built up as a cool older bro.
>>70289108
>mfw I finished Sopranos again for the 2nd time and all I want to do is rewatch it all over again
Something is wrong with me
>>70286058
Well the reason why he even said that was to prove a point in the argument. Ralphie couldnt even fucking believe that he can get accused of such dumb shit while his son was in the hospital and he was in crisis mode. He just yelled "SO WHAT IF I DID?" just to see what Tony would really do if he confessed to a crime he did not commit. It ended up costing his life.
>>70290508
>, but could you further explain the reasoning why you think AJ wanted to be like his father and his father's friends?
The whole arc of the season where junior shoots tony is about AJ wanting to take revenge and wanting to kill junior when he perceirves everyone else to be cowards, and letting his family down. He shows up and when the moment comes he can't do it, drops the gun and gets caught. Tony picks him up and they have a big discussion where for the first itme really AJ opens up to his father. AJ is emotionally weak, he's a young kid growing up in a generation where males are no longer as Tony says "the strong silent types" AJ is loud and whiny. He's out of shape like his father, but it's not a manly characteristic he's constantly seen obsessing over his weight. He tries to rebel like most teens but how exactly do you rebel against a father who literally kills people? and what do you do when that realization finally dawns on you from watching the news? He's crippled by expectations from everyone. His father and his fathers father were strong men, men who took charge and he never could do that, and that only further made him impotent. To the point he wants to kill himself, and even that he quits, and who's there to save him again? His father. It's a tragic irony, he wants to be a man, but he's always being saves by his father. Tony is a man in his son's eyes, but he never had a childhood. Ever since he saw the scene that made him into a panic attack prone, anger issue having paradox he lost the same thing AJ had been holding onto.
>>70293126
could you post a link to the article?
>>70281758
stick to capeshit
>>70294471
http://thechaselounge.net/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=2503
>>70293662
Your only problem is you'll never find something that good to watch again.
>>70294505
Thanks anon
>>70294471
here's what really got me thinking
>Tony: I know a crutch when I see it.
>Chris: So my dad? You obviously musta knew he had a crutch.
>Tony: What the fuck are you talkin’ about?
>Chris: Com’e on, Tone, huh? Between the coke, the vodka, whatever the fuck else he was squirtin’ up his arm. Let’s be honest about the great Dickie Moltisanti, my dad, your hero. He wasn’t much more than a fuckin’ junky.
>Tony is speechless. He doesn’t know what to think or say in the face of a son calmly debunking a lifetime of false paternal myth and hero worship and replacing it with naked, unvarnished, and unflattering truth. He is undoubtedly also disturbed to see the pedestal he built under another of his own father figures crash to the ground so suddenly and emphatically.
>>70294471
>>70294620
There's a really good post at the end of that thread, about how Tony didn't kill Ralph over Pie-oh-my, or Tracee, but because the concept that Ralph could change while Tony couldn't, terrifies him, he can't even consider it.
Much like the whole "I wonder where Harpo eats his Sunday dinner?" scene was about Tony being unable to accept that just maybe Janice actually had changed, or whether she actually did or not, whatever she was doing appeared to be working and her life appeared to be improving, while he was still a miserable piece of shit living in his mothers old house like an exile on main street.
>>70290508
>>70294288
cont.
In a way the whole show is tragic because it seems like things are getting better carmela is becoming independent, meadow is going to med school, AJ is finally getting over material possessions and becoming more wordly, Tony was seemingly just like (phil leotardo after his heart attack) learning to appreciate family and the everyday things. But in the end, no. Carmela realizes she's a house wife, Meadow gives up on wanting to be different than her family and marries a man also related to a mafia member, AJ gets a cushy job doing nothing, gets a nice car as a gift and forgets all about everything he perceived to be wrong with the world. And tony, he's as entrenched as ever in the mindless violence of the mafia.
As for Mad Men. Idk bobby was never a huge part since he was too young. Just like Gene. I mean it's very indicative by the fact that they had a different actor for the boy throughout the run. I think all the father -son growth was instead related to the daughter sally. Don's most important relationships have been with women. They are the only people who he seems to build real connections with. either as lovers, or mother surrogates, or as his own pupils like peggy. It's why he's so drawn to california, because Anna is in california, and she's like a mother he never had. It's why he's so hard on peggy, because she's so naive and innocent and he knows the world isnt. He's just trying to get her ready. It's why he tells Sally not to be cynical about the moon landing when he hears her repeating something she heard a boy say. It's why he wanted Joan not to whore herself out for the company. Don was just one man, but all life is and can be, can be extrapolated form the life of just one man. Through him we can see every possible reaction and action. A man slowly killing himself, later desperately dying to live.
>>70290508
>>70294288
>>70294801
Cont.
A man who lied about who he was, but never compromised his beliefs. a man who tried to buy his way out of pain by bribing his brother to leave him alone, while working in and industry selling false hopes and aspirations to millions. Don's interactions with everyone around him are like a rosetta stone to understanding many things about life. A guide to understanding the shallow vanity of Joan as a tool to succeed, and understanding Pete's impotent entitlement and utter fall from grace, which ultimately leads to the thing he's always wanted, Happiness with his family. Betty's brattiness, and coldness with her children, and how it melts aways as she makes her wishes for her funeral known as she talks to sally about it candidly. Roger and his philandering ways, destroying many young womens lives, but unknowingly also destroying his own as he drives away his children and the woman he really loved, Joan. in a sense it's arguable that Don and Peggy(and ted) have reached a state of satisfaction. Don makes the ad of a lifetime, peggy finds love, Ted is happy being a faceless cog in a large machine, but is it satisfaction? Is it happiness? Don said, what is happiness? It's a moment before you need more happiness. Don's never been happy. Has he finally changed now? We'll never really know, and that's the question we must aske ourselves, and our belief in the goodness of people and maleability of their souls is what gives us the answer. And everyone will have different answers. Just like the sopranos finale. Which is why i think both are great.
>>70290707
Maybe first 2 seasons are watchable, but it quickly falls off the rails and just becomes schlock. Which i guess some people might enjoy. It definitely did not live up to the potential of the concept. seemed as if the writers had a short arc planned, and when it kept getting renewed they just winged it, and it was shit.
>>70290650
sopranos. might change when i'm done with the wire tho
>>70294651
>>70294794
It's all really interesting and insightful. I'm reading though it now.
Was Tony really gonna kill Paulie on the boat because he thought that he blabbed about Jenny Sack's fat ass?
>>70295845
Among many other things. Yes.
>>70295845
Not entirely, rewatch the episode. Tony's main motive was that "Paulie was never put to the test" of loyalty really. He got by the 70s by the skin of his nuts (fact) and got through the 80s and 90s knockin heads and living the easy life (my theory). He was a high earner and a good soldier that served under Johnny boy, Jackie, and Tony and had a natural talent of staying out of jail. The only thing that bugged tony was how he ran his fucking mouth all the time. I also really think Tony had a hunch that Paulie was asskissing Johnny Sack for a good while. And now that Paulie wasn't as good of an earner as he was back in the day, Tony had to re-evaluate Paulie to see if he is really with him.
>>70295845
I don't 100% remember the particulars, but i don't think so. I think Tony was suspicious, but he was also sentimental, the dinner with the prostututes and the wheelchair dude reminded him of how much he admired paulie when he was growing up. and how he thought he was so cool, and now he was giving him trouble, and he was doubting him, but he decided to put his doubt aside, instead choosing to believe that although paulie was a loud mouth who sometimes started unnecessary trouble, he was loyal, and that was something tony needed in people. Not everyone else around him had been loyal, so loyalty was something in deep demand for tony.
i think the tension came from paulie feeling guilty about telling Johnny about the fat wife joke. That's what made him feel so sure he was gonna die. He felt guilty for having betrayed tony's trust, and wanting to go against him in a moment of anger. Also the fact that Pussy had been killed on a boat, further made him believe his fate was gonna be the same.Good tension to the episode, but ultimately that was all it was. Tony was just doubtful about paulies intentions, but in the end remembered that the loyalty had been there long before tony was.
>>70277787
sukked, not enough dragons
>>70281001
Imagine how many filthy casuals were complaining about it at the office the next day. Chase is a genius
>>70280960
the Sopranos
>>70283408
>madone
try again
