So Atlas Shrugged was a failure as a movie (and despite being judged as a failure by the free market, they made 2 more that were even bigger failures). Could it work as a TV mini-series? It's one of the highest-selling books in America, there's an audience for it.
>>70226147
have the wachowskis made anything worthwhile since they chopped their dicks off?
>>70226762
Are the Wachowskis objectivists? Is anyone in Hollywood an objectivist?
>>70226147
>It's one of the highest-selling books in America
it's a shit book anyways
>>70227023
Zach Snyder is.
>>70226147
is John Oliver a meme?
>>70227245
???
>>70226147
One of the mistakes the movies made was setting it in the present day. Especially since they had to come up with bullcrap excuses for how the world could be like in the novel, like why trains are still important.
It should have a retro esthetic that looks like the 50s or 60s, but not set in any particular year. It's a fictional universe that portrays a society way too different from the modern world, it's a dystopia envisioned in the 50s.
>>70227245
Yes, but what does that have to do with anything?
>>70227023
Brad Bird?
anyway they didn't need to a shot for shot filming of the terrible book.
Strip it down to the most basic plot and keep the pro-objectivist themes intact.
Why the hell would you NOT film an Ayn Rand book in Black and White? Its the most obvious way to film a objectivist movie
>>70227948
>Strip it down to the most basic plot and keep the pro-objectivist themes intact.
I'm not sure whoever has the rights to the book would allow that, Randians are very devoted.
>>70226147
if i have a magic something i could rule the world! well call it the patriarchy!
>>70226147
>>70227108
How many of the people that have bought the book have actually read it?
I tried reading it and just couldn't get through it. The characters are just too unlikeable, the plot was stupid and the prose boring.
>>70230684
Heard it on an audiobook. it's solid.
>>70230684
I read Atlas at least one every year (usually around new year's) I'm not an objectivist I just enjoy the story and the way it's written, art is subjective people like different things. I could never see the book translating onto the screen it's too philosophical it would need constant voice-overs to explain why people feel the way they do and most of the important speechs go on so long it would look stupid with everyone just standing around listing.
>>70227023
Steve Ditko, the comic book artist is a very committed objectivist and apparently Zach Snader is influenced a lot by it, with explains why BVS sucked ass, superhero's are selfless
>>70227718
I agree with you about the modern setting, the book never really gives a date it's more of a 50's 60's asethic
>>70226147
>Atlas Shrugged movie
A failure
>Ayn Rand
A failure
>This thread
A failure
Atlas Shrugged is a shit book that doesn't need an adaptation. Half of it is just uninterrupted speeches going on for endless pages, why in the fuck would someone want to watch that?
Watch 2081 instead; it's probably more immediately relevant, and only about half an hour long.
It's a short film adaptation of Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron.
Mein Kampf is one of the biggest selling books in America. Stick it on Netflix.
Non american here. What is that book?
What's the story or message and why is there such a hype or controversy about it?
How can people like Atlas Shrugged is beyond me.
From a literary perspective, it's a huge piece of shit.
>>70231849
Read up
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged
Some rich assholes decide to go on strike because they're tired of "looters and moochers" living off of their success. They then engineer the collapse of civilization instead of trying to actually fix it, then go off to live in their little utopia where only people like them live.
The book promotes objectivism. It calls for the eradication of the government and extolls selfishness as the greatest virtue. Self-sacrifice and helping others for no reward is vilified.
Anyone that disagrees with this philosophy is evil, stupid or both, while the good guys are all flawless Mary Sues.
>>70231849
Communists hate it because it reminds them they're worthless. Others hate it on literary merit. Some pretend to hate it on literary merit but actually hate it because it reminds them they're worthless.
>>70232103
So it's an ego trip for rich people?
And it approves of those that destroy nature, exploit 3rd world countries, caused the recent financial crisis, etc. for personal gain?
>>70232747
Pretty much. Anything bad in society is actually all the looters and the government's fault, and if they'd only get out of the way everything would be better.
>>70232572
You don't have to be a commie to hate it. No society on Earth has embraced objectivism because it's so repulsive and inefficient.
If you're going to adapt Atlas Shrugged:
1. Don't. Seriously, don't. People today grew up through an economic collapse and subsequent bailout by taxpayers of bankers and corporate executives. There's constant, widespread anger against the super rich that is causing a resurgence of populist political candidates. No one is going to buy that the 'captains of industry' are oppressed by evil labor unions.
2. Do animation. Characters in Atlas Shrugged are described as the human ideal and would be easier to portray in animation than live action. Make it a timeless art deco world.
>>70233483
>Do animation
There isn't really much of a market for animated movies for adults. Though I agree, that would be the best way to do it.
DUDE JUST BE AN ASSHOLE TO EVERYONE LMAO
>>70232955
I was being facetious, friend. I was bored reading Atlas Shrugged, though I agree with some objectivist ideas.
>>70233483
"""Dieselpunk""" would be ideal, given the setting of the book and as you mentioned, the characters. An animated adaptation might actually make the story more interesting.
>>70232955
to the exent the free market has been allowed is the extent people have prospered. People are naturally self focused the free market takes that natural instinct and harness it through making successful those providing a service or product. It's not perfect but it's the best system we have found.
>>70234086
You're conflating the free market with objectivism, they're not necessarily the same thing.
The most baffling thing to me is that someone as anti-government intervention as Ayn Rand was so gun-ho about patents, which modern libertarians loathe.
>It's one of the highest-selling books in America, there's an audience for it.
No there isn't. Atlas Shrugged is one of those books that every angsty teenager who feels that their genius is not appreciated (and for some strange reason, conservatives) buy and claim to have read, but they never did.
Those few who bothered to open it, never finished. Anyone who tells you they have read it is a liar.
>>70234177
Free markets are a huge part of objectivism, basically it takes free market principals and trys to create a morality out of them, I'm not saying it's a perfect theory but I do think people who haven't taken the time to learn about it are too quick to call it all bullshit.
>>70234242
Yeah, your statement seems more accurate
>>70234242
>for some strange reason, conservatives
Because it says a lot of things they like to hear: selfishness is good, rich people are awesome, a man's worth is determined by how succesful he is, taxes are bad, liberals are dumb losers, the poor are only poor because they're lazy, everything bad is big government's fault etc.
All the other stuff in the book that contradicts their usual stances such as the atheism, promiscuity, adultery, hatred of lobbyists, vilification of farm subsidies, cops and military etc. is ignored.
There aren't very many succesful books that conservatives can brag about, so they latch on to what they can.
>>70234607
nice strawman
>>70234810
OK then, why do you think conservatives like Atlas Shrugged?
And why did none of them go and see the movie?
>>70234900
nice complex question
>>70226147
If Martin Scorsese directed the movie it'd work.
>>70235057
better off getting zack snyder, he'll be available soon
>>70226147
>infantile system of metaphysics, epistemology and an irrational system of ethics
lmao, of course free shrugs failed as a film
>>70234900
Rand was writing at the time of the cold war and had witnessed first hand the horrors of communism. She moved to America and became a best selling author writing in a language that wasn't her first. She spoke about individualism and self-esteem when American intellectuals were wanking over how much better the USSR was in comparison to the Racist American system. That appeals to a lot of people mostly conservatives because liberals are more concerned at talking about how everyone is an asshole, homophobic racist. Rand paints an heroic vision of humanity, even if you don't agree with her she's someone to admire.
>And why did none of them go and see the movie?
Because it looked like shit and anyone who has read it has already received her message through the best medium possible. Why watch a shitty film when the book is already on your shelf.
>>70235291
>Rand paints an heroic vision of humanity
No she doesn't. Rand tore down the concept of heroism. She said that men should only live for themselves and nobody should ever risk their life for another or give charity expecting nothing in return (in the Gulch it the word "give" was actually banned). Ayn Rand didn't believe in heroes, she belived in men of ability being awesome and didn't have to answer to or help anyone.
>>70235291
>witnessed first hand the horrors of communism
She was the daughter of a rich family and was offered education in the USSR, but she denied it all to go live in America because "i'm rich i'm better than everyone"
>>70226147
First problem is they shouldn't have set it in modern day, and should have made it a period piece.
And if they WERE going to set it in current day, they should have re-wrote the dialogue to not be so stilted.
Next up, Atlas Shrugged is "meh". They should make another Fountainhead or "We the Living" as a film/series.
>>70235633
Yeah, I mean, all the bourgeois were pretty well-heeled after the october revolution. What could she possibly have had to complain about?
>>70235472
I don't mean heroic as in superhero, don't confuse being a hero as being selfless (that's not what Rand believed to be heroic) I mean the idea of a single man and his mind shaping the world to his need.
>Only live for themselves
Not really she meant living on his own terms no one else. If you want to live your life helping charities and living to improve the lives of others your free to do that, but forcing others to do that and calling that moral is, in her word's evil. I'm hardly going to convince you about her ideas on 4chan but I'd recommend reading 'The Virtue of selfishness' if you want a better understanding of what she actually said and meant, don't let the title turn you off it's a small book and if you still don't agree fine, but at least you'll understand where she was coming from other than just misrepresenting her.
>>70235633
She was middle class, hardly rich and if your trying to say that the USSR stole her father's business but it's OK because they offered to educate her through propaganda schools than that's messed up
>>70236009
I'd actually watch a fountainhead re-make
>>70234607
>selfishness is good,
Siphoning wealth off the masses is seriously selfish.
>rich people are awesome
Most 'rich' people are. The super rich are not.
>a man's worth is determined by how succesful he is
It is. You could be a fat blob covered in boils or a handsome but dressed like a tramp Clooney. But if the blob has a really expensive car, the woman is going to pick him. A mans worth will always be judged by his successes no matter what society you live in.
>taxes are bad
They usually are. Siphoning off wealth or crony corporates and quasi-Marxist spending is an awful way to spend peoples money which you took using force.
>liberals are dumb losers
Horrifically misguided, unable to defend their position and hypocritical.
>the poor are only poor because they're lazy
The poor are usually kept down by lack of social and economic freedom. Or they are niggers.
>everything bad is big government's fault etc.
They hold the power, whose fault is it if not the state which dictates the economy?
>>70235633
No it means the USA was better than shithole USSR. Because Communism is shit. Crony socialism is shit. Your Marxist ideals are shit.
>>70235633
To me the worst part is that she only managed to get into America and receive an education and job thanks to some relatives, whom she never thanked or payed back. Later in life she would then have the gal to claim that "nobody helped her"
>>70237782
Sounds like a selfish person.
>>70236832
>Or they are niggers.
You do realize that casual racism makes it hard to take you seriously.
That's another problem with Ayn Rand, she was pretty racist against Native Americans and any other races she considered "savage" or "uncivilized"
>>70232747
and preadolescents or those who still think like teenagers
>>70238180
Native Americans didn't have a government before colonization, seems pretty Objectivistic.
>>70231063
>superhero's are selfless
>batman willing to die in order to get rid of superman
>superman sacrifices himself in BvS
BvS had a lot of problems. Superheroes not being selfless was not one of them.
>>70236832
>state dictates economy
>>70238480
>what is a command economy
>>70238377
Not according to Rand. She thought that the Natives had no right to their Land because they were savages that didn't exploit it by building cities and bending nature to their will. Therefore, according to her Europeans were morally justified in taking their land since they weren't doing anything with it.
>>70238480
To be fair from the point of view of libertarians everything that is not libertarianism is marxism-communism.
>>70238180
>You do realize that casual racism makes it hard to take you seriously.
It's also the truth.
>That's another problem with Ayn Rand, she was pretty racist against Native Americans and any other races she considered "savage" or "uncivilized"
Nothing wrong with racism. Be offended, I don't care. Times are a changin'.
>>70238634
That seems ignorant as some native american tribes did build cities; they were just terrible at it. It might not have been well known at the time.
>>70238634
All civilizations conquered. All peoples have conquered. And for some reason, evil whitey gets the guilt trip for doing the same thing everyone else did. Natives conquered each other, even while being conquered.
>>70239121
One city, it was around 20k in pop in the 1300s. It fell apart, likely due to disease due to no sewage systems. Weakened society was then raided and butchered by other native tribes.
Native conquest is OK, but not when Whitey does it.
>>70239074
>Nothing wrong with racism. Be offended, I don't care. Times are a changin'.
Times have been changin' for decades, and the change has been making racists like you more and more irrelevant. Why are you quoting Bob Dylan of all people? He'd hate your guts.
>>70239279
You're missing the point. Ayn Rand was saying that the conquest and near genocide of Native Americans was morally justified even though she was usually very much against conquest and the use of military force by anyone.
>>70239377
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. What you have seen over the past 70 years will be undone very quickly and very suddenly.
>>70239508
She's an old Jew who supported Israel, what do you expect?
>>70239279
Cahokia was the largest of them discovered, but there were many smaller settlements numbering in the thousands.
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/na-ancientcities.html
It's interesting that many of the precolombian settlements across north america seem to have failed at about the same time.
>>70239637
>What you have seen over the past 70 years will be undone very quickly and very suddenly.
How? In a few decades white people will no longer be the majority in America, /pol/ has been lamenting it for years. What are you gonna do? Kick out everyone that isn't white? Nothing you can do is going to make white supremacy OK again.
>>70226147
The problem is that the book isn't popular because it's good. It's popular purely on ideological ground. It's only good if you're an edgy teen goth or a manchild who thinks Rorschach was the hero of Watchmen. It's a shit book that can only make a shit movie.
>>70231716
Mel Gibson playing lead.
>>70231849
It's like Scientology without aliens,
>>70226147
>Could it work as a TV mini-series?
Yes. Probably the only way it would work. And as I recall, the films were only made by the dude that played Galt so he could keep the film rights. It is an Objectivist 90s Fantastic Four situation.
(reCAPTCHA: eat shit, I selected all the right ones the first fucking time, tardbot)
>>70227498
>>70227718
On the most recent "What the fuck is the title of the show With John Oliver", he bitched and moaned about how Ayn Rand is still a thing.
>>70234377
Free market isn't the same as full laissez-faire capitalism.
>>70235291
>she's someone to admire.
I'm not gonna admire someone who admired serial killers.
>>70226147
The problem was it was rated R so its target audience couldn't even get into the movie.
>>70235472
And this is why Zack Snyder is incapable of making a super-hero movie.
>>70236092
>If you want to live your life helping charities and living to improve the lives of others your free to do that
Free but discouraged.
>>70240556
Who do you admire anon?
>>70236137
You're the only one, Zack.
>>70239816
>implying the dollar isn't going to fail long before then
>implying Europe isn't getting close to a civil war
Trump is only the start. Reconquista is real and resource scarcity is going to flick a switch you didn't know you had.
>>70240695
Not discouraged just not seen as something you MUST do.
>>70237782
The typical self-made 'man'.
>>70233483
>>70226147
>Three movies
>Three different casts playing the same characters
Is there a movie trilogy more of a failure then this?
>>70240770
It is discouraged. Hank Rearden was disgusted that his brother was using the money he gave him not for himself, but was giving it to charity.
>>70240600
Kek
>>70240901
He was disgusted that his brother didn't use his own money.
>>70239121
She was an ignorant selfish chain-smoking hypocritical cunt. She claimed she was justified cucking her husband because she had a right to be selfish. When her boytoy cucked her with a younger girl she went into ultimate thundercunt mode and threw him out of her cult.
>>70232103
I don't think she had really codified Objectivism when she wrote it, that came later when she was taking young Jew cock from Alan Greenspan.
>>70241010
What best selling books have you written anon?
>>70240394
It is a good question.
>>70240966
Nope, that's not why
>“You don’t really care about helping the underprivileged, do you?” Philip asked – and Rearden heard, unable to believe it, that the tone of his voice was reproachful.
>“No, Phil, I don’t care about it at all. I only wanted you to be happy.”
>“But that money is not for me. I am not collecting it for any personal motive. I have no selfish interest in the matter whatever.”
>…Rearden turned away. He felt a sudden loathing: not because the words were hypocrisy, but because they were true; Philip meant them.
>>70241072
What kind of argument is that? By that logic you can't ever criticize anyone in any position of power because you've never held any high office yourself.
>>70240770
Do you even know who we're talking about or you mistook this for a BvS thread?
Ironically rich Objectivists spend huge sums of money endowing Objectivist foundations, philosophy department posts, and promoting libertarianism. How is that in their rational self-interest? The world isn't going to convert to their religion/philosophy... ever.
>>70241072
You sure showed me.
>>70241072
>Writing a book is carte blanche to be a hypocritical cunt
Y'wha'?
Ayn rand accepted medicare and social security when she had lung cancer and was essentially penniless
basically she's a self-absorbed hypocrite who wouldn't last five minutes in the society she purports to believe in
>>70240600
lel
>>70241258
I don't think Objectivist think they will someday turn the World to Objectivism. They see themselves as the future elites of the world. When civilization collapses, us dirty plebs will have to crawl to their feet. And then they'll tell us to fuck off and die.
That's their power fantasy anyway.
>>70241463
but-but isn't social security selfish? You're stealing from the rich because you weren't smart enough to not get sick.
>>70241667
Selfishness definitely seems to be the only part of objectivism that works in real life.
>>70241586
In reality, objectivists would be the first to die of starvation or get killed by marauders.
No way Galt's Gulch could have endured. Colorado is a terrible place for crops, there aren't enough of them to create a stable industry even with Galt's magical infinite energy machine, and there's no way a bunch of selfish objectivists could ever get along and not fight each other over everything.
>>70241586
>why are you taking all my resources
>why are you dragging me toward that pit of bodies
>whats with the gun
>muh muh selfish individualism
top kek objectivists
>>70241463
>not taking money from a system you were forced to pay into
Social security and medicare aren't simply reified by sheer will of the state; SS is a large percentage of people's income. I think in her objectivist philosohpy, it would be hypocrisy not to take it.
>>70241920
The problem is she spent most of her life insulting people who did take social security
>>70241076
What, how reality is still a thing?
>>70241920
This.
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/government_grants_and_scholarships.html
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/welfare_state.html
>>70241920
it does undermine her argument when she is a perfect example of the benefits of SS and medicare though
>>70241999
That's a fair point, but her criticisms were more directed at those who supported the creation of SS and defended the system itself, which is a small, but important, distinction.
>>70227948
Brad always claims he's not an objectivist but holy fuck do all his movies involve superheroes being forced to hide from society and has similar messages that you can get from Objectivism.
I think the only non-Objectivist movie he's made is, obviously, the mission impossible and Iron Giant. But even Iron Giant is kinda weird since you have that robot wear literally a superman logo and has to hide from the government. I don't think it's completely objectivist due to the way it ends, with the iron giant deciding to sacrifice himself. Though Rand said that if you value the life of someone else over your own, then it's fine to sacrifice your life.
>>70231849
It's too long to explain. Imagine if SJW controlled everything and people were pissed and just left. It just happens that most characters are CEO and rich people. But the book makes it a point that it's not the position that matters but the drive to become the best.
>>70241258
The true irony is that the marxist critique of the bourgeois rich is basically brought down to an individualistic level concerning Objectivist. They don't care about the suffering poor or others so long as they're fine.
>>70235633
>rich family
lol
Her father owned a pharmacy and she went to university. She went to America because she kept bitching and her family knew that if she kept her bitching attitude, the USSR would just kill her.
>>70241463
Rand signed papers to received medicare but never accepted the money.
>>70241667
Social security could be applied in Rand's perfect world, in the sense that everyone freely accepts to pay for it rather than be forced to do so.
>>70226147
Its just not an interesting story to see on film.
I'm not sure why they bothered trying to adapt it in the first place.
>>70230804
Pretty good read, senpai
>>70227023
I am. Ain't telling you dicknuts who I am though.
>>70244654
amber, pls
>>70242582
>Though Rand said that if you value the life of someone else over your own, then it's fine to sacrifice your life.
I always thought this was interesting.
>I would die for you, but never ask me to live for you
Roark and Wynand were total butt buddies,
>>70232747
>duuuurrr the free market caused the financial crisis
13 year old pls go back to Rebdit
>>70232955
Free market is great, objectivism sucks.
>>70234023
Not what the book is saying at all.
Enjoy your religion kiddo.
>>70235106
Stinker is just as bad as rand or marx
>>70245488
Give me some non-meme reasons.
>>70245538
>muh brain is a spook
>>70245621
So you're just a retard who doesn't know what he's talking about?
>anything by ayn rand
>not absolute dog shit
Why people consider a book full of:
>Mary Sue protagonists
>illogical plotlines (hurr durr but it's fiction, yeah, it's fiction based on real life so it can't go against fucking physics)
>characters that serve only to support the author's philosophical views
>an author that actively supported psychopaths and praised a literal killer of children
A form of good literature
