https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njiM6ubf2PQ
Why don't you pay for things /tv/? Why are you kids so entitled?
>paying for digital media
>>70155219
This doesn't surprise me one bit.
I love about 60-75% of Tim's comedy, but that's regardless.
He's made it clear he leans to the left but when it comes to stuff like this he's ardent right.
Weird, though, that he'd do basically a PSA through PBS News...I'm pretty sure he meant it but, even being someone who has occasionally torrented shit, he's right.
Content quality will generally go down the less people put into the type of content that is funded by big production houses or even small shit.
Doesn't surprise me that T&E fans would dislike it, although it has more likes than dislikes by about a third.
Tim Heidecker can suck my dick. I'm going to pirate and seed that shitty show he made just because of that.
>>70155219
>"people should pay for things"
>is a staunch liberal
so piracy is bad but welfare is good
ok tim
>>70155219
>Created by Steven Goldbloom
>>70155425
Meh. I don't have a problem paying for digital things. It's just that torrenting or streaming usually is just easier. I subscribe to several digital media distribution.
>>70155219
Hello friends, my name is Tim Heidecker. Also known as "One of the guys who killed Adult Swim".
>>70155625
You can't blame him for the shitty shows that tried to copy Awesome Show's formula. Besides, I thought Adult Swim died the day they started airing Family Guy and other shows that weren't their original content.
>Instead of making $2m I will only make $1.8m
>You need to change your behaviour, I don't need to change my expectations
Hey maybe if people had money in the first place we could pay for your shit.
He's an emblem of the liberal-hypocrite comedian. He's a weak, kitsch, toxic-spewing corporate shill, a minion of Cinco. He's everything he's ever satirized and held himself higher than. BOOM!
>>70155671
Family guy single-handedly brought Adult Swim to life alongside Aqua Teen Hunger Force and then later shows like Harvey Birdman and Tom Goes To The Mayor.
They would rerun every single Family Guy when I was in high school which was basically 2005-2009ish and I stopped watching a year after I graduated.
They are STILL rerunning that shit last time I turned on AS and now they are trying to do things more digitally but are finding out the hard way that their own platform will make marginally less than YT's with adsense and all that JAG.
>>70155671
>I thought Adult Swim died the day they started airing Family Guy and other shows that weren't their original content
They were doing that from the beginning though, with stuff like Home Movies and Oblongs. The shift to Seth Macfarlane/live action takeover was just when they realized they could get just as many (if not more) viewers with a fraction of the effort and money.
>>70155731
>>70155766
Ah my bad, I'm Canadian so I didn't grow up with Adult Swim. I didn't know they did that from the start, whenever I visited the US, I'd only watch ATHF, Sea Lab, Space Ghost and Brak.
>>70155219
Capitalism is a scam, and you're a fucking faggot for falling for it, dipshit. All of this is horseshit. We've done nothing with all of this god damn technology. We don't need it. But I'll keep using it for free as long as it exists, because I can figure out how to do that shit. Eat a dick bitchass nigga
>>70155866
>Sea Lab
Get a load of this pl-*COUGH* Patrician
>Subscribe
>Create a user name
>User name is taken
>Create another user name
>Create a password
>Password does not contain enough bullshit
>Create another password
>Give us your email
>Click verification email link so we can make sure things
>"Thanks for registering, now we just need $10 to start your free trial".
YEAH FUCK YOU
>Go to torrent
>Click it
>Downloads in minutes
>Watch it
i can never tell when this memer is being serious, he ALWAYS seems ironic
>>70156050
this, companies make it so fucking hard to do ANYTHING on the internet.
>>70156050
This is pretty much it in a nutshell.
Bandcamp.com has a lot of good "amateur" bands (read: 97% of them since most big labels died in the past ten years or were subsumed).
Those bands get a little money from me because it's only like a couple bucks here or there and I get what I pay for.
I don't have to compulsorily pay my monthly fee of ten bucks even if the content has dropped off. Most of these services want to stream new shit to you and most of it is just that - shit.
If they can just ride the wave and let people pay for the content they want like the music industry decided to do they would start pulling in more money.
But it is pretty much a scam they want to keep forcing upon people because they know they'll pay that other 7 bucks if they think their show is worth paying 3 bucks a month for.
End diatribe.
>>70155219
Tim who..
>>70155219
>puts out crap
>expects people to pay for said crap
I don't support your "carrier"
Goofing around in front of a camera has no inherent worth. The only reason people even watch his shit is because it's free. I'm a fan of Tim and Eric stuff but if they stopped existing it really wouldn't change my life at all.
>>70155529
I'm going to do the same, I'm not going to watch it though because it's shit
>>70156262
Eric is the one that did the editing, which means he's the one that actually did any work. Tim is a worthless cocksucker
>>70156313
Tim is the actually funny one though
I honestly try to buy as much content I can from Tim and Eric to support them. I bought their books, I bought whatever, you can think of, but the issue is they only have DVDs of their shows, no Blu-Rays. That's probably why everyone is stealing it- you can get it in higher quality just from torrents than you can from buying it.
Don't blame it on the consumer, Tim- do something about the product, update it instead of keeping it in a format from the early 2000s. I WANT to buy even more of your stuff but you just won't let me.
there was a tiny window of time in the 2000s where stoner comedy was profitable. that ship has sailed, tim
He has become one of the pathetic washed-up old actors from his skits.
>>70156349
>I WANT to buy even more of your stuff but you just won't let me.
>>70155425
>Content quality will generally go down the less people put into the type of content that is funded by big production houses or even small shit.
But your wrong. Big productions and art for the masses will make just a tad bit less money but diy and low budget projects will emerge bringing real art up with it.
Also
>we have to pay everybody wahhh
Do you think Tim dips into his pocket to pay the hairdresser cos someone torrented an episode?
Nope, everyone got paid, the actors especially. The one entity that might lose profit is the studio but keep in mind its probably owned by a multibillion company.
>>70156406
nah his Oscar special was glorious, don't even like T&E taht much either.
It's always funny how vigorously pirates will defend their right to take for free what they should pay for.
Imagine a thief on trial for stealing a DVD and they said "Well your honour, I wouldn't have watched the movie if I had to pay for it so I suppose I haven't actually done anything wrong."
>>70156348
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""funny""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>>70156313
Tim & Eric do not edit their shows. They have multiple editors, the most well known one being Doug Lussenhop AKA DJ Douggpound.
>>70156441
****************gives you a smooch******************go to bed eric
hahaha,
he's moving his lips but doesn't really what he says.... or does he?
hahahahah i love comedy.
>>70156435
Was the DVD replicated by someone else then given to me for free?
I literally turned 18 yesterday and as soon as the time on the clock matched the time I was born, I realized Tim and Eric were not the geniuses I thought they were during my teenage years. They're just stoner comedy guys who do the unconventional/awkward comedy pretty well. So many people list them as an influence because they thought "whoa people didn't do comedy like this before" despite the fact that Andy Kaufman is 30 times better than them.
Most overrated comedians of all time, and I own all three seasons of Brule, and all five seasons of Awesome Show.
>>70156522
What's that got to do with anything?
There's something that costs money and you obtained it illegally for free. That's the point here, don't get caught up in the semantics.
>>70156522
>replicated
Trek thread is down the hall
>muffled laughter followed by a "beam me up"
>>70156567
So I didnt steal anything? The thing I stole didnt take any effort to make except for the person who copied it?
>>70156567
I'm not him, but there's an important difference. You are not stealing something, because you're not taking a copy of a DVD that would otherwise be sold to someone else. You are just obtaining a copy for free, not at the expense of the owner of the original DVD. Maybe they miss out on some sales, but they aren't losing product.
It's a gray area where I'm personally undecided, but I just wanted to point out the difference.
>>70156446
http://usedwigs.com/interview-tim-heidecker-eric-wareheim/
>Tim: Eric slaves over the editing. He’s taught himself the ropes and it’s going to be really strange if we ever get the chance to work with a real editor.
Don't worry Tim, I only pirate ham.
>>70155425
Go to bed Tim
>>70156675
>>70156665
This is some retarded logic.
Are you saying if you steal a movie you are only actually stealing the $1.50 of production cost for that single dvd?
Absolutely not. A judge will make you pay for the full price of the dvd plus whatever else in punitive charges.
>>70157045
I didnt steal any DVD
Someone made a copy of a DVD and I downloaded that copy
Where is the theft? The DVD still exists
If you take a photo of a photo did you steal that first photo?
>>70157081
That's not the point.
The point is you are not paying for the materials of the physical product. If you were only paying for a physical product you would only be stealing $2 or whatever to produce that dvd.
Since the item you are stealing cost more than the physical product, it is implied you are stealing something more than just the physical product.
Try and make an argument where getting caught for stealing is cheaper than paying full price. A judge will always make you pay for more than just the physical cost, therefore the product you steal isn't just physical.
Hence, yes you are stealing. Not everything is physical.
And to your second question, yes it actually can be considered theft.
I don't suppose you thought that point out because yes filming a film on a camcorder is illegal.
>>70155671
One of the first things adult swim aired in the US was cowboy bebop.
>>70157220
You keep saying stealing
There's no theft, nothing has been taken
>>70157331
Answer the question than.
If you get caught stealing, should you only be forced to pay the $2 for the DVD case or should you be forced for the retail price?
If you can't come up with an answer than you admit to stealing a non-physical product.
>>70157331
If you're trying to make some belabored point about the contradictions of artificial scarcity, you should get your head out of your ass and realize that the point that it's in no way a novel concept.
And if you have a better, and feasible solution for funding creative work (or any media) in an age where replication cost is vanishing, there are plenty of people who would be interested. Otherwise, you're just acting like an autistic jerk.
>>70157419
im not answering some stupid shit
its not theft
>>70157531
You are a thief, plain and simple.
You are stealing entertainment. Most people in this thread can see you have no arguments.
I don't hate you for it. I do the same shit with anime because I don't care about the well being of weebshit like I do with western films but still, you are a thief.
>>70157419
Stealing is not the same as copying you dumbass.
If you get caught stealing a DVD you're going to be forced whatever price the store you stole it from has set.
You aren't stealing anything when you torrent, you're COPYING a file.
Theft = forced removal of the original object.
Torrenting = the original still exists and belongs to the distributor, you just have a copy of it
And honestly, the problem you're making is your attributing monetary value where it doesn't fucking exist. Distributors can walk around all day saying "hurrr muh bluray movie is worth $35" but at the end of the day if everyone is getting it for free anyway, it's clearly not worth that at all
fuck her right in the pussy
>>70157610
Hey autismo
If you take a photo of a photo did you steal the original photo?
>>70157660
Retard.
I want you to walk into a theater with a camera and tell the same line to the manager.
Go on. After all its not like the theater shows the original copy either. The theater is also a copy of a copy.
>>70157610
Welcome to the year 2016 aspie
No one is paying for your outdated media systems
Feel free to literally throw away your hard earned cash while everyone else enjoys entertainment and additional cash
Try not to start any threads in the future about how you wished your hand more money to pursuit hobbies and shit
>>70157698
>its not like the theater owns the original copy either
Yes but they do own a specific license to screen the film you fucking idiot
Hahahahahaha
If you take a photo of a photo did you steal the original photo?
>>70155219
>it's a I'm a bernie loving liberal socialist who thinks the government should pay for everything and the system is corrupt and racist, yet I staunchly defend the billion dollar media conglomerates who run one of the biggest rackets in the history of the world and who have single handedly set back the arts by corrupting the copyright system into a parody of what it was meant to do, also I'll do free propaganda videos for them episode
>>70155425
>He's made it clear he leans to the left but when it comes to stuff like this he's ardent right.
This line made me laugh so much
>>70155219
He's not wrong.
>tfw Sam Hyde is literally everything Tim wishes he was, and Sam did it all for free on Youtube with some friends
>>70157626
>you're COPYING a file
You're using computer terms like it matters in fucking law. It doesn't.
You are stealing the companies right to sell you a product.
Not to mention, a product almost never sells out.
If you steal a dvd it affects no one. The only cost is the $2-$3 for production and shared shipping cost. It is similar with torrenting.
So then, why are you paying extra for it?
Obviously there must be something more than just the physical dvd that is important.
>>70157721
YES IT IS YOU RETARD
http://bucks.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/21/when-its-illegal-to-photograph-artwork/?_r=0
>“if you take a picture, you are making a reproduction and that is a copyright violation,”
Can you be anymore retarded.
>>70157699
I pirate too you retard. I just hate fags who think they are honest people.
>>70157788
>copying is a computer term
millenials lmao
If you see a table you really like in a shop, go home and use your woodwork skills to make your own version of that table, did you steal the original table?
>stealing the companies right to sell you a product
Literally what?
>>70157843
That's about photographing artwork, not about photographing other photos.
Dumbass. You actually thought you'd struck gold by Googling your way to NY Times article.
The american version of Ricky Gervais
>awkward silence while looking at you funny
LOL
>>70157888
It depends on copyright law.
It might be different for tables and what knot but there are certain things you can.
That's not the point.
I am trying to make it clear that you are not just stealing a physical product when you steal a dvd.
Regardless
>>70157923
The actually semantics don't matter here because if you take a photo of a piece of art and than take a photo of that art it is illegal.
Furthermore it is illegal to take a photo of a photo. Because that means you are reproducing it.
Reproduction through a camera is considered derivative work except in certain circumstances.
Yes look it up.
And film is considered art too. So your argument is doubly bust.
I get your argument but you chose the worse analogy because you are actually wrong, not just for an argumentative perspective but also by the law.
>>70155538
You're a fucking moron!
>>70158170
>what knot
>>70158431
>not familiar with /tv/ memes
These are a diamond dozen nowadays.
>>70155219
>Created by Steve Goldblum
>>70158498
I am familiar with it, just looking at the rest of the post I'm not so sure the person was trying to meme
>>70157747
Basically this famalams
>>70158536
The classic "i'm just pretending to be retarded" scheme eh?
Bait culture has honestly ruined discussion on all the boards. You can't call people retarded without people calling you retarded.
>>70155219
>paying for something you don't know if you will like it
you're allowed to take a car on a test drive aswell, why shouldn't the same go for media
>>70158655
Nobody said anything about retards and the post was beyond merely pretending
>>70158732
Because then the media scam would crumble, they only want you to watch it for free on designated times with tons of commercial inbetweens if it should be "free"
>>70158764
Sorry anon, I didn't mean to call you retarded.
I was referring to my first post in which when someone is acting retarded they can hide behind memes. You can't call people out on shit because someone else will just call you a new shit like I did.
>Wearing sandals
Opinion discarded.
No respect for the lout who chooses to wear sandals.
>>70156262
think of the children.
>>70158732
Because creativity and risk would be destroyed just like the gaming industry.
>oh shit people are returning our products! We shouldn't have taken this risk!
vs
>well our game ended up shit but enough people bought the game for the creativity aspect that at least we aren't bankrupt.
You can argue that with free trials people will try more lesser known products therefore promoting creativity. but honestly, 90% of people don't care to try out random shit and will only watch the mainstream shit even if its bad. I feel like I force myself to go to cinemas just for /tv/ and money is definitely not an issue for me.
Then again hollywood is already bankrupt of creativity now. Then again perhaps hollywood would become even worse than it is now.
I'm really mixed about this.
>>70157888
lol this argument is so bad it can't be real.
Yes, obviously there is a difference between digital theft and physical theft. In the case of physical theft, not only are you taking something for free without paying for it, you are also stopping the seller from being able to sell that object to somebody else.
>>70156176
Weirdly enough I've spent money on bandcamp even though I am a huge pirate.
They give you everything immediately after the payment (takes 20 seconds) and you get .FLAC compared to the 128kb preview. Coincidentally it takes 5 mins to set up an apple account (+install) and then after you pay some huge amount of bux because LOL RECORD COMPANY, you get 128-320kb quality.
>no easy way to obtain XY show legally
>complain that your material is being pirated
It's all about convenience, if I could pay a subscription fee and have every show I wanted available on demand I'd do that, but as it stands the former Yugoslavian block is just now getting Netflix support and even then you still have shows split across multiple different networks and services.
>>70157419
>answer the question than!
Why? Why would I pay ANOTHER monthly subscription fee (you know, after internet and fucking rent) to access some 2 star comedy or action show? I already pay for the right to live in a fucking safe building and to CONNECT to your fucking content. I'm not paying more so you can afford a pool. Fuck you. Fuck all content creators. You will make money regardless, there will ALWAYS be people stupid enough to fund your ventures. Just not me.
>>70160372
>rent is a monthly subscription comparable to a internet service
lmao, move to the streets then if you're "paying too many subscriptions"
And besides, your rent and internet payments don't go to the creator of whatever entertainment you fucking retard.
>>70160724
I'm not paying you Eric. Also I watched most of your show through torrents. It was ok. Suck a dick.
If it weren't for this faggot we wouldn't have MDE, h3h3 and infinitely more shitty knockoffs. The world would be a much better place.
>>70159062
Creativity is dead since a long time
See: Capeshit
>those downvotes
poorfags getting triggered lmao
...and you also worked with Turner Broadcasting and got YOUR fucking money for being there when they needed cheap time filler.
>>70155219
>makes a career out of pandering to sarcastic and disillusioned teens who don't care about anything
>but wants them to do a behavioral 180 and suddenly be mature and responsible people when it comes for paying for his shit
Come on. He had to know this was coming.
What was the episode production cost, $75?
