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WTF did I just watch?
Does this flick promote fascism? How is this allowed?
>>70091789
wtf i hate neil patrick harris now
>>70091789
>Hating Starship Troopers
End yourself leftist cunt
>>70091789
it's satire pleb
>>70091789
Inb4 hurr hurr its satire
Ok fags what part specifically of a fascist regime is the movie criticizing or lampooning???
>>70091789
Its satire, Congrats you are cultural retard
>>70091934
Heinlein was a genius you cocksucker.
>>70091789
>source material is great science fiction that raises deep moral questions
>movie is limp-wristed leftist faggot making a parody of facism
Why are liberals so awful?
>>70091908
>haha it was a prank bro
At least they had to show the federation has some flaws, the fascists literally do nothing wrong in this movie
>>70091961
Not only that but our military made him mandatory reading for many many years.
>>70091934
Look reddit, it was a book first.
>it's satire
Then why is the teachers speech in the beginning the most based speech in the history of film?
>>70091934
Watch Triumph of The Will or clips of it and youll see the lampooning of that propaganda
You dense mother fucker
>>70091789
>left wingers
>too thick to realise the film was an attempted parody of fascism that failed miserably
Why are you allowed to post here?
>>70091908
>satire
it predicted the turkroach invasion of europe by 19 years
This thread holy shit
It's not meant to be a malicious attack on right wing ideals, it just subtly parodies things like propaganda and jingoism
>>70092024
Its paying homage or coopting 30s 40s us and nazi propaganda tactics
Its not criticizing those tactics its utilizing them to make a scifi propaganda peice of its own
Homage=/=satire there needs to be criticism present too and there is none of that in this movie
>>70092084
Not even parody m8 it activley pays homage to them there is no criticism of totalitarion or militiristic ideals
>>70091934
everything you stupid fucker
>>70092161
I Have no argument or Support: THE POST
It's pretty much /pol/:the movie
>>70092023
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
It's thinking like in that speech that lead Hitler to build the Berlin wall to keep Jews out.
>>70092084
There's nothing subtle going on this movie.
>this thread
>this thread
>>70092134
Because if it hit you over the head with FACISM BAD then the movie becomes a retarded mouthpiece. At least in this way when people put the connections together, they'll feel like they actually learned something instead of being spoonfed what to think or feel.
>>70092231
and your point is?
>>70092324
Hitler was bad!
>humans are the bad guys
>the entire audience didn't understand and cheered for the humans but also didn't like their outfits because Nazis
>>70091789
It's satire you fucking nitwit
>>70092363
hmm I wonder who could be behind this post
>>70091789
>WTF did I just watch?
One of the best movies ever made you fucking plebshit
starship troopers > aliens
prove me wrong
>>70092314
Well nothing in the movies shows the putfalls or idiosyncracies of facism. In fact everytging ends pretty good for everyone
No Brazil? That was a satire. Why? Because unlike sst it showed the ridiculousness of an over beirocratozed society where a guy was lilled because of something as ridiculous as a fly in a printing press. The propaganda tactics in sst don't lead to anything bad or negative they operate exactly as intended as trimphant and great.
A propaganda peice with no lampooning or malintent
>>70092239
So why do most people at first watch have absolutely no idea of the director's intended subtext?
>>70092405
i can't, it's objectively one of the best sci-fi films of all time. Aliens is a generic shitty non-atmospheric semi-slasher piece of shit
>>70092409
>beirocratozed
I can't help but laugh at this misspelling.
>>70092108
Yes, I'm sure the Dutch Jew director who lived through the second world war had nothing critical to say about the Nazis. It's just stylistic pastiche!
please note:
the bug strikes are a false flag
>>70092409
You really don't see how ridiculous was their society?
>>70092409
Are you going to cry about it on reddit ?
>>70092421
Because most people are idiots.
>Argentina
>white
>>70092409
they murdered bugs for no reason even after a defense solution was found
>thinking that pussy handholding politics are powerfull enough to unite humankind in a war against an alien race that wants to wipe them out.
In face of extinction only a few ways of governing would work.
Starship Troopers, movie which has less than nothing to do with the book of the same name, but which was a shitty book.
Movie has much more in common with the book Armor, which was good.
In other words, good movie.
>disable his hand
>>70092461
The only issue Jews have with the Nazis is that they were targeted. Why do you think they based Israel on it?
>inb4 the destruction of Buenos Aires was not an attack of the bugs
You liberal bug apologists make me sick. How many more of us have to die?
The film was originally going to be the story of Nazi friends through the 1930s and 1940s. That should say enough.
>>70092409
>pitfalls of fascism
Besides the fact that it threw away hundreds of thousands of lives in one hour, and threw away so many casualties they had to start using child soldiers against the bugs? Besides that it's implied humanity is losing, despite capturing a brain bug? Do they really expect that to turn the war around?
>>70092494
Have you been to Argentina?
>>70092421
Because unlike a lot of Verhoeven's movies, the thing being satirized isn't explicitly shown being in the wrong. You have to dig that out yourself.
>>70092600
Yeah. I was a journalist during the Falklands War and took this picture.
>>70091789
>Does this flick promote fascism? How is this allowed?
Its promotes an SJW utopia, where all races and genders are completely equal.
>>70091789
The form of government is Stratocracy you pleb,
which is a militarily-based democracy, where
the legislative-electoral system is based on
the military, which is the backbone of government.
At no point of this film was the ideological system of fascism apparent. People just confuse emphasis on military with totalitarianism.
>>70092804
>Stellaris retard
>>70092804
Like Valkyria Chronicles. In that game every citizen is required to join the military and their schools are borderline military academies. And all citizens find glory in this, even if they abhor war, understanding that not everyone thinks like them and it is their right to protect their nation so they do. Systematically.
Like we graduate with honors in biology or mathematics, people in that game can graduate with honors in field medicine or tactical analysis.
Their nation is also a shining beacon on civilization when other more ruthless military nations are shown wanting. The people in that game are happy to serve their country and defend its values.
They understand personal sacrifice for stability and security.
>>70092598
>The bugs are winning
Nigga we have a brain bug now. The war is all but won
If you think this film promotes fascism, then you're the brunt of the joke.
>>70092803
THat is why all the protagonists are white. Are you sure you haven't got this confused with Star Trek?
>RICO
>ARHGAH
>RICO
>YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO
>>70092204
oh yeah, well I'm rubber, you are glue
eat that
>>70093211
Let me guess, it's a game made by the delusional Japanese?
>>70091958
>A NIGGER! LOOK, THERE'S A NIGGER! HE'S A NIGGER! HE'S A NIGGER! HE'S A NIGGER! THROW HIS ASS OUT! HE'S A NIGGER! "CRACKER-ASS"? ARE YOU CALLING ME A CRACKER-ASS, NIGGER? ARE YOU THREATENING ME, NIGGER?
What did he mean by this?
>>70091789
People born after 2000 are a fucking plague...
>>70091934
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoPTPe33PQY
here's one scene for starters.
nub
>>70091789
It's supposed to be a parody of the source material because the director is a cuck, but the ideas resonate so strongly with people that people actually like it.
What is wrong with fascism anyway?
People only dislike it because they have been told it's bad.
>>70093500
>2000
90s millennial detected
>>70093602
Nothing if you hate your own freedom.
>>70091982
Effective satire doesn't do that.
>>70091789
Are you fucking retarded? Do you not understand satire AT ALL unless it has some niggers screaming in it or something?
>>70093650
>Democracy
>Freedums
pick 1
>>70091789
It's tongue in cheek Satire you dumb nigger
>>70091789
it was 19 years ago bro
we hadn't gone full sjw yet
man i miss the 90's
>There are people that unironically believe that it's BAD to have to serve in the military to get to vote
>>70091789
Daily Mail tier bait. End yourself fool.
starship troopers is the greatest film ever, to the casual pleb it's just a shoot all of the aliens action movie.
but to patrician viewers like myself the rest of /tv/ it's clearly a multilayered satire on an overly authoritarian society.
>>70091789
>>70091847
>>70092228
>>70092060
That's satire too
Prophetic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBxgrr0wL8M
>>70093737
I actually like that idea from the speach at the beginning of the difference between a citizen and civilians.
"Something given has no value!" that is so much true.
>>70091789
It's tongue in cheek Satire you dumb nigger
>>70093966
It isn't satire when it is true. Have you ever been on Berlin or Munich or London? I would give my right arm if someone wake up and send all this turkoraches back to their shitty country.
>>70092409
This anon is onto something. Sure, the offensive failed and lots of people died, but the movie never learned from this. Did any major characters die? No. Did any of them show signs of mental trauma or disillusionment after going through that bloodbath? No. Was the government forced to reconsider its feckless pro-war policy? No. Did the movie shift in tone even slightly? No. It went on to have more mindless battles, and even gave the fascists a happy ending. We only saw one character who wasn't intent on cheerfully marching to his demise, and he was portrayed as a snivelling coward who got a borderline comedic death.
Satire my ass. It's a hacky sci-fi flick, nothing more.
>>70094092
The EU is just a prank bro, calm down
(But seriously, thank Christ we're getting out in June)
>>70092409
Thats the point!!!!!
Jesus, how dense are you you! Its a propaganda movie in itself! The alst broadcast of them showing off their new tech, the steady success in the war and another recruitment offensive is just the cherry on top.
Is it clever? No. But it gives an already entertainign sci-fi flick a needed edge and its fitting with its themes.
>>70094515
>if it doesn't show negative consequences in the piece it can't be satire, cultural context doesn't exist because I've never read a book and am completely ignorant of both history and contemporary events
Just go to bed, it's nap time for 8 year olds
>>70094620
>it's an "if I insult this person and call him underage I win the argument" post
Satire has to do something other than just portraying the subject matter straight. Otherwise everything would be satirising itself. Starship Troopers never satirises the subject, it's a straightforward action flick.
>>70093703
>your waifus
>democracy
pick both
>your waifus
>fascism
pick one
we all know what choice you are going to make, son
>>70094554
They'll do everything they can to cheat you out of leaving. Good luck.
>>70093985
I forgot how much I love this movie.
>>70093737
I don't even give a shit about voting. It doesn't matter who's president. Give me something I actually care about.
>>70094780
>Satire has to do something other than just portraying the subject matter straight.
What do you mean by something other? Be more concise to get your point across anon.
>>70094835
>you can't have fascist and waifus
Hitler was a waifuist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRlfbUr852o
>>70094780
are you legitimately retarded?
Let's take a modest proposal, one of the more famous works of satire: at no point in the essay does swift stop being relentlessly positive in extolling the virtues of eating Irish babies, he spends the entire time talking up the idea like it was the bees knees. He never takes a break to explain how bad it is or all the bad things that happened to the people who ate Irish children.
Thinking you need to break your satire down to explain why the thing you're satirizing is bad is satire for little fucking babies. Like you. Enjoy your nap.
>they fell for the satire meme
>>70091789
Who exactly would 'disallow' it?
>>70093737
>There are people who believe a lie which is created to get more fresh meat for the grinder.
>>70093650
democracy was a mistake
>>70091789
A great movie.
just don't, i say again, don't watch number 2 and 3.
>>70095056
>getting waifus in a fascist regime
Not if you are a neckbeard who spends his day browsing the-chins, anon.
>>70092409
>the whole of humanity tied up into a fabricated, useless war against an alien race, with astronomical casualties because of either ineptness or outright sabotage
>everything ends pretty good
Nigga what.
>>70095115
I feel bad for people who don't understand obvious satire. They don't have something wonderful to share with the ones who understand it.
>>70095308
This is why some idiots don't think it's satire, because they spent their whole life stewing in nationalism and propaganda that when they see it they just take the bait, hook, line, and sinker and eat it all up with zero self awareness or thought.
>>70095237
what about invasion?
>>70095308
>useless war
>bugs literally have the ability to wipe out life on earth and have already destroyed a major metropolitan area
inb4 "muh false flag"
There are no anti-war movies.
Especially if that movie involves soldiers fighting giant space bugs.
Is satire too complicated for millennials?
>>70092084
>subtly
>>70095248
You sound angry as fuck anon
Did a fascist steal your gf or something?
>>70095633
go easy on the kid, he's not the brightest match in the box
>>70095432
Didn't even know about it. Looked it up and I can say I wouldn't even count it.
>>70095624
It literally is
Look at this entire thread. Just what the fuck is going to happen when these people vote
>>70095543
The bugs can send a rock to the other side of the galaxy to hit a planet by farting, but the humans can't glass the bug planets or drive an FTL-speed object into it because...?
It isn't a war for resources or for control of the bug population like you would with a human population, yet humanity isn't using its full power. They're putting infantry into the meatgrinder just to control the population or something, all the while giving the bugs time to send off another rock.
>>70095738
it's pretty good, not as parodic as the original movie but still pretty good it's even made by a nip
>>70095791
It can't be worse than having to choose between Trump and Hillary
>>70095865
It can always be worse my friend
>>70095624
It always bothered me that movies and TV shows over-explains jokes, but apparently they have to because people really are too stupid to understand things unless someone explicitly tells them how to react.
>>70095693
gf? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
you realize where we are, right? poor anon-kin is deluded.
just in case you didn't hate Carmen enough :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-ajyGCh0rs
>>70095865
>it can't be worse than choosing between bush and Kerry
>>70093985
Man, I wish more movies had the balls to have scripts like this. People are so goddamn infantilised these days they can't handle a movie discussing ideas that even the filmmakers disagree with. If Starship Troopers came out today, I guarantee people would freak and completely miss that it's satire.
>>70096113
Kerry was the hero we needed
>>70094613
I knowwwww we agree mate. The movie itself is a meta propaganda peice that utilizes tried and true methods. Its not a satire or critique of facism its a homage to its tactics
>>70096214
He was a statist corporate shill just like virtually everyone in the final two for the past 50+ years
>>70096132
this shit is in every fps video game
>>70096084
>nobody's watching now :-)
>starts fondling her tit
>they're in the middle of the campus lawn
Top kek.
>>70095314
Homage=/= satire
>>70092239
>>70095633
Apprently it's too subtle for some.
See:
>>70094780
>>70096316
in the future there's little care for nudity
>>70091979
>Paul Verhoeven
>limp-wristed
I've never seen an opinion so fucking wrong in my life
>>70096335
Yes. Those words are indeed different.
>>70096360
I always got such a boner from the co-ed shower scene.
>>70096347
There needs to be a conmentary or critique for it to be satire. Stating old timey epitaphs like " the only good bug/german is a dead bug/german" isn't satire in and of itself tgere needs to be a reason explicitly shown why its ridiculous or misguided
Star ship troopers shows neither
>>70093237
>THat is why all the protagonists are white.
>Implying Filipinos are white
>>70096452
no homo but you can see rico's dick for a second
DEEPEST LORE
Johnny's parents are wealthy, meaning they can exert influence and authority without citizenship (the right to vote, hold office, etc) in a society ruled by a jingoistic junta-corportocracy.
How do we know this? Well, the shower scene has one girl say she wants to a be a citizen so she can have an easier time get a license to have children. Not get a license, just have an easier go of getting one. Yet, Johnny's parents are not citizens and they have him.
>>70096479
See >>70095063
People like you need to stop demanding everything be spelled out for you
I swear all these homage posters and people saying it's not satire have to be running a satire themselves, they can't all be this moronic, can they?
>>70091934
With the military industrial complex leading the masses to go fight a bunch of bugs from outer space, for starters?
>>70091979
>raises deep moral questions
Bullshit. It was fun, but the philosophical inspiration regarding vote system and the necessity of a continous enemy to sustain it it's not deep, but flawed.
The book does portrait the military as the best over everything else without explaining in detail why it's the best, saying it it's not enough.
If you really thought that shit was deep, then you really need to study philosophy
>>70092803
The movie was showing the future of what I call "American Fascism", no sexism or racism but still a Militaristic Dictatorship.
>>70096479
Ok, I'll give you one example to help you get started. In one of the propaganda bits, it's showing the kids stamping on cockroaches to 'do their part' while the parent watches on cackling with a fanatical glee. If you don't recognise that this is showing how ridiculous it is to want vengeance against insects and by extension what this says about how easily people's emotions can be manipulated to bizarre extremes when they're pitted against an external enemy, regardless of whether said hatred is rational or not, then you're beyond help.
There are plenty of other examples. Try watching it again, and turn your brain on this time.
>>70096946
>>70096813
You will never win with these people, anons. They will ignore your examples which they asked for, and drone on about, "but the movie does nothing of the sort to be considered satire".
It is an evolutionary defense, never admit you are wrong because it threatens your biological imperative at a primal level. Admitting being wrong, is admitting weakness which scares people in a hardwired unconscious level of being not liked since they are weak which in turns might threaten their chance of reproduction. Thus even the ones that have all the facts laid out against them still cling to whatever bullshit they spouted off and are now forced to believe. Just disengage please.
>>70091934
There is no crtitique within the film, but an exageration. A cartoonish despiction of a fascist military regime, that's nonetheless played in a completely unironic way.
In other words, a fucking SATIRE.
>but you can say that of anything!
Yet it only happens with Verhoeven's films. Weird huh?
Go watch it again.
Are they all worth watching or just the 1st one?
>>70097377
Just the first one, for the love of god avoid the rest they miss the point of the first one entirely.
>>70097377
Not the same director, and it really shows. Avoid like the plague.
>>70097400
>>70097432
Looks like the ratings were right
I shall, thanks m80s
>>70091789
>Good looking White people in uniform = fascism.
Back to Plebbit. Fascism is good BTW.
>>70097648
Wow this post is just like a Verhoeven kino
nice
>>70097377
The anime one is fine and if you want more Rico just watch the end of the 3rd movie and be glad you didn't watch the rest
Buenos Aires was a false flag attack
>>70097741
Can I just watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIsv1YOFNys
on repeat?
Buenos Aires was a false flag
did the book sequels go all christian sci-fi?
>>70097165They are also trolls
>>70097273
This.
>>70091961
Does anyone have this gif with the Shia le Douche doing his "Do it" thing?
>"It's a SATIRE guys"
>In-universe, the benevolent fascist military dictatorship literally took humanity out of leftist-induced chaos and global civil wars and then lead humanity to the stars
Yeah totally a satire
>>70091789
It's satire in the Verhoven movie. He's anti-fascist.
The book is not satire, however.
>>70097377
only the 1st one is objectively a good movie
2nd is failed attempt to turn Starship Troopers into horror with really bad script and low budget
However I kinda like the 3rd one, propaganda and subplot about religion are hilarious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIsv1YOFNys
Invasion is decent, characters and animation are good, but the plot is imho silly. If you like animated movies, you should watch it but if you don't you aren't missing anything ground-breaking.
>>70097273
This guy right here.
If you think Starship Troopers is meant to be taken straight, you don't know anything about Paul Verhoven.
![220px-Jonathan_swift[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rgH7sY3.jpg "220px-Jonathan_swift[1].jpg")
>>70096479
>>70091789
>mfw people are actually this dumb and uncultured
>mfw people miss the point so flagrantly
>mfw people can't tell the difference between satire, lampoon and parody
Fascism works, what the problem is?
>>70093265
yes sir :'(
>>70092646
KekI really enjoyed Zulu
>>70091789
Verhoeven is a cuck. His family was "killed" in the holo-fraud, so now he is in full SJW mode, making satirical propaganda movies. Don't believe his lies.
>>70098539
This
its probably not even a dictatorship, just a military republic
also the humans did nothing wrong except not taking the bug menace seriously twice by allowing them to destroy buenos aires, and being unprepared when landing
>>70092352
Yeah that guy was a real jerk.
>>70091934
This post is so under age reddit tier it gave me a headache
>movie was satire back in the 90s
>movie is now inspiration in 2016
How far we have fallen in such a short time
>>70100907
the satire is mostly confined to the ads and very short scenes though
>>70100670
What you're missing is that the book and the movie are different.
The book is a strongly pro-military republic and is not satire.
The movie amps up the jingoism and plays it as satire.
Guess what: Robocop is satire too.
Judge Dredd is also largely satire in the comics but is played more straight in all the film adaptations.
>>70101101
yeah I know that , I posted >>70101049 , in the general plot of the movie there is little place for the satire to be shown
The Terran Federation government is the greatest form of government every thought of.
It's nearly perfect imo and it's not fascist.
>>70095063
Wrong modest proposal ridicules the idea that the crown won't help the irish out to the point where eating babies seems more likely than british assisyence with the famine
So we established the ridiculousness of a modest proposal what's the ridiculousness in starship troopers?
>>70097159
That's world building here ill give u an example. Remember in pacific rim wheb the japanese talk show was playing with the kaiju man in the suit making the joke about the kaiju attacks? Was that satire or was it just world building showing the things people in the universe use to get them thru their day
Propaganda in starship troopers wasn't being criticized it wwas world building a police state clear and simple
>>70097273
> there is no crtitique within the film
Then there is no satire because by definition satire is a witty critique
Brazil critiqued beurocracy
Modest proposal critiqued the british not aiding the irish
Star ship troopers did NOT critique fascism it payed homage to propaganda techniques
>>70101101
> guess what: Robocop is satire too.
Lol ok now WHAT was robo cop satirizing and critiqing?
>>70091789
>I'm from Buenos Aires and I say kill'em all
>>70102045
>robo cop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJiYrRcfQo
>>70102146
I'm on mobile can u summarize?
>>70102214
literally says "i never broke the law! I am the law !"
>>70102045
Dude. Delta city is literally a corporate-administrated Detroit halfway through a massive gentrification redevelopment enforced a privatized police force.
Omni consumer products is a massive super-conglomerate that literally reduces one of their workers (a cop) to a machine that can only do their bidding. He then enforces the 'law' with extreme and emotionless brutality as a PR exercise that glorifies the company.
Did you seriously not understand any of this?
The hero of the movie is literally a proletariat stripped of his humanity by the bourgeoisie to enforce their hegemony.
>>70102636
Judge dredd also has an omnipotent force tgat controls laws and society but no one says that's a satire why? Because the movie never makes a statement that iys wrong or bad
I swear no one itt knows what satire even means its just a meaningless word like irony these days
>>70102866
Actually the Judge Dredd comics *are* strongly satiric. As I posted earlier, the Film adaptations have been less adept at conveying this, and probably would not be strictly classified as satire (though there are some small elements that are still there)
I think this has a lot to do with how they toned down a lot of the comedy from the comics because straight and gritty sells better.
>>70096955
>>70103053
To be fair, they did also tone down Dredd a bit. Comics Dredd probably would have put a hole in Anderson for letting that hacker get away.
>>70102866
Fun fact:
Robo cop is actually Paul Verhoven's version of judge dredd, but inverted.
Judge Dredd depicts a statist authoritarian dystopia and shows how laughably horrible it is.
Robocop depicts a capitalist corporatocracy dystopia and shows how laughably horrible it is.
Paul Verhoven, being a leftist, quite naturally preferred to film the latter.
Rational people: it's satire, you probably didn't realize because you watched it when you were a child. It's ok
Autists: NO ITS NOT SATIRE I CAN'T READ SOCIAL CUES AND NO ONE LIKES ME SO ITS NOT SATIRE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
https://youtu.be/VkOqiweYfwQ
This shit isn't that complicated.
>>70103252
I'm not that guy but he's in the right. Heinlein was a smart and gifted sf authour, and I like the book, but it was really one of his thematic throwaway novels.
He did a lot of these, where he'd take one idea and run it to it's natural conclusion via fiction but without really passing judgement one way or another.
THe novel is written in the first person: it's a depiction of a hugely pro-military culture by a guy that lives in that same culture and supports it -- don't mistake this for the voice of the authour.
If there's anything I know about Heinlein, it's that his commitment to individualism trumped his respect for military service, which of course comes with bits of authoritarianism attached.
The man was a libertarian, but a jokey one that could make jokes about himself and his own ideas.
>>70096306
perhaps but we cant enjoy it because it is so badly executed.
i dont mind the cheese, if it's perfume is attractive. but games literally cant fucking do anything right
>>70103294
Oh absolutely. But Dredd's unflinching brutality is part of the joke.
The biggest joke in Dredd is the question of context.
Dredd's extreme methods make sense because the world he lives in is ludicrously horrible.
It's meant to show what the world actually looks like when you use extreme law as a response to extreme crime.
Okay, it works I guess, but the world is still pretty shitty.
>>70101960
>>70102045
Fucking kids can't be this stupid.
>>70101960
You're not wrong about what satire is.
I think you're just not understanding that this movie wasn't serious and was clearly a parody.
It's practically a B movie.
>>70103848
>Doubting human stupidity, especially among youth
Oh yes, yes they can.
>>70091789
>mfw verhoeven made the perfect post 9/11 social commentary 4 years before 9/11
>>70103994
Thank you, anon - sometimes I do forget, and say stupid shit meself. Thank you again.
This guy >>70104072
gets it.
>>70101960
The line is of course more blurry when satire is more subtle.
You cited a modest proposal, but not Gulliver's Travels, I noticed.
The essence of satire is taking an idea to such extremes that it becomes both laughable and horrible.
The idea is that people either take it seriously and express outrage, see the joke and laugh, or agree wholeheartedly and out themselves as a monster and an imbecile.
Good satire rides the line and is subtle enough to do all three and does so while working off ideas that people actually express.
A modest proposal was swift's earlier work, and less complex than Guliver's.
Satire is intentially designed to go over at least some people's heads. Yes, when a modest proposal was published, there were people that took it seriously.
>>70104207
Right?
Johnny Rico could have said "I'm from New York City and I say kill all those ragheads" and it would have been the same movie.
>there are people in this thread right now who don't like Starship Troopers
>>70096084
All good scenes
>>70091789
This movie managed to completely miss the point of the book but absolutely nail what >>70104072
says
>>70104354
It's adaptation, anon.
There is no such thing as a successful adaptation.
But that doesn't mean the results need to be bad.
>>70101830
I don't really remember that scene, I found Pacific Rim pretty forgettable. But, if they made a point of coming back to it, if there was a theme about the media trivialising a major threat or something, it could be satire, sure. It depends whether the director or writer's intent comes through, in the case of Starship Troopers, I think it's pretty clear that it does.
>>70101684
How about that false flag asteroid attack on Earth from across the galaxy.
Hay guise wats goin on in this thred
>>70101684
The ridicule is subtext. The author never explicitly states that baby eating is bad -- in fact he promotes it.
That's the whole point of satire.
>>70104270
And kids are itt, right now, scoffing at the notion of 'perpetual war' as a tool of societal control - as their soldiers are out engaged in perpetual war with an invisible and largely non-existent 'enemy' that has been identified for us by our media. Oi vey indeed..
I think it's important to make a distinction between Paul Verhoeven's film and Robert Heinlein's YA novel. While I enjoy both for different reasons, I've read that Verhoeven thought the novel was boring and never finished reading it.
I would suggest that in the film version, the war with the bugs was a corporate means to reduce surplus population and thin out humanity's more violent specimens.
As others have pointed out, the veteran junta that supposedly ran Earth government was a sham, or at the very least a thin shell over a corporate oligarchy that was genuinely in charge. Just as meritocracies have been shown to gravitate towards oligarchy as winners of the past tilt the playing field for their family and friends, so too would the veterans' government (a kind of limited meritocracy, where serving in the military was the single coin of merit) eventually be overwhelmed by cowardly legacies.
You see this same kind of thing in tech corporations. A blogger once called this the "Bozo Event Horizon," where the entrance of just one pseudo-technical "bozo" in a high tech firm could create a beachhead for the employment of other bozos. Since bozos always feel more comfortable around bozos (rather than people who actually know what they're doing), eventually the company will be overwhelmed.
>>70094515
It's a blessing that you're posting this here and not under your real name. Otherwise everyone would know you didn't get Starship Troopers.
>>70104909
Hey everyone. I've found another guy that isn't completely baffled by Starship Troopers.
>>70094515
You can't possibly be this thick.
>A feature of satire is strong irony or sarcasm—"in satire, irony is militant"[2]—but parody, burlesque, exaggeration,[3] juxtaposition, comparison, analogy, and double entendre are all frequently used in satirical speech and writing.
>***This "militant" irony or sarcasm often professes to approve of (or at least accept as natural) the very things the satirist wishes to attack.***
I'll quote it again
***This "militant" irony or sarcasm often professes to approve of (or at least accept as natural) the very things the satirist wishes to attack.***
Verhoeven literally says on the commentary track that the message of the movie is:
>War ultimately makes fascists of us all
>>70104537
Fucking hell do I really have to quote wikipedia? Fucking kids.
Relationship to novel[edit]
Because the movie originated from an unrelated script, with names and superficial details from the novel being added retroactively, there are many differences between the original book and the film. While the original novel has been accused of promoting militarism, fascism and military rule,[10][11] the film satirizes these concepts by featuring news reports that are intensely fascist, xenophobic, and propagandistic. Verhoeven stated in 1997 that the first scene of the film—an advertisement for the mobile infantry—was adapted shot-for-shot from a scene in Leni Riefenstahl’s Triumph of the Will (1935), specifically an outdoor rally for the Reichsarbeitsdienst. Other references to Nazism in the movie include the Gestapo-like uniforms of commanding officers, Albert Speer-style architecture and the propagandistic dialogue. (Violence is the supreme authority!)[12]
A report in an American Cinematographer article states that the Heinlein novel was optioned well into the preproduction period of the film, which had a working title of Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine; most of the writing team reportedly were unaware of the novel at the time. According to the DVD commentary, Verhoeven never finished reading the novel, claiming he read through the first few chapters and became both "bored and depressed."[3]
In a 2014 interview on The Adam Carolla Show, actor Michael Ironside, who read the book as a youth, said he asked Verhoeven, who grew up in Nazi-occupied Netherlands, "Why are you doing a right-wing fascist movie?" Verhoeven replied, "If I tell the world that a right-wing, fascist way of doing things doesn't work, no one will listen to me. So I'm going to make a perfect fascist world: everyone is beautiful, everything is shiny, everything has big guns and fancy ships, but it's only good for killing fucking bugs!"[13]
>>70105455
Remember: 'bugs' means 'the enemy' - those bastards who are not part of your society or cultural group. Every grouping of humans does this - every group is exclusive of some who don't share the group's ideals. These 'outcasts' or 'enemies' or 'bugs' help to define the group, give the group meaning and focus. ALL groups do this. You experience it every day at school - look at the various cliques and what they tell themselves about the other cliques. Look at politics.
ALL human groups are organized against outsiders - it's what we do.
>>70105869
>ALL human groups are organized against outsiders - it's what we do.
To be fair, some are much worse about it than others.
Look at traditional bedouin arab culture:
When you're by yourself, fuck anyone that isn;t you -- they're fair game.
When you're with your family, fuck anyone who isn't your family -- they're fair game.
When you're with your clan, fuck anyone who isn't your clan -- they're fair game.
When you're with your tribe, fuck anyone who isn't your tribe -- they're fair game.
When you're with the faithful, fuck anyone who isn't faithful -- they're infidels (and fair game).
>>70096132
But when it came out about half the critics missed that it's satire. Most reviews just called it a mindless sci-fi action flick.
>>70106043
All of Humanity and human history in one post. Wise anon.
How stupid do you have to be to not understand Stormship fucking Troopers?
>/tv/
ohhh that's why
>>70094515
You think it would be a satire if they learned from their mistakes?
You think the bugs actually launched the attack on Buenos Aires?
You think that's air you're breathing?
>>70106262
Every Starship Troopers thread on /tv turns into a torrent of fascist bait. Just sigh and move along.
>>70091934
100 MILLION DEAD
>>70091789
The book is better, but the film is great
