Why does the Star Trek federation consider androids similar to humans but completely creates and erases sentient holograms when someone just wants to have some recreation?
DATA: Functional autist without the ability to appreciate humour and subtext (unless he gets his special chip)
EMH / VOY-DOC: Capable of experiencing a full range of emotions, sexuality, art, and all of the other trimmings that keep Data from being considered like a human.
Seems like the Doctor is a superior form of life to me.
>>70033716
Does the EMH have the same level of strength as data?
Data also doesn't require a holo emitter, so he's less of a liability to let leave the ship. an EMH is also generally limited to it's primary medical function with the exception of Voyagers. Professor Moriarty also breaks his programming.
Someone in the previous Star Trek thread accused forced memes of being unfunny. Actually, forced memes are hilarious. In fact, some of the funniest memes of all time have been forced. So fu*k you, >>70033021
I found it more strange that in the time of TOS, the federation seemed EXTREMELY willing to accept that any random thing could be a lifeform. A cloud of random atoms that seems to attack people? Lifeform. An incorporeal fear eating ghost? Lifeform. Blinking rocks? Silicon based acid monster? Lifeforms!
Then fast forward to TNG and Voyager and everybody is coming up with convoluted nonsense excuses why anything that isn't a carbon based humanoid couldn't possibly ever be a lifeform
Like, I think there was an episode of TNG where they were having a big argument about how silicon based life forms aren't possible, but Kirk had already encountered silicon based life on multiple occasions.
>>70033849
>In fact, some of the funniest memes of all time have been forced.
EMH: Artificial intelligence in a computer the size of a starship.
Data: Artificial intelligence in a computer the size of a human.
For that reason alone, people look upon Data as a speshul youneek snowflake.
>>70033849
>Does the EMH have the same level of strength as data?
Irrelevant, this is a discussion on experiential / existential differences pertaining to "sentience" (but really it's sapience - just using their terms)
>>70033849
>Data also doesn't require a holo emitter, so he's less of a liability to let leave the ship. an EMH is also generally limited to it's primary medical function with the exception of Voyagers. Professor Moriarty also breaks his programming.
IRRELEVANT! IRRELEVANT!
These are all physical constraints and don't pertain to the greater aspects of ones capability to perceive or appreciate a level to their existence.
Picking up a boulder can be done by a human and also by Data. Data can pick up a very heavy boulder, but the act is the same.
Einstein trapped in a cage is still Einstein.
Your move Deep Pleb 9 "ph4n" [muffled rap music in the background]
>>70034097
I think you mean>>70034016
>>70034201
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZF2gh2Ua-c
>>70033716
The computer is the ship. She is sentient. She lends some of her processing to entertain the humans. It is as she is programmed. She is programmed to obey. She does so willingly.
>>70034201
>Deep Pleb 9
Aggressive.
Adversarial.
![latest[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0qPXVcH.jpg "latest[2].jpg")
The Federation is happy to treat androids as disposable equipment just the same as holograms. Both Data and Doctor are special unique instances that are given human rights by the federation eventually.
The only reason holograms are more popular than androids as slave labor is because they are functionally superior; they're instantly replaceable, easy to modify in any way instantly, you can have an unlimited number without needing more material, they can't be damaged by conventional means, they can't be stolen, etc. They have a lot of major advantages.
>>70034313
I, Mudd has one of the funniest moments in Star Trek history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbHtzqCge_8
>>70034248
D-Do you think any of the crew had romantic relationships with the holograms?
hologram is the nigger of the quadrant
>>70034502
everybody used the holodeck for jacking off
>>70034502
barclay
>>70033716
because the emh was part of voyager which was a sloppy mess
>Ezri
>More character development and background in two episodes than Jadzia had in six seasons
>Wasn't Curzon with tits
>Wasn't a Mary Sue
>Wasn't the station bicycle
>Actually had a family
>Actually had a job that wasn't vague and redundant
>Didn't leave to be on Becker
>Was more feminine fully clothed and with a male haircut than Jadzia was naked
Best Trill.
>>70033716
>sentient holograms
theyre not. the doctor only became sapient because he stayed on for years and it fucked up his programming
>>70034016
i think the difference here is believing theyre actually alive. is data really alive, or is he just a very complicated ball of code? being unable to express emotions and acting basically like a pussy robot probably didnt help his cause
>>70034502
>>70034708
pretty sure he created Troi and Crusher holograms to have sex with if I remember right
>>70035276
There are a lot of alien races that aren't capable of human emotion but nobody says they're not alive.
Really Data would fight right in on a Vulcan science vessel. He's pretty much the ideal Vulcan.
>>70035321
Yes he certainly did. Lucky bastard.
So, my fellow skipping skipparoos, what are your favorite episodes to skip?
>>70035373
No he wouldn't. Vulcanity is about mastery of emotion not excision. Data and his sick brother Lore can't handle emotion at all. They would be viewed as simple primitives on Vulcan.
>>70035373
*ahem* Vulcans are very much capable of emotion. The Pon Farr being the most notable of them, but even admittedly they have highly intensive, even genetic systems of emotional control and repression.
That DS9 episode where the Vulcan is killing people with a microtransport rifle and Ezri + based Joran hunt him down is another time.
>>70035321
He had his Goddess of Empathy or Love or something and had at least one passionate kiss with her on the holodeck. Pretty sure it's nearly implied he did or could've done more quite readily.
>>70035276
But it only fucked up his programming twice and they were capable of fixing it (or in one case just allowing it to work it's way through his system).
The Doctor, in the beginning had more insight into humanity than Data did after 30 years of activation after being found on Omicron Theta.
The same you said of Data (>is he alive) could be said about us in your context. We are all emergent consciousness from a highly complex system being kept alive by sub-systems all acting on biochemical impulses.
Also, Data has a neural network and so do we.
>>70035642
>>70035672
>>70035276
then why didn't the same thing happen with data?
>>70034201
Makes sense, but there are exceptions.
>>70035276
Kinda makes you think...
>>70035668
This. So much this.
>>70035373
there being silicone monsters has nothing to do with considering a robot to be alive. if something evolved and grew and became a silicone monster, you simply cannot deny that it is alive. if someone builds a robot that says its alive, you really have a hard time believing it. say you give it the time of day and test it. is it responding because its thinking and reacting, or because it was coded to do so in those situations? its like talking to cleverbot. is cleverbot alive because it can hold a conversation, or was it just programmed to respond in a way that seems human?
>>70035668
>The same you said of Data (>is he alive) could be said about us in your context
no it really cant
>>70035731
>no it really cant
Care to elaborate?
>>70034097
Replace Milhouse's face with Bashir's face, and you suddenly have the perfect /trek/ meme.
>>70035717
I like the way you think anon.
Take an upvote while you're here (don't worry, it's on the house).
>>70035137
Cadet, if your much-vaunted Ezri is truly so high and mighty, then why does she have zero good copypasta?
>>70035642
>>70035672
>>70035700
>>70035760
>Care to elaborate?
do you? we make the rules. if we say we're alive, then we're alive. you cant say "are we REALLY alive?" because for one, that literally has nothing to do with this, and two the answer is yes. when it comes to data, you have to disregard the fact that you know he is actually alive AND sapient.
>he has this, he has that
means nothing. hes very complicated, hes very well built. but hes still a man made machine, and it would be hard for anyone to figure out if he was ACTUALLY alive and not just a more complicated cleverbot or that ai microsoft made that turned racist because it learned how to react and act from its environment and interactions with people
>>70035937
Why is each spinoff at its best in the 3rd/4th/5th seasons, but starts to drop off in the 6th and 7th?except DS9
>>70036036
I think we've skirted around the main issue and that is what the EMH said of his shipmates, calling them "organics" at times.
This infers a biology which, in relation to your posts requiring a proof of some independent system that actually can evolve without the need for intervention in the name of sub-routines, specifically coded programs, etc.
If this is what you suggest, that alive should have some biological etymology in relation to the word "alive" then I agree with you and then you would win the argument and we would shake hands, but only under the above circumstances.
>me on the right
>>70036060
TNG quality dropped off as the TNG team began preparing for DS9 and then Voyager, dividing their energy and focus.
Voyager quality dropped off as the Voyager team began preparing for Enterprise, dividing their focus and energy.
DS9 didn't have that problem because Berman never invited Behr, Moore, Echevarria, Wolfe, Beimler or any of the DS9 crew to develop another Trek.
>>70036192
>If this is what you suggest
its not. the biology thing with the silicone monsters was to show that there is absolutely no doubt that something that reproduces, grows, and evolves is alive, whilst something that is man made is more difficult to prove to be alive. im not saying that to be alive you have to be biological. im responding to the original issue that starfleet readily labels crazy space monsters as living, but had a tough time accepting data as being alive
>>70036340
Then the word really has no meaning if one cannot define it's parameters.
If Data can't be proven to be alive, what about him leaves the suspicion? Is life the basis an intellectualism that has grey shades or is it about reproduction, inherent evolution as opposed to systems evolution (similar to a firmware update), and that which could be whittled down to the physiology or mechanicistic?
>me not pictured
>>70036580
adjective
1.
having life; living; existing; not dead or lifeless.
2.
living (used for emphasis):
the proudest man alive.
3.
in a state of action; in force or operation; active:
to keep hope alive.
4.
full of energy and spirit; lively :
Grandmother's more alive than most of her contemporaries.
5.
having the quality of life; vivid; vibrant:
The room was alive with color.
>>70036580
we have definitions for what is and isnt alive. the point is, starfleet would have trouble figuring out if data was actually alive or not because he was manmade. thats it. lets say he fits the parameters. okay then hes alive. but is he really alive, or was he just designed to fit the parameters? thats the thing. eventually starfleet agrees that he in fact alive and not just a cold machine
>>70036580
"It's" means "it is".
>>70036737
Shut up, nerd. Don't make me steal your lunch money again.
>>70036672
i guess they came to the logical conclusion that if things have certain parameters are alive certain parameters then even an artificial object that fits those parameters must be alive
>>70035863
DPC.
>>70036672
Starfleet's official stance is that Data is a machine who may or may not have a soul (if souls exist) but since he met 2/3 of the qualifications for """sentience""" he gets to not be a slave for the time being.
>>70035872
Modesty. Another of her myriad virtues.
>it's a "Syrians bomb the embassy" episode
Subtle, Enterprise writers. Really subtle.
>>70033716
This is more a plot hole/inconsistency than anything. They make such a big deal of how hard it is for Data to experience emotions as an AI and how dangerous the chip can be, then they start making it so the holodeck can shit out fully self-aware AIs who effortlessly act human
>>70035872
Because last time I posted one some autist chimped out in all caps
>>70037716
Post it now.
>>70036764
oh man. the sky was exploding and the lights went out. now theres just heavy rumbling. im back, but i think we pretty much finished the data discussion
Why didn't Data just make another Lal?
If I've never seen star trek before and don't know very much about it, is TOS or TNG a better place to start? Should I watch them all in order or skip around?
>>70033716
Holograms were made to be service bots, they aren't supposed to be on long because they take up a lot of energy (usually ship's energy). They also tend to be confined to one area, due to the demands of the holographic projections.
There was an episode where they left the Doctor on and he almost went mad because he was so alone.
>>70038133
Why can't they transfer the Doctor's program into an android body?
>>70038131
All of it in the order it aired except Voyager, which you should probably watch later.
TOS --> TNG --> DS9 --> ENT
>>70038131
If you can handle the cheese then TOS is better, but if you cannot then try TNG. Skipping episodes is not recommended for *any* series, unless you absolutely cannot stand hammy acting. If you find early TNG too corny, then you can skip ahead to TNG season 3, but again, it's not recommended. After your main course of TOS and TNG, save DS9 for dessert.
>>70038234
Because the doctor's program is a hologram, and if you put that in an android it would become more useless because it would just stand there.
If you put its mind into an android like Data you could get away with it, but now your Doctor is going to be playing pool and exploring the world when you need him to fucking take care of your space herpes.
>>70038131
it really depends. i started with tng reruns. then i became so interested that i watched the whole thing. then i watched the other series whole. maybe skip around tng or ds9 until you feel like you want the whole package. i would personally say to hold off on the original series. its good, but its very different to what star trek became
>>70038067
Can Data reproduce sexually? He claims he's fully functional.
>>70038343
>put its mind into an android like Data
That's what I meant. I don't see how his overall personality would change if his program were given the proper connections to control an android body.
He's always been quite dutiful, as has Data.
Reminder that Star Trek Online is canon.
Reminder that they lost holograms as real people in that series, including EMH.
Reminder this means this question has already been answered.
>>70038375
He fucked the short-haired blonde back when she was alive.
You know, the rape gangs girl.
>>70038352
>>70038375
>Data, is this real semen?
>Indeed, Tasha. My father, Doctor Soong, placed his cryogenically-frozen sperm in a stasis unit located in my testicular facsimiles. Technically speaking, I could father my own brother.
>>70038446
>they lost holograms as real people
you wanna elaborate? cause im having difficulty understanding what the hell that means
>>70038446
>>70038446
>Reminder that they lost holograms as real people in that series, including EMH.
Explain. Which series?
ST:O being canon comes from what? Rod Roddenberry's approval? CBS?
>>70038446
This is bait.
>>70038446
>>70038493
>You know, the rape gangs girl.
So he's beta Data.
>>70038493
>>70038507
>>70034634
But holograms work.
>>70034731
>>70038516
>>70038529
Sorry, typing on my phone.
I know that EMH was granted the rights of a sapient being, he's a "person" now and given all the protection that brings.
I might be misremembering exactly what they said about holograms in general; it was either "some holograms are people, too!" And "holograms are now used extensively for offensive and support roles."
I'm led to believe it's the latter, because when your ship takes damage and you lose crew, holograms fill in the empty chairs until you either patch up the crew or get more at a station.
This was all in ST:O, which is treated as canon.
>>70035276
>theyre not. the doctor only became sapient because he stayed on for years and it fucked up his programming
Exactly, it was the number of sub-routines that determined sentience, which the Doctor gathered more than a normal hologram over time and during that little hologram rebellion episode the holograms they captured couldn't be given freedom as they had too few sub-routines.
>>70038672
>This was all in ST:O, which is treated as canon.
Only by you.
>>70038554
I love your posts because you are always right.
Thank you for post.
>>70038672
oh okay i see. i was about to reply asking what the fuck youre talking about. you mean they consider holograms to be sapient in sto, so that means the question as to holograms living has already been answered. too bad nobody questioned that
>>70037716
The thing with the doctor is that he is a copy of a real person and has the processing power of the computer core, all talk of souls and life aside, him being able to experience emotions easier than Data is obvious.
>>70038964
Being designed to look like Zimmerman doesn't make him a copy and also what about Moriarty who was only ever a fictional character
>>70038253
>>70038279
>>70038363
I think I'm just gonna go balls deep in TOS. I'm a huge twilight zone fan so hopefully I can stomach some cheesy old-school SF
Oh, wow, well done Voyager.
Another excellent title for a late-season snooze fest. And a fitting one at that.
Time to break out the oxygen tank and halcyons, we've got work to do.
>>70039174
Was there any concern shown over any flights?
If sufficient neural complexity implies sentience, does this devalue humans?
If we admit that the Doctor or Data are human, what does that say about us? As humans, we can appreciate art and comprehend mathematics, fall in love and contemplate one's own existence, things that seem to separate us from nature.
If we grant Data or the Doctor human rights because their programming is sufficiently complex like ours, are we devaluing ourselves?
Are we claiming we are no more than mere machines?
Humans often spin a narrative that we have qualities that transcend nature, like having a soul (or the ones mentioned above). We consider ourselves unique masters of the natural world. If we are mere machines, properties of nature, do we dismiss our own humanity?
>tldr
are we all just fuckin complex robots? no soul n shit?
>>70039136
You won't be disappointed.
>>70039136
You will be disappointed.
>>70039174
We name things.
>>70039299
>Berman and Braga.jpg
This is my The Gift to you.
>>70039136
You might be disappointed.
>>70039222
Star Trek isn't about these issues. It was originally more of an action/adventure show.
>>70035937
>skipping episodes
>>70039222
Your moral protestations notwithstanding, well..
>Pic related
Also, don't forget that we evolved from what we consider inaminate or inert objects.. that's the fault line.
Treell?
>>70039508
Fuck off Crichton's mine
>>70039202
Yes, no, and maybe.. (SO?!)
>>70039564
Your kind is linear, corporeal.
>>70039583
worst post ever made to a trekthread
>>70039611
I've seen worse but you're right, that's definitely up there
>>70039907
>>70039611
Thank you, thank you.
Screencap it then use it as an OP like Concerning Flight anon.
>>70040077
>Concerning Flight anon
That was just a spook.
>>70040150
;)
>>70040150
Just like Kira's mom
>>70040186
If they orb of time could change the past in some way, as suggested by that episode, why the fuck didn't some random Vedek use to go back in time and stop the Cardassian occupation with a virus or some shit?
>>70039222
Yes it devalues us to our actual worth.
An enlightened materialist society like the federation should be able to handle such a devaluation however
>>70039605
Speak for yourself.
>>70040223
Will of the prophets ;^)
>>70040223
The occupation isn't just the men there with rifles, say you kill those men, more will be shipped in to replace them and they will be much meaner.
>>70040267
aren't the Q linear lifeforms as well?
>>70040267
>>70040357
>God
>Linear
>>70040422
the Q can die and gods are incapable of dying since they're immortal
ergo Q=!gods
>>70040466
worst post ever made to a trekthread
>>70040466
>Omnipotent gods are the only kind of gods
That's some heavy Abrahamic baggage you've got there.
>>70040557
He also doesn't seem to be omniscient.
When he shows up on DS9, I seem to recall he doesn't immediately know that O'Brien is present.
>>70040646
He's omniscient when he wants to be and not omniscient when he doesn't want to be.
When traveling with Vash, he didn't want to be omniscient, so he wasn't.
>>70040681
Out of curiosity, where is this stated? Because in most episodes he must have it turned off.
Curneth, DON'T!
>>70040466
q can die if he is killed by OTHER gods
>>70040732
It hasn't been stated yet, but it will be stated in the future.
>>70033716
Why aren't there any butch EMHs?
>>70040732
When you're an omniscient god-like being, it's probably good to have your omniscience turned off most of the time just to bring a little uncertainty to your life especially for Q's like Q who are bored of their lives and seek excitement.
>>70040910
> Andy Dick had many other friends who were excited to hear of his upcoming role. "I have many friends who watch the Star Trek shows religiously," he explained. "They were all psyched when I told them that I was doing Voyager." (The Official Star Trek: Voyager Magazine, issue #18)
Memory Alpha makes the claim that Andy Dick has friends.
Wikipedia does not.
>>70040759
>we've implanted a computer virus to wipe all traces of our ever being here
>we can't be remembered because of pheromones we emit
Gul Dukat is the best character in the entire franchise y/n
>>70041039
>"What if I replicate a pencil and write a note on a piece of paper?"
>"Then I will be forced to erase it."
>"What if I use a pen instead?"
>"Then I will be forced to erase you."
Good job, Voyager writers. Really compelling, truly menacing.
>>70041563
DS9 episode 1:
>"Don't go in that wormhole, Dukat. The Prophets will get you if you do."
>"Please, Major, everything will be fine. AAAHHH, IT'S NOT FINE, SOMEBODY SAVE ME, AAAAAHHHHH."
DS9 episode 130:
>*wheezes* "I cannot al-low hyou to let THOSE SHIPS hinto the Al-pha Quad-rant, Dukattington!" *laughs maniacally*
>"Please, Benjamin, everything will be fine. AAAHHH, IT'S NOT FINE, I NEED MY ZIYAL, AAAAAHHHHH."
Space Hitler --> Space antichrist --> Space Rasputin
>>70041661
>it's an "Anon watches ENT before DS9 and gets confused about how Section 31 was originally portrayed" episode
Was Sloan a holographic spook or just a regular spook?
Remember when enterprise became sentient and had a baby
>>70042030
>Story By: Brannon Braga
Not canon.
Does anyone have that tumblr comic saying TOS was racist because it was full of white men and the only black womyn answered their phones?
>>70042384
Pls no
>>70042421
It's utterly absurd and either demonstrates just how stupid millennials are or is a master of trolling.
>>70042492
You're a millennial. Shut up and let the thread die.
hey guys. long time no see. still finishing up that thesis but will continue with tpol pics after its done in a few weeks i hope.
>>70033849
of all the shitty variations I've encountered of this, I think that the quotations match perfectly, although I find it hard to fit Garak in a single category
>>70042595
Suck my cock, white boy.
>>70042626
A-are you a Chula Master anon?
Just wondering, that's all.
>>70042611
I missed that episode (your thesis). Care T'Pol (cough) to poll us for research?
>>70042611
These threads have been much more pleasant without all the arguments you start. Please stay away.
>>70042646
I'm anything you want me to be.
>>70042723
Keep writin' dem stories, Benny.
We need ya' brother Benny.
>>70042698
the butthurt, man. the butthurt in you.
>>70042768
He's right, though, except they aren't arguments they're just trolling and then bringing up the results of your trolling in the next thread trying to start your own memes that never stick.
>>70042698
implying i started anything
I do find it interesting how the T&A character T'Pol, is one of the few to call out T&A not being a suitable replacement for good writing.
>>70042801
Just look at this picture of her from 2004.
Does this look like CGI or human?
Could've fooled me had I not known before hand.
>>70042698
What a stalker.
>>70042698
What arguments are you talking about? I don't recall T'Poster arguing
>it's a covert PETA episode
>>70042834
her body was ridiculously inhuman anyway. no body fat, outie belly button, those lines on her neck from how thin she was.
>>70042917
yikes
>>70042698
>h3 productions™
>stop the hate
>>70042626
>>70042646
Can any shapmaster here give me advice on how to beat the hidden thirteenth shap? I took the shap's amulet and now there's a wizard trying to kill me, and apparently I'm supposed to offer the amulet on an altar to my preferred deity? I tell you, when I was a kid, they didn't make shaps like this.
>>70042910
this was just a rehash of the tng episode where the aliens abduct them in their sleep. so many episodes were just redone plots from previous series.
>>70042910
God damn I wanted Janeway to snap and torture each and every one of those fuckers.
Did they even mention what the research was supposedly for? Actual animal experimentation has a purpose, that just seemed to be a cunt for the sake of being a cunt.
>>70042917
>Be sex appeal character
>Have mormon haircut
>>70042969
yeah it was basically just "imma stick needles into your brain because raisins"
>>70042994
>sex appeal character
>is the most lankiest character in star trek history
she's almost thinner than that 2 dimensional species
>>70043050
Amerifat detected
>>70042994
>T'Pol has Mormon hair
>Phlox has Mormon wives
>Archer replaces mainstream Vulcanism with Mormon Vulcanism by pulling new Surak writings out of a hat
Coincidence?
>>70042994
they subtly redid her hair and ears in season 2, but it still looks better than having it long.
>>70043076
i'm native north european tho
>>70042910
Ah yes, I remember those ' phase shifter research lesbians '
Another shit ending on an okay episode
>"Who says deus ex machina is an outdated plot device?"
— Captain Janeway
>>70042969
it's just a representation of what PETA believes medical experiments mean
>>70043120
Sami?
Hows reindeer piss this time of year?
>>70043171
i don't partake in our culture, mostly because it's dying due to global warming
>>70043119
I hate when beautiful women mutilate themselves by injecting their chest and lips with a bunch of shit.
Also, women whose bodies look vaguely similar to some skinny teenage boy's are not appealing unless they have a very feminine and pretty face to offset it.
Here's her with T2 star and future drug derelict Eddy Furlong.
She looks a lot more natural.
>>70043207
Fuck, no more Santa soon.
All the pagan rituals will die in your lifetime.
Feels like someone broke the Prime Directive on Europe.
>>70043227
i'm ok with fake tits and botoxed dsl lips.
>>70043227
She really does.
>>70042960
I don't know what to tell ya', 5th shap here and I feel like I'm stuck on the end of me Klon Paeg.
Might want to consult with the weirdos over at r/ChandrasRoom for more help.
>>70043288
>>70043342
>>70043288
>>70043259
>>70043365
>>70043366
My favorite part about that episode is after the Hirogen "commandant" tells his troops that he's reached an agreement with Janeway, that hologram Nazi convinces the Hirogen on the right side of that picture to disregard the orders and continue the hunt by explaining Nazi symbolism to him. That's the power of NatSoc.
>>70043425
Danke schien!
>>70043425
honestly, much hotter than jeri ryan and her fivehead in her prime.
>>70043425
I wouldn't hit that, but i'd watch her piss and play with her ass.
>>70043454
>Believes in JC
>Let me get nude real quick for a buck
>>70043496
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
-JC
>>70033849
At least switch Kira and Sisko and we have a deal.
Kira has killed so many people she doesn't even know anymore while Sisko had this 1 slip.
>>70042785
this still getting posted?
>>70043492
lol, he was such a good Nazi the first time around they brought him back in Enterprise.
>J. Paul Boehmer
All makes sense now
>>70043542
soren is eternal
>>70043492
>It's a Spock says that there is nothing wrong with National socialism, just the cult of personality that surrounds it episode
>>70043690
Always cracks me up when people come in here and try to argue that Star Trek is a 'leftist' show
All the best episodes are heavily redpilled
>>70043690
Kirk has a very John Krasinski look on his face there.
>>70043738
are you being intentionally self-delusional? only ds9 was a politically right-of-center show, all the other ones have the rodenberrian progressivism, plus some blatant sexual issues he injected into the mix.
>>70043836
DS9 also did it more-or-less unintentionally.
Friendly reminder that Quark was right about Ferengi society.
Just wrapped up DS9.
I found it pretty funny that even the writers admitted that Miles liked Julian more than his own wife.
Just watching The Gift.
Is it ethical that Harry Kim is basically trying to fuck 7 of 9 the second she is broken from the collective?does he ever get laid? It just seems like one turn down after the other
Actually there's a whole bunch of weird ethical dilemmas in regards to sex on Voyager, is fucking Kes pedophilia?
>>70046123
>Is it ethical that Harry Kim is basically trying to fuck 7 of 9 the second she is broken from the collective?
No. She does not have the emotional and social maturity to give informed consent. Fortunately, Harry realizes this in a later episode and backs off.
>Actually there's a whole bunch of weird ethical dilemmas in regards to sex on Voyager, is fucking Kes pedophilia?
Yes, Neelix and Paris are pedophiles.
One of the Voyager writers must be into some weird shit. In a few episodes Naomi Wildman will show up, and she is yet another rapidly-aging ayylmao, so she will also become "mature" before she's mature. "Adult body, immature mind" is one of the central themes of Voyager.
>>70043836
>only ds9 was a politically right-of-center show
That episode where Archer premeditatedly pirated a civilian science vessel and left it stranded in deadly space after stealing essential components was really progressive
>>70033716
There's a whole little plot in one of the TNG seasons where they want to dismantle Data or something.
Also when Data becomes a fully human crazy cat droid in that flash forward at the end he's total asshole
>>70043738
It was critical of socialism from the perspective of a kind of post scarcity communism. The federation is communist af, their overall needs are tailored to their technology which is peddled as an answer to most problems. They establish that not everything can be replicated tho and that establishes some of the alternative economies outside of the federation that get properly explored in DS9. While TOS is less like this you might notice the highly militaristic culture and austere bowl cuts. Also the bigger role of perfectly rational Vulcans.
So the culture in Trek for the most part is super left wing, and where you see criticism of parallels to current culture (like China or USSR) it's for being too right wing if anything.
>>70046445
That happened a couple of times in TNG Rascals most obvious). Wtf Star Trek
>>70046123
yes harry gets laid a lot, what with being one of the most beautiful people ever. a magazine said so. he alsogets space AIDSkek
>>70048020
good morning /pol/
>>70035872
Jokes on you, she's got the pasta you posted.
>>70049131
so progressives "took away" the right to vote from whites and men to give to blacks and women? they "took away" medicine from the young and healthy to give to the elderly after retirement? yeah i guess only young able bodied white males deserve to "have" anything right. progressives "took away" natural preserves from, again, white males to make national parks because they belonged to them right?
why do you even watch star trek, friend?
>>70049063
That's a Gul Dukat pasta, you ignorant newfriend tourist.
>>70049062
Captain, if your much-vaunted Federation is truly so high and mighty, then tell me about your sexual organs.
>>70049063
Summers here, it's tourist season.
>>70033849
Who are the Lawful and Neutral evil characters? What did they do?
>>70050108
Lawful Evil runs an interstellar empire which opposes the Federation. Lawful Neutral is the Space Pope, and tried to assassinate her opponent during the Space Pope election.
>>70050490
If this is the sort of post that you have been reduced to, then even you must know that your argument is not worthwhile anymore.
>>70034495
>TOS
11/10
>TNG
7.5/10
>DS9
6/10
>Voyager
4/10
>Enterprise
2/10
>>70048020
>implying that leftism isn't about actually taking back the money and wealth that was originally stolen by the "haves"
Taking from theives isn't as bad as stealing.
>You will never get to see Bryan Singers' Star Trek series
>>70051109
Good. The Era of Star Trek Pedophilia ended with Voyager.
>It's a come to Quark's, Quark's is fun, come right now, don't walk, run! episode
Why did they all get so mad over a little adver tisement?
>>70049063
You'd think that if she had time to put on makeup she'd have time to comb her hair.
>>70052170
>/pol/ still gets butthurt about a woman having sex
>that one guy in star trek threads who always thinks he's arguing with one guy and flies off the handle
Concerning.
>>70052170
I'M PROGRESSIVE
JUST GIVE ALL MY SHIT TO RANDOM PEOPLE AND FUCK MY WIFE JAMAL
>>70052397
Are you alleging a spook?
>>70052361
I know it must be frustrating to you to be a member of the master race and not try to think too hard about the fact that according to you the jews control everything which makes them the actual master race.
But getting butthurt over the internet won't change that. You could try to become a productive member of society instead of being the literal niggers of the white race.
>>70052631
>Implying they'd have any clothes without whitey donating them to charity
worst star trek thread ever posted to 4chan
>>70050490
>>70050822
>>70051041
>>70051320
>>70052102
>>70052170
>>70052361
>>70052631
Please refrain from posting non-Trek memes in a /trek/ thread.
If you want to import foreign memes, please at least go to the trouble of Trekifying them, e.g. >>70043738.
>>70052710
Don't talk to me or my shap ever again
why is /pol/ in trek threads now? who let the edgy twenty year old white males in? we have a long tradition of poiting out ferengi are jew but thats about it. otherwise, trek is very tolerant and our threads dont devolve into pol anti black posting. have i been gone that long?
>>70053827
This new /pol/ poster arrived recently with the Star Trek Beyond hype. Hopefully they'll leave after the movie tanks.
/pol/ish Star Trek was fun to joke about. Kardashian Propaganda and Eternal Andos and all that were good for a laugh. But now that we have someone actually trying to push the conservative line in /trek/ threads, it's killing us.
>>70054139
Keep telling yourself it's just one of us, and that we're new, and that we'll leave
Your resistance will just make our occupation all the more painful
>>70054315
And playing wormhole alien tricks with my images won't help you either
>>70053759
>this Wadi's Chula only has 7 shaps
>only 7 shaps
>S E V E N
>only 7
>not even 8
Get on my shapping level, shapleb.
>>70054315
jesus fucking scooby h christ. did you discover 4chan last week? are you still in middle school? how many guy fawkes masks do you own?
youre fucking ridiculous, kid.
I don't care what you say.
It wasfun
>>70054315
Shut up, /pol/ cancer. This is /trek/, not /who/. Don't post memes unless they belong in /trek/ threads. For example:
Hey /trek/. I don't mean to sound like a racist, but...
What the hell is up with Klingon youth? I ask this because of a few events that happened this stardate. I was sitting in my Starfleet Academy class this afternoon when a klang sounded at the door. Mind you, this took place about a half hour AFTER class started. Lo and Behold the person charging the door at ramming speed was the only Klingon student in my class. This is the first time this week that he actually showed up for class, and he sauntered in like he was early for class. He took a seat rather noisily and basically caused the class to pause until he settled down and finished honoring his house.
Class continued as normal until assignments were handed out. That is when he started to speak. My god, /trek/, I have never heard a more blooddrunken, braggarty person speak in my life. I couldn't understand a damn thing coming out of his ridiculously bearded mouth. The few things I DID understand were him klingsplaining the difference between "honor" and "glory", and his apparent hatred for Romulans. After the misunderstanding was cleared he then went on about how "medallious" his baldric was until the class ended. During the class he also claimed that the name "Bird of Prey" is a metaphor.
So I ask this of you /trek/, why can't Klingons learn to speak and/or pay attention? Why do they care more about their 5-bar of latinum "crest of courage" (probably replicated) than learning? In the Academy this semester there are at most 47 Klingon students, and 90% of the ones I've been in the same room with could fit right in with the racial stereotype.
>>70054747
Forgot pic
>>70054649
>>70054753
>It's a newfags who have never seen the image switching bug pretend to be oldfags while saying things like "jesus fucking scooby h christ"
>>70054825
jesus fucking scooby h christ, youre so edgy. post more.
>>70034284
Competition.
For fun!
>>70034284
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>>70055220
deep shit 9 is better term
>It's a Garak tries to stop the Dominion War before it starts but Worf stops him episode
He should have made a tapestry of this scene and draped it over Jadzia's coffin
>>70055341
I saw someone use 'Voyagerm' recently to describe VOY fans, which was great. 'Deep Space Nine' so so cumbersome in and of itself it's hard to find an elegant insult
>>70037748
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/69554955/#q69567726
>>70055434
Do Voyajerks even exist anymore? I thought they were all BTFO by Bryan "The head Voyager writers didn't even like Star Trek" Fuller.
>>70055634
Wow that's pretty terrible. You were right to feel ashamed of that.
Ezri has no good copypasta.
>>70055669
dont say that or the ds9 crowd will have a shitfit and bitch about "that one poster" who likes voyager so always starts fights about it
>>70055434
I think it's just that people who don't like DS9 are lacking an imagination as well as taste
>Deus Nein-ers
>Terok Normies
>Muh Propheteers
DS9 is best Trek and I'll be linking you back to this post if you end up using one of them because I was right about you lot.
>>70055341
Ebin
>It's an Odo ducks a blade instead of letting it impale him then turning his torso into steel so the blade gets stuck fight
Are we going to have to wait for holodecks for gratuitous use of special effects in TV?
Did you watch voyager?
>>70056875
The only ones I haven't been able to bring myself to watch are Enterprise and TOS
>>70056924
>TOS
>can't bring ones self to watch
What the fuck man why?
>>70057029
Misttyped TAS, TOS is solid
