ITT: Talentless Hacks
>>70032733
How are we supposed to post all the wannabe patricians and autists on /tv/ with this post limit?
>>70032733
Roland Emmerich
>>70032827
>lil b
Dropped
Me
>>70032827
>Kana Hanazawa
Smoked
http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/george-r-r-martin-the-rolling-stone-interview-20140423?page=4
>Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Tolkien, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Tolkien can say that Aragorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?
>The war that Tolkien wrote about was a war for the fate of civilization and the future of humanity, and that’s become the template. I’m not sure that it’s a good template, though. The Tolkien model led generations of fantasy writers to produce these endless series of dark lords and their evil minions who are all very ugly and wear black clothes. But the vast majority of wars throughout history are not like that.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3110466/Game-Thrones-creator-defends-rape-scenes-Author-says-dishonest-boring-leave-sexual-violence.html
>'But if you’re going to write about war, and you just want to include all the cool battles and heroes killing a lot of orcs and things like that and you don’t portray [sexual violence], then there’s something fundamentally dishonest about that.
how could one man be so based?
>>70032854
based
>>70033264
orcs dont have babies, what a fucking hack.
>>70032854
>the sight of their arousal was arousing
>>70032854
>like a constipated fat man straining to shit
at least he writes from experience
>>70032733
You
>>70032733
He sure has a talent for making money
>>70033867
that is a pretty funny line
>>70032854
I don't remember those lines
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/grrm-has-no-pages-1750057530
>>70033264
There are 10 times as many lines about fucking and shitting, and 100 times more lines about eating than there are about taxes in GRRM's work.
Reminder that GRRM is a draft dodging pacifist pussy who thinks "metaphor for nuclear weapons" is a good substitute for the bad guys, and is now suffering from depression because a bunch of HBO hacks ruined his terrible twist he's been dreaming of for 25 years.
>>70032854
Fake lines lol. wat
>>70032827
>lil b
fuck off
>McCarthy
>DiCaprio
>talentless hacks
>>70034333
>Fake
I wish
Notice that ever since the D brothers stopped following the books the show had become structural sound. People only hate season 5 and 6 because they're not adapted from the books. Everyone I've talked to who doesn't know what happens in the books likes the new seasons.
>>70032854
GRRM doesn't even measure up to other fantasists like Clark Ashton Smith or Lord Dunsany much less the literary canon.
>>70034231
Reminder that the superior author was a door gunner in Vietnam, a decorated soldier, a 33rd degree Freemason, a graduate of the Citadel and a man who enjoyed hunting, fishing, sailing, poker, chess, pool, and pipe collecting. Pipe collecting.
>>70034333
>>70034107
t. showfags
>>70034383
>Lynch
>Gira
>Godard
>Anno
the list is very obviously bait
>>70032827
Tarntino????
REALLY???
the guy makes great movies and he uses his forumla well, you cant expect everyone to be able to go through multiple formulas and be able to master them, some people stick to what they know best and make amazing things with it
>>70032827
>Basquiat
>Hack
>>>/pol/
>>70034619
>tarantino fags are posting on /tv/ now
reddit pls
>>70032827
>warhol
>brakkage
>two sworn enemies with completely different views on movies as art
pick one m8
I find it ironic that anyone posting on this board has the audacity to call anyone else a talentless hack.
>>70033264
>"By 1917 all but one of my close friends were dead."
>bloated draft dodger wants to criticize this man's depiction of war
>>70034738
but who else but us?
who knows a man better than himself?
who would be better suited than /tv/?
enlighten me.
>>70033867
It is an accurate description of what being in the belly of a ship sounds like.
>>70032733
Yeah, Martin is definitely a talentless hack.
What's worse though is he actually makes people dumber, with his claims that "ASoIaF is a realistic depiction of the medival world", making them think that that period was all grimdarkness, rape, and violence when it was anything but.
And then he criticizez other writers for being to fantasical, when litteraly every single thing about his series is complete bullshit, down to the very fact that westeros whould have no major conflicts on a continental scale ever.
God I hate him, perhaps too much for my own good
>>70032827
>David Lynch
Somebody hasn't seen The Straight Story.
>>70034796
This.
>>70034796
>fought for king and country in the horrors of the Great War and witnessed the fog first hand and watched as his fellow brave young countrymen were slaughtered by the score
>mocked by a lazy fat slob who can't even be bothered to finish his equally bloated fantasy series after twenty years
>while he wrote his masterpiece in just three short years
disgusting
>>70034139
what do you do more? eating and shitting or filling up tax returns.
chakemate athiest
![ja8in6v5pdoacvyglous[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dviiJJV.jpg "ja8in6v5pdoacvyglous[1].jpg")
>>70034518
MY
FUCKING
LAD
>>70035080
>>70034796
>war veterans in charge of writing best fantasy
>>70032827
>Zorn
Well fuck you too, i guess.
>>70034593
What the fuck does putting "t." in front of shit even mean.
>>70035232
Sometimes, you need to write prose in the style of Northern epics in order to escape the reality that the world around you is becoming shittier every day.
Other times you just need to make a really long metaphor for "nukes are bad, kids" and put in rape and dragons...
>>70035302
its finnish autism
t. /int/
>>70032827
it's kinda sad that someone's mind is occupied with entertainment this much, that they'd take the time to compile and make this image.
>>70033264
>GRRM is so illiterate that he hasn't realized literature can be realistic or not
>>70032827
lynch and bannon are two true originals. literally revolutionized their respective mediums
>>70035232
the guy who wrote Le Morte D'Arthur in the 15th century was not only in wars but a convicted rogue and villain who committed actual rapes, ambushes with intent to murder, assaulting a monastery and cattle-theft and escaped prison multiple times and even he wrote an endearing tale of noble knights, chivalry and so on where the bad elements of mankind are actually recognized as destructive and base and not glorified like this fat fuck does.
>>70032829
Emmerich is an auteur. He made kaijukino before the world was ready.
>>70035302
I was told it's an /int/ meme, means "regards"
>>70032827
90% of this image is spot-on
this image is actually remarkable - an incredibly knowledgeable person compiled this, even if 5 or 6 of these are wrong
especially fuck damo suzuki
Tolkien probably saw himself more as a modern mythmaker than a novelist. And he was fantastic at that, what happened to Fantasy afterhis time wasn't his fault but he did inadvertently cause it. All of a sudden every fantasy is about the "Dark Lord" rising and the copy/paste hero's journey. The East and South are places of mystery and wonder and the whole thing is set in a pseudo-medieval secondary world where magic rules and technological advancement is halted.
Say whatever you want about GRRM's views on war or his portrayal of the pseudo-medeival society but at least he isn't copy/pasting Tolkien like every other High Fantasy author has been doing since the LOTR books came out.
>>70038798
>but at least he isn't copy/pasting Tolkien like every other High Fantasy author has been doing since the LOTR books came out
>technological advancement in Westoros has been halted for over 10k years
>the East and North are places of mystery
>the Cold Lord rising and the copy/paste hero's journey of Jon Snow
What was that some sort of not clever bait? Were you even trying?
![checkum[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tm0sI42.jpg "checkum[1].jpg")
>>70032827
>dubs man
>hack
Pick one
>>70038871
you ruined perfectly gr8 b8 m8
I hope youre proud of yourself
>>70038798
>he isn't copy/pasting Tolkien
No, he's copy/pasting Robert E. Howard's Hyboria
>>70032827
>kanye west
by far the best/most creative producer rap/hip-hop has ever seen. List is quality but kanye isn't just a meme no matter how much people try to make him one
>>70032827
add zack snyder
>>70038939
>implying there's really any difference between Middle Earth and Hyboria
You know that Aragorn and Conan are basically the same character, right? Not that I'm fucking complaining though.
>>70034619
>guy makes great ACTION movies
call me when he makes Titanic 2: Nigger Lover Edition
>>70032827
>Diciprano
top kek
>>70038798
No, he's copy pasting history books with a few minor tweaks
>>70038939
Aragorn is the same character as Conan, the thief, rapist and reaver?
JJ Abrams
>>70039319
>the Cimmerians are descended from Atlanteans that escaped the flood
>the Dunedain are descended from Numenoreans who escaped the fall
>Conan is a big barbarian with black hair and grey eyes
>Aragorn is a big ranger (barbarian who lives off the land and fights orcs) with black hair and grey eyes
>Conan becomes king
>Aragorn becomes king
There was an article that I had bookmarked that summed it up much better than I could, but it's 404'd now. They aren't literally the same, obviously.
>>70034518
>Pipe collecting.
Literal reddit hobby.
I don't care what he did irl, Wheel of Cucks is an even shittier series than ASOIAF.
>>70033264
Tolkien:
>It was Sam's first view of a battle of Men against Men, and he did not like it much. He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the men's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil of heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would rather have stayed there in peace.
GRRM:
>"Asha draped the furs across her bare shoulders and mounted him, drawing him so deep inside her that she could not tell who had the cock and who the cunt.
>>70038798
He's copy pasting Robin Hobb.
>>70032733
you can accept this kind of statement from a talented guy, wich is not the case.
>>70038971
no
>>70039513
>>70039485
>over looking hunting, fishing, sailing, poker, chess and pool
>decorated vet compared to GRRM the draft dodger and his high and mighty hippy dippy stance on war
Worst case scenario, they're the same kind of shit. Way to hone in one small facet of the guy and ignore everything else, fedora man
>>70039623
>hunting
Terrible "sport" of bored idiots who like killing too much. All recreational hunters should be sent to jail. He probably does it because he thinks it's "classy".
>fishing
The same but even worse meme "activity".
>sailing
Whatever
>poker, chess, pool
What's to admire about that? half the prison population engage in these hobbies.
He just sounds like one of those tryhard cunts that read articles like "10 most manly hobbies".
>>70039742
>Terrible "sport" of bored idiots who like killing too much.
wew lad, you're calling other people reddit?
>The same but even worse meme "activity".
Ah I see, your father abandoned your worthless ass when you were a baby and thus never taught you to hunt or fish or sail.
>>70039815
>all that projection
Sorry for having actual intellectual hobbies instead of pathetic stone age shit that involves needlessly killing animals, or sitting on your ass for hours.
>>70039917
>instead of pathetic stone age shit that involves needlessly killing animals
I see, you have gone full reddit! I know you guys are big fans of GRRM and think "Hodor=Hold the door" is the greatest twist ever, but real men disagree.
>>70034231
>terrible twist
hodor?
>>70032827
>Talentless hacks
>No Hack Snyder
>all these /lit/ rejects from /r/books defending GRRM
>>70039742
Speaking of tryhard cunts. What the fuck do you have against hunting, fishing and stimulating your mind through poker, chess and pool? Seems a refined gentlemen such as yourself would enjoy such pursuits.
>>70039742
>talking about Robert Jordan in the present tense
I think you're shitposting too loudly son, take your foot off the gas there tiger
Why does he dress like a 1900's paper boy?
>>70040337
Same reason autists wear fedoras, they think it makes them "classy".
Also he probably has the worst balding pattern in existence, considering his disgusting beard.
>>70033264
>. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?
did he even fucking read any fucking Tolkien at all?
>>70039513
Grrm truly is virgil of our times
George is good at some kinds of world building. What I noticed is more or less absent from the show is the history and details of all these minor houses and knights that makes the world seem deep. He's no master of prose, but at least his writing isn't pretentious. Storm of Swords was a fun book with a lot of good scenes, and if that's the high point of the series it's still better than a lot of chosen one fantasy.
>>70039541
How does he get away with it?
>>70040648
>the history and details of all these minor houses and knights that makes the world seem deep
it's not deep. it's bloated.
>>70040676
Some people like the details, world building is a talent.
>>70040570
But aragorn implied he would genocide all the orcs though. He's not a very good person
>>70040699
rewriting the war of the roses does not require that much talent
>>70040715
orcs don't have babies. and yes, all 100% of orcs are evil.
yes, it's simple and maybe stupid, but it's how it was.
>>70040648
They were directly lifted from the war of roses. The fat fuck only changed the names
>>70040648
>>70040699
>Some people like the details
There's something called "The Law of Conservation of Detail" that is necessary for a healthy narrative, and which GRRM has obviously never heard of.
The amount of shitty irrelevant details is distracting from the ones that are important. GRRM treats his his books as D&D player guides.
>>70040615
I DARE you to tell the difference:
>Roman, remember by your strength to rule
>Earth's peoples—for your arts are to be these >To pacify, impose the rule of law,
>To spare the conquered, battle down the proud.
>Men call me Darkstar, and I am of the night
>>70032733
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDY7zBgcTZU
>>70040676
Fair enough, hence the "seem"...I'd love to read some gritty fantasy with that sort of actual depth.
>>70040699
Ever heard the phrase "mile wide and an inch deep"?
GRRM can come with all the House names he wants when even the most prominent ones are ridiculously simple (the Lannisters are the richest house and have been for thousands of years...because they have a lot of gold mines)
>>70040767
Oh fuck that's it
I love D&D player guides
Oh God no
>>70040805
Trick question. All the lines are from metamorphosis by ovid
>>70040725
What a stupid thing to say, as if shakespeare did not rewrite a few historical events himself.
>>70032827
>Jacob Bannon
Oh I am triggered
>>70040753
No I meant that the answer grrm was looking for was already in the book which means the fat fuck didn't read them.
I thinks he's complaining that there wasn't a detailed account of the orc genocide, the edge cunt that he is
>>70040767
The narratives are fine and the details are scattered about, you wont find the entire history of a house in a single chapter, it is spread out across the books.
>>70040889
Shakespeare re-wrote them grrm copy and pasted them
>>70040885
Yes, and I can hardly tell the difference between Ars Amatoria and >>70039569
>>70040935
No it's a fair criticism, tolkien put on the kids gloves to sell books.
Tolkien is a better writer the GRRM sadly he held back and the silmarillion is far better than the hobbit or lord of the rings.
>>70040959
No, you clearly don't understand the law, just like GRRM. There's a staggering amount of gratuitous detail which makes it hard to figure what's important and what's not, what you need to remember and what won't matter at all. Robert Jordan has the same problem but he has it even worse. They both suffer from lack of editing.
>>70034846
>when litteraly every single thing about his series is complete bullshit, down to the very fact that westeros whould have no major conflicts on a continental scale ever.
can you explain?
>>70040753
He did start to have second thoughts about Orcs being 100% evil iircc
>>70041070
Sure I do think the book could use better editing, it's really a minor flaw in the grand scheme of things though.
>>70041084
How many continental scale wars did Europe see before Napoleon? Westeros is bigger than Europe.
>>70040980
You must be a complete idiot it you think ASOIF is a copy paste war of the roses.
>>70041084
GRRM said that Westeros is about the size of South America.
>>70032733
He may not be a great writer in terms of structure / grammar and language and whatnot but he is still undoubtedly a damn good story teller
>>70041058
>silmarillion is far better
The silmarillion is an index organized chronologically. It makes for appalling reading
Let me flip open a random page:
"Thus all seemed well with the fortunes of Maeglin, who had risen to be might among the princes of the Noldor, and greatest save one in the most renowned of their realms. Yet he did not reveal his heart ; and though not all things went as he would he endured it in silence, hiding his mind so that few could read it, unless it were Idril Celebrindal. For from his first days in Gondolin he had borne a grief, ever worsening, that robbed him of all joy : he loved the beauty of Idril and desired her, without hope."
It's like trying to listen to a concert behind a brick wall. I don't know much of the how or the why, and that's what novels are for.
>>70041191
*you could say the 7 years war was continental in players even if the fighting on the European landmass itself was geographically limited
>>70041084
The scale of westeros, settlements and the population numbers simply would be to hard to wage a war on that scale
>>70041159
In Game of Thrones the 'filler' doubled as subtle window dressing, giving you the tone of the world. I get very little rise out the filler in the later books, though. I can't even tell you what the Free Cities look like, for instance.
>>70032827
> David Lynch
> Park Chan-Wook
> Jean-LucGodard
> Coen Bros & Corma McCarthy
> Brian De Plama
> No justification
Yeah, get fucked
>>70041264
I get what your saying, but you could do that with any book and you would struggle to comprehend what was going on.
If you read the silmarillion in chronological order; it makes complete sense
>>70035466
even more pathetic when you consider they did it either as bait to prove how cool and contrarian they are, pretty embarrassing for whoever made it.
>>70041404
No, the whole thing is referring to details that aren't there.
In what instance of the whole book are we able to describe a character's character? We don't know how any of these people 'are', except in cases where we're told "the dwarf was greedy". Thanks, John.
>>70041264
His stories in the silmarillion are much more compelling the his other book, like the Tale of the Children of Húrin, he shows us greatness in tragic characters. It's a level of writing much greater than what he came out with in the hobbit and lotr
>>70041521
It's incomplete. Look at children of hurin great characters but you wouldn't know it if you read the short in silmarillion
>>70041345
So you're not a person with much interest in detail, doesn't mean other people won't like it.
>>70041569
He makes a great outline for a tapestry or perhaps a backstory for a tabletop RPG. To read it's a chore, because it's almost all bulletpoints, pre-digested. There's nothing to relate to.
>>70041606
Detail has to have content, otherwise it's just another flower.
>>70032827
Why are people so upset by this list, they realize it's bait right?
>>70041691
I'm not sure what the problem is. It's a 3rd person account and yeah some parts skipp around rather quickly. I don't see what the Chore is.
>>70032827
/tv/m/a/n here, I give this a solid 3.5/4.
>>70041827
There is plenty of content even if his writing is rather superfluous, I really don't find it such a huge chore, like some of you people acting as if reading a few extra pages is just like shoving a pineapple up your ass.
>>70041111
I know, but we have to make do with what we got, don't we?
>>70041898
>>70041960
The whole thing is constantly introducing you, and you never get any scenes. It's hard to find a page with dialogue.
>>70032733
GRRM is a good character writer, but is horrible at writing actual plots. He can make characters tick and resonate and can write good character arcs, but when it comes to actual storyline or world-building he is absolute shit at this.
He always relies on exponent to drive his books. MOAR characters to explain previous plot developments and characters. MOAR territories and factions to explain what's going on. MOAR macguffins to deal with existin ones. Problem is, the more you add the books, the more you have to deal with and since GRRM is bad at dealing wioth such things, it all has snowballed into such a mess that it's probably better to abandon the series altogether.
>>70042005
have fun bro
https://tranceworldnow.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/children-of-hurin-j-r-r-tolkien.pdf
>>70042084
Course I've read that already. It was about as good as a Thomas Kinkade painting.
ASOIAF > GoT
LOTR movies > LOTR books
Tolkien got cucked by Peter Jackson. GRRM remains uncucked by Benioff and Weiss.
>>70032827
>elliott smith
FITE ME U LIL BISH
>>70033264
>What was Aragorn's tax policy?
SOMEONE PLEASE KILL THIS FAT FUCK
>>70035232
War tends to give you your fill with reality.
>>70032827
>Gen Urobuchi
>hack
Nignogs clearly can't into Kikokugai.
>>70032733
>"Hold door"
Pottery
>>70034113
I've been ignoring these threads mostly, but holy shit I don't think I've been triggered harder by a webm in my life.
Is there anybody with a more foolproof and insidious defense to criticism than Martin? Every, EVERY critical thrashing anyone gives ASOIaF he just retreats behind 'WELL IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORY' or 'WELL REALISTICALLY' and that shuts down the argument, but even worse, brainwashes an entire generation of retards into believing GoT is even close to real medieval history.
>>70039742
Reddit post of the day
>>70032827
I can not agree with Jean-Luc Godard and D. W. Griffith being on this list. Otherwise pretty much correct with a few questionable positions.
>>70044879
>Godard
>not a hack
come on dude
>>70034619
out of them all you picked literally the biggest hack of them all
>>70035681
lynch has probably made 5 bad movies for every good one
>>70039541
You can tell right away how the farseer trilogy was written by a woman trying to immitate what she immagines honour is though.
There's not a man in this world except for maybe the cuckest of turbocucks who would act the way the protagonist in the assassin trilogy did.
>>70044890
he was very innovative at his time and changed french cinema, also not the best argument but still
>In a 2002 Sight & Sound poll, Godard ranked third in the critics' top-ten directors of all time. He is said to have "created one of the largest bodies of critical analysis of any filmmaker since the mid-twentieth century." He and his work have been central to narrative theory and have "challenged both commercial narrative cinema norms and film criticism's vocabulary."
>>70032827
I need Bob Dylan on there. Fucking mumbling hobo with a harmonica and banjo overlay to hide his incompetence
>>70032827
i don't see how David Cage fits into this.
Your definitions of "hack" and "talentless hack" imply that the people on this list have at least enough talent to make one good movie/game/novel, but then repeat the same formular over and over.
David Cage never had any talent and never made a good game. Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy is easily one of the worst games ever made, and Heavy Rain was obviously done by a ghost-director but they put David Cage's name on it for some reason.
>>70044938
bait
>>70045597
Heavy Rain is also awful so it counts.
>>70032854
>now, let's compare this fantasy novelist's most infamous lines to the most famous lines in literary history to see how they stack up
>>70034440
Literally nothing makes sense in the show now. Season 5 was boring, season 6 has entertaining episodes at the expense of them having no real reason to exist. You're probably baiting, because no man could possibly believe the retarded things you believe.
>there are people who read GRRM for his prose
Lmao, I like the books and even ill admit his prose is shitty at times, but his plots and his world building are good desu
>>70032827
>Beat Takeshi
> Kanye West
> Hideo Kojima
> Coen Brothers
> Based God
> Hayao Miyazaki
> Christian Bale
> Kazimir Malevich
> David Lynch
> Talentless
> hack
b8
>>70032733
Dunno GRRM seems like a very creative guy who for some reason stopped creating.
>>70041847
You overestimate the IQ of people here. It's something just above room temperature, and I say that sincerely.
>>70033264
Hahaha, oh God. Is he a retard?
>Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple.
But it was that simple. If your king was awesome, your country prospered like fuck. Sounds like a butthurt democrat.
>>70039513
ITT: Cherrypicking
>>70039541
MOAR
>>70042139
>LOTR movies > LOTR books
no
>>70032827
>dan barrett
>>70032733
>>70041228
North America
>>70032827
add seijun suzuki
What constitutes a good writer then?
What makes good world-building?
What makes good characters?
i might try my hand at writing.
>>70034846
>And then he criticizez other writers for being to fantasical
>Fantasy
>To fantasical
Wat.
