This series, while having few truly brilliant scenes, suffers from multiple issues:
I think some of the scenes are very lackluster, like the scene where james, maddy and donna sing an extremely generic song about love. such a pointless scene. also the scenes that are about the love affairs of james are not particularly good either.
In addition to that, some things are simply poorly executed - when Harold Smith cuts himself with that gardening tool, you can very easily easy huge lamps of red color at the end of that tool, and some of the red color got to his face before he even got to cut it - which made the scene look obviously fake and not reliable. the issue has been repeated with james guitar playing and windom earl flute playing - it looks too obviously fake.
Then there are some story consistency issues - the Psychiatrist was convinced he saw Laura and that she was still alive when he saw maddie dressed as laura, but at the next episode he suddenly forgets about it completely as if it wasnt a big deal.
And also, i'm not at the end of the series yet but i feel like the scenes that were supposed to feel powerful and mysterious lost their touch a bit at the current streak of episodes im at. there was something magical about how they were done in the earlier episodes that i feel like doesn't hit as hard.
I will still keep watching it because i want to know how the story goes, but, i think the series has ALOT of flaws in it.
I'll add a few more issues i had with this series -
When they first show the body of Laura at the first episode, losing her felt truly powerful, i cried thinking about the grief of dealing with losing a person you loved. but, at the current episodes im at the series, people keep dying all the time without other characters in the series being emotionally hurt about it nearly as much as they were about laura.
Also i dont agree with some of the values presented in the series - they made a decision to bale a murderer because he was a "respectable member of the community" which is just silly
How in the world could you think that singing scene was pointless. The looks James and Maddy were giving each other, Donna freaking out at the end. It was the next step in that triangle storyline the three had, how James was seeing Maddy as Laura.
Yeah, that hook thing was bad but there's stuff like that in every show.
>>70023321
I think that was kind of the point though; Laura's death was the catalyst of the series and her shadow hung over the town for a while afterwards. Everyone loved her and she was a huge part of numerous peoples' lives. If every death was played the same way then that would take some of the drama away from Laura's death and make it less tragic and important. Plus, who in the town gives a shit about the Renault brothers dying.
Sorry you're not enjoying the series all that well.
>>70023234
I don't know if its intentional or not, but the way Twin Peaks feels is that like one of those adult swim sketches; it starts off like something normal, in this case a soap opera, but with a weird disturbing twist. You're not really suppose to care about the happenings of the town folk, you're waiting for the creepy stuff to happen and to read into the subtext.
>>70023234
>I think some of the scenes are very lackluster, like the scene where james, maddy and donna sing an extremely generic song about love. such a pointless scene.
This is how I know you're a silly person.
That scene is ART
>>70023603
It felt like a very pointless and eh scene to me.
As i said though, i did not particularly like the james love affair scenes anyway, it felt super cliche to me and not nearly as interesting as some other things in the series
And im not just talking about the renault deaths, when i look at Laura's mother after laura died and after her husband died, for example, her grief after laura died was so much greater, it feels like she recovered too fast from the death of her husband.
same thing with the death of maddie, people recovered from it really, really fast.
And i do enjoy certain aspects of the series, i think the story that did not involve james was for the most part interesting, and some of the "surreal" scenes were absolutely brilliant especially in the earlier parts of the series (i'm not at the end yet though im pretty close, so idk how the end scenes are like)
It's just...a very inconsistent series to me.
>>70023845
I'm not a silly person i just have a different opinion than yours. i did not like that scene (or the song they played there)
>>70023234
>like the scene where james, maddy and donna sing an extremely generic song about love. such a pointless scene
I think you entirely missed the point of the series.
>>70023979
Not liking a certain scene doesn't mean i missed the point of the series.
>>70023234
>the scene where james, maddy and donna sing an extremely generic song about love.
The ultimate test, this scene. If you don't get or enjoy it, the series is not for you, it's that simple. It's at once satire as well as genuine sentiment, just like the series. It's perfectly executed, sweet, and strange.
>>70024122
But i did like other things about the series. i just really did not like that scene. also I'm sorry but aside from the fact i did not like it, the scene is objectively not perfectly executed - I play guitar for 9 years and the way james has been using his guitar looked incredibly fake and not well synched with the playback.
>>70023234
>>70025093
I actually just finished episode 16 today, the one who made this chart thought that from this point it gets better
>>70024031
>dream-like ambient
>playback singing creating a vague sense of unreality (a common element on David Lynch's work)
>over the top melodrama
>sudden change of mood when BOB appears to Maddy
That scene encapsulates all of Twin Peaks. If you didn't acknowledge that, it might be 2deep4u.
I must agree that the series is flawed in many respects, though. The second season suffers from a noticeable decline in quality after the identity of the murderer is revealed, but the finale makes up for most of it. Hopefully you'll like it.
>>70025093
never noticed the blue rose in the background, ha.
>>70025357
Plus early Lynch singing/music
His first of two recent albums a few years ago was really good
>>70025446
>>70025357
Nope, i did not think the scene was dream-like and i think the fact it was so obviously a playback was simply the scene not well executed.
It's not too deep for me, trust me. you are talking with a person that regularly enjoys pretty deep pieces of art, though usually in the form music (i'm a /mu/tant actually).
I just thought it was a bad scene. leave the fact the way james played looked fake, that is not the core of what made the scene bad. in my opinion if the scene was completely removed from the plot, nothing would change. its a scene that is not necessary to the story in any shape or form. furthermore the song in my opinion is simply not a good a song.
its not too deep for me i just dont like it, anon.
>crazyaga now posts on /tv/
oy vey
but really tho if you made it till episode 16 then keep watching till the end
>>70025609
Of course i will, i want to know what happens in the story.
also as i said i dont think it's a bad show, just inconsistent. it's sometimes bad but also sometimes really good
>>70025535
>It's not too deep for me, trust me. you are talking with a person that regularly enjoys pretty deep pieces of art
4chan banner when?
>>70025710
btw isn't it night time in Israel?
>>70025748
It is
>>70025535
>i'm a /mu/tant actually
And I bet your threads there are just as qualitatively relevant as this one here.
By not getting that the scene was done exactly as they intended it to and not realizing it's aesthetics and instead calling it "not well executed", you basically admit and show that about 60% of the show goes above your head.
Face it, you reached the pleb filter and you did not make it through. Now go be an idiot and a cancer to boardculture somewhere else, tripfag
>>70025535
It's very important that you 'get' that the 50's was really, really important to Lynch.
It is pure pastiche, just like the silly teenage detective stuff...it's pure 50's stuff...heartbreak songs from the 50's are an integral influence to this scene.
Lynch is literally trying to convey his 50's childhood experiences to you in this scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQrgeeS_qbo
>>70025535
>the scene was completely removed from the plot, nothing would change
Ok, how old are you. I refuse to believe you are older than 18 years.
>>70025775
You are being really mean anon, for no good reason.
I request, please be nice towards me, thanks.
Now, i highly doubt the out-of-synch play of james was just a "intentional part of the aesthetic" because such a thing doesn't contribute anything at all to the scene other than making it look more sloppy then it could have been. did they intend for the scene to look sloppy and not well executed? come on now, we both know it was poor execution.
You see, even if you like this scene and i don't, it doesn't mean i don't understand it. its just that we have very different tastes. i think its a bad scene, you think its a good scene. that's all there is to it, no reason to be mean~
>>70023234
I've only seen a few episodes so I can't adress your criticisms myself but I'll just say this. no matter what you criticize about something directed by lynch, /tv/ will just respond with "you didn't get it, that's the point". this board blindly sucks lynch's dick. everything he makes is a flawless work of art. it's pathetic but if you try to call them out the only argument you'll get is "lol 2deep4u pleb".
>>70025864
And? i still did not enjoy that scene.
>>70025889
There was absolutely nothing immature about what i said, i just expressed my opinion. the scene did not contribute to the overall plot at all.
but i will answer you. i'm 21
>>70025972
>Now, i highly doubt the out-of-synch play of james was just a "intentional part of the aesthetic"
Someone has that "you got lynched" image?
>>70025972
>did they intend for the scene to look sloppy and not well executed
Yes they did. Face it. You have no idea about what Lynch and co were up to.
>it doesn't mean i don't understand it.
Alright, lets hear it then, what do you think was the purpose of the scene. I'm looking forward to your reply.
Everything has flaws. It's what it does right that is most important. Mostly the town and the people in them. I could go on but I don't want to type that much.
The main thing for me is that TP is the only show that had drama and mystery in it that actually made me care. I don't go for drama shit usually and the only mystery type thing that ever did anything for me were the sherlock holmes books.
There are flaws with TP, but it didn't stop me from wanting more, or enjoying it.
Clean my clothes Shelly.
>>70026086
Well if it was intentional, which i still doubt, it was still a negative thing in my opinion.
But that out-of-synch playing was not the major flaw of the scene - as i said earlier, the song being pretty bad and the fact the scene is super unnecessary to the plot and could have been utterly removed with no negative consequences , are much more major flaws.
I genuinely did not enjoy that scene
>>70026086
here senpai
>>70026074
Then it's save to assume you haven't seen much of Lynch's work. I suggest you watch Wild at Heart and then come back.
>>70026186
The point of the scene was to show the intensifying negative emotions of Donna as she thinks there is something going on with james and maddie. the scene was probably referencing love-show cliches by playing an extremely generic love song in the duration of that scene.
And still, it doesn't change the fact it was a bad song, and it doesn't change the fact it was completely unnecessary to the plot because the negative emotions of Donna are already prevalent enough in many other scenes of this love triangle.
>>70026263
Holy shit kill yourself.
>>70026074
It's fine that you didn't like it, but it is a pivotal scene to Twin Peaks and how it plays with meta commentary on television as whole and Lynch's childhood memories of television.
I've seen the whole series twice and you have no idea how rewarding a second, later-in-life viewing is...you have to look for much more than 'the straight story' here.
Twin Peaks is highly psychological and metaphysical.
It already changes a lot if you don't just view it as just another tv show and see how it is at it's core Lynch's idea of a soap opera.
The sometimes downright cheesiness is fully intentional.
comfy
https://youtu.be/kPyaH-xZSfI
>>70026371
I do not know other work of Lynch, but it doesn't change the fact i did not derive enjoyment from that scene, and the fact i did not like it.
What he has done in his other works, i highly doubt it will suddenly make me enjoy a scene i genuinely did not like
>>70025513
Heh, I'm not sure how I feel about Lynch singing, but his music is definitely groovy.
>>70025535
>i think the fact it was so obviously a playback was simply the scene not well executed
As I said earlier, playback singing is an element recurrently used by David Lynch to evoke a sense of unreality (Eraserhead, Blue Velvet, Mulholland Drive, etc.), so I don't see why this isn't the case.
>>70026425
You completely missed the essential aspect of the scene. The Lynch-momentum which is using kitsch, trash, to the point of intentionally bad craftsmanship as a FRONT to transport something that cannot be pinned down as ironic or serious, but which oscillates between those.
The song was "bad" on purpose, the artificiality of the setup was "bad" on purpose. The emotions the characters displayed however were intense. This was intended and damn well executed.
You did not get Lynch. You are a pleb. My guess is your taste in music is shallow as well. But considering your age I don't even feel like blaming you.
>>70026425
Don't you think everyone acts incredible out of character...this is a mise en scène, its all about the intent.
The importance to the story is marginal, but it's importance in a way is visual.
Lynch is establishing not just a mood here, but a whole scala of elements like the irrational sentimentality of the scene, the cinematography, the child-like interpretation of love by the character.
This is important because the interpretation of Laura Palmer and many of Twin Peaks's seedy characters is breaking the reality of this idyllic 50's throwback to love.
ONE of the most important elements of Twin Peaks...the break of reality and the acknowledgment of some primordial evil inside.
He spells this out even clearer in Blue Velvet.
>>70026439
I understood very early into the show that it tries to play on referencing soap-opera cliches. but in the scene with that song it's not well executed. the fact he referenced something doesn't make the scene good.
(and btw, with the love affairs of james, its simply soap-opera cliches with all honesty.)
>>70026527
It did not evoke any feelings of "unreality" to me, it just looks sloppy.
If watching poorly executed playback looks surreal to you, that's up to your subjective view i guess.
To me "surreal" was scenes like the dreams of agent Cooper, or his visions with the giant. not a poorly played playback.
>>70026488
It just went over your head. You will also stay an idiot with a narrow horizon for ever, if you believe that education cannot open you up for appreciating art. You are a pleb for life and should just stop posting already.
>>70023234
How's life in Israel you fag
>>70026707
>keeps repeating himself over and over with "the scene is not well executed" and is blind to any argument or explanation.
I cataloged you under "idiot" now. Thanks for playing.
>>70026640
>>70026702
Even all of those things were done in purpose, it does not change the fact the sum of this parts ended up in a scene i did not like and did not enjoy. if he tried to use bad craftsmanship to enhance some of his concepts, he failed in my opinion since the whole scene just harmed my enjoyment from that episode.
I do not enjoy hearing a bad song for a few minutes, even if it's intentional.
I do not enjoy looking at a poorly played playback.
And no, the scene did not feel surreal or "breaking reality" to me. if his intention was to make the scene feel surreal to me, he failed.
>>70026813
He's a self absorbed Israeli cunt who thinks he's an expert on all topics, plus he's an avid Reddit user
>>70026880
Art is not there to entertain you, you dumb asshole.
I'm beginning to think you lied about your age. Or I hope it for the sake of your school system.
>>70026880
When you see this trailer, do you understand that it is an intentional parody of the 50's, but also equally intended to be like a 50's movie without trying to be ironic?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiRa7qrL5rY
>>70026742
First of all please don't be mean towards me, thank you.
If a certain artist had some intentions in his piece of art, but it resulted in a piece of art that is not enjoyable, then in my honest opinion it's simply bad art.
Having high ambitions doesn't make something good.
Also calling me someone who "doesn't appreciate art" couldn't be more wrong, you are talking with a person who loves art, it's just that i don't love all art, there are some artworks that i do not like because i think they are not enjoyable - like the scene we are talking about.
>>70026813
I was not blind to your arguments or explanations, i just said that even if the creator had the said intentions, it doesnt change the fact that the sum of his intentions was still a bad scene.
>>70023234
Never watched an episode, just wanted to post this.
>>70026880
How fucking full of yourself are you? It's not Lynch that failed since there are loads of people who completely got and enjoyed what he did.
You are the dumb idiot that failed to get Lynch.
You probably wouldn't 'get' Kubrick as well or PTA, but yeah I guess they were also incompetent to cater to autists with no knowledge of the craft.
Fuck off.
>>70026964
You are wrong.
Art is actually all about entertainment.
Entertainment doesn't have to be just "fun", you know. being emotionally involved with a piece of art and experiencing complex emotions as a result is also a form of entertainment.
>>70026975
Well, how many times do i have to say this. if something was done by intent, it doesnt automatically makes it good.
>>70026985
Fucking lowlife.
>>70026985
Humor me, what is good art you enjoy, you underage faggot?
>>70027075
You are talking with a guy who was professionally diagnosed as gifted 3 times, i'm most likely much more intelligent than you.
Lynch failed in that scene in my eyes, because its a scene i did not enjoy. that's my own subjective experience. for you, if you enjoy that scene, that FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, lynch succeeded.
quality of art is subjective, not objective.
>>70027080
>Art is actually all about entertainment.
Stopped reading right there.
End yourself, you human shitstain.
>>70027178
>You are talking with a guy who was professionally diagnosed as gifted 3 times, i'm most likely much more intelligent than you.
>>70027150
Give me a good reason to show you a piece of art i enjoy.
Looking at your attitude towards me, it might just be that you will say it's bad regardless of what i'll give you just because i'm the one who gave it to you.
>>70027178
>You are talking with a guy who was professionally diagnosed as gifted 3 times, i'm most likely much more intelligent than you.
>>70027150
he likes godspeed you black emperor lmao
>>70027178
>diagnosed as gifted 3 times
Top kek
Is that the Jewish way to tell your kid it's autistic? I bet the doctors were family or friends of the family.
You goddamn autist.
>>70027080
Well, you have a hard sell as the arbiter of what 'good' is...who knows, you're 21, maybe in a few years you will be haunted by your displeasure of this scene and can't stop obsessing over it.
This is a lot of what Twin Peaks is to me...I am haunted by the overall experience.
It's a very shitty thing of me to ask, but roughly how many films to you think you have watched in total?
>>70023234
i think that the series has dated poorly, but it still has an ethereal charm. while i admire that many people can enjoy it and are very enthusiastic about the new series, i find very little in the old one to cling on to by way of entertainment and found myself really bored rewatching it recently. the melodrama was simply dire.
the things i did like about Twin Peaks were the spooky bits directed by Lynch. my favorite sequence of the entire series is when Leland walks into the office at the lodge singing a show tune and the brothers start dancing.
Just popping in to say that Crazyaga is a notorious and highly hated /mu/tant tripfag who's made countless threads in the exact same manner as this one on that board.
Nobody knows what's wrong with him. Maybe he's a gimmick poster. Maybe he's on a whole other level of post-irony. Maybe he's genuinely mentally damaged.
In any case, don't respond to his threads. The only reason he's made a thread on /tv/ is because nobody's paying attention to him on /mu/ anymore. Peace.
>>70027192
Instead of trying to provide your argument to show me why you think i wrong, you resort to swearing me.
I was objectively right, though.
>>70023234
You really must understand an time when this was made, you can thank to this show that today's television is for mature audience, this show competed against Dynasty, Santa Barbara, Perfect Strangers etc....
Alf was considered edgy at the time.
(dont mix movies with tv, back then TV was total trash, if some movie actor would show his face in some tv show , he was considered an total washout)
Also, it was a time when most CEOs & execs were coming down from tons of coke they snorted so their judgement was kinda borderish .
Twin Peaks aged badly, but it is an cult show that makes fun even from itself,
real TV talent back then was in Europe(Monty Python,Black Adder, Poirot etc...), and movies were shitty, today US movies are shitty but TV is absolutely best in the world and EU finally showed they are capeable to make briliant movies(Ireversible, new wave from Denmark, eastern Europe etc).
Let the sleeping dogs ...
>>70027217
Know what, I'm not even remotely interested in you showing me one anymore. You'd just embarrass yourself even further.
And you really just bore me at this point. Another deluded idiot for my filter list.
So long, clown. And do your family a favor and go have some psychiatrist look at you.
>>70027294
Ahhh...thanks I suppose, it's not a total waste of time, we got to talk about what is for most of us a very memorable scene and we may have learned a thing or two from our respective viewpoints of that scene.
>>70027319
>I was objectively right
You idiot just keep on giving. Holy shit. I'm done here.
>>70027366
delet this
>>70027244
And the argument that you try to present by swearing me is.... ?
Oh, you just try to belittle me instead of providing actual proper arguments. okay then.
>>70027254
Good is subjective. if you enjoyed that scene, that's good for you. ~
I'm not a film guy, i did not watch too many films. as i said earlier, i'm mostly a music fan.
>>70027366
It all makes sense now. Thank you.
>>70023234
And OP, you sure as hell have Aspergers. Go gas yourself.
>>70027366
AHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHA!
>>70027178
>You are talking with a guy who was professionally diagnosed as gifted 3 times, i'm most likely much more intelligent than you
Okay, this HAS to be bait.
>>70027371
Nothing i posted in here was deluded or showed im in a need of psychiatrist.
I'm actually an extremely reasonable person, and while i have suffered from depression in the past, i feel very mentally healthy right now.
>>70027462
Ah, in perspective...I have watched nearing 3000 arthouse films and have been involved with film making and I barely know anything about music.
Would you say it would be fair to say that my knowledge and thus understanding of the craft is 'more expanded' like it would be with you and music?
>>70027413
You still dodge giving an argument. ok.
>>70027482
I do not have asperger.
>>70027557
I knew exactly this kind of responses are very likely to show up when i wrote it, but be assured it was not a bait.
I was merely honest and said the truth, even though i knew people will question the truth since i cannot prove it directly through the internet
>>70027178
>You are talking with a guy who was professionally diagnosed as gifted 3 times, i'm most likely much more intelligent than you.
>>70027561
mate. quit it. you're being baited. very few here are interested in actually debating the merits of the show. some are, but not most. don't take it personally. lots of kids and shit posters here.
>>70027561
>I'm actually an extremely reasonable person, and while i have suffered from depression in the past, i feel very mentally healthy right now.
Lol, you are one funny cripple. Do you still look like a fat disappointment?
>>70024031
yes it does
you completely miss what Lynch is doing
>>70027625
>>70027660
Samefag.
You are pathetic.
>>70027602
It would be very fair.
But considering i judge things by how much i enjoy them (again, enjoyment can also be things like bliss, or complex emotions being evoked), and considering i did not really enjoy that scene, there is no reason for me to say that the scene is not bad.
>>70025535
>It's not too deep for me, trust me. you are talking with a person that regularly enjoys pretty deep pieces of art, though usually in the form music (i'm a /mu/tant actually)
it was a b8 thread all along
>>70027178
>>70027670
That picture is merely cherry-picking of a few things that were done literally years ago. and you know, many of them are not even "embarrassing". nevertheless, it doesn't paint a picture of who i really am or who i really was.
>>70027720
The second person you quoted wasn't me.
>>70026488
how about you watch at least 5 films of a director before giving your shitty opinions about his works?
>>70027683
If you're so smart friend, tell us the point of the series without googling.
>>70027178
And how much did your parents pay for those diagnoses?
>>70025535
>(i'm a /mu/tant actually)
reminder that the radio heads aren't deep
>>70027683
i think you have stumbled upon a really good argument. if an artist creates a work that is intentionally dubious in terms of craft, and his audience finds the work to be dubious and reacts negatively, has the artist succeeded with his art or has he just created something shitty, whether intentional or not? way i see it, shit is shit, no matter who shat or what the shatter says about the shit, mate.
>>70027814
I judge only what i have seen. i think this is extremely fair.
and by the way, considering the subjective nature of opinions about art, don't you think you claiming my opinion is "bad" is ridiculous?
>>70027873
Not a relevant question, and not a question i know the answer for either.
I got accepted to a high-level gifted class in a boarding school outside of my city when i was younger, due to those tests
>>70027670
The veil has been lifted.
This was a secret cringe thread all along.
>>70025093
>>70027178
Oh fuck this is so good
>>70027842
it's been explained better than I can multiple times itt
>>70027670
>AiC are better than Nirvana
NOPE
>>70027930
>3 - 6 mad sketchy
delete this
>>70027979
t. Harold Smith
>>70027956
If you can't explain something you don't understand it.
>>70027927
uninformed opinions are shitty opinions
how can you even discuss Twin Peaks if you don't know a single Lynch movie?
that's like discussing math without knowing what a goddamn multiplication is
>>70027930
Nah
>>70027178
>You are talking with a guy who was professionally diagnosed as gifted 3 times, i'm most likely much more intelligent than you.
holy shit my sides. this is good thread
>>70027879
Some of their work, especially in albums like Kid A and Amnesiac, was fairly deep especially for a band this popular.
I'm not saying it's the deepest or anything like that, but there was certain depth in there.
>>70028078
It's not the same thing at all. you see, the quality of a certain piece of art can stand by itself, not dependent of other pieces.
I judged what i saw, which is the most fair way to judge things. if you judge Twin Peaks by other Lynch films, you are essentially judging things that are not actually there.
Imagine Twin Peaks was the only series David Lynch has ever done, would it have been suddenly worse? i dont think so.
>>70028048
you can't explain artê, famiglia
you either pass the pleb filter and get it or you don't
>>70028172
>but there was certain depth in there
elaborate
>>70028228
I think albums like the ones i mentioned have an aesthetic and emotional complexity that is not often found in other artists that reached this level of this popularity
There are bands who did deeper things, but they are not as much in the public eye as radiohead are
>>70028176
Nah. You're one of those kids who pretend to "get" things to try and fit in with the grown ups. Leave this site now and come back after five years, kiddo.
>>70028172
you can't imagine that tp was the only thing lynch has done because in fact it is juat another fragment of his oeuvre and contains themes present in many of his movies
you won't understand breathless unless you know what came before it, and you won't understand fassbinder unless you know what sirk was doing. art doesn't exist in a vacuum.
>>70023234
The only problem with the show was James.
>>70028314
nah
i get a love supreme but i don't know why
i don't get schoenberg and i don't know why
>>70028435
>i don't get schoenberg
wow didn't know it was pleb hour
>>70028379
But Twin Peaks is still a series that stands on it's own, and therefore it can and should be judged on it's own.
the fact it contains themes that are repeated in his other movies doesnt mean twin peaks couldn't stand alone as a piece of art.
The fact art doesn't exist in "a vacuum" doesn't mean it should be always judged by things that are not actually there.
It's more than fair to judge a show based on the content that the show actually contains, you know.
>>70028406
Jame is a major problem, i will agree with that. not the only one though.
>>70028473
exactly my point
i'm a modern classical pleb so i don't pretend that my opinions aren't completely worthless
>>70023234
>And I wasn't even born yet when this show aired
What did OP mean by this?
>>70028546
good to see a decent person once in a while around here desu
>>70028510
ok, you can think of tp as a standalone piece, not knowing shit about lynch or cinema in general and have an uninformed and limited opinion or you can go deeper, try to understand lynch and multiply your enjoyment
this is all very basic stuff in life in general
>>70028650
What if in another show that was not done by David Lynch someone would play a guitar in a sloppy way and out-of-synch with a playback, would it still be good then or is it good only when the name "david lynch" is attached to the name of that movie?
i just want to make things clear
>>70028798
well, I will leave this pointless interaction now but before that I'll recommend you to see Mulholland Drive
godspeed, autismo man
That's one more idiot added to the filter list.
>>70023234
If you don't like the guitar scene, you don't get Twin Peaks. The show goes over your head!
>>70028899
Double dubs are always based.
>>70028893
There is a chance that a good part of the reason you choose to leave now is because i provided a really good argument.
Thanks for giving me recommendations, but i do not appreciate the way you referred me in your comment.
>>70028798
not the guy you replied to, judging something by itself is good, but you should also put it in perspective you know, keeping into account the author's earlier and later works, the time when it was released and so on
>>70028933
Not everyone enjoy the same things.
not enjoying something can be a result of the fact people derive enjoyment from different things. its subjective.
It has nothing to do with me "not getting" something.
>>70028988
That's not how i judge things. i judge things by what they actually are.
>>70029030
well you know what? I'm glad you're doing it because we need people with a different point of view than ours, I might not agree with it but I'm glad they're there. I just hope you give the method we showed you a chance tbf
>>70028949
No, don't watch Mulholland Drive, that's later stage Lynch...watched Blue Velvet, similar in tone to Twin Peaks in a lot of ways much more condensed...if you still don't pick up on the psychological themes in Lynch's work, follow it up with Slavoj Zizek's analysis of Blue Velvet.
Freud and Jungian dream theory is so ridiculously important to watching Lynch, you need to at least have a wiki level of understanding to just watch his stuff with the mindset that it is ALL intentional...even his 'happy accidents' he fully acknowledges as important, intentional parts of his filming practice.
crazyaga, what did you mean by this?
>>70029102
The fact you are being nice towards me unlike many others in this thread is appreciated.
And i will tell you something -
I'm really not a fan of alot of music from the 60's, which results in me rating alot of music from the 60's pretty low.
i'm not a fan of the overall, common aesthetic of that era. the fact i listened to more and more albums from that era, did not change my feelings towards the albums i did not like. having the context that im "listening to 60's aesthetics" did not suddenly make me enjoy the said aesthetic more, that's how i currently feel about it
(There were 60's albums that i liked alot though btw, like Hot Rats or A Rainbow In Curved Air)
the show is shallow and vapid
it's legitimately meaningless and boring
people on here only wank about it because it's entry-level "weird" and their parents told them it was cool
that's essentially half of the fans, the other half being the parents i just mentioned
they go online and give it good ratings and then their baby sheep use those ratings and reviews as reference
is this the worst Twin Peaks thread that has ever been on /tv/?
>>70029402
>sheep
>>70029402
I disagree.
While the show had some shallow moments, it also had some absolutely brilliant and surreal moments. it had both of them. that's why i feel like the show is inconsistent
Also i'm not a parent and my parents i doubt my parents know about twin peaks.
not really being edgy or autistic
there's a huge sheep mentality on tv, fa, mu, v, etc.
everyone just posts for affirmation so they can feel ok about what they like
it's fucking embarrassing and ridiculous
like these people are so insecure they need other people to tell them what's "good" or ok to like
idk it's really no surprise that insecure losers flock together online in hopes of belonging
>>70029559
You hugely exaggerate things.
for the most part, people just like whatever they truly like. that's why you can see a very large diversity of opinions in many threads
>>70029559
But I don't want to get called a pleb by these people on the internet anon.
>>70029406
afaik yes
this nigga a either turboautist or the most meta post-ironic memer (90% sure it's the first)
>>70029614
idk man
doesn't it just seem like every thread is either a circle jerk or someone posting "I LOVE X TELL ME IT'S GOOD" or "I HATE X AGREE WITH ME"
wy do you think it's such a competition on here for people's favorite things to succeed or fail
people desperately want to feel like their decisions are good
that being said i'm sure there are people who just disregard bullshit and genuinely like what they like. they're the same people who have reasonable discussions about stuff.
i think that's quite a minority though
>>70029701
The truth is neither.
i'm just a fine person in the very flawed internet community that is 4chan.
>>70029715
Expressing your opinion and saying whether you think something is good or bad is basically, part of the point of having a board like this.
>>70029701
ngl this guy seems pretty reasonable and normal
i think you might be the autistic one
>>70029821
this dude is known for his extremelly autistic behaviour in other boards though
>>70029821
If you think this >>70027178 isn't a sign of autism, then you might be autistic too.
>>70030018
You think the standards of 4chan in regards to what counts as a symptom of autism is anywhere near what would be considered a symptom in the reality that is outside of the internet?
lol.
Everything i said in the post you quoted is alright.
>>70023887
Maddie was from out of town an wouldn't have conjured as much grief as Laura's death.
>>70030351
James and Donna still formed a strong relationship with her...
I mean, you provided a pretty fair point but i still think the grief wasn't enough
>>70023234
I didn't bother to read your post, but I too share the opinion that there's many things wrong with the series. Some episodes are pure filler, and the switching of directors makes it very incoherent.
If both seasons were compacted to 10 episodes in total, and all directed by Lynch himself, it could be a really good series.
But it just isn't. It's decent, but it's not good.
>>70024266
and the fact that its clearly not james' actor singing the song.
it's a ridiculous scene and its super cringey but i always felt that was the point
TALENTLESS HACK
>>70027930
objectively wrong
>>70023887
With respect to people not caring about Leland and Maddie, there were implications that Laura was a little bit magic and that's why literally everybody in the town was wild for her. Also, Leland was a fucking child molester and was abusive towards Sarah as well when he was under BOB's influence, so you can rationalize Sarah's lack of reaction that way.
>>70030853
>and the fact that its clearly not james' actor singing the song
It's Lynch
>>70030853
he's credited towards singing the song on the Season 2 soundtrack
>posting with a trip
opinion discarded
