What are the greatest mistakes that Marvel have made in their cinematic universe?
Pic very related. Every time I think about how good it would have been, it actually cheapens almost all the other movies.
>>70008308
It's his fault for taking ten years to make it
Iron man 3.
Bad movie.
Stuck between trying to be serious or being a comedy.
Turned Tonys archenemy into the butt of the movies joke.
Wastes Guy Pierce's talent on a shit villain.
Literally only made a shit load of money because it was riding on the coattails of the Avengers.
>>70008308
Shouldn't have taken 8 years to start working on it. And the changes they made worked a lot more for the movie than Wright's version
creating the whole fucking thing
it's all trash you pleb
The Marvel formula just isn't very filmmaker-friendly. Just do what you're told, collect your paycheck and fuck off. Say what you will about BvS but at least it was Zack Snyder's complete vision in all its horrible glory.
>>70008395
Just pretend iron man 3 is lethal weapon 6. It makes it a better.
>>70008308
MCU does alright because Kevin keeps the tight reins on the studio unlike WB.
>Actual Marvel comics fan
>Successfully maneuvers around stubborn Marvel execs to let him try MCU
>Idea seemed bananas crazy at a time because Marvel was nearly bankrupt and most popular characters were splitted between other studios
>Takes the risk and produces Iron Man
>Proceeds with creating $10 bln franchise from nothing
>Revolutionized the concept of movie franchise
>Runs things so efficiently that there were little to no scandals or production misfires for the project this large, namely all top stars are willing to continue filming
>No movie or script leaks like retards at Fox or Sony regularly do
>Of 13 movies he oversaw 13 are financially successful with 13 of those having positive critic reception
>Slowly returns Marvel characters to their home from other studios
>Excellent relations with Disney board as well as lots of Hollywood people
>Cucks Paramount
>Cucks Universal
>Picks up the fight with uncooperative CEO when the time comes
>Wins the fight and becomes co-CEO himself
>Cucks Sony into Spider-Man deal
>Humiliates WB/DC at capebowl of 2016
>MCU steamroller is going as strong as ever
>Starts war with co-CEO over Marvel TV
>Starts it just at the moment when Civil War is breaking its billion while TV ratings are declining - a move that will undoubtedly make him look good and co-CEO bad
>Looks like he is going to win this too
>This is the man who made Iron Man and Captain America larger cultural icons than Batman and Superman
>This is the man who produced a comic book movie about Rocket Racoon, a movie that was more profitable and critically successful than a movie featuring Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman
>>70008395
You beat me to my own post. Totally agree
>>70008445
I guess that's what I definitely prefer about DC movies, they have a distinct tone and feel based on who is creating them, for better or worse. Marvel just gets stale because it's all the same.
Compromising so heavily with Thor. magic is advanced science and trying to "ground" it with all the Earth and humans shit.
Thor should have been Marvels LOTR series with Thor 3 earning well over 1 billion just like their other trilogies not the 700m it would be lucky to get at this point.
>>70008513
>Runs things so efficiently that there were little to no scandals or production misfires for the project this large, namely all top stars are willing to continue filming
That actually is pretty impressive and i never thought about it.
>>70008541
Iron man 3 is 100% a Shane Black movie. How did that work out?
>>70008513
That's also why the movies are such boring cliche shit.
Feigi gets way too involved.
>>70008445
Whilst I agree, I wonder what Thor Three will be like with Taika Waititi at the helm of it. Whilst TW is by no means as distinctive as Edgar Wright, he still makes movies that have a very personal visual style and tone.
>>70008623
Marvel actually intervened a lot as usual. Black wanted the main villain to be female for example. It's still the best Marvel movie by far.
trying to explain how Ant-man's suit gives him powers. makes everything that happens surrounding him make zero fucking sense.
>>70008395
I liked Iron Man 3. It has some problems but it's still a lot more watchable than most Marvel shit imo. I've always liked Shane Black's style though so I'm probably pretty biased.
>>70008639
On the contrary,he prevents movies from turning into chaotic artsy Snydershit
>>70008513
BASED KEVIN
>>70008513
>>This is the man who produced a comic book movie about Rocket Racoon, a movie that was more profitable and critically successful than a movie featuring Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman
>>70008541
>distinct tone and feeling
So does a root-canal. Distinction for the sake of distinction is edgy emo high-schooler garbage.
i think the only problem is announcing so many movies so far in advance. we don't need to know that they're doing a black panther movie four years from now. let's see black panther as a supporting character first and then tell us he's getting a solo film. and setting up so many sequels make the current movies seem pointless, because obviously the main characters aren't in any real danger now, because we already know they'll be in avengers part 4 in 2019 or whenever. each film has to stand on its own, not just as a puzzle piece in the greater marvel universe. this was the big problem with avengers 2, it felt like half the plot points were only there to set up later events.
>>70008541
>I guess that's what I definitely prefer about DC movies, they have a distinct tone and feel based on who is creating them
Yeah, but when we're talking about movies like Green Lantern, how much is that really worth? Yes, it has a distinct tone from Nolan's Batman movies. It's also much shittier.
>>70008513
I love how this pasta triggers DC friends
Phase two as a whole was a bit of blunder in my opinion.
> Iron Man 3
A big disappointment. Ruining the Mandarin, ridiculous jokes mixed with an overly serious tone, Pepper turning into a superhero, and the entire ending sequence.
> Winter Soldier
It's a good movie but it's consequences are completely ignored.
> Guardians of the Galaxy
It's a decently entertaining movie but it's really overrated. It's completely skippable if you're only wanting to watch MCU movie that matter.
> Thor 2
No one liked it and most people have forgotten that it exists.
> Ant-Man
Mediocre the movie.
> Age of Ultron
It completely ignores the events of the other movies and Joss Whedon filled it with completely unbearable quips. It felt like Sensitive Joss Whedon had a lot more control in this one, and the movie suffered for it.
>>70008395
I really like IM3.
Swings and roundabouts.
>>70008308
Arguably turning the MCU into a large group of extremely high budget TV episodes. The Phases are really just Seasons of TV.
That's why Avengers worked when AoU didn't. Instead of being a culmination of intertwined movies, it's just a part of it. Now we have Civil War, which is really just Avengers 3.
I'd much prefer and Ironman verse, a Captain America verse. etc.
>>70009404
Phase 2 was miles better than Phase 1. TWS is the best Marvel movie yet. You say the consequences are ignored, but how? There's no more SHIELD and Rogers found about Bucky, which heavily impact the MCU. I guess you can say the helicarrier showing up on AoU, but it's probably Whedon's fault as you said.
GotG is good and only "skippable" now. When Thor 3 or Infinity War pt. 1 comes around and Thanos is stealing the stone from Xandar and the Guardians meet the Avengers it will be more connected to the rest of the universe. And I liked Ant-Man and Iron Man 3 way more than Thor and Iron Man 2.
>>70009550
This line of thinking is why we never had a movie like the Avengers
>>70009550
>I'd much prefer and Ironman verse, a Captain America verse. etc.
This was how the old superhero movies worked. Its why Batman and Superman were never in the same movie. People legitimately thought that superheroes were best self-contained.
Than the Xmen challenged that. By showing that you can have more than one superhero in a movie working togetehr as a team. And X2 showed you can have continuity. And when Nick Fury turned up at the end of Iron Man, it hyped people.
Because you see, unlike movies, people always knew that, in the comics, Batman worked with Superman. Spiderman had hung out with the Avengers and the Xmen. Superhero stories could be bridged, they were just hampered by an old way of thinking.
Marvel made thingsYou just have pleb taste
>>70009550
In a way Marvel has turned comic book movies into comic books. Now you need to have seen all the storylines to fully understand what's going on, and they introduce new characters and stories periodically to fund new big events. I don't like a lot of the Marvel movies but I give them credit for doing something a little different.
>>70012192
X men have ALWAYS been an ensemble though. Wolverine aside no one on the team can carry a movie solo. I mean who the fuck wants a cyclops movie?
>it's an anon still believes Wright's Ant-Man would've been good, or that Wright himself is a good director episode
Why don't you just kill yourself anon, if it's that painful to you?
Would do the world plenty of good.
>>70009404
>Ruining the Mandarin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4yKFMrxDgg
>>70009404
>Ruining the Mandarin
>MUH MANDARIN
>Pepper turning into a superhero
She didn't
>ridiculous jokes mixed with an overly serious tone
It's like you've never seen a Shane Black movie
>the entire ending sequence
What ending sequence?
The final fight or the one with Tony's voiceover?
>>70008513
You need to that his dick is craved by Amy Pascal
>those leaked emails
75% of Civil War is fucking boring.
Ant Man would have been freaking great with Wright at the helm. It is still better than a lot of Marvel movies (i.e., the first Cap, both Thors, Hulk, and every Iron Man that isn't the first one), but it could have been awesome.
>>70008395
You forgot:
>technological virus somehow turned people into lava monsters
>ending heavily implies that Iron Man will quit even though we know that is not fucking happening.
>>70008395
IM3
>Mandarin not having rings of power
>Mandarin being Camcorder Terrorist
>No chance at Fin Fang Foom
Just fuck my shit up
>>70012742
>ending heavily implies that Iron Man will quit
No it didn't.
The movie LITERALLY ends with Tony Stark stating that he is Iron Man.
The ending of Iron Man 3 was him letting go of his obsession of building a suit for every single little event his mind could think of.
The ending was Tony getting over his PTSD, until Whedon fucked that up so he could get his quipbot.
>>70012742
>>technological virus somehow turned people into lava monsters
Which is what happened in Extremis comic from which the modern Iron Man movies are adapted from.
The only difference - Tony never took the extremis procedure. Which was a big deal in the comics
>>70012742
>>Ant Man would have been freaking great with Wright at the helm.
He wanted it to be a self-contained movie. It would not have worked.
>the first Cap
Neah bruh. The First Avenger holds its own. Its pretty comfy.
>>70012357
Originally there was a plan to do a solo Magneto movie, much like with Wolverine. Also consider Deadpool held his own movie.
Yes the Xmena re ensemble, but elements of the Xmen can make their own movies. If Fox were more competent and did it the MCU way. We could have had Deadpool way earlier.
>>70013099
>The First Avenger holds its own. Its pretty comfy.
The First Avenger sucks dick after the war bonds scene. It essentially became a slapstick WW2 movie that tried to hide the fact that Nazis existed by using Hydra--probably the least intimidating villains of all time.
Thor one was okay. Hulk and Thor 2 were forgettable. Iron Man 3 was still entertaining besides certain plot points. The First Avenger was good in the first half and shit in the second. When the conflict is so ridiculous and watered down, how can one give a shit about what's happening on the screen? The only things that I cared about in the last 45 minutes were Bucky falling off the train (even though we all know he was going to get better) and Cap "sacrificing" himself for the greater good. That's it.
They don't ever use The Hulk except for The Avengers. I know the last two movies bomb but do something with him.
>>70013265
Universal still owns the rights to Hulk, he's on loan to Marvel.
And Universal doesn't want to do/won't allow Marvel to do a solo Hulk movie.
>>70013265
Hulk is a shitty character, desu.
>>70008445
Filmmakers are given a degree of control over their movies but ultimately Marvel rules supreme. If you play ball and are willing to bend over backwards to follow the creative vision of a dozen other people and let them guide you then it's a very effective and great experience. However if you have conviction in your work and want to stand by it or feel that Marvel's approach is wrong on something, then the entire process is a pretty awful. That's what led to a lot of issues with Iron Man 2, Thor 2, and Age of Ultron. Interestingly enough, Whedon didn't like the studio's approach to further Marvel-ize Guardians of the Galaxy and went to bat for Gunn with the studio to give him more control over the film and allow Gunn to inject more of his style into it, leading to one of Marvel's biggest surprise hits to date.
>>70013259
Because Cap was fighting Fascism.
The Red Skull may have been made into a weaker version of Hitler, but he was still a tinpot Fuhrer. A Fuhrer with laser weapons. Cap fought Nazis on two fronts -a s a patriotic symbol in the main war against the AXIS, and as an agent in the small offensive against HYDRA. Cap was needed on the HYDRA front, even though theyw ere watered down Nazis, because they ahd a more powerful arsenal than the Axis.
The Red SKull was not just a fascist, he was a fascist that truly embodied the type of elitism that defined the intellectual landscape of the era. Its why, even though Adolf was inadequate, people as great as Heidegger joined his side - they truly believed they were fighting for the superior side.
Its why Cap's fight against Hydra mattered.
>>70013827
>Its why Cap's fight against Hydra mattered.
I didn't claim that it wasn't important; I claimed that the movie didn't make it feel important, and I won't be convinced otherwise.
If you want to have your silly laser wielding villains with skulls for heads, fine. You gotta make them more intimidating to compensate. Winter Soldier shits all over the first Cap because its villains weren't laser gun shooting, mustache twerking bad guys; they were spies from the inside with a job to do.
>>70013687
>how dare the people spending a quarter billion have a say
That's what gets me about directors. They know what they're getting into with big budget flicks, then bitch about it.
Whedon is someone who has to be kept on a leash. He's worse than Snyder.
The Mandarin never would have made a legit good villain.
Remember that monologue about how fortune cookies are an American invention? Well it's also a metaphor for the Mandarin character himself.
>>70014095
>Winter Soldier shits all over the first Cap
That I will agree
>If you want to have your silly laser wielding villains with skulls for heads, fine.
You have to bear in mind this was SCHMIDT's plan.
>You gotta make them more intimidating to compensate.
Scmidt saw himself as intimidating with his superior technology, but of course
>>70014095
>its villains weren't laser gun shooting, mustache twerking bad guys; they were spies from the inside with a job to do.
This is why the Winter Soldier improved on The First Avenger. Not just because it ahd a betetr villain, but it actually made use of a villain of the previous movie - Zola.
See, Zola was the opposite of Schmidt. Whereas the Red Skull espoused Total War and Blitzkrieg tactics, Zola took advantage of Operation Paperclip and the mad scramble for German intelligentsia the US and the Soviets were vying for. By contributing to SHIELD, Zola was able to implant an ideology, a betetr one, within agents in SHIELD than he could under Schmidt.
Its why Zola was, arguably, the second best villain in the Cap series (the best is still Zemo). Zola was almost close to success, if you think about it.
>>70008916
>>70009418
Nice shittaste familam. You fuckers are why im necer gonna fucking see the real mandarin on the big screen. Fuck you!
>>70008308
I've read what he intended.
Didn't sound better at all.
It wouldn't have been good, he took too long and all his ideas were not in conflict too.
>>70012757
no one gives a shit about The Mandarin's rings
>>70008308
who is that unrecognizable nobody
>>70014442
The problem is a major shift in the way films are being produced. Creator rights are being stripped away by studios at an alarming rate and more power is being put into the hands of studio executives. Studios should absolutely have a say in the process but it should be more along the lines of collaboration and less like hiring directors and writers to be contract workers.
Because of Marvel's success with this approach it's making it harder for creator owned content to be produced in Hollywood. Studios want more and more control and therefore they're more interested in making movies to which they control the rights to so they can hire people out as contract workers and dictate the process. It's a very toxic mindset and is already making it very difficult for any but the best and biggest directors to make original films with a decent budget.
I don't think Whedon needs to be kept on a leash, he's definitely works well when given some boundaries but if he says a wall needs to be broken down then I say trust him on it. Whedon is definitely talented but even more importantly he's got a great eye for talent and knows how to groom them. There's a reason so many of the writers and producers on Buffy and Angel have gone on to such major projects.
>>70009404
>It's completely skippable if you're only wanting to watch MCU movie that matter.
>The only movie that explain what infinity stones are
>The only movie that shows people as powerful, even more powerful than pity Avengers
>Totally skippable
>>70009550
>That's why Avengers worked when AoU didn't. Instead of being a culmination of intertwined movies, it's just a part of it.
I thought Age of Ultron was great, but I will agree that it wasn't a culmination of the intertwined movies. However that's because Phase 2 was utterly directionless and the studio had no idea what they were doing or where they were going. None of the films really build up or lead to any sort of bigger story, they're all utterly disconnected.
>>70014442
But.... whedon left
>>70015109
I don't deny this. But I really think Marvel's bubble might burst after Thanos.
And even if it dpesn't hopefully - with Uiversal's monster CU failing, and with other people cinematic universe failing, people will realize not everyone has to copy Marvel and try to make a cinematic universe. Marvel can do their own thing. And we will still watch movies like District 9.
>>70015109
It's simple though: You don't want to be micromanaged by execs? Don't work on a superhero movie. We still have creative tour de forces like Ex Machina and Sicario getting made for a cheaper and cheaper budget
>>70009404
Phase Two has three good movies--Winter Soldier, Ant-Man, and Guardians of the Galaxy--while Phase One only has Iron Man and The Avengers. Every other movie in Phase one was either a commercial or instantly forgettable.
If we're talking about movies I would actually watch for their individual merit, Iron Man, Winter Soldier, the first Avengers movie, Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Civil War are the only ones that come to mind. All the other movies just do not stand up either execution-wise or as individual films.
>>70015109
>The problem is a major shift in the way films are being produced. Creator rights are being stripped away by studios at an alarming rate and more power is being put into the hands of studio executives.
And that's exactly why Marvel works as a Universe.
If studio executives were getting their hands into a standalone movie (Capeshit or not), it would be really bad, because you would ruin their creative vision they had. But when you had 12 movies to be connected, you need someone to keep people in check, because.
-You need continuity
-You need congruence
-Movies can't contradict each other, etc....
>>70008308
He literally would've ruined the movie.
I don't get what obsession you shitters have over this guy, he hasn't made anything good in his career
>>70009404
Winter Soldier heavily impacted the MCU. Firstly it led to the closure of shield and the formation of the Avengers as an independent body, which sets up both Ultron and later civil war. It establishes both Bucky and Falcon as well as adds further characterisation of Cap and black widow.
Its also a major setup to the second season agents of shield TV show, which deals with the direct aftermath of the collapse of shield.
Ant-Man was really good. Top tier Marvel, Wright's loss.
>>70009404
>It's completely skippable if you're only wanting to watch MCU movie that matter.
You are joking, right
>>70013099
The Solo Magneto movie became the intro for First Class , where he was hunting nazis.
That could have been a really interesting to watch an expanded version of what is by far the best part of the new xmen trilogy.
>>70013827
>Its why Cap's fight against Hydra mattered.
>>70015027
Edgar Wright
>>70015738
Fuck off, the Cornetto trilogy is better than every MCU movie.
>>70008395
>Literally only made a shit load of money because it was riding on the coattails of the Avengers.
i seriously doubt that, pretty sure Iron Man 4 will make a shitload of money too, people (esp. China) just loves this tech suit things
I can't hate on Shaun of the Dead or Hot Fuzz...but his Ant Man probably would have been terrible.
We'll never know for sure, but what we did get was pretty good for capeshit. I find it serviceable; not like a 'watch it once a month' movie but in a year I might be like "yeah...lets rewatch that Ant Man movie".
>>70015875
Ant-Man was fucking great.
Which is insane, because it's fucking Ant-Man and the lead is Paul Rudd. By rights that should have bombed.
Marvel is a fucking force of nature
>>70016058
I love that bar scene with the nazi's in Argentina.
>>70016133
>The Cornetto trilogy
Literally what? Fuck outta here with your meme trash
>>70016227
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Flavours_Cornetto_trilogy
>>70008308
He wanted Wasp to have a smaller (ie, pretty much no) presence in the movie and for there not to be that short sequence where Ant-Man jacks the device from Avengers HQ.
Literally every change I've heard about being made was for the better, so assuming that he didn't drastically improve the quality of the rest of the movie (a fairly safe bet) the overall result of him directing the movie he wanted to make would have been worse.
>>70015738
>>70016227
>mfw plebs say Edgar Wright has never made anything good
http://www.nypress.com/scott-pilgrim-vs-the-world
http://www.nyfcc.com/2013/08/the-worlds-end-reviewed-by-armond-white-for-cityarts/
Reminder Edgar Wright is indubitably talented and his speed and humor are authentic and irresistible. Armond White loves to be a contrarian but even he can't deny Wright's immense talent.
>>70016343
>scott pilgrim
>the worlds end
>good
Oh boy
>>70016311
Evangeline Lily better look at least as good as Ms Jupiter in her costume
>>70016098
>>implying what is being written in the comcis now will happen in the MCU.
What happens in 616 is so retarded, I stopped giving a shit
>>70016373
>The World's End
>bad
I bet you love the MCU movies.
>>70013265
IIRC they don't/didn't have the rights to make a solo movie
>>70014970
>wolverine movie
>wolverine does not have claws
Yeah, characters not having their iconic weapons is fucking bullshit.
>>70016466
Hulk was too hax for Civil War
He'll turn up in Ragnarok as SPACE HULK!!
>>70009404
>It's completely skippable if you're only wanting to watch MCU movie that matter.
This is film criticism in the millennial age
>>70016509
>he goes to Asgard to study their magi-science
>when Loki is revealed he stays to smash the puny god
I'm hype
>>70016311
>assuming that he didn't drastically improve the quality of the rest of the movie
Wright is amazing at directing humor, both the timing of the dialogue and visual humor like funny cuts or angles.
>>70016464
I bet you're some faggy yuropoor
>>70016662
Why would Sean Pegg movies be popular outside of Blighty
Of course I al
fiege is a good guy
ike perlmutter and the rest of marvel corporate was the real villains. he had to listen to them but bob iger did some changes in the company and ever since civil war he's basically his own boss now.
>>70016612
Where's John Travolta?
>>70013827
>The Red Skull may have been made into a weaker version of Hitler
He came closer to doing real damage to America than Hitler ever actually did...
Remember that Marvel's WWII is different from our WWII. In the Marvel universe what started as a war against the Axis became a war against HYDRA.
>>70014095
>Winter Soldier shits all over the first Cap because its villains weren't laser gun shooting, mustache twerking bad guys; they were spies from the inside with a job to do.
Different genres. First Avenger is a war movie so you fight war movie villains. Winter Soldier is a spy movie so you fight spy movie villains.
For my part I love both, but for different reasons. Personally I liked Red Skull because I'm kind of getting sick of pathos in villains; it was novel for awhile but it's long since worn out its welcome. I want villains to just be straight up EVIL again.
>>70016838
In Marvelverse, WW2 had Vision (at the time the Human Torch), Namor and Cap fighting Hitler and Red Skull
That shit was intense
>>70016501
>People know who Wolverine is, even normies
>a ton of comic book fans don't know who the Mandarin is because he's that niche
okay senpai
All the really good stuff from Ant-Man came from the other writers after Edgar left though.
Any chance of getting Fin Fang Foom in the movies?
>>70016885
I like it when media that was invented X many years ago remembers little continuity things.
Like, in Star Trek. The Eugenics Wars were a series of nuclear world wars between 1992 and 1996 that ultimately killed 30 million people. Obviously in the real world that never happened, but no Trek series has ever tried to retcon them out of existence, either. In fact several events have *confirmed* the Eugenics Wars as having still happened.
(Easiest way to make sure it still meshes up with certain VOY episodes taking place in the 1990s is to say that the Eugenics Wars were conflicts fought in Africa, Asia, and maybe South America, that didn't involve the USA directly).
>>70008308
the parts with that comedian mexican dude explaining the stories felt like edgar wright
Iron Man 2, Mickey Rourke looking like absolute shit.
Civil War, more like Office Scuffle, I loved the action-comedy but I didn't feel any stakes at all and basically Tony was fucking wrong about everything, even to blame for bringing down War Machine lol. Also hated the fucking bvs-mom shit at the end. But airport fight was awesome.
Most villains, how hard is it to build up a villain, and have an interesting final fight. Crossbones should have been given a bigger role.
Some retards dislike Ant-man? reconsider your fucking life and start slappin da bass.
>>70017065
I think they were added after Wright left, and mostly improvised.
>>70008308
Wright wanted ant man to be separate from the MCU. Fuck him, antman was one of the best parts of Civil War.
>>70016449
Of course not. MCU Cap is fabulous!
>>70016838
>Different genres.
It's got shit all to do with different genres. First Avenger is shit because it has shit antagonists. It being a war movie does not excuse its poor excuses for villains. Red Skull was evil but he was not intimidating. None of Hydra was the least bit intimidating in First Avenger.
>>70017256
Ant-Man was fucking overpowered as hell in Civil War
If he'd had the actual ants too he'd have basically been Jesus
Can Ant Man stop in between normal size and 30ft tall? Can he just go up to 6ft 7 if he wants to play in the NBA, or go down to 5ft if he wants to buy a child's ticket on the train?
>>70008308
Let's be honest, when was the last time this mong made a good movie?
>>70017433
Anon, now you're thinking like a Super Villain
That's an abuse of power
>>70008647
The only distinct style I've seen in these movies was the first Thor (the Asgard scenes). I hope Waititi leaves a good mark.
>>70017536
nice b8 fag
>>70008395
I really Iron Man 3.
>muh Mandarin
Can always be retconned, but I've never given a fuck about Mandarin. Tony's archenemy has always been himself.
>wasting Guy Pearce
How would you have wasted his talent?
>>70017536
never
>>70017597
I think you're talking about art direction because The First Avenger was camp on crackers and amazing for it.
Iron Man - action
Thor - fantasy
Captain America (at least Winter Soldier and Civil War) - thriller
Hulk - horror (a stretch)
Ant-man - heist
GotG - sci-fi
Doctor Strange - psychedelic
Black Panther - hopefully blaxploitation
Captain Marvel - cop drama
iron man 2 is a lot worse than 3
So to lift the hammer you have to be worthy.
But Vision had never done anything except create a swag ape for himself (and if deleted scenes are included, kicked the shit out of Thor)
How is he worthy?
>>70008395
IM3 is great though
>>70017927
Iron Man 2 was more like Iron Man, but had less of a plot. Iron Man 3 was less like Iron Man, but had more of a plot (that I did not particularly go for). Both movies are mediocre.
>>70017845
Dunno what you'd call it, but I was trying to refer to Kenneth Branagh's direction. His visual style? It was almost Shakespearean.
>>70018024
GOAT theme though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBKy93OGeOg
>>70008513
I... All of that is true... wow...
Feige literally is the only thing keep capeshit afloat
>>70008395
I actually liked the idea of the Mandarin twist in IR3 but the problem was the pretend villain was more entertaining than the boring as fuck real one.
>>70008308
Black Widow
Everything about her is fucking atrocious
Terrible acting
Terrible voice
Terrible character
If she was never in the movies, we'd have a better series on our hands but we're not that lucky
>>70008419
And you are an uppity snob
>>70008445
That's not true in every case, Guardians of the Galaxy felt like the rest of James Gunn's work. He even had roles and cameos for his frequent collaborators
>>70012757
Movies always reflect the current status of the worlds happenings.
Current "terrorist" plots are just mockups by big goys, more since 9/11
>>70018011
Because he's not human
>>70017845
Luke Cage is going to be Blaxpoitation. Also, Iron Fist is going to be kung-fu.
>>70020389
Good call. Jessica Jones is noir-ish, and Daredevil is a detective story.
>>70020389
Is it just me or would Luke Cage being blaxploitation be weirdly progressive?
How does it take 10 years to make one above-mediocre comic book movie?
>>70008513
>>Runs things so efficiently that there were little to no scandals or production misfires for the project this large, namely all top stars are willing to continue filming
Almost none. I'll never forgive the MCU for recasting Hulk. Norton would have brought a lot to the franchise
>>70009006
why are marvel fans so easily triggered
>>70020886
What exactly happened? I know Norton contributed a lot to the script but... they wouldn't credit him or something?
In all honesty, they've never made a mistake. Not once. Are their movies the greatest movies ever made? Yes. They honestly might be perfect films.
>>70008308
Edgar Wright wanted to make a dark, edgy movie completely disconnected from the MCU.
In fact, he left because he didn't want to put Falcon in the movie.
>>70020886
>>70020931
Norton was a bitch, and he wanted to force a lot of his friends on pointless cameos that were cut from the final movie anyway.
>>70008513
This ones called Kevin Feige
He makes the best fuckin' films
He makes the best fuckin' films
If I ever meet him
I'm gonna grab his fuckin' neck and just shake him
And say thank you, thank you for makin' such excellent fuckin' movies
Then I'd twist his nose all the way the fuck around
And then rip off one of his ears and throw it
Like a, like a, like a fuckin' Frisbee
I wanna chew his fuckin' lips off
And grab his head and suck out one of his eyes
And chew on it and spit it out in his face
And say thank you, thank you for all of your fuckin' films
Then I'd pick him up by the hair
Swing him over my head a few times
And throw across the room
And kick all his fuckin' teeth in
And then stomp on his face 40 or 50 times
'Cuz he makes the best fuckin' films
He makes the best fuckin' films
I've ever seen in my life
I fuckin' love him, I fuckin' love him
>>70021033
>This ones called Kevin Feige
>He makes the best fuckin' films
>He makes the best fuckin' films
>If I ever meet him
>I'm gonna grab his fuckin' neck and just shake him
>And say thank you, thank you for makin' such excellent fuckin' movies
>Then I'd twist his nose all the way the fuck around
>And then rip off one of his ears and throw it
>Like a, like a, like a fuckin' Frisbee
>I wanna chew his fuckin' lips off
>And grab his head and suck out one of his eyes
>And chew on it and spit it out in his face
>And say thank you, thank you for all of your fuckin' films
>Then I'd pick him up by the hair
>Swing him over my head a few times
>And throw across the room
>And kick all his fuckin' teeth in
>And then stomp on his face 40 or 50 times
>'Cuz he makes the best fuckin' films
>He makes the best fuckin' films
>I've ever seen in my life
>I fuckin' love him, I fuckin' love him
>ITT people who take mass produced, soulless capeshit garbage seriously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxMWs3SeXLw
>>70021126
>This ones called Keevin Faggy
>He makes the best fuckin' films
>He makes the best fuckin' films
>If I ever meet him
>I'm gonna grab his fuckin' neck and just shake him
>And say thank you, thank you for makin' such excellent fuckin' movies
>Then I'd twist his nose all the way the fuck around
>And then rip off one of his ears and throw it
>Like a, like a, like a fuckin' Frisbee
>I wanna chew his fuckin' lips off
>And grab his head and suck out one of his eyes
>And chew on it and spit it out in his face
>And say thank you, thank you for all of your fuckin' films
>Then I'd pick him up by the hair
>Swing him over my head a few times
>And throw across the room
>And kick all his fuckin' teeth in
>And then stomp on his face 40 or 50 times
>'Cuz he makes the best fuckin' films
>He makes the best fuckin' films
>I've ever seen in my life
>> fuckin' love him, I fuckin' love him
>>70012835
hello AUTIST, I've seen this pasta before.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/text/letting%20go%20of%20his%20obsession/
GO BACK TO /co/ YOU FUCKING FAGGOT.
IM3 was shit, period.
>>70021186
>This ones called Koovin Foogie
>He makes the best fuckin' films
>He makes the best fuckin' films
>If I ever meet him
>I'm gonna grab his fuckin' neck and just shake him
>And say thank you, thank you for makin' such excellent fuckin' movies
>Then I'd twist his nose all the way the fuck around
>And then rip off one of his ears and throw it
>Like a, like a, like a fuckin' Frisbee
>I wanna chew his fuckin' lips off
>And grab his head and suck out one of his eyes
>And chew on it and spit it out in his face
>And say thank you, thank you for all of your fuckin' films
>Then I'd pick him up by the hair
>Swing him over my head a few times
>And throw across the room
>And kick all his fuckin' teeth in
>And then stomp on his face 40 or 50 times
>'Cuz he makes the best fuckin' films
>He makes the best fuckin' films
>I've ever seen in my life
>I fuckin' love him, I fuckin' love him
>>70021231
>This ones called Kayvin Fayge
>He makes the best fuckin' films
>He makes the best fuckin' films
>If I ever meet him
>I'm gonna grab his fuckin' neck and just shake him
>And say thank you, thank you for makin' such excellent fuckin' movies
>Then I'd twist his nose all the way the fuck around
>And then rip off one of his ears and throw it
>Like a, like a, like a fuckin' Frisbee
>I wanna chew his fuckin' lips off
>And grab his head and suck out one of his eyes
>And chew on it and spit it out in his face
>And say thank you, thank you for all of your fuckin' films
>Then I'd pick him up by the hair
>Swing him over my head a few times
>And throw across the room
>And kick all his fuckin' teeth in
>And then stomp on his face 40 or 50 times
>'Cuz he makes the best fuckin' films
>He makes the best fuckin' films
>I've ever seen in my life
>I fuckin' love him, I fuckin' love him
Marvel Studios or Marvel movies in general?
>>70013326
They already made one. the one with Norton is part of phase 1. you even see cap's shield in a scene
>>70021314
>The Incredible Hulk is a 2008 American superhero film featuring the Marvel Comics character the Hulk, produced by Marvel Studios and distributed by Universal Pictures.
Uniersal are now being Jews with the movie rights
>>70020931
>>70021025
He was one of the few actors who was actually into comic books as a kid so he was trying have them change the way the character was written to represent the source material and wanted a lot more creative input than they granted him. I think he didn't like how the part was handled in the first Avengers and complained about it, so when the time came to sign contracts, Marvel told him to fuck off and got Ruffalo instead. I don't dislike Ruffalo, but the way he plays Bruce Banner is just an introverted Tony Stark. it's redundant
>>70021393
I guess once they saw how profitable it was, wanted to keep the rights up their sleeve. But why not at least help distribute a movie with Marvel's name on it that is guaranteed to make a shitload of money when the alternative is staying out of the capeshit game entirely?
>>70021874
Apparently they have "something big" planned with Hulk
Again, I think he's going to be in Ragnarok
>>70020886
The Incredible Hulk movie sucked and Norton was boring. It would be nice to see Ruffalo outside of the Joss Whedon mould.
>>70022072
>It would be nice to see Ruffalo outside of the Joss Whedon mould
He was in that movie where he and Paltrow are sex addicts
>Drop good writers.
>Drop good filmmakers.
>Let Shane "The Hack" Black ruin Iron Man 3.
>Being pussies.
>Attached to a formula.
>Feige literally doesn't give a shit.
>No one gives a shit because they make money out of stupid masses.
Thor movies. I treat the movies like I treated the comics, I just skipped them. I don't like Thor and I find any story he's involved in to be incredibly boring. He's alright when he's on Earth or doing something like that, but Asgard shit just doesn't interest me.
>>70022072
I vastly preferred Ang Lee's Hulk, warts and all. It's still canon too, isn't it? It's still the only Hulk origin film we've gotten for him, at least.
>>70022526
Thunderbolt Ross is the same actor, so I still take it as canon
>>70020886
Isn't Norton a difficult actor to work with?
>I'm making Ant Man guise, I swear
>10 years later and two shit flicks later
>the big meanies at Marvel Studios kicked me off the project that I was totally going to do and it was going to be so awesome guise I swear
>>70022526
>It's still canon too, isn't it?
no, you're confusing it with "the incredible hulk" with edward norton, which is canon. ang lee's "hulk" predates the MCU.
>>70022603
Notoriously hands-on and intrusive to the directorial process. A dictator.
>>70022565
>>70022652
I just looked it up. Same Elliott was Ross in Ang Lee's. Sam. Fricking. Elliott. What a loss to this franchise. Nick Nolte as Bruce's crazy dad, too.
The reason I always thought it was still canon was that at the end of it, the Hulk's hiding out in the rain forests of South America and Norton's Hulk picks up in Brazli.
>>70021206
>I'm going to prove this post is pasta
>by showing him a link to that exact post, from that the same thread
Wew lad
>>70022928
>google Sam Elliott
>get suggested Ghost Rider
Who owns those rights? Nic Cage in the MCU when?
>>70023015
Actually to clarify, I want him in the Netflix shows.
I want him to fuck people like only we series can get past the censors
Incest when?
>>70023015
>>70023153
I want a gritty, street-level Ghost Rider series where he tackles both criminals and the supernatural.
I also want an introduction to the character that's done found-footage style between surveillance cameras, dashcams, and crappy cell phone videos. I want that urban legend vibe.
>>70023705
Deleted scenes from AoU.
>>70023735
Where the fuck were the Avengers when the MUTOs and Godzilla were wrecking the shit out of Hawaii and San Fransisco?
When is Godzilla joining the team? Infinity War?
>>70023735
>>70012474
explain
>>70023823
They were killing niggers in Africa.
>>70023735
>There was a deleted scene from the movie where Tony calls the twins "Flowers in the attic", which makes Hawkeye angry. Wanda thinks the name it's cute but Hawkeye tells her that it's not.
>>70018011
Because he's pure and has no human flaws probably.
>>70023969
Ah, a noble cause.
>>70008308
not getting Deadpool and the X-Men to cross over.
not making a F4 Netflix series.
>>70020980
They've made mistakes, just not any substantial ones.
If they never made any mistakes, then every MCU film would be a perfect 10/10.
>>70021033
>frisbee
The fuck? I'm a spider not a dog
>>70023980
You just KNOW.
>>70023969
Why is Marvel Pietro such a creep?
Fox Pietro isn't
Phase 4 Fantastic Movie
>Glenn Howerton as Reed Richards
>Chad L. Coleman as Ben Grimm
>Vera Farmiga/Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Sue Storm
>Ryan Gosling as Johnny Storm>Mark Hamill as Victor von Doom
>Main bad guy Annihilus
Give me a director, anons
>>70024207
They are loyal to the comics.
Also, isn't Fox Wanda 10 or something?
>>70024232
MEW for sure.
Decent Cast.
Director? What tone are we going for?
>>70024207
Pietro just loves his sister, anon. Let's see that beta bitchboi Peter protect her smile.
>>70024308
>I love you sister
>don't worry, I'm feeling you up for totally non-deviant reasonw
>>70008308
Down playing Tonys alcoholism and the Extremis arc.
Iron man in general, really
>>70024248
>xmenmovies.wikia.com/wiki/Scarlet_Witch
Peter's kid sister isn't Wanda. A Wanda does exist in the Fox universe but remains unseen.
>>70008308
I imagine it Wright had gotten to make it it would have been the best film in the MCU, but also expose how every other film is trash.
I imagine Ant-man would have had the action, practical effects, and comedy of Hot Fuzz, personally, instead of the half baked action and CGI we got
>>70024339
He's not feeling her up in that picture though.
>>70008513
And that's why MCU movies ARR ROOK SAME
>Edgar does Antman
>suddenly literally every other Marvel film is exposed as being shit next to a competent director and writer
>>70008308
using ruffalo or whoever for hulk instead of based edward norton
>>70024612
>Wright
>competent director and writer
>muh kick-ass
>>70024648
Maybe read the thread before posting
>>70024427
I seriously doubt we will se her.
>>70024339
>he wouldn't feel up his qt sister
Fag.
REAL supervillain when
>>70012757
The One-Shot about Kingsley's Mandarin in prison implies the existence of a "real" Mandarin; the door is still open to rings and Fin Fang Foom.
>>70024666
He didn't do Kick ass m8
>>70024612
>we will never get Shaun of the Iron Man
>we will never get Avengers Fuzz
>>70024885
>Fin Fang Foom
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>>70009117
TRUTH
>>70024612
Ironically, even without Wright Ant-man exposed both Avengers as shit.
Samuel L Jackson playing Nick Fury.
Not because of the black thing, but because it's just another SLJ character. He doesn't feel like an old weathered super-spy at all. They never should have made that deal to be able to draw him in the comics. The pop-culture stuff was the worst part of the Ultimate comics, anyway.
>>70009117
Thank you, anon.
>>70025129
I don't get this at all. He was great as head of SHIELD; I even loved him deciding "fuck this noise, time for rocket launcher lol"
>>70025252
But that's all he was: head of SHIELD. And he relies entirely on SHIELD tech and SHIELD protocols.
I want my gruff salt-and-pepper WWII veteran who's leading SHIELD at the start because he practically built the modern intelligence service. The type of guy who could have starred in Winter Soldier instead of being a side-character.
All SLJ does is make speeches and pick up huge guns, just like in the ultimate comics.
>>70020886
Then why was Incredible Hulk such a shit movie?
>>70008308
I don't get what your image implies. Who is the man in the picture and what does he have to do with how much better Ant Man could have supposedly been?
>>70008541
>they have a distinct tone and feel based on who is creating them
And most of them suck dick
>>70024441
Wright didn't want it to be a part of the MCU, which was the problem.
He dragged his feet for 10 years on the movie, then threw a fit because now that the MCU was a thing, Ant-Man had to be part of that.
>>70026064
Edgar Wright, the original director for the Ant-Man movie when it was supposed to be filmed and released almost a decade ago.
