Why do the Klingons use cloaking devices?
It makes perfect sense for the Romulans, since their entire gimmick is being sneaky and unfair, but even ignoring how Klingons are all about honor, since they're also all about strength, their ships should logically just be gigantic warships, shouldn't they?
Instead, it's acknowledged that Birds of Prey are basically just slapped-together pieces of shit, and that the Enterprise outguns a Bird of Prey massively.
They address it. "Nothing is more honorable than victory."
Is a soldier dishonorable for using camouflage?
it's like that, in SPACE!
>>69946669
TOS Klingons & Romulans were really the opposite of their TNG incarnations.
>>69946669
Wasn't Star Trek III's Bird of Prey originally meant to be a stolen Romulan ship?
That got changed in production, but the design stayed and it became a Klingon design?
>>69946669
>"You should hear it in the original Klingon"
What did he mean by this?
>>69947671
taH pagh taHbe'?
>>69946669
Klingon battleships outclass all federation vessels. Birds of Prey are Frigates.
>>69946669
the real question is why the fuck would hamlet still be relevant
>>69948713
It's been 400 years since it was published. Why not another 250?
>>69948777
to Klingons?
>>69949264
do you only read/watch things exclusively created by your ancestors culture?
>>69949352
Yes
>WE WUZ WRITERS, YOU PETAQ
>>69949264
>guy discovers that his father was murdered and goes on revenge quest, ultimately dying in honorable combat
What's not to love?
>>69946669
Klingons and Romulans have been beating the shit out of each other for god knows how long.
Makes sense that one of them would steal the others technology.
>>69946669
>Why do the Klingons use cloaking devices?
They didn't until formed an alliance with the romulans in the 23rd century.
>>69946669
Christopher Plumber is based af
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_P3CV2eHhw
>>69950162
Why would the Romulans give the Klingons cloaking technology when they guard it so jealously from the federation?
Did they just fuck up?
>>69950330
Klingons stole it using their advanced Tribble-based intelligence network
>>69950330
A trade in exchange for warp.
>>69950398
You're saying that the Romulans migrated from Vulcan with sub-light ships?
>>69950555
>and then the Vulcans developped warp easily
>>69950069
I'm not that dude, but I finally understand now. The Klingons probably meant that Hamlet was very similar to one of their legends or perhaps even better, so much that it added to their anxiety about losing their racial pride and cultural identity. The conversation veered into SJW-like accusations of the Federation being a humans-only club overshadowing their own hypocrisy about cultural appropriation, for they appropriated Hamlet.
>>69951198
>Shanxbeard: fucking Klingon bitches from beyond the grave
>>69950555
They used psychic gestalt fold tech by combining their minds and "jumping" from point to point. It was extremely inefficient, dangerous, and it cost them seven ships when they accidentally bootstrapped themselves too close to a black hole. They needed warp technology from the get-go and trading for it with the Klingons was the quickest way to get it.
>>69948244
Hard to say
D7s tended to get beat down by Enterprise in TOS
The modded one in this film did seem to scare Kirk when they first saw it, though, so perhaps the top of the line Klingon warship might be better than the top of the line Fed one.
>>69952866
This sounds dangerously like bookshit.
>>69946669
It's appropriate, predators use stealth.
What does bloodwine taste like?
I imagine wine with blood in it.
>>69953017
It is, but since no one else has ever bothered to give an explanation, it's all we have to go on. Unlike Star Wars, no one's ever done a canon wipe in Star Trek so all those books are still legit until shown otherwise. Abrams's reboot gives the opportunity to establish what actually happened, but we'll see if anyone even bothers to explore that should there be another series.
>>69946669
Star Trek, like any franchise that has gone on for too long and had too many cooks in the kitchen utterly falls to pieces when you try to apply logic to it. Obviously the bird of prey in Star Trek III is supposed to be a romulan ship, it looks like a progression from the TOS warbird in the same way that the enterprise refit was a progression.
It's the same kind of nonsense as the federation still using excelsior and miranda class ships in the TNG era. Everyone knows that the only reason they are in the show is because they already had those models built for the previous star trek movies so they could save money by using them instead of making new ships. But the fandom had come up with convoluted reasons as to why the miranda class and it's pointless, obviously kit-based modified sister ships are still bumming around nearly 100 years later. Obvious kit-bash models like the constellation are another example of laziness.
>>69949264
Klingons think we wuz Shakespeare n shiiyet
Also, "only Nixon can go to China" is an old Vulcan proverb
>>69950330
Klingons apparently traded D7 cruisers for it. TOS special effects crew were too lazy to make unique battle cruisers models for Romulans you see, so they really needed to make that trade.
>>69953351
"Klingon Honor" especially doesn't hold up if you try to compare all the examples of it instead of looking at movies/episodes that bring it up in isolation.
Everyone has a different idea of what it means and they're often contradictory.
>>69953351
No reason prize ships can't be a thing in space.
And regarding using old ships, they are still perfectly usable patrolling Federation space, running down outlaws and pirates, etc. You wouldn't throw them against the Klingons or Dominion, but I can see them keeping some ruffians with shuttles and photon torpedoes off the backs of merchants, even if they're a century out of date.
>>69953153
for the longest time i thought they just got the animal drunk until it died of alcohol poisoning and bled it for "wine", the more it drank the better the quality. then it turns out its just another fermentation process.
>>69955381
Write a letter to Bryan Fuller and your wildest dreams can become canon.
>>69950394
Tribbles are sworn enemies of the Klingon empire.
>>69957136
Oh cool, thanks for that obscure trivia, I never knew.
>>69948713
>the real question is why the fuck would hamlet still be relevant
Up until we destroyed our education system 60 years ago, college graduates could quote Homer and Virgil.
>>69958656
Not only that but if you go a little further back they could hold conversations in Latin. Look at Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
>>69948777
>>69949264
>>69948713
>>69949352
A time traveling trader stole Hamlet from Earth and sold it to the Klingons. It was technically published earlier in Klingon History than human history, as he traveled back further in time before selling it. A Klingon author claimed the work as his own, stating it was about an attempted coup within the Empire.
>>69958656
>>69958871
How's quoting really basic trope-users or conversing in dead languages (which NOBODY knows how to pronounce accurately) useful? Did the Classical ancients whom you worship study dead and useless things? The cargo cult era of education is over and there's nothing white men can do about it.
>>69959046
When someone far more educated than you begins to speak to their friend in a language they are absolutely certain no one else can understand right in front of you, you will understand. It is a form of elitism designed to make you feel stupid. That is all.
How come the Federation can't develop cloaking for their ships. I've watched TNG, and some of TOS but all I can remember is something about a treaty or something saying they wouldn't do it. But why would it be unethical for the federation to develop something their enemies use freely?
>>69953237
Books aren't canon to ST. They're ST's EU. Hence there being two Trek wikis. One of Live Action canon and one of licensed works like books. ST canon is the live action stuff only.
>>69959161
Treaty with Romulus prevents the Feds developing cloaking technologies. If they do the Romulans can get legit tear up the treaty and go to war with them.
>>69946669
Bird of Preys are Romulan.
>>69959046
Top bait
>>69947671
We wuz Shakespeare.
>>69959838
jesus christ that nose
>>69959849
Is anon's 'every species is a different kind of jew' theory confirmed?
>>69950330
Why would the Romulans guard cloaking technology from the Federation? The Feds have cloaks they just don't use them due to a treaty.
>>69953153
Is it even possible to ferment blood?
And as they drink it by the barrel they must be processing elephants or something equally large for it.
>>69959838
What the fuck was even up with the Klingons, their planet, and that moon jizzing all over itself?
Goddamn JJ and his lack of lore. He did the same shit with TFA.
>>69960071
What even happened with their moon in the ops movie? I remember it about to blow up or something which is why the Klingons and Feds started getting close.
>>69960107
Overmining IIRC
The shit that makes the ships go into warp
>>69960289
So it simply ran out, that was the major shattering event that caused them to change their confrontational ways?
You would think that they would have hundreds of Dilithium mines through their empire.
>>69960472
No, they over mined the moon of their home world so severely that it exploded, devastating the home world in a way that they couldn't reverse by themselves while still on a war footing
>>69959215
Which doesn't help your case any when nothing in live action has ever bothered to address the question. In the absence of any other evidence, the books win out until shown otherwise.
>>69959816
Chair's broken again
Star Trek VI is overrated.
>>69960544
True bur given the Trek live action writers & producers as far as I know never acknowledge the licensed material authors or stories in anyway and by most accounts don't follow or read them in anyway, I think you can discount all the books even when they haven't been contradicted by the live action stuff.
That being said the Abrams Trek writers are on record saying the comics about NuTrek are (or at least the early ones were) canon to their movies.
But go look at the Memory Beta wiki where this stuff is catalogued. The licensed materials especially the books contradict each other all the time. There's no kind of continuity maintainance like the old Star Wars EU had. There's like 3 different origins for the Borg, multiple depictions of early Romulus which contradict each other, etc.
>>69958941
>>69951198
Unbelievable that know one here is old enough to understand that ST6:TUC is a metaphor for the ending of the Cold War. The Klingons are supposed to represent the Soviets, that Shakespeare claim was a throwback to when the Soviets claimed that Russians invented literally everything including the works of Shakespeare. In TOS this was used for comic effect by having Chekov make similar absurd Russian orig claims, note his reaction to Chang's statement.
>>69964182
>star trek breads: autists arguing with autists
What are the best fan made trek? Just rewatched renegades which qas pretty good. Waiting for axanar
>>69965054
Have you tried Star Trek Horizon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l94v4YOqxOc
>>69965259
Nope. Watching now thanks
>>69947578
>>69947377
>>69946669
As originally conceived, the Klingon variant of the Bird-of-Prey was actually a Romulan ship; the script of Star Trek III at first called for the film's main villains to be Romulans using a Romulan Bird-of-Prey, as had been typical of Bird-of-Prey use in Star Trek: The Original Series. In other early drafts of the movie's script, the Bird-of-Prey was suggested as having been stolen, by the ship's Klingon commander, from the Romulans. Later script revisions dropped the ship's connection to the Romulans but the craft's designation as a Bird-of-Prey remained unchanged.
Interesting.
>>69963278
>saying the comics about NuTrek are (or at least the early ones were) canon to their movies.
>>69965054
God damn I enjoyed prelude to Anaxar, probably the first fan film I enjoyed.
>>69965259
Started watching this. I dont expect much from the acting of fan films but this is probably the worst acting I've seen in any fan film...ah well have a few interesting plot points to keep me going
>>69965767
If you count parodies Star Wreck was enjoyable
>>69965748
>even the comic has lens-flares
slight chuckle
>>69952911
Klingon ships are, in general, better armed than most Federation ships. While they may or may not be as tough as the TOS ships, it's pretty safe to say they pack more of a punch.
>>69946669
Klingons are predators, predators use stealth. They also have big cruisers too.
>>69953773
Not to mention that most of the old ships probably have been retrofitted as fuck by the TNG era.
The Federation doesn't seem like an organization that wastes a lot of stuff. Except for lives.
>>69949264
>Klingons think we wuz Shakespeare n shiiyet
>Also, "only Nixon can go to China" is an old Vulcan proverb
Shakespeare being Klingon is an out-of universe joke (true to them, funny to us) but Nixon being Vulcan is an in-universe joke (Spock was joking)
>>69953153
I suspect It's as varied as normal wine, Worf likes his 'very young and very sweet' but Martok mentions vintages a few times
>>69966176
>abrams enterprise
Normies get off my board
>>69966424
why was shakespeare killing all those people?
nixon should have just given hitler and china the breathing room they asked for.
>>69948713
They problably got somekind of "federation's classics" at school and this guy, well, he read shakespeare before dropping the school.
>>69966133
A civ that has replicators don't need to keep old ships. Just replicate new ones. If the Feds used replicators and transporters to their full potential, you will have millions of Enterprise E clones buttfucking the entire galaxy.
>>69960646
>I need an old priest and a young priest
>>69966646
Wouldn't you need an enormous replicator to do that? Even if you're just building it in segments? The Enterprise D was a damn small city in space. Not to mention the fact that certain elements can't be replicated.
>>69948713
I dunno, people still read Plato, Omer and Aristotle.
>>69948713
They don't have movies, TV or holodecks, probably lots of reading though.
>>69966646
Ships still have to be put together, and replicators don't create resources out of thin air
You also don't build flagships that take 800-1000 people to run to do jobs that a ship run by 30 people can do
>>69966646
Decommissioning perfectly capable ships that can be kept up to date with upgrades is grossly wasteful.
The Akira, Saber and Steamrunner classes were the replacements for the old stuff like the Excelsior, Miranda and Oberth classes anyway as the aged ships basically got steadily wiped out by the Borg and Dominion.
>>69959102
Двaчyю бpoтиш)))
>>69967946
I love how Brunt perpetually looks like he shit his pants.
>>69969012
Kek
>>69966479
Well, it's important to ask yourself why things work the way they work on a star ship.
>>69970466
But why does God need a starship?
>>69970770
To get to the other side.
>>69970770
The real questions are "why did tragedy befall shakespeare?" and "why did Spock compare Kirk to a president?" if you ask me.
>>69946669
They're Vikings. You get honor from daring raids with inferior weaponry using crafty tactics.
>watching Enterprise S1E16
>"Do you want moo goo gai pan or chili and seabass?"
>>69971435
I think it was "Chilean Seabass."
What's the best Klingon caste and why is it Lawyer?
>>69972151
I'm not sure. It's a pity there weren't more Klingon law episodes. They are always the best. It's weird how Star Trek does courtroom drama better than most courtroom dramas.
>>69972816
Need a denny crane star trek episode now
>>69972816
>"We find the defendant... not Klingon."
>"Your verdict is dishonorable! You're dishonorable! This whole courtroom is dishonorable!"
>>69946669
>In war, there is nothing more honorable than victory.
>Worf says in the DS9 2-part episode "the way of the warrior"
>>69953351
>same kind of nonsense as the federation still using excelsior
Literally fight me irl
>>69953351
For all you know Mirandas have all become hologram operated patrol ships or drones that travel on set courses to resupply other federation ships. The Excelsior was the most beautiful ship ever designed for star trek and only a total pleb would want to retire it and kitbashing appeals to any actual fan of the ship designs.
Sorry if it tickles your autism that something doesn't make sense to you in fucking star trek though bro, I'm sure you're a real winner in other areas of your life.
>>69974422
I miss the old sphere ship designs.
They were supposed to be older in TOS days, so it makes sense we don't see them, but still...
Been rewatching all of Trek since February, and I'm on finally to the last season of Enterprise now.
I'm not a huge Enterprise fan. I wasn't keen on how grim season 3 was. I found it amusing when a season three teaser would depict something grave as fuck, and then it would cut to that discordantly optimistic pop song, and then back to Archer having to do rectal feeding on some poor passerby to get information on the Xindi.
Regardless, Enterprise has some god-tier ship designs. The Vulcan ships look cool as hell.
>>69966723
Take one replicator, set it to make a thousand other replicators and them to make a thousand each, you would 3d print a starship in like ten minutes then crew it with holograms or better yet just make it a computer controlled drone ship because in ST the ship's computer is basically a godlike intelligence and all holograms are derived from it. The Borg are actually the only race that behave according to the laws of the trek universe according to the tech they have.
>>69975079
>Borg Drone: "Why don't we just send two cubes, my queen?"
>Borg Queen: "Because that would be an inefficient usage of our resources, you drone."
>Borg Drone: "Oh, okay, sorry."
>>69975079
Replicators. Don't. Make. Something. Out. Of. Nothing.
They require huge amounts of power and a framework in which to operate. Not to mention there are things that starships require that can't be replicated, like deuterium. I'm going to bet your average replicator can't replicate another replicator because of the same reason.
As other Anons have said, it's a matter of practicality. It is wasteful to patrol a low-risk area with a ship that houses a thousand people when a ship that crews thirty will do the job just fine. Dilithium can't be replicated, so having thousands of Enterprise Es kicking around would be an unnecessarily wasteful endeavor. People will still have to assemble these ships, since Replicators working in tandem could only produce parts, and can't attach them to other parts.
Starfleet isn't about being as efficient as possible either. As it has been said they "could've sent out a fleet of probes." Humans are in space because they want to be there. Some humans may enjoy crewing an older ship closer to home, so they could be nearer to their families.
What is the armament of the lollipop?
>>69977625
It's armed with... photonic cannons.
>>69977820
I honestly believe Voyager would have cancelled before Enterprise if not for The Doctor, he was the most human character on the show
>>69977904
God, you are so right.
Every single scene with Bob Picardo is worthy of watching, even in the worst Voyager episodes.
Not to mention, he basically, by osmosis, gives other characters' bland personalities and upgrade just by engaging in the dialogue. Why the writers were so good at getting him right and so good at getting 4/5 of the other crew wrong is beyond me.
>>69977904
Was one of the only actors playing a (holographic) human who didn't pay attention to the "act wooden to make the aliens more interesting" meme the producers were pushing on the cast.
Friendly reminder that Dukat did nothing wrong.
>>69978110
Friendly reminder that later-season Dukat was a complete retard and did EVERYTHING wrong.
The writers ruined him.
Earlier-Season Dukat did indeed nothing wrong though, your goddamn right about that.
>>69946707
/thread
Does any of you nerds know what these symbols are on the purple sign to the right?
I don't think it's Bajoran because that's more curvy and modern bajoran has letters rather than symbols. The spikyness could be Cardassian like their buildings and people but I don't recall seeing their written language anywhere, maybe a small map of the area?
>>69978241
>I don't think it's Bajoran because that's more curvy and modern bajoran has letters rather than symbols
e.g. pic related which is a list of Bajoran names
>>69978075
>'Virtuoso'
>Paul Williams is the ruler of a race that don't know music
>Voyager comes back from commercial break
>Robert Picardo is singing a duet with a tiny version of himself
Jesus, that episode has me in stitches every time I watch it.
>>69977625
Ten....
SIX!
>>69978327
Oh so you answer his question but not mine?
>>69978241
>>69978283
I don't notice it either.
I assume that it was just a random design made by the set decorators who needed something at the time to create an alien aesthetic.
I wouldn't put too much weight in their being an actual design to it in relation to other languages.
>>69978382
...
>>69978241
>>69978283
>>69978394
5 strips of Latinum says it's Cardassian for 'Goes nowhere, does nothing'
>>69978823
sorry, I'm a federation citizen
i.e. I'm bankrupt
>>69978874
Daily reminder that the Federation isn't really communist because people like Riker don't have to give up their gambling earnings
And who is fronting all these gambling officers anyway?
>>69978963
Corrupt / Parasite Admirals who realize using a currency only for necessary components is counter intuitive to their evil plans.
>>69978963
I mean, you might have something worth selling to a species that does do money.
>>69946707
well then, discussion over time to move to something different
just got into ds9 and i have to say that sisko's acting is by far the worst among all other series
>>69981260
>bumping after nearly an hour
just let the thread die, this was a shitty OP for such a long one, I beg of you
>>69946669
A running theme of the Klingons is that they're just a bunch of hypocritical assholes whose culture is pure lip service.
>>69981559
I was posting on this thread before, and I had to run and do something. Didn't realize it was on page 10 when I came back.
>>69981799
>Lying because you're a neet-nigger
>>69978534
>>69983355
>>69959259
There's one episode where Enterprise is using a cloak and they're terrified of breaking this treaty.
>>69946669
From which star trek movie/series is that ?
>>69983838
That's a behind the scenes image from Star Trek The Next Generation, Marina Sirtis before makeup
>>69983355
Klingon honor is a lot like Samurai uonor. Victory is what matters. Contrary what Hollywood will lead you to believe, the samurai used dirty as fuck tactics whenever possible, even in duels. It was not unheard of to have a duel arranged, then one guy brings in his homies to ambush the one guy and kill him so the other guy could win.
>>69946669
looks like someone could have used a cloaking device around the Mound of Venus, if you know what I mean
Daily reminder that there is no conclusive evidence to prove that Porthos was in fact a good boy.
