This board is full of plebians. To prove it, I shall try to initiate a discussion about the shock victory of the Palme d'Or by Ken Loach's film "I, Daniel Blake".
To give you plebs something slightly easier to talk about, let's also discuss generally the body of work of based Loach. Favourite film? For me it has to be Land and Freedom. The complexities of revolutionary struggle, and the contribution of the International Divisions during the Spanish Civil War, is shown with such deftness (including a depth of emotion usually missing from post-Brechtian leftist work) that the ideas portrayed within the film resonate with me years after watching.
Here is an article, in case anyone needs some context:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36355313
>>69916837
>Divisions during the Spanish Civil War
Fuck off, Marvel cuck. Batman v Superman was better than your entire cinematic quipverse, and there's nothing you can do about it.
>Palme d'Or
What?
>Ken Loach
Who?
>film
Never heard of it
>>69916967
top kek
>>69916837
Woah thats a lot of big words buddy, why dont you take your fancy words back to your fancy town boy
>>69916837
Only seen My Name is Joe, geez, seventeen years ago. That was another Cannes winner, for Peter Mullan's performance. It was subtitled in English because the accents were so thick. I'm not interested in seeing more Loach, based on his reputation.
>>69917099
>based on his reputation
Genuinely quite interested what you mean by this. You're from the US I am assuming? What reputation does he have?
People here must have seen Kes, otherwise why are you even watching films and talking about them on the internet fuck what are you doing
>>69916967
>reading this post
>imagining a Marvel movie directed by Loach
Spiderman would be a guy who gets bitten by a radioactive spider, then tries in vain to get treatment, but is hindered by the inequities of the American healthcare system. As a result, he decides to use his illness to help the poor and become a champion of worker's rights. Eventually, his final enemy is the very media giant he works for to fund this vigilante revolutionary activity. The film ends with an unresolved moral conundrum about whether it is better to continue using capitalism as a means to alleviate suffering where possible, or whether Spiderman ought to attempt take down the whole establishment in the hope it will engender a new form of societywhich he would achieve by web-slinging his way through the corporate world, hanging up corrupt CEOs, using his webbing, for the police to arrest in much the same way as he did to the petty crooks. Would watch, 10/10
>>69916837
>Ken Loach
It's no longer the 1980's and Thatcher is dead.
Give it a rest m8.
>>69917460
>Thatcher is dead
The beast is dead by her ideas live on. Until they're dead too, Loach will always be relevant, mate.
>>69917460
Oh, and best Loach is Riff Raff or Raining Stones.
>>69917182
That he makes boring British social realism films, usually to promote socialism and socialist values. That sounds like a recipe for a snoozefest, and I don't much care for British films in the first place.
Not really interested in some northern pinko communist's musings on a discredited ideology, desu, nor am I interested in watching incredibly dreary and depressing kitchen sink dramas about malnourished young men.
you can call me a pleb but if I'm going to spend two hours sitting in front of a tv screen, i want to see human beings punched through walls and spaceships exploding, not some scouse cunt shouting at his wife
>>69917542
>you can call me a pleb
No need, the evidence already speaks volumes.
>>69917429
I'd watch the SHIT out of that.
>>69917525
Land and Freedom is a war film. You people like war films, right?
Quite sincerely, try watching 'Looking for Eric' (in which the footballer Eric Cantona appears to a bloke to dish out obscure philosophical advice to help the bloke deal with the guilt of abandoning his true love). It probably shows best how the category 'social realism' doesn't quite fit with Loach, since the whole film is based on a surrealist premise. Admittedly, the tone of most of his work is 'realist', but this does not detract from the political depth which is illuminated within the film itself.
>>69916837
Daniel Blake is vastly over rated. The cinematography is Spielberg tier, there's really nothing to be said because it's clear he was shooting for efficiency, not for visual drama. You may try to excuse this with the film's budget or production problems, but really it's just laziness on the director's part. The film is also devoid of any thematic substance. Oh really, family is important? Gee, way to hammer out those Harry Potter tier life introspections. Maybe next you'll tell me the government is corrupt.
Those frog eaters need to quit stuffing their asses with somber, chain-smoking, tales of how woeful it is living in a country where there's plenty of food on the table, just because "muh babby's first exestintial dred."
>>69917854
I think you're missing the crucial context of the film. It comes at a time when anti-austerity politics is starting to build. The fact he shoots for 'efficiency' I think underlies the influence of Brecht (hence the mention in the OP), whilst his commitment to displaying emotion demonstrates a political commitment to the idea that showing just a snippet of lived life can fuel the flames of political action.
Loach's films have been entirely mis-categorised as 'dramas' when that is merely the form they take. The aim of his work is to reify abstract social-political struggles. The artistic value derives from this use-value rather than from the more superficial form of the film itself.
>>69918674
I can't tell if this is b8.
>>69918674
Excellent post
>>69918711
Show me how I'm wrong then maybe I'll pretend it was bait.
Seriously though, the theme is not 'family is important'. The theme is 'neoliberalism ought to end'. How this is not substantial enough for you I cannot understand.
>>69916837
he sucks, it was a award out of pity
kill yourself pleb
>>69918812
Ironic shiposting or the pure type? Not that it matters, of course
>>69918674
why would I give a fuck about such a specific shit almost exclusive to british culture?
you also fly over crap that's specific, to lets say the balkans or south america, so why would anybody not living there watch this shitty movie?
>>69918990
Clearly the multinational panel at Cannes thought it was worth watching. I get your point about the fact we overlook countries struggling with greater problems, but I do think that we should therefore be encouraging more, not less, interaction with the specific struggles of each nation. Maybe this way we can grasp the realities of austerity across the Western world and identify very specific areas for improvement.
It might be 'boring' for you, but for those of us interested in ending the very problems the film focuses on it is an invaluable work which could (to coin an ancient, unfashionable term) raise consciousness.
>>69918990
Humanist perspectives are global, and even scenarios of specificity can be easily appreciated and understood by individuals with a wide range of interests, or simply ones that like to watch good films.
You're just stupid.
>>69918990
>>69919181
Also:
>almost exclusive to british culture
Well the fact is this is untrue. The particulars may be exclusive but the political reality which engenders them is something we're all living with in the west following the 2008 crash.
>>69916837
>I haven't been here the last week: the condescending post
I was actually proud that we had daily live Cannes threads this year
Don't remember that happening the last couple of years on this board
>>69919324
Shit I haven't been here the last week. Alright m8 you got me (but we have had live Cannes threads in the past, senpai). Can you blame me for being condescending given not only the prevalence of GoT threads at the moment, but also the general tone of this thread's responses (with some glorious exceptions, as always on /tv/).
>>69919181
I agree with what you're saying, I was just trying to prove a point how many of us overlook really good movies just cause they demand a certain knowledge of the world
>>69919188
that was my whole you retarded faggot, learn to read first
>>69919245
with all due respect, and obviously I haven't seen the film, but from his filmography I bet it's a very british movie.
>>69919401
you haven't missed out on much, it mostly derived to Refn shillposting
>>69919181
>Clearly the multinational panel at Cannes thought it was worth watching.
Yet the multinational body of film critics at Cannes thought it was barely average tripe. And like most of the recent socio-political films that have won awards at Cannes it will be soon forgotten.
>>69919480
>that was my whole you retarded faggot, learn to read first
>>69919480
As a Brit, maybe it's hard for me to identify where the film is 'British' to the exclusion of a possible enjoyment by someone from another nation. However, I would say that it might be a valuable asset to the world insofar as it demonstrates to Europe and the wider world that despite the lies about Britain being some kind of welfare utopia, our current government, wielding the blind axe of neoliberal ideology, seeks to undermine what the people once struggled so hard to win. In other words, it is a film from the original European neoliberal nation demonstrating the effects of that ideology in the present day.
Equally, you have inspired me - I shall now dedicate the next few films I watch to some pan-global films along the same vein.
>>69919558
And Dolan hateposting
