dumb quotes itt
>>69352513
>1x1=1
>"How can it equal one?" he said. "If one times one equals one that means that two is of no value because one times itself has no effect. One times one equals two because the square root of four is two, so what's the square root of two? Should be one, but we're told it's two, and that cannot be."
>>69352550
>>69352703
Im gonna be honest with you senpaitachi.
I can't dispute his logic.
Serious question.
Dinosaur lived on planet earth for million of years, why didn't the become more advanced? Why did evolution work backward for them?
Why did T-rexes turn into fucking chickens?
>>69352784
>so what's the square root of two? Should be one, but we're told it's two
>were told it's two
We're not told it's two
>>69352513
This is accurate though
There's not a single evidence of one species evolving to another, only adaptations of the same species.
Evolution is still a theory, idk why you fedora fags take it as absolute truth
>>69352967
we are still monkeys nigga. tadpole ---> frog
>>69352967
Humans have a tail when forming into babby
>>69353015
This "tail"?
>>69352513
How is this dumb? I never heard a decent answer to this despite "science did it don't question it"
>>69353106
dunno I aint no anthropologeziac nigga
>>69353106
>mammal (human)
thanks for clearing that up
>>69352817
Depends on how you define advanced. Evolution doesn't guarantee sentience/intelligence. It guarantees your useful, specialized traits carry over. For humans that happened to be intelligence.
>>69352967
Well if you keep denying it as a very plausible theory if not fact at this point,you are welcome to be a retard if you like but the evidence stacks against you
I thought that two groups split off from a common ancestor. One eventually became the modern chimp and the other became the modern homosexual.
Or I don't know. Fuck this Negrano Americano, I just watch cape shit.
>>69353340
I bet you have never read a biology book in your life, but please enlighten me. What unrefuted real evidence does evolution have?
>>69353292
There are several types of mammals, son.
>>69353472
Lincoln knew his shit.
>>69353481
I bdt you think your parents genes arent passed down to you either. that you just look like them by magic.
is it so hard to believe that over millions of years that mutations passed down lead to the hairless standing ape?
"Next time, baby"
>>69352817
That's the thing though, they managed to survive 4 million years without needing those adaptations. They were suited to their environment enough that they didn't require certain advancements. Equilibrium.
Human ancestors developed certain adaptations which made them weaker and less specialized overall, thus they needed intelligence to make up for said deficiencies. Who's to say humans in our current state will survive anywhere close to 4 million years.
I came into this thread hoping for dumb shit said by celebrities.
Got math and people doubting evolution.
>>69353472
>Don't go to Ford's Theater tomorrow
Why didn't he listen to this tweet?
>>69353173
It's extremely dumb.
>"Why are there still monkeys"
A population of premonkeys that were different from both humans and modern monkeys became spread over a large area.
over time, the premonkeys that benefited from intelligence and other human traits because of their environment evolved into humans as more human like traits (different diet, focus on endurance musculature, tool use, increased brain capacity) helped them survive.
The premonkeys that benefitted from more musculature and required less brain power, (so as not to waste valuable calories) and other monkey traits due to their environment became monkeys.
>A group of people who live in the cold look at a photo of people in warm environments.
>"these people don't have jackets"
>"If adaptation is real, and we adapted by aquiring jackets, why do people without jackets still exist?"
>>69353663
Gun beats all
That's enough for more than 10 million years.
>>69353722
Nuke kills all
That ends it at about 200,000 years
>>69352784
He backs up his claim by making another claim. That doesn't even make any sense.
>>69353663
>weaker and less specialized overall
This stupid myth again. The "humans have nothing another animal can't do better" meme.
Distance running. Humans can walk or jog and keep going far, far longer than any other animal. And prior to the development of agriculture around 12000 years ago (that is, for a period of about 200,000 years since modern humans emerged as a species), humans were hunters of large game largely by chasing it until the prey was too exhausted to get away. Humans can follow any herd to prey on it, and travel to find new herds easily.
It may or not be the "best" advantage any animal has ever had, but it IS an advantage.
>>69353834
And nothing left to take this Earth after us.
gg
>>69353173
If America came from Britain, why are there still British people?
>>69352817
Some dinosaurs evolved into birds, not T. rex though.
>>69353481
Fuck, I'll bite. Why the fuck do you think they need to develop new flu shots every season? You can see evolution working at the microscopic level as resistance builds.
>>69352817
Two things to consider when talking about evolution. First is the false idea that something is "more" or "less" advanced. Other than animals becoming more complex over the ages, evolution isn't about being "advanced", it's just about what animals can survive in their environment. It also doesn't work "backwards"
>Why did T-rexes turn into fucking chickens>
They didn't. The T-rexes all died out. Much smaller dinosaurs turned into fucking chickens. And to be honest, they probably didn't look too much different then than they do today.
>>69353904
>Humans can walk or jog and keep going far, far longer than any other animal.
not true. dogs use the same method of hunting and can outperform humans.
>>69353568
>>69354036
Where is the evidence?
>>69354180
Humans can outpace dogs after about two kilometers, for one, but the impression is skewed a bit because most humans today do not have the endurance practice a "wild" human would. Humans can travel 20-30 kilometers in a day depending on terrain, while dogs can't last as long. They're close, though, which is a big reason they became our best friends.
>>69354487
>the entire easily google-able fossil record
>current and ongoing examples of virus and bacteria evolving and adapting also easy to Google
>selective breeding in dogs producing very different animals over a few hundred years (an incredibly small window of time biologically speaking)
Get you some Google faggot. That's more than enough evidence to prove these concepts work to a rational person.
>>69354622
>current and ongoing examples of virus and bacteria evolving and adapting also easy to Google
>proof that evolution is the origin of species
Wat?
>>69354809
Evolution is the process by which species change. It's not the same as abiogenesis.
>>69354899
Glad we agree. But my point is that viruses or bacteria proof jackshit about where elephants came from
>>69354809
>"I want evidence that evolution is real!"
there's tons of evidence, I'm telling you what topics you can Google to see the principles of evolution in action you dumbshit.
This is about as close to actually spoonfeeding you as I can manage over the internet.
>>69352513
>>69352550
>>69352703
You know he's trolling, right?
>>69355026
So do it. Just "it's real because I say it is" doesn't count
>>69354622
>the entire easily google-able fossil record
This is only evidence of gradual change, not evoluton. Maybe when they find the "missing link"
>current and ongoing examples of virus and bacteria evolving and adapting also easy to Google
Yes, bacterias and virus will adapt to their host or environment. But we are talking about species.
>selective breeding in dogs producing very different animals over a few hundred years (an incredibly small window of time biologically speaking)
How is that proof of anything? These dogs are the result of years and years of selective breeding, not evolution
>>69355106
no, he's just dumb because he's black
>>69354962
The fossil record shows gradual changing of species into various subspecies and, on a long enough time scale, entirely different species. Gradual change is literally evolution. It takes millions of years and is A VERY GRADUAL CHANGE GENERATION BY GENERATION. The fact that viruses and bacteria adapt and change over time indicates that they are evolving in extremely small ways. This is a microcosm of what happens over millions of years.
You have a car. Piece by piece, part by part, over years of time, you replace and add and remove segments that don't radically change it, but slightly alter it's fuction to make it more optimal to current conditions. If this sort of thing took place over a million years, you honestly don't think you'd wind up with something completely different from the car you started with?
>>69355298
>here we have a volvo, here a ferrari with volvo tires, and here a ferrari. This prooves the Volvo developes into a ferrari over time
>>69352513
Nice autocritique.
>>69355392
Ah. You're either a troll or literally too dumb to explain things to.
I'm glad you'll never breed, especially since youre too stupid to understand anything about the reproductive process.
>if Terrence Howard wasn't a selfish idiot he'd probably have his own War Machine movie by now
>>69355507
>I have TONS of evidence for evolution
>post it
>HAHAHA STUPID TROLL I INSULT YOU THAT MEANS I WIN
>>69352550
You don't have two 1's. It's just one 1. You can't multiply 1 with nothing else. Same reason you can't multiple 1 by 0. You can't have zero of something and still try to multiply it six times. You have six nothings.
1 is single
1x2 is two singles
2x2 is two singles plus two other singles
Square root of 4 is 2.
There's a square root of 2 but it's not whole, and it's not 1.
Fuck you fucking faggots. I don't even know what I'm trying to say anymore. It's not fucking 1 okay? Just idk grab a calculator. Shit. Fucking black people intentionally making things hard for themselves. Debating shit instead of just solving the problem.
>>69355298
Fossils are not an evidence, because the missing link, which would prove the whole thing, does not exist. And I'm not just talking about the monkeys into humans, but this is missing on every species they say evolved into another. Go ahead and looks ths up.
>>69355804
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
>>69355585
More like there's so much available you shouldn't need any help to find it, so i wouldn't even know where to start
http://ideonexus.com/2012/02/12/101-reasons-why-evolution-is-true/
Tell you what, if you actually want evidence, and aren't just deliberately stupid, here's one the first Google results. 101 reasons actually means 101 general topics which all support evolution, each one containing dozens of links to more evidence. It's a big scientific rabbit hole. I'm just gonna let you sort through it, because it's simple and accessable, and I'm posting from my phone so it'd be a pain in the ass to post a shit ton of links.
If you're grown enough to use a keyboard you should have been able to find all of this from the topics I mentioned earlier. Go school yourself.
>>69355804
Yeah, nobody is looking for the missing link, there is no such thing. Evolution is not a chain. Just a point brought up by dummies such as yourself
This is what you get when you start trying to shame non-religious people out of 4chan, the fucking retards emerge.
>>69355804
>missing links
Depends on how incrimental you want to go, they don't have every single step but they have steps 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,__,14,15,16,17,18,19,20 et cetera for not species. At this point you're just being willfully ignorant, pic related.
>>69355146
It is a mathematical principal.
if you believe that dna and mutation works then you must believe in evolution, maybe not the specifics of us coming from monkeys if that triggers you so hard, but just the idea of natural selection.
>>69355980
That's one fucking retarded site.
>25 Human emigration over the planet
That's all. That counts as evidence for evolution. Sorry but I don't have enough faith to believe this
>>69356209
Yeah I do. I don't see reason to blieve that that's the origin of species though
>>69356290
Do you believe what scientists have told us about how DNA functions? How genetics function? Do you believe that organisms can undergo mutations? Please answer yes or no to these questions.
>>69356340
Yes, yes, yes
>>69356414
So what's the problem?
>>69356290
Did you actually read beyond the titles or are you confirming you self for an actual retarded person who doesn't WANT evidence
>>69356447
>organisms can undergo mutations
Yeah I get it. A dog with short legs can reach animals who dug holes for example so taller dogs can't survive in that region etc.
Doesn't it seem more likely that in the beginning
there were already "a" dog race which then developed into all the dogs while a bird developed into different birds instead of "Birds and whales have the same ancestor"
>>69355106
If he is, he should come out and say it, because now everyone thinks he's actually retarded.
>>69354034
This thread is only for dumb quotes
>>69355162
>How is that proof of anything? These dogs are the result of years and years of selective breeding, not evolution
hahhahahahahaha, you dumb motherfucker
>>69356622
>"Birds and whales have the same ancestor"
But nobody has ever argued that ever to my knowledge.
>>69353938
at least we will be the last that's smth
>>69356622
Yes anon. This is a great theory that no one has ever considered before. I'm surprised evolutionary scientists haven't caught on to this yet. Maybe you should give them a call and let them know
>>69352967
>>69353173
>>69356622
So then why the fuck do dolphins have finger bones?? Are you people really this fucking stupid. Why is your frame of reference that dogs are totally separate from humans? Humans share something like 95% of their DNA with a house fly. Dogs and humans both have a heart, both breathe oxygen... we're really similar when you actually think about it.
>>69354493
>They're close, though, which is a big reason they became our best friends.
Exactly. Just imagine the first guy that tamed a wolf from pup and went on a hunt with it and made some of the easiest kills of his life.
Chieftain day one.
>>69356888
>Humans share something like 95% of their DNA with a house fly
[citation needed]
>>69356622
Add one step to your description and your almost there.
>>69357361
Yeah it's actually 36% or so that anon was hyperbolic, but his point was we do share DNA with other organisms on this planet.
>>69356622
I'm not saying it's impossible that a species just manifested itself (through a godhead or otherwise)
Just consider that that is rather complex, just as complex and if not more complex than every species being built up from single cellular organisms.
>>69357533
So? Obviously there will be similarities since we share the same environment. But there's also huge differences that bear no similarity. "Same creator" seems thus more likely than "same ancestor" no?
>>69354180
Its suggested that the reason man and proto-dog became such bro's because we're both social "persistence predators." Nature's equivalent of Jason Voorhees chasing stupid teens in the woods, but with friends. Dogs are happy to fill subservient roles in exchange for food, and it was easier to work with people then to try and fight them for the same resources since people were better at it. The rest is history.
>>69357361
https://www.genome.gov/10005835/
page search 60, retardo
>>69352967
Evolution is a theory like gravity is a theory.
>>69354960
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephantidae
>>69357713
No it doesn't, there is tangible proof that we share DNA with other animals and no tangible proof that we were created by a higher power.
>inb4 fedora
>>69356772
This is a great stupid quote. If only this anon was famous.
Is Terrence Howard among us?
>>69357713
I'm sorry, how could you have possibly come up with this post? There is ample evidence we share DNA with multiple organisms on Earth, and somehow you managed to shoehorn in the possibility of a creator?
>>69352967
>>69353173
>>69354487
>>69354809
retard question here
is it possible the big bang created some sort of after life
>>69355162
>How is that proof of anything? These dogs are the result of years and years of selective breeding, not evolution
lolololol
>>69357862
You (or whoever I replied to) pointed out the similarities between humans and mammals. I said that is obvious since we share the same environment and have to "function" similarly. That theory doesn't explain the grave differences between species that cannot be explained through over time-adaption (like wings)
>>69357946
The spiritual world and the material world are separated. So it existed beore that technically
>>69358004
Flying squirrels. Just progress that skin glider concept far enough, tada, wings.
>>69355162
kek every missing link discovery means there are just two more missing links
kek he believes that micro evolution and macroevolution are different
kek he thinks selective breeding is different than natural selection
>>69358004
>pointed out the similarities between humans and mammals
They pointed out the similarities between our DNA and other organisms.
> I said that is obvious since we share the same environment and have to "function" similarly
That has absolutely zero to do with how we share DNA.
> That theory doesn't explain the grave differences between species that cannot be explained through over time-adaption (like wings)
Mutation and the passing on of genes doesn't explain how organisms have different phenotypes?
>>69358004
>Before we can answer how and why flight evolved, we must understand how and why wings evolved; without wings there can be no flight. How did wings evolve? Scientists generally agree that wings must have been exaptations; they were used by the ancestor for one function, and became useful for flight among the descendants (if they weren't exaptations, then they were adaptations, which would mean that they were wings already used for powered flight; a circular argument).
A comparative study of the functional morphology of the wings of the earliest known flying members of the lineage with the "pre-wing" structures of likely ancestors and close relatives provides the best evidence for how wings evolved. Why wings (and hence flight) evolved from this point is a matter of contention among scientists; various hypotheses proposed include:
Wings evolved from arms used to capture small prey. (This seems rational, so we can ask whether the ancestral forms were actually doing this.)
Wings evolved because bipedal animals were leaping into the air; large wings assisted leaping. (This is possible; any amount of wing could assist leaping. Remember that we first need phylogenetic evidence for a bipedal running or leaping origin.)
Wings were used as sexual display structures; bigger wings were preferred by potential mates. (This is a non-falsifiable evolutionary hypothesis — we cannot test it.)
Wings evolved from gliding ancestors who began to flap their gliding structures in order to produce thrust. (This is reasonable and possible, but only with phylogenetic evidence for an arboreal gliding origin.)
It seems that #1, #2, and #4 are the best hypotheses to use for the origin of wings because they can be tested by bringing in other lines of evidence. Move on to consider these origins, but remember: the issues of the evolution of flight and the origins of flight are inextricably linked.
>>69357533
36% with flies, 95% with other mammals though, like mouses and rats, etc. With chimps its like 99%
>>69352967
>I have no idea what a scientific theory is
>>69358135
>They pointed out the similarities between our DNA and other organisms
Same point though isn't it? Of course our DNA will be similar if we have to function in the same environment. This could be just as good an argument for a designer to use the same DNA for various animals
>>69358078
>>69358143
As cute as the idea of a squirrel just jumping of a cliff and paddling it's arms sounds this is literally just: "IF we think evolution is real how could wings have evolved". Not trying to be demeaning but where is the starting point in that theory? Where do gliding squirrels come from? Squirrels just don't casually jump off cliffs and those without gliders die. Why did the gliders evolve in the first place if they had to be in place before the squirrel jumped?
>>69358474
You're pulling a fallacy here man, I forget the name but there really is no point in continuing this any further. This statement here:
>Of course our DNA will be similar if we have to function in the same environment
makes no sense in a vacuum, and I was wondering why you brought it up before and then I read your next sentence:
>This could be just as good an argument for a designer to use the same DNA for various animals
I cannot argue against the former statement, when you're using this latter one as your backup, as we are now solely speaking in assumptions about a supposed creator. Enjoy your evening.
>>69358474
>everyone and everything was custom made by an omniscient being. So he used the same DNA across many different "completely different" species, including all the junk code that creatures share
Wow this creator would be a shitty coder.
>I'm going to not read any of the evidence presented and pretend that my completely unsupported ideas are more valid than what scientists presented as a possible solution to a question. Their solution is based on their extensively documented and supported theory which already explains 99% of questions similar to this. I think that's all bunk.
>>69353513
And? That one specifically says mammal of the human variety "son".
>>69358580
>You're pulling a fallacy here man
I'm asking a question. Don't know why me merely asking antagonizes you if you have proof fr your assertions
>makes no sense in a vacuum
What?
>as we are now solely speaking in assumptions about a supposed creator
No we aren't. I'm asking how shared DNA prooves evolution. And the only response I get is "we share DNA"
>>69358474
>Where do gliding squirrels come from?
If a squirrel population lives in an area requiring the squirrels to make lots of long jumps for food, the the squirrels best able to make those jumps will survive and reproduce. Sometimes really helpful mutations can occur that make the squirrels better suited for jumping between trees and eventually, over thousands of years, they can glide.
>>69358004
THIS autism.
>they said the internet would be a nice place
>they said people would use it to educate themselves
>>69356622
>Birds and whales have the same ancestor
Life had an original vector, between any two living things, if you go far enough back, they share a common ancestor.
The history of agriculture and animal husbandry should be all the proof you need for the effects of selective breeding on life. In those cases it's an artificial selection process, in nature its a natural process.
Take corn for instance. I'm not talking about GMO corn or anything so contemporary, but the plant itself. It's not natural, its the product of humans breeding the damn thing for the characteristics that make it a good foodsource. Maize, in its natural form (which still grows wild in parts of central america) looks like any other grain with a slightly larger pod at the end. Within the lifespan of mankind we have shaped and domesticated wild animals so successfully that we pretty much MADE new species.You've never heard about a wild chicken before, have you?
Natural selection, which is all anyone is talking about when they say "evolution" just means that the animal that is best adapted to spread its genes tends to outbreed those less adapted. Repeat ad infinitium over countless generations and you start seeing different creatures moving into new niches opened up by other creatures moving into new niches, a few extinction level events wipe the board clean except for a few specialized survivors that then begin to slowly expand to adapt new niches.
>>69358688
>missing the point this much
Why are you so mad?
>>69353481
>OOGA BOOGA! DE WITCH DOCTER SAY DA ERF WUZ CREATED IN SEBBEN DAYS.
Why don't you just put a bone through your nose and join de tribe already?
>>69358764
>I'm asking how shared DNA prooves evolution
Because if you accept DNA exists, and its functions: one of which including mutation, then you must accept that evolution exists. If you were to cut evolution into two pieces, they would be "DNA allows organisms to experience mutation," and "mutation allows animal to survive and reproduce," natural selection. That's it.
What you seem to have a problem with is the notion of a common ancestor, and I cannot argue against that if you bring up the assumption that a creator "could" have done this or that.
>>69358775
>Sometimes really helpful mutations can occur that make the squirrels better suited for jumping between trees and eventually, over thousands of years, they can glide.
Yeah but you can't glide with say a "microwing" that over thousands of years evolves into a wing. There is a fair amount of time when that evolved wing is useless so why would the genemutation be an evolutionary advantage?
>>69353292
nigga wut
>>69353481
mmmm, that is actually occurs, for one thing. Numerous studies are done with quickly reproducing animals like flies, mice, etc. Genes are passed from parents to offspring.
>those are just a few very specific instances!!
which is a few more instances than anyone has ever shown creationism at work
>>69355106
I don't think he is trolling, mate. I mean the whole reason he never finished his degree is he wouldn't let go of that shit. His wife left him because he was spending all his free time building plastic models to 'demonstrate' that 1x1=2. There's an interview with him in some magazine where he talks about it.
![directional%20selection[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/WdWn7la.png "directional%20selection[1].png")
>It's a I don't understand how natural selection and microevolution works episode.
How could anyone have graduated high school and not understand the basic principles of evolution?
>>69353692
Because it was Boothe's Twitter feed, you idiot.
>>69355621
That's a very long and inefficient way of saying that multiplication is iterated addition.
>>69352513
so why are blacks inferior in every way to white men?
>>69359071
In parts of the American south they're required to teach evolution, so they teach how it's wrong and God created life.
>>69356828
USCA or Universal Single Common Ancestor is widely accepted.
>>69359071
Yeah but this doesn't proove where moths come from in the first place
>>69358939
>the autism in this thread
It's neither advantageous nor disadvantageous for a while. It's initially driven by chance, as are all things. A mutation occurs. Either the animal lives with no effect, a positive effect, or a negative effect to how it survives/reproduces. The skin flap starts out as a neutral thing, and eventually becomes viable for flight.
Are you really not capable of making this mental bridge yourself?
>>69359071
It's politicized. You can't avoid that these days.
In the Ken Ham vs Bill Nye debate Bill brought up a subject about there's no medical radiological studies field in Kentucky, which has nothing to do with the debate. Ham also brought up worldviews and nonsense like that.
It's not about discovering the truth. It's politicized nonsense.
>>69359171
See: >>69358907
So to be absolutely clear, you have NO problems with how evolution functions, just with the origins of certain species?
>>69359171
Because that's not the question it's answering you dense fuck
>>69359195
>It's neither advantageous nor disadvantageous for a while.
Then why haven't all creatures evolved wings? Or at least a lot more?
>>69359252
Think about things before you ask these questions
I thought creationism was a meme, how can people believe this.
>>69359206
I have no problem with it I just don't see it. Squirrelbro is raising some good points but this only explains evolution between close species not some stuff like crocodiles and lions for example
>>69359252
Now you're just blatantly ignoring my posts. Mutations are random, as the other anon said it's driven by chance. If it works, it works. If it does not, that organism will die. That is evolution.
>>69359349
micro evolution and macro evolution are the same thing given enough time.
>>69358825
Nigga I'm not mad. I'm exasperated. I know people like you, I was a person like you.
I grew up in an evangelical church. I went to a camp called "worldview" as preteen, I went 4 times. They taught "apologetics", or essentially christian debate one liners. At this camp they taught us how the Christian worldview disproved everything else. They taught us that evolution was a lie and myth perpetuated by scientists who were afraid of there being a god. They used so many logical fallacies and in many cases, urban legends and misatributed quotes to "prove" that Christianity was more logical or scientific than actual science. It was brainwashing, pure and simple. Nothing they said stood up to scrutiny outside of their echo chamber. And once I started to look up things they cited as facts I started to see it for what it was.
You're so insulated from outside knowledge, so afraid of anything that you can't explain that you won't even look at the evidence presented and rely on the same logical fallacies and dramatic leaps that characterized those people. You remind me of me back when I willfully denied anything I couldn't explain with a trite quote from a better philosopher.
>>69359343
If you can believe in healing chakras why not creationism or FET?
>>69359252
Because of the two things I mentioned in the post you idiotically responded to: chance hasn't allowed for it and/or the cost moving in that direction is too high.
In other words, maybe we're just waiting for the evolutionary mutation in someone that pushes humans to start in the direction of flight. On the other hand, maybe it's happened before, but any time someone was born with webbed fingers the loss in dexterity made them less suitable for their environment.
I'm done teaching you about evolution. If you don't want to believe it then you don't have to. Your children, if you have any, deserve better than the education you received.
>>69359350
Why do evolutionists always get so triggered over simple questions? Given enough time it seems fairly reasonable that this mutation would occur in more species. This isn't ignoring your point it's building up on it
>>69359395
How so?
>>69359350
>If it works, it works. If it does not, that organism will die.
Or its just a minor translation error in the shitloads of filler DNA that doesn't do anything. Most mutations are benign.
>>69359460
>You're so insulated from outside knowledge, so afraid of anything that you can't explain
>on 4chan
Calm down autismo
>>69359200
The Bill Nye vs Ken Ham was always politicized because Bill Nye believes that in certain states ala Kentucky, the rampant belief in creationism is harming the next generation's prospects of living. In the state of Kentucky, taxpayers paid 18 million dollars for a Noah's Ark exhibit instead of that money going to schools to further education in things like coding.
http://deadstate.org/kentucky-tax-payers-forced-to-fork-over-18-million-for-creationists-ark-encounter-theme-park/
It's not just about whether or not evolution is a thing, it's also the harm it is causing.
>>69352817
There is not one actual dinosaur fossil in the world. They're all put together to the best estimates and no one is allowed to actually test the bones independently in the first place
>>69359610
>no one is allowed to actually test the bones
Test them for what?
>>69353696
If Rust from True Detective said Jaden Smith quotes people would call it genius. There was a great quiz on collegehumor asking people whether something was a "Jaden Smith Quote" or a "Rust Quote" and most people got under half right.
>>69359668
The majority of people who watched True Detective don't actually discuss the things Rust talks about, they just wanted to sound smart because they watched such a deep show.
>ITT retards that still don't get how evolution works
>ITT retards that don't understand that a theory in science means it's proven
>>69359660
Lies
>>69359668
They aren't comparable at all, give me one Rust quote that could be Smith's
>>69359562
>tourism in Kentucky is dead
>let's fund the Ark to increase tourism
I chuckled a bit. How can anyone take anything seriously anymore?
>>69355612
I like that quote actually
>>69359460
Post what you will. It's not worth abandoning the faith.
>>69352817
I don't have patience to deal with this level of stupidity
>>69359668
because the people that like true detective are braindead
>>69359875
Did you just admit to all his accusations?
![finch-family-tree[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1oFMzvm.jpg "finch-family-tree[1].jpg")
>>69359507
Mutations occur all the time, doesn't mean they will take a foothold in the population. If there is no pressure of the population there is no reason why the mutated organism will have a greater chance to survive and thus allowing future generations to carry the same mutation.
Finches are a clear example of this, in remote islands there is limited food. So many new species emerged to exploit the other organisms inability to access those food sources.
Very few organisms would benefit from evolving wings, because they would need to drastically reduce their weight as the wings become more reliable over generations. These mutated organisms would be at a huge disadvantage compared to the generically normal organisms in the population and would just be bred out of the population.
Either way no matter what anyone tells you it won't make a difference because you are obviously willingly ignorant on this topic. Evolution happens every day on a bacterial level and that is easy to observe.
>>69359898
>>69359898
That wasn't me. It's some other guy
>>69359551
>calls someone else autismo
If you don't believe in evolution, then I hope you have a kid born with cystic fibrosis. You'll learn all about evolution real quick!
>>69359668
that's exactly the reason why S2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>S1
>>69352817
The environment was no longer hospitable for creatures of its size and diet
Think of sharks, they havent changed much in the overall design besides in size
So when large percentage of its prey disappeared over time they got smaller to be able to stick around
>>69359507
>How so?
How not so? You can observe changes and drift in species over a short time, the extrapolation is that enough minor changes over long enough time would eventually lead to speciation? Especially when you can have a single population split in two and isolated by geological and physical barriers now have two unique criteria for survival that begin the filtering process and microevolutions all over again, but in divergent directions.
Compare a ground squirrel and a tree squirrel, its not a huge stretch to see how a few instances of micro-evolutions to squirrel-prime could lead to one living in the tree tops with a big bushy tail and the other with a nub of a tail that lives in burrows dug under roots.
Its like the ship of theseus, except you're swapping parts until it's not a boat, it's a 4x4 monster truck.
>>69359875
>It's not worth abandoning the faith.
TOP KEK
>muh faith
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>69359790
I Know Who I Am. And After All These Years, There's A Victory In That.
>>69359930
Yeah you don't seem like you would've said that. I mean you're just asking questions to better understand something. That's more than what most folks can say.
>>69359790
Not him, but I could buy the bit about smelling the psychosphere as Jaden. Maybe also the part about 'mainlining the secret truth of the universe' (you might give that a pass because it's Rust derisively talking about his past self, but still).
>>69359668
Uhhhh, not quite. Rust saying something like "we've done this before" has meaning specific to the show in the sense that you can replay an episode and watch his life unfold over and over again. It's very self-conscious with that stuff; it's meta-discourse, not discourse.
>>69359875
>this person most likely doesn't live in your state because you're in the north east
feels so fuckin good, I hope you have a kid with cystic fibrosis
>>69359909
>>69359937
>I can't make my point without insults
>I HATE everybody who disagrees with me
Charming.
>you are obviously willingly ignorant on this topic
I'm asking to make the case for evolution to me how is that willingly ignorant?
To the bird guy what's with more complex stuff like fish being able to breath underwater? How did the first "proto-fish" not drown? And wouldn't stuff like seals who are basically just able to hold their breath really long be the more logical conclusion for gradual evolution?
>>69360093
>Implying Vermont isn't just as bad as Kentucky in terms of religion and economy
>>69359610
This. It's a cover-up to hide that primates are not native to Earth. There was a mass genocide of the indigenous.
>>69352967
You need to read some books
>>69359963
What's the thing with sea ground gigantism? More interesting what do you guys think about this noise which if from an animal has to be 7 times larger than a bluewhale?
>>69360141
>logical conclusion for gradual evolution?
There is no logical conclusion when most mutations were simply random and the organism happened to adapt properly.
Just to be clear again, you understand why other organisms don't have wings right? The other guy explained it succinctly.
>>69360141
Life started in the sea, dumbass. You really have no idea what you're talking about, the development of lungs is one of the most well understood topics in the development of life on Earth.
>>69360141
>I find any excuse I can to not refute all the facts being directed towards me.
Consciously ignoring all the facts in this thread makes you willingly ignorant.
>>69352967
t. protestant
>>69360198
Yeah. I was going from that. Wouldn't it be less likely that mutations that lead to underwater breathing keep getting passed on than just larger lungs that give an immediate rewardin longer diving periods?
>>69360141
>How did the first "proto-fish" not drown?
Not him, but complex life forms most likely began in the sea. Mammalian lung-based breathing came later.
HEY THE REST OF YOU GUYS
It's probably not worth engaging with the guy, but not because he's stupid. He doesn't appear to be stupid at all.If he isn't a troll thenhe's probably been brought up in a wildly different environment. Stop calling him thick and telling him to read books, start recommending actual books for him to read. If he ever changes his mind it won't be because some douche called him a faggot on 4chan.
>>69360141
Nothing anyone say is going to convince you because you've clearly already convinced yourself that evolution is bogus, despite you obviously knowing very little about it.
>>69360199
Out of curiosity does this count for plant cells too? Did plants evolve from one "proto-plant"? I can see why animals developed lungs to be able to hunt on land but how does this work in plants?
>>69359343
People believe in Baneposting
>>69360336
Plants evolved from the same common ancestor as animals, before animals developed into more complex life-forms.
>>69360301
Where did I say that?
>>69360355
Baneposting is fact. It exists. Unlike creationism.
>>69360282
Dude I gave him a veritable library of links to click through earlier in the thread, he didn't like that one of the topics was "human migration patterns as evidence" and wrote it all off wholesale. He doesn't want to learn anything.
>>69360271
>mutations that lead to underwater breathing keep getting passed on
And they did. That's why we have an abundant sea life to this day. (though for how much longer is anyone's guess.)
>than just larger lungs that give an immediate rewardin longer diving periods
When organisms developed lungs they went on land and started fucking that's how we have land animals today. At the time it probably would've been more beneficial to just chill in the ocean since they already were living there, but instinct drives beings to explore their limits. Organism surfaces above water, discovers that the surface doesn't hurt, why not keep exploring.
>>69360407
The point is that people believe in memeslike Trump
>>69360358
Not my point. Do "complex" plants evolve from other plants? How does selection in plants work? They are bound to their place aren't they?
>>69360461
Seeds and pollen actually travel a lot and are subject to the same mutations as in animal reproduction.
>>69360421
Well it's going to take time is all I'm saying. This thread won't end with him saying "Oh, I guess you guys were right."
>>69360441
Ironically evolution is more of a meme than creationism.
Don't reply if you don't get it.
>>69360461
>How does selection in plants work?
Changes in environment change the optimal genotypic profile. This results in differential survival rates among competing phenotypic profiles. Same as with animals, really.
>>69360461
It's actually even simpler for plants. When the environment changes (colder/hotter weather, more/less rain ect) the plants with mutations mildly more adapted to that change reproduce, and the ones that arent, die. Across generations this gives you different traits. It just takes behavioral stuff out of the equation so it's much simpler
>>69360529
>there are more butthurt feminists in elevators than there are muslimas being raped - richard darwins
>>69352817
intelligence doesnt neccessarily mean forwards in evolutionary steps. Humans may still prove that soon enough by wiping themselves out.
>>69360461
>they are bound to their place
Why would that matter?
For the people who don't understand evolution:
https://youtu.be/hOfRN0KihOU?t=8m3s
>>69360529
Creationism is a forced meme
>>69355162
>species.
bacteria are species.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria
>>69359875
>accepting evolution means you can't believe in God
ring ring it's the Pope, he's calling to tell you you're fucking retarded.
>>69360573
So just plants who need less water don't die in the desert?
>>69360593
Because earth is huge and it's probably not easy for seeds and pollen to reach different continents
>>69360461
>>69360461
>>69360461
>How does selection in plants work? They are bound to their place aren't they?
I'm fucking done. To anyone about to waste time trying to convince this person of evolution, just stop. I'm saving you time and depression.
To the fool, please, please educate yourself and don't let any kids you might have turn out like you. Seriously.
>>69360671
At one point the continent's were one land mass. And seeds can travel via migratory birds or mammals.
>>69360623
Funghi are not plants?
>>69360695
Seriously. This guy is beyond hope.
>>69360461
>How does selection in plants work?
The plants don't do the selecting. The environment does.
The plants best suited for the environment get to reproduce. The rest dies off.
It's really not that complicated.
>>69360754
Finches are not plants no.
>>69360786
No not really. But what's the "purpose" of fruit? How is it an advantage for the tree to develop fruit?
Why are humans so weak and slow compared to other animals? Did "evolution" just know we'd figure out fire and tools?
>>69356933
>Chieftain day one.
i lol'd
>>69360881
For the same reason why we eat fruit. They hold nutrients that help trees survive.
>>69360881
I honestly think you still don't know how natural selection works. The function of fruit is a consequence. It does not exist because of a purpose. For the record, if you don't actually know what fruit does for plants you're beyond arguing with.
>>69360915
We're fucking giants with more stamina than literally any other creature on Earth. And we're fucking smart. Well, some of us.
>>69355525
I prefer Don Cheadle anyway.
>>69360915
oh and how do we not have more body hair? evolution also guessed we would wear clothing? and let our head hair and finger nails keep growing unlike other animals?
>>69360982
>It does not exist because of a purpose
Stop being so pretentious but it keeps surviving because it serves a purpose.
>For the record, if you don't actually know what fruit does for plants you're beyond arguing with.
No I don't but that point didn't come up so far
>>69360915
Again not me just in case someone is gonna throw another tantrum
>>69360881
Fruit contains seeds. Animals eat fruit. Animals shit out seeds. New plant grows. There are other ways in which plants reproduce using fruit and some fruits have other functions. I'm not going to list all of them
>>69360969
Elaborate. How does the tree get nutritients from fruit? And why store them in the fruit in the first place? Are fruit just storage? Then why do fruits fall off? And what about trees without fruit?
Why are 4chan evolution threads always so entertaining? Y'all some retarded mother fuckers
>>69360915
We were once apes. Strong and stupid.
Some were a little smarter and started using tools for hunting and other reasons.
Soon, the smart ones started mating with the other smart ones and we became even smarter.
The strong stupid ones stayed apes.
Evolution works by incremental changes building towards big enough changes to the point where there's a huge difference between what we are and what we were.
I don't understand how this is so complicated.
https://youtu.be/hOfRN0KihOU?t=8m3s
>>69358474
>Squirrels just don't casually jump off cliffs and those without gliders die.
That is exactly what happens.
>>69361059
So the fruit has no value on it's own other than getting eaten by animals?
See: >>69360969 please
>>69355804
Don't bother with this turd, guys. Anyone who thinks a 'missing link' would 'prove the whole thing' is either really confused or trolling.
>>69361086
If you give a shit, look it up. You'll find a much more comprehensive and detailed answer to all of your questions from other sources on the web.
>>69361115
What do evolutionists think about racism?
>>69361086
Yes, fruit are kind of storages and they fall off when the fruit becomes too old. Basically for the same reason why we don't eat rotten fruit.
They just create new fruit instead.
>>69361137
The fruit is the reproductive function in certain cases. It depends entirely on whatever plant we're talking about. They're not all the same. You are unbelievably dense.
See>>69361157
the stupidity in this thread is staggering
>what is fruit
im out, good luck
>>69361184
Tribalism. People with similar traits are more trusted because they are more likely part of your family/tribe/cultural group. Those who stuck with their group died less frequently and thus had more kids. In this way tribalism became a advantageous predisposition to have.
>>69361184
Racism at its core if the fear of what is different, which is key to most organisms.That is easily explained by the leftover reptilian part of our brain that only cares about fight, flight, feeding, and reproduction.
melanon?
>>69352817
>>69352817
t. Rex
>>69361184
Racism is basically a social competitive attribute.
It's function only serves a real purpose when the race is facing a real threat though.
The racism we see today by supremacists, the feminists and the black live matters crowd is all construed by perceived threats rather than actual threats.
Actual racism doesn't really exist in the west except for a small minority of people who are clinically paranoid.
If we look how people actually behave in terms of reproduction, race doesn't really matter. It's more a matter of certain genetic traits like good facial features, body proportions and intelligence.
>>69359909
>>69358474
How do mutations/evolutions happen?
If giraffes once had short necks and they kept getting eaten, how did they end up with tall ones?
Was there just an accidental defected baby giraffe that grew with a longer neck and thus survived and breeded?
>>69360881
Consider that these questions were shared by evolutionists at some point.
They didn't change sides, they simply had a new avenue for research.
I can see you're a human being with critical mind, doing what humans do best. But you are talking to random schmoes on the internet who are liable to lose interest and leave you without answers.
I really have to suggest quenching that thirst with a good book on the subject. Take on an experienced biologist, tear it apart.
In a book like pic related, you will get to know possibly every available argument you could encounter here on the subject. You can take it apart piece by piece and leave with a much stronger position.
Keep in mind, this is just like learning math. You accept the rules/assumptions of addition. From there you can understand multiplication.
When you get confused with algebra, you go back to the fundamentals and make yourself POSITIVE that you have not skipped a single step. You don't drop algebra altogether and look for another system.
>>69361461
No, it's the same reason why some people are taller than the other.
If only tall people would fuck, you'd end up with only tall people.
In case of giraffes. The used to be like antilopes. Some "antilopes" had bigger necks which allowed them to eat from trees while other "antilopes" couldn't. Soon enough the ones with longer necks only fucked each other instead of fucking the ones with small necks.
The necks became longer and longer until the height was so ridiculous they were basically another species.
>>69361577
>In case of giraffes. The used to be like antilopes. Some "antilopes" had bigger necks which allowed them to eat from trees while other "antilopes" couldn't. Soon enough the ones with longer necks only fucked each other instead of fucking the ones with small necks.
>The necks became longer and longer until the height was so ridiculous they were basically another species.
Thats comical.
Would be funny to see a comic strip expanding on this, to the point the giraffes neck reaches the moon or something
>>69361041
>it keeps surviving because it serves a purpose.
you're right to assume it has a purpose.
not necessarily. we humans have appendixes (appendices?) and we survive just fine without them - they actually explode sometimes and kill us
it's useless at best, and destructive at worst.
the thing is, we still have them because of the simple fact that they don't kill ALL of us, (before we get a chance to have babies anyway)
but here's the kicker - you can assume the appendix has a purpose because it exists at all - and you'd be right! it USED to have a purpose. digesting bones or some shit.
but EVEN THEN, you're making a risky assumption, because we very well could have developed something useless. something which takes calories to grow and maintain - but as long as it doesn't put us to death before we can reproduce, it still has a chance to stick around.
thing is, as soon as someone is born without one of these useless organs, and has a lot of babies - that trait spreads like wildfire. soon none of the members of the species have one.
>>69361698
Well, there is a limit the body of a giraffe can bear. So yea. No.
>>69361698
Honestly this post is the cherry on top of a thread of complete fucking dullery. Bravo
>>69361769
>you're right to assume it has a purpose.
ignore this sentence - i wrote it in the wrong place
>>69355612
Feminism is.
>>69361698
So it's not comical to you that giraffes exist at all, but that there are creatures that have a length of neck between antelopes and giraffes.
>>69361461
Giraffes and their primary source of food (Acacia) had a classic example of an evolutionary arms race Acacia trees had a mutation which lead to spines on the lower half of the tree and their branches on the higher part of the tree.
This was beneficial to the development of the Acacia so it overwhelmed the normal variation of the Acacia in the following generations.
As more of the Acacia were of the spiny variant most animals were not able to properly reach the vegetation to eat. At some point the giraffes had a mutation that slightly elongated their necks, and as the spiny Acacia became the norm the non elongated giraffes would of died out.
The Acacia and giraffes kept mutating their phenotypes to benefit of their species until they got to how they look today.
This evolutionary arms race could still be happening, it just takes dozens of generations to notice a impact on any population, mammals and trees have long generations so this is hard to observe. In bacteria and antibiotics, they have very short lifespans and reproduce quickly so variants become evident extremely quickly.
>>69361783
>>69361805
>>69361853
s-ssorry senpaitachi
>>69361769
Thanks
>>69361469
>Take on an experienced biologist, tear it apart
huh?
btw giraffe guy is again not me
>>69355612
>mfw i'm privileged to be an atheist
>>69361934
Don't be. Your post made me kek heartily
>>69361937
Dude, seriously, Google can answer all of these questions. Why are you asking a bunch of idiots on 4chan?
>>69352967
Evolution is a fact
Scientific facts are explained by scientific theories
Evolution the fact is explained by Darwin's theory of evolution, by natural selection and mutation.
Gravity is also a fact, and is explained by Einsteins theory of relativity.
Go back to school.
>>69361937
He's asking you to learn all you can about evolution, and see if you can still challenge the theory having learned it all.
>>69362053
Don't worry, he doesn't understand that what he considers "theories", scientists actually call "hypotheses".
>>69362053
Gravity is a meme anon, haven't you seen Space Jam?
Michael Jordan could not have done that if the theory of gravity was true
>>69361937
>huh?
I don't know who giraffe guy is - but i assume you're here questioning evolution, favoring creationism.
in that post i'm offering you a book written by a biologist in support of evolution - you can question the shit out of him and get a lot more out of it than by questioning random schmoes who have a much less complete idea of their worldview.
