Name a single flaw
You literally can't
>>69291977
DELET THIS
>>69291977
Zemo.
you know every positive review for BvS is it's good, but there's flaws.
>>69292004
Zemo is the best MCU Villain
>>69291977
There was no Ant Man.
>>69291977
it's capeshit
>>69291977
>Name a single flaw
No catfight between the Widow and T'Challa's bald female bodyguard.
>>69291977
Dat opening shot when the camera followed him driving past car, punching driver as car crashed.
10/10 shot
>>69292035
I'll throw my hat into that ring and die on this hill.
Zemo was fucking Ozymandias-tier.
>>69292035
>best MCU Villain
Loki & Magneto.
>>69292099
>MCU
>Magneto
not enough quips
>>69291977
The lame quips in the middle of the main fight.
>>69291977
When they were fighting in the airport and camera pans around Hawkeye who is randonly shooting arrows with the most serious face.
Kek looked so funny.
I still loved movie tho
>>69292099
Loki a fag. An entertaining one, but a fag nonetheless.
Magneto is cool, but not part of the MCU.
>>69291977
Actually I can. The prison break at the end should have been done on screen with bantz and action.
>>69292091
You have my bow.
Pacing was odd. Not as bad as BvS, but still felt really rushed in some places. I mean, it just send weird for Scott to wake up in a van and meet everyone else and literally five minutes later be shoved into a fight.
Zemo's plan relied too much on coincidence.
Movie ended on too nice a note for me, it doesn't really feel like the Avengers actually split
>>69292145
>he think it was a fight with quips thrown in, instead of it being a battle of quips with fighting thrown in
>>69292167
>it doesn't really feel like the Avengers actually split
I'm sure most of them still hate Tony even if Steve doesn't. Also the ones with Steve are international fugitives.
>>69292099
Loki's entire plan: I'm scared of Thanos, so I'll do what he says, then throw the fight at the end so that it looks real enough, and then I can be protected in jail, in Asgard.
Great villain. Top-best most-villainous.
>>69292224
Hey, if I was Loki I'd totally do the same. Only I'd actually tell everyone about Thanos.
>>69292167
This.
It felt like the movie needed to be 20 minutes longer.
>that shot tho when Caps starts slowy running to the airport with the others sent shivers down my spine
>>69292167
>Zemo's plan relied too much on coincidence
But he set everything up, what part was up to coincidence?
>>69292324
Tony figuring out he was behind the whole thing and being in the same room as Cap and Bucky so he could play the video.
>>69292167
We all just wanted more Paul Rudd.
>>69292397
>Tony figuring out
But he left that corpse in his hotel room and even called the lady up there just so it would be found. Of course Tony would find out.
>and being in the same room as Cap and Bucky
It's not like Cap and Bucky had to be there for the video to work on Tony. Tony had to be there. Cap and Tony were obviously going to go there for the other Winter Soldiers anyway.
The only flaw in his plan was not taking into account T'Challa.
>>69292151
MCU-tier analysis if I ever saw it.
Zemo is literally "how the fuck can we keep this contrived plot going?" the person. Uninspired, lazy, and treasonous to its source material.
0/10
>>69292457
Antman & Waspfu coming in 2018?
>>69292471
I like how people completely misunderstand that part. The "everyone had to be there" part. Only Tony did, and couldn't this guy reasonably assume that MOST of them WOULD be there? Even if, in the end, only those three got there, it would be unreasonable to think Captain America wouldn't go there and even more unreasonable to think Tony's ego would let him NOT be there.
Those two guys were going to be there in any case. Other people being there was the coincidence.
>>69292397
Zemo made it so the hotel maid found the corpse in his room, and the news quickly reached Tony. It wasn't a coincidence at all, Tony figured it out as part of Zemo's plan.
Zemo breaking out of prison and creating the Thunderbolts when?
>>69292591
Phase 4, or maybe the post-credits scene of Infinity War part 2.
>>69292035
I don't think so anon
shit characters
>>69294851
name one
>>69291977
it's capeshit
it's childish capeshit
>>69291977
ALLAHU AKBAR
>>69292489
Joker was the most contrived plot device character that relied on a million things going right and even predicts a character faking his death and no one noticing thousands of barrels of gas wheeled into hospitals or hulls of ships (what is ballast). Zemo was mild at best compared to how ridiculous jokers plans were.
![1462574986811[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0SfEysl.jpg "1462574986811[1].jpg")
Simply put, you have a low cinematic IQ, or some sort of Stockholm Syndrome, from overexposure to bland, safe, PC and soulless mass-produced blockbusters, which has conditioned you into accepting the absolute lowest common denominator standards in filmmaking, writing and cinematography as somehow acceptable, when you should in fact feel nothing but contempt or disgust for any Kevin Feige-conceived product.
Even strictly in the field of capeshit entertainment, where the bar has always been pretty low, since they're primarly a children media, the level of genuine quality and creative abilities (which comes from studios giving freedom to an auteur with a strong personality and vision towards the material) has kept dropping since the 90's.
When Raimi's Darkman/Spider-Man, Del Toro's Blade 2/Hellboy, Burton's Batman 2 or Bird's The Incredibles offered innovative and playful set pieces, meaningful and relevant themes, each with a very distinct, appropriate tone and truly cinematic aesthetics (simply compare the lighting or editing to today's equivalents), none of these qualities are to be found in Civil War or any of the previous MCU entries. This is why Edgar Wright got fired from Ant-Man. This is why Feige keeps hiring visionless point-and-shoot directors who come from TV or comedy, colorblind cinematographers and art/set design teams who seem to be in love with grey, sterile hangars for some unexplainable reason. Action scenes are now being conceived by CGI teams months before the movie begins shooting and all follow the exact same formula.
Even as a child, I couldn't imagine being dazzled or amused by those turds, as they're utterly devoid of any charm, colors, magic or imagination.
>>69295334
Sucks to be you then.
>>69294984
WASTED POTENTIAL
BRING THIS NIGGA BACK
>>69295334
Nice pasta
>>69294984
>>69295491
Why they gotta do my nigga Grillo dirty like that ;_;
>>69292471
>>69292397
I do see that his plan is pretty shaky at the very end. It only turns out that way because only tony, cap, and bucky show up there. If there were others, they would have restrained tony from trying to kill Bucky much quicker.
Perhaps, he had a back up plan though. I think he might have used the other winter soldiers if there were more Avenger members presented to weaken them and reduce the Avenger force further so that the Bucky and Tony confrontation could have occurred. I guess it wouldn't be too outstretched to assume that Zemo has an ongoing plan with multiple paths and make stuff along the way to keep whittling the Avengers through internal conflicts.
>>69292167
I think the sudden appearance of Scott takes in assumption that people already watch ant man and know that he was already on the Avenger's radar due to his confrontation with Falcon and Falcon knows where to find him. They spent all their time introducing spiderman instead. I think they should have split the recruiting spiderman section up though and give it to other member recruiting anyway because that was a bit unneccessarily lengthy part
I'm done with this Mickey Mouse-tier soap opera drama. It doesn't help either that all the fight scenes are edited by a teenager with Tourette's and Parkinson's, it's as if they want to distract the audience from how shoddy everything looks by waving a flashlight on their face. I couldn't give a damn about any of these sterile excuses for characters. During the airport scene all the artificially-inflated conflict devolved into a child playing with one toy in each hand and bashing them together.
It's riddled with sophomoric and shallow pseudo-political ponderings that are thrown out the window when the quiptastic action starts. They completely disregard for the umpteenth time the collateral damage while they're having fun showcasing their flashy abilities.
The third act pretends to get serious when in reality it turns into a cheap heartstring manipulation revolving around "why didn't you tell me Cap waaa".
This part completely disregards the fact that Stark knows all too well that brainwashing and mental manipulation is a thing, let's not forget that he has witnessed it firsthand with Banner. There's no excuse for him to have such a sudden change of heart other than to extend the conflict for another 15 minutes of mindless violence, and leave the manchildren with the impression that they've just witnessed an intricate revenge tragedy.
All smoke and mirrors, the constant quipping is an effective tool to cloud a fanboy's mind and judgement.
Finally, what's left is an entire team of "world-class" heroes that got fooled by a man wearing a Bucky mask. Not to mention that the villain's stale trope was better executed 19 years ago when Scream 2 came out, ironically, a film satirizing this cliché.
If you don't think this is cartoonish and laughable you might be too young to post on this site.
Never again.
>>69292167
>Zemo's plan relied too much on coincidence.
was getting caught part of his plan?
It's mock-Kino
Not enough Ant-Man
is this movie better than TWS? I'm asking people who actually liked TWS
>>69295618
fucking this
>>69295937
its quite similar i'd say
more characters and action i guess its upto personal preference if that makes it better or worsebetter villain for sure though
>>69295937
I'd say yes but then again I haven't seen Winter Soldier since it came out.
>>69295937
Yes
>>69295982
But it has exactly the same villain;)
>>69295937
Not for me but it's good
>>69291977
no xmen
>>69295618
get fucking cucked, dc fagboy
>>69296978
Childish, incomprehensible, foolish, pathetic, and more!
All you need to do is keep posting
>>69295937
>>69296155
Personally, I feel that it falls just a bit short choreography-wise in comparison but it's still a great watch.
Part of what made TWS so great was that it had fights that were "grounded" in reality and it made you forget that you were watching a cape movie in the first place, whereas CW was in somewhat short supply of that in favor of epic capeshit fights but it's all good.
https://youtu.be/qXPOl6EjbWg
>>69292047
I was laughing about that too. Paul Rudd was acting more like his character on parks and rec, Bobby Newport.
>>69295618
>DCucks actually think this
lmaoing @ ur life
>manchildren paying to see a Disney movie
Sounds about right
>>69297313
*BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARP*
It kinda sucks we didn't get to see those other super soldiers in action. He could've woke them up and then showed the movie to Tony after they did away with the super soldiers. Other than that solid fucking movie.
>Captain.America.Civil.War.2016.1080p.HDTC.x264.AC3-PAHE
>Captain.America.Civil.War.2016.1080p.HDTC.x264.AC3-PAHE
>Captain.America.Civil.War.2016.1080p.HDTC.x264.AC3-PAHE
>Captain.America.Civil.War.2016.1080p.HDTC.x264.AC3-PAHE
>Captain.America.Civil.War.2016.1080p.HDTC.x264.AC3-PAHE
go go go
TONY HELP IM BEING ATTACKED BY TONY
>>69292063
>as entertaining as that would be.
ITS A GOD DAMN MOVIE, WE'RE HERE FOR ENTERTAINMENT!!! FUCK DON'T TEASE THIS!!! GRAGAHAAGAGG
>>69293387
>Netflix series
>part of the MCU
Not on my watch, Ike.
t. Feige
>>69291977
Aunt May didn't go nude
>>69297313
eww gross I would not be caught dead dating that land-whale of a "plus sized" model.
Way too fucking fat, did her parents never guilt trip her while she was young about the starving kids in Africa?
how dare she even label herself as a "model"
>>69297313
Absolutely disgusting. You've got a bunch of fat hanging off of you, so you wear tight clothes to hold it in place to make it look like you have a tight, curvy body. I'm not falling for that again. Kicked that bitch to the curb and never looked back. Skinny bitches from here on out.
>>69295575
It might've turned even bloodier than the airport fight if all of the Avengers were there.
Rhodes and Vision would most definitely side with Tony, while Bucky, Falcon and Wanda would side with Cap, with the rest probably trying to break up the fight.
>>69297526
Just wait for Spider-Man: Homecoming where Tony comes inside May in her home in their 30 minute porn scene.
It's in Robert Downey Jr.s contract, I know, I've seen it.
>>69297800
>not Peter and aunt may
Fucking dropped
>>69291977
Shitty story. The fights sucked ass. No one ever dies.
>>69297891
>Shitty Story
Story was great
>The fights sucked ass
"no"
>No one ever dies
How is this a bad thing?
>>69297526
Why does Tomei look so genuinely happy to be alive whenever she smiles? It's like, she can't fake a smile at all.
>>69297891
>No one ever dies.
Peggy Carter died.
That black kid died in Sokovia.
T'chaka died. And I'm fairly certain a lot of other people died in the bombing too.
The Winter Soldiers died.
Zemo's family died.
Crossbones died, as did 11 Wakandas and other people in the building.
The psychologist died.
>>69297957
>How is this a bad thing
No stakes.
>>69292167
>Movie ended on too nice a note for me
>Cap beating Tony half to death and basically saying he doesn't give a fuck that Bucky filled his parents is too nice
>>69297891
What is it with you and your fascination with death you sick man?
>>69297982
She knows how hot she is
>>69297992
>possibility of death is the only thing that creates tension
Hello, GoT-baby.
scarlet witch and black widow didn't lez out
>>69298034
Peter, are you keeping secrets from me?
>>69298037
It is in the action genre, dummy.
Also, GoT is a cancer on this board rivaled only by capeshit.
>>69297984
Oh, whoo. The stakes are high when the shit nobody cares about characters die. Big whoop.>>69297957
>How is this a bad thing?
I seriously hope you're joking.>>69298025
>What is it with you and your fascination with death you sick man?
At least it would be entertaining to watch. I just assume they have some monkey on speed at this point as far as the story is concerned. But my main crit is the fact that the action scenes suck ass. Why? You have superheroes duking it out. It should be hilarious to watch. Instead I have to watch red hair slowly running towards 8 armed men that get knocked out because she hits them once in the face.
Zemo was good once you know his motivations, but until then he's boring as fuck. I find it funny that a villain having actual character depth could be considered a twist in the mcu.
Also while I liked both Peter and Scott, having two comic relief characters during that fight seemed weird. Undoubtedly a remnant of the script before they knew Peter would be in it.
>>69298200
>Oh, whoo. The stakes are high when the shit nobody cares about characters die. Big whoop
You didn't mention stakes in your post, you just stated no one died.
I proved you wrong.
But keep moving those goalposts.
>>69298200
>It should be hilarious to watch
What the fuck
>>69298200
>death is entertaining to watch
You're creepy as fuck.
>>69298324
>defending any capeshit
>calling people creepy on 4chan
10/10 bait
>>69298388
Anon. You're sick. You need help.
>>69291977
Spider-man and Ant-man had no reason to be in this movie.
Tony Stark needs to stop being emo.
Tom Holland was great though and I actually enjoyed Ant-man in this movie more than I did in Ant-man
>>69298118
>Don't pull out, Peter
>>69298535
>The secret of staying youthful is having a hot stud around to coat you in white every night
>Oh hi Peter, I was just talking about you!
>>69298557
Anon are you okay?
>>69298594
>>69297313
sauce on pawgpls
>>69297646
> rhodes and vision side with tony
lol no. They only side with tony for the principle on the treaty. They wouldn't help him kill Bucky for vengeance. They are more likely to try to stop Tony instead
>>69298610
Do u need a hug anon?
>>69298594
No he's not.
>>69298501
>Spider-man and Ant-man had no reason to be in this movie.
Neither did anyone but Cap, Iron Man, and their side characters. It made the stakes feel higher though since the Accords were affecting the entrie MCU instead of just those two.
>>69298501
Tom Holland easily is the best spider-man we ever got.
I mean it was just one scene as peter and one as spidey but it was great.
That said you are 100% right he was incredibly shoe-horned in. Because he had to be there because they called it civil war.
>>69295937
I think TWS had a better plot, scenes with cap and bucky were far more emotional, the soundtrack was much better
the rest is more or less the same quality, but the group fight in CW was really funny and amusing to me (I actually liked they didn't try to kill each other), while the fights in TWS were thrilling and emotional
>>69298747
*hugs*
>>69292035
He's not. He's boring, like you.
>>69291977
>Top secret high detention area for metahumans infiltrated by guy that has stolen credentials
>Said guy decrypts public Hydra files to find hiding Hydra officer that all the top minds of the US government and the world could not
>Vision destroying a tower to stop Cap from reaching airplane rather than just destroying airplane
>Vision conveniently missing and doing jackshit for 90% of the airport fight while everyone else fights, only to cannonball Antman, shoot down a tower, and friendly fire Cheadle
>Cap overpowering Spiderman
>Angry Stark sounding not very angry at all during final fight, only mildly butthurt at best
>>69298992
Vision acting like an idiot was at least justified with him being thinking about muh Wanda.
>>69298992
>>Top secret high detention area for metahumans infiltrated by guy that has stolen credentials
It wasn't.
>rather than just destroying airplane
It was theirs, how were they supposed to get back home without it?:^)But really, it was theirs.
>Cap overpowering Spiderman
Didn't happen, Cap won because he's a better and more resourceful fighter
>>69299126
Cap did yank Spidey off his feet.
>>69299063
I can see him being distracted and such but dude is a fucking super computer, the greatest AI on the planet. You can't tell be his computational powers told him that shooting down the air control tower when he has a clear shot of the fucking jet was a better idea at the time.
>>69299126
>Spidey webs both Cap's arms, they have a tug of war
>Cap wins and throws Spiderman off balance
Cap is a superhuman with the peak of all human feats but Spiderman is literally metahuman and is as strong as like 10+ men.
>>69299197
> You can't tell be his computational powers told him that shooting down the air control tower when he has a clear shot of the fucking jet was a better idea at the time.
Yes I can. Because he was thinking about muh Wanda.
>>69299163
>>69299197
That's more to do with Spidey being inexperienced with fighting, and physics, not actual strength.
>>69299249
He has superpowers that let him stick to surfaces and the arm strength that can toss cars around, you can't tell me inexperience made it so he can't stand his ground. I can see him being hit by Cap's attacks because he is not yet a real fighter even with his Spidey senses but that was an actual contest of strength. Spidey pulling on one end and cap pulling on another but the difference is that Spidey has his feet clinging to the ground and the strength of multiple silverback gorillas.
>>69299318
>>69299249
And for reference, he effortlessly caught and stopped Winter Soldier's metal arm while joking about it and in every fight scene Cap has with WS without his shield, he has been overpowered by the arm. Case in point, the scene where he breaks out of prison and Cap is literally pushed through an elevator door while trying to stop the arm.
>>69295937
I really enjoyed CW but TWS is still my favorite. Everyone is gushing about the airport scene but the boat scene at the beginning of TWS was perfection.
Zemo moves to the top as best villain. He not evil because they tell you he's evil like Red Skull or Strucker. He has motivation and in some ways you sympathize with him.
It was terrible.
The first half was boring and unnecessary besides a few scenes of "wow heros r bad mkay" (ahem The Incredibles ahem). The introduction of the Panther was forced as shit. The bad guy played by Bruehl had like 5 minutes of screentime. There wasn't even any Civil Warring until the last third of the movie and everyone had plot armor until a few characters didn't for drama. The whole conflict was wrapped up by the end, with Cap and Stark practically best bros again at the end.
It was a shitty, contrived, boring movie. I'm glad I had an inconvenience pass because I would've been mad if I had payed for the it.
>>69300203
>(ahem The Incredibles ahem)
I assume this is fucking bait.
Incredibles was just watchmen for children.
And your whole post reeks of underage.
Unless it is just copy pasted from facebook or imdb or something.
>>69291977
This post was brought to you buy paid Disney shills.
>>69300274
>Implying I'm getting paid
>>69295618
Tony's reaction to seeing the video makes perfect sense. You can go all the way back to Ironman when he gets back from the cave and the first thing he says to reporters, I didn't get to say goodbye to my dad. You see it again when he's watching film of his dad in IM2. His character clearly has parental issues that we are reminded again in the beginning of the film.
Even if Tony knew Bucky was a meat puppet, it was a trigger that Zemo knew would set him off and destroy the team.
>>69300273
>$.02 have been deposited to your Marvel account, thank you for posting
>>69300401
>pointing out some shitposter is an underage retard
>that means I am a shill
I pirated the movie and I recommend everyone else do the same.
Doesn't make this faggot any less of a underage /v/irgin.
>>69300448
>shitposter
>If I disagree it's shitposting!
Sod off
>>69300524
I sort of agree though.
It was derivative and contrived.
Problem here is that the anon is still an underaged /v/irgin and I am way more annoyed the faggot is here than I am annoyed by the quality of a comic book movie.
>>69291977
This final fight : no flaws
The rest: well...
>>69291977
Tony's reasoning was completely retarded. He was the cause of all the problems highlighted in the video Thunderbolt showed the Avengers. Yet he's putting the blame on all of them.
Also, the New York incident one being shown is even more retarded. Hurrr Durr you guys stopped an invasion when we wanted to nuke the entire city you're the bad ones hurrr
>>69300738
>accountability is retarded
>powerful people should be above the law
Fuck this.
Do you also think this shit every time a cop gets into trouble.
Fucking libertarians. Look at somalia and tell me that shit is so much preferable to our horrible opressive western society.
>>69291977
>You killed my mommy
>cutting away from the destruction too soon undercutting its effect
>couple of bad quips e.g. empire strikes back reference.
>Ant-man present for the battle for no real reason, i guess it just wants to be cool or be "heroic" for some reason?
>CGI in some parts.
>Ending on an almost comically light high point by reverting all the consequences
It was very "entertaining" and "fun", as usual. It wasn't as dark or serious as it could have been (ala Ultron). The movie is still well worth seeing imo for its well done action, and some creative use of the heroes. Just have the same expectations, don't compare to Winter Soldier.
>>69295618
Yummy pasta. But since some retards actaully believe this:
>Soap opera.
Eh. Its not morose, it has a very concertedly light tone in many parts. The "quips" interrupt intermittently to assure this point. So no I wouldn't say its "soap operatic" but you could perhaps complain about its tone.
>editing:
I hate shaky cam as much as most people do, I didn't hate this movie at all. Shaky cam is no unilaterally bad, and I thought CW maintained a cohesive flow of every character's placement and actions.
>How shoddy everything looks
The CGI is not great in too many parts, but this is still the usual fare. Its a legitimate point, but its only occasional and is somewhat mitigated by the consciously comic-booky tone and style.
>Artificially inflated conflict
How so? Neither side tries to kill the other, and both are mainly driven by a desire to follow or resist the previously established accords, or to get to Siberia. And anyways, "a child playing with a toy" is likely precisely the effect the wanted. The fact that its childish does not preclude quality. Maturity does not always equate to quality.
>psudo-political ponderings
Ooooo what an alliteration. Except that they're not "psudo" political ponderings. They're very real political ponderings. Bad ponderings? Sure. Say whatever you like. But they're political.
>>69300797
I didn't say accountability is retarded. I said it's retarded that Tony conveniently places the blame on all of them, when he's the fuck head that caused all the problems so far. They then use this as reasoning to force accountability on them all when really it's only Tony that just needs to stop doing anything.
So
>steve was at peggy´s carter funeral
>a bomb blows in wakanda same day
>falcon tells steve to watch the news about it
>slut and the nigger who doenst know how to fake an accent just got outside the building that exploded
>steve calls the slut
>somehow steve and falcon got there in mere minutes
What a piece of shit
>>69300949
So basically the law should not apply to captain?
His argument against accords was because they came from humans who are fallible and have agendas
Which in conclusion means he is infallible and isn't biased at all.
This fucking world war 2 vet who probably should have really weird opinions about black and gay people but they conveniently ignore that.
He is fucking infallible?
If a cop or soldier fucks up they have to be accountable.
If they are personally involved in a case they generally have to excuse themselves from a case.
How many people died because cap thought he was the only one fit to handle the bucky situation?
>>69295618
>There's no excuse for him to have such a sudden change of heart.
Tony never liked Bucky in the first place and has had virtually no experience with him whatsoever. Not to mention that he's still very much of a threat, even if he currently wasn't.
And learning that two parents you loved were murdered by someone you're in the presence of and who may well do it again is completely different from The Hulk. There is no personal connection there, he presumably (somehow) killed no one in that occasion, he is firmly repentant and guilty, and there is no real reason to believe it may happen again. Add to this, the fact that banner was apparently not so much mind controlled as triggered to that state.
And no. I doubt as many as 1/100 would say that this is a "intricate revenge tragedy". Everyone merely says that CW is fun and entertaining.
And quipping is an effective tool to cloud judgement? Except that Ultron was pretty universally a disappointment because of how quippy and light it was.
Bravo pastarino.
The joking during the group fight destroyed any tension that there would've been. Also, I'm so not ready to see dorky Spiderman.
>>69301170
Winter Soldier made cap wary of organizations, not necessarily people. He thinks that bureaucracy is fallible, not humanity.
The idea of someone from WW2 not being a racist and homophobe should really not be that complicated. Not everyone was. However common it was.
The UN is absolute shite IRL and Cap reasonably rejects its intervention. Every time they have acted they have saved more lives than was lost, and they still know their limitations and interests better than some ambiguous conglomerate.
>>69301327
>dorky Spiderman.
You mean comic book spider-man?
Because this spider-man is the most accurate it has ever been
>Jebus of /a/
Oh you better never ever complained about an anime not being accurate to its source material because you just said spider-man shouldn't have been.
>>69301426
And what makes him different than a villain then?
They also don't think they are wrong.
Literally only works if he knows he is infallible.
>>69301440
I admit I've never read the comics but I've heard so many versions of Spiderman be called the "comic" version it's stupid.
>>69291977
>name a flaw
superheroes
/thread
>>69301522
This is the most accurate version he has ever been.
Ripped straight from the comics.
Seriously GOAT spider-man without a question.
ITT Marveldrones making excuses
marvel & DC are both nuevo-culture bar-lowered shit-content-pushers. they're both idly entertaining the absolute scum of movie audiences with their frivolous movies. what about BADASS MAVERICKS like TIM BURTON? remember that intelligent individual? shit, man, he had a warehouse of specialfx goodies that they drew from, they'd build some awesome stuff on his own accord cause he's a fucking genius. and then they'd get some A-list actors, roll the cameras and MAKE FILMS. THAT'S the VIBE, man. THAT'S where it was AT. not these two culture-demon coorporations making green screen movies from writers stuck in their phony dusty pseudo-retro dying-corners. look at the fucking goof spiderman in the trailer. barging into the trailer for views. that's not my hero. shouldn't be anyone's hero. what losers you people are
>>69292091
There are indeed similarities with Ozymandias, he even brought them in a remote base surrounded by snow just like Karnac in Watchmen.
Why did the winter soldier needed a motorcycle, he was perfectly fine outrunning every single car
>>69301638
Motorcycles are cool
Why vision needed a cookbook when he learnt everything about the world in the past movie
Why he didnt knew that it wasnt paprika
>>69295618
Pretty much this.
The fact that someone actually defends capeshit just shows that this website is infested with teenagers.
>>69301832
>replies unironically to copypasta older than he is
>complains about infestation
You are the infestation cancer.
>>69301138
Defend this
>>69291977
>Name a single flaw
Plot. The villain made Lex Luthor from BvS seem rational.
>>69301474
Because he acts in defense of innocent people?
A person does not need oversight in order to do good. That seems pretty obvious. Is it better if they do? Sure. But that also leaves them vulnerable to being corrupted by whichever overseer is assigned to them.
Organizations change, but (presumably) people do not. If he did change for the worse than oversight would be more necessary.
As stands, Cap has obvious virtues. He has a proven track record of acting heroically, and has actual character motivation to do so. Ever since the first avenger he has said that he's not out to fight "evil" on the side of "good" because these concepts are too polarizing and liable to manipulation/politics.
He just wants to look out for the little guy, and everyone has every reason to believe him.
>>Grainy security camera footage poorly focused on 10 feet of non-desrcipt back country road
>>Tony: "Hey, i know that road!"
>>Exact spot where Caddy swerves off road and crashes
>>69301138
You're a retarded
>>69302030
And do you believe that is possible?
That someone can be so virtuous that the laws should not apply to them?
Especially a world war 2 vet literally from a different time.
How many people has he killed because he didn't just present the proof that bucky was brainwashed?
>>69302055
>"Hey, i know that road!"
>Why does this guy know a road were he grew up?
>fucking plotholes let me make a youtube video right now
>>69294984
>takes off gas mask
>has another mask under it
i did like him tho, shame he got done so soon
They're all the same film
The last one I saw was Avengers: Age of Reddit, it was so bad it made me vow to never watch another superhero movie. Every unfunny meme and generic reddit capeshit stereotype just blasting out of the screen for 2 hours. Horrible, horrible, horrible. I wanted to walk out of the cinema but didn't want to feel like I'd wasted my $20. Just seeing the webm of that retarded flying truck or Robert Manlet Jr's EPIC QUIPS that just get forced down your throat makes me angry. So angry. I'm grinding my teeth just envisioning them all making stupid "epic" reddit faces and destroying the city in some cut and paste GCI memefest, before going back to a retarded reddit-tier one-liner exchange and setup for whatever the next shitshow in the franchise will be, probably something that took a month to make and will gross 4 billion dollar from retarded American meme-eaters
>>69302055
Do you honestly believe Hydra wouldn't keep tabs on their most valued possession at all times?
Zero stakes, made for children, soulless cash machine disguised as a "story"
>>69302365
>They're all the same film
Stopped reading right there, Fuck off retard
Instead of it being a 6v6 in the beginning, it should have started as a 1 on 1 with characters coming in 1 by 1 until it was all out mayhem.
Shouldn't Hulk be basically invincible?
Also is it me or is Captain a Gary Stu?(with plot armour)
>>69302057
you have no argument to defend that bullshit
even if the places are wrong, London and Austria
they got there fast
>>69302612
He's the darling of the writer.
>>69302114
We're not talking about reality ffs. Within the MCU universe there are plenty of moments that are used specifically to draw attention to the absurdity of superheroes.
The "can you move your seat forward" and lines like it aren't just meant as one off quips, but to elevate the ridiculousness of "superheroes" in ordinary circumstances. The genre itself is a joke.
So can a person be so virtuous that laws should not apply to them? Probably not for us. But can a superhero feel that way? Sure.
And no you can just boil down Cap to "a world war 2 vet". He's a specific character, not a product of his time. It'd be statistically likely for him to be racist, but considering that he's been a relatively low class person, been humiliated for his stature, and lived and fought through a war conducted based on racism, there's reason enough to believe he'd be heroic.
He is not responsible for the actions of another person imo. A person who threatens to kill one hundred people if you don't kill a person you care about is the one responsible for those deaths.
Plus he never had any proof, only Bucky's word technically. It was only afterwards that there was anything substantive.
>>69302114
>That someone can be so virtuous that the laws should not apply to them?
"when the president does it, it's not a crime"
-Richard Nixon
There are enough people who believe they were above the law.
Why wouldn't a literal super hero think that way?
So what was /tv/'s response to to half in the bag slating it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJvUTFVqwJQ
>>69303037
Thought it was pretty fair overall. Thing was that Mike's "C+" may be quite negative, but I think its more attributable to just fatigue with the genre. That perfectly reasonable.
As a film its not great. As an outlet for good action and some funny moments its effective. Hopefully this response becomes more common.
I'd be interested to see Dr. Strange just for some crazy visuals, but it'll probably be a cookie-cutter movie as well. Past that I'd be happy to see the genre buried.
It was kind of all over the place. Tonal shifts, going from lighthearted mirth during the airport fight to superserious drama in the next fight. The conflict was a little too forced and it seemed none of the characters really cared that much. When one side of the fight gets captured and put into prison, it doesn't really feel like a serious consequence and you know they'll immediately get out again. In the third act, Iron Man realizes that Cap was right the whole time, and flies off to rescue/help him. But then they introduce the twist, for no other purpose then to have him fight Cap, even though the real main conflict of the movie had just been resolved.
Don't get me wrong. It was a great movie. I'm kinda picking nits here. But they were still flaws.
The fight at the airport went on for like 15 minutes, and yet Vision was nowhere to be seen except during the beginning run up and the end when he screwed up and crippled War Machine.
Vision is one of the most OP characters in the MCU and they acted like he wasn't even there for the entire fight because if he had been involved there's no way that Cap's weak team would've been able to take them on. Though I don't think there's any logic behind Cap's team winning in the first place. Tony's team is just a lot stronger except for maybe Scarlet Witch.
>>69303213
Cap is a Mary Sue
>>69303037
When Rich says that Tony's side are the only reasonably correct one, I stopped watching it.
>>69303037
I agreed with them. The only real consequence of the movie is that Rhodey is crippled and his robo legs basically make even that unimportant. Other than that a bunch of random red shirt normies die and Tony and Cap are still friends but in two different bases.
Can Hulk compete with Wanda and Vision or would they be able to disable him with ease? I feel like they'll need to write those two out like they did Banner because they're so goddamned powerful. Vision more or less has to die in Infinity Wars, but Wanda is a monster.
Who cares.
We all know that Cap will grab Thor's hammer and smack Thanos in one of the sequels.
In the scene where the Russo drowned that guy in the sink, the water level was at his eyes when it started overflowing over the sides so how did rise high enough to drown him?
>>69303213
But that's exactly why they even have Vision and Witch around; they neutralize each other. Once you take those two out of the equation I feel like the teams are more even, with Cap's having a slight edge because other than Spidey, Tony's team was weak as shit.
Iron Man and War Machine are good but not great, Panther is unkillable but not OP, but Widow is a useless slut.
>>69291977
why was howard stark driving a shitty old car? why didn't he have a chauffer or a bodyguard with him?
>>69303457
You must be blind m8, it was at his mouth right before zemo looked away and it started overflowing.
The Marvel Cinematic Universe fanbase is full of generic cunts who try to seem quirky and unique by identifying heavily with a slightly offbeat fandom "But wait, that's actually incredibly mainstream and not offbeat at all!" you say. And you're right. But actual offbeat things don't give as much 'nerd' cred, and these things have more creative value than reality TV so people on Tumblr can make posts such as "Why are all girls nowadays such idiots who watch Twilight? I'm very unique because I like nerdy intelligent stuff like Iron Man 3, and I like quirky men like Tom Hiddleston and Mark Ruffalo teehee, look at this repeating gif of 0.5 seconds of Loki doing a thing with his face and a theory about how all the Marvel movies are connected and Thanos is going to collect all the Infinity Gems except in the movies none of them are really "gems" at all and here is some fanart of all the Avengers gender swapped and with less sexist costumes and they all have the exact same fucking face with that bulbous red nose also did you know that I am a girl who likes superheroes I know it's hard to believe but it is true I AM AN AVENGERS look at this gif of Tony Stark raising his eyebrow, anyway The Avengers is sexist because Black Widow's costume is too tight and unrealistic for a special agent so here is a redesign of her in figure hiding combat fatigues because I am progressive. Does anyone else think that Hulk and Iron Man would make a good couple? TEE HEE I LOVE GAYS BECAUSE I AM SO TOTALLY NOT HOMOPHOBIC EVEN THOUGH I TREAT GAYS AS AN AMUSING NOVELTY Rocket Raccoon for president!"
>>69303486
The difference is that Witch played an active role throughout the entire fight doing interference and constantly harassing 1v1s by butting in while Vision literally did NOTHING and had no scene until he cannonballs Antman towards the end of the fight,
i liked spider-man and Captain america interacting with each other
>where you from kid?
>queens
>*smiles* Brooklyn
>mfw
>>69303880
It's implied that Witch and Vision were squaring off against each other off camera for the majority of the fight.
>>69304000
You see her throwing BW off of Hawkeye, you see her doing aerial combat with WM, you see her interacting with other teammates but you NEVER see her in a scene with Vision in combat. The only time they were on the same screen together is when he is holding her after she collapses and talks to her.
>>69303486
Exactly this:
>>69303880
It drove me nuts the whole fight. Every cut I kept thinking "Surely Vision will come in now" and every time I was disappointed. It really irked me through the rest of the movie because none of it would have happened if Vision had participated.
Characters like Vision, Scarlet Witch etc. make me hate the non super superheroes even more. Having Hawkeye and Black Widow on the same field as the rest of them is a total joke. Every scene where they wind up going up against people with guns they have to make up a bunch of nonsense so that they don't just get riddled with bullets like they would in anything close to a real world.
>>69303967
How did Cap know dropping that on Spiderman wouldn't have killed him?
>>69304000
Sweet trips but there's no indication of that at all. It would be hard for Vision and SW to be fighting each other when she keeps messing with everyone else's fights.
>>69295818
Shit, you're right
all that wasted potential for more trash
>>69304219
Because Spidey was kicking his teams collective ass for the majority of the fight without breaking a sweat.
>>69303814
Watch it again broski its over flowing when it hits his eyes then hes drowing in it 2 seconds later when the camera angle changes
>>69304733
I watched it twice already dude. It's literally past his nose, almost over his mouth before it starts overflowing.
>>69295565
/fit/ as fuck
>>69297377
Already watched it on camrip.
Gonna see it in theatre for the full kino experience
>>69304846
Maybe in the final time it shows him but the prior scene its overflowing at his eyes then somehow rose another 2 inches while continuing to overflow watch it a 3rd time clearly u have poor attention to detail.
>>69295565He'll be back
>>69304000
>>69305022
>arguing about anything except the final scene in relation to his drowning
Are you actually retarded?
>>69292035
He was the only villain in the entire MCU besides Loki who is at least moderately sympathetic. I don't understand the hate for him.
>>69305069
Thats the whole fucking point nigger its like if they showed buckys arm get blasted off then the next scene he had it back on, would that be fine with u faggot? Its like talking to a wall
>>69292004
I actually liked Zemo. He wasn't the evil supervillain we thought he would be, he was just a broken man who felt powerless. It was surprisingly subversive and only plebs will think it is bad.
>>69304979
mah nigga.
that giANTS laughter on full audio.
capekino
>>69291977
Best scene in the movie.
>>69291977
overly convoluted villainy. his plan was as bad as the architect's speech
>>69295937
Nahhh. Civil war went on too long and wasn't as well written, with less depth of character. Airport scene took for fucking ever and no film needs 12 bloody superheros though
>>69291977
The biggest flaw for me was that black lady's reasoning for blaming only Tony Stark for the death of her son. She could have blamed the entire team, but for plot reasons singled out Tony. Not only that, but how did she even get back there to see him in a darkened hallway? Doesn't he have any security?
>>69291977
Not enough Marisa Tomei
Tony Stark lived
Overlong
Boring
Convenient CCTV camera placement in a country lane in 1991 USA
Black Panther looked great but was dull as a character
>>69291977
Nobody died
>Crossbones was wasted.
>Spider-Man only did three jokes that were actually funny.
>"Mr.Stark"
>Wasted Sharon Carter
>Trash CGI
>Vision nowhere to be seen during the fight.
>The "He killed my mom" line was cringe.
>Ant-Man acts like a blind sect follower.
>BIG ASS LETTERS
>The camera work was better in TWS
>>69307768
>Implying these are flaws
There's a lot of legitimate flaws, NOSTAKES being one of them, but a lot of this is just obvious DCuck damage control
>>69295818
>Unbreakable is included in this
Go fuck yourself
>>69291977
it had no balls
even when they were head to head there were no stakes
rhodes didn't die
bucky only loses his metal arm
It was more or less good.
Cap still pissess me off.
Okay, you don't want a governing body dictating what you can and cannot do to protect humanity - I get that.
But his entire excuse when there is collateral damage, due directly to his mistake (and not just shit going down, like the invasion of New York) always culminates in "I'm sorry, I feel bad. Like, I really feel bad about it guys, I promise that I and I alone that can feel bad about everything, It's super hard. Let's go get the bad guys!"
Meanwhile Tony is confronted with a single example of an innocent bystander casualty, and you can tell it absolutely wrecks his ego, and self worth.
So, either Rodgers is fit to wear the mantle of Hero and Stark isn't - solely because Rodgers operates on high morals with low empathy OR Rodgers is fundamentally flawed as a team leader by being 100% uncompromising when it comes to things might need compromising.
I get Rodgers is fundamentally a good dude - but his complete lack of compromise results in a level of arrogance that dwarfs any other character in Marvel.
>>69298624
If anything Tony would try to kill damn near everyone since almost all of them knew and never told in some form or other.
Can someone explain to me why that fucking falcon dude, who is a "normal" human with a pair of wings and some smart goggles, is able to overpower most other guys AND get out of all situations unharmed? Sure he used to be in the military before all this but don't tell me for one second that he's more powerful than ironman/other robot dude which in the movie he seems to be...
>>69291977
It's not BvS.
So where does the captain America trilogy, by itself without any other marvel movie, hold up in the grand scheme of super hero movies?
Unrelated, is anyone excited for the angry birds movie?
Pic unrelated
>>69307687
If black panthers motives were any more complicated I feel like it would've stepped on the toes of the main plot and it could have gotten too contrived
>>69308422
He's War Machine Jr.
Like, You think Hawkeye could best Tony in a fully armed, fight to the death 1v1 with prep? No.
Marvel has the problem of having a rich catalog of characters that were made when these writers and artists were pumping out ideas as fast as they could write. In a time of Birdman, Hawkgirl, Angel, of course there would be a Falcon. How do you translate that to the MCU? Give him a techy backback. Why would we even bother when we have War Machine? I don't know. Why do we have agent Colson?
>>69308201
I feel like you probably support Bernie Sanders
>>69308650
But why are the writers so madly in love with him now? He's just above widow and hawkeye in terms of powers and far below everyone else, he shouldn't be able to do shit, I mean he doesn't even have any armor
Is he going to get his own movies too? Is that what this is all about?
>>69302366
So they put a camera in a random road because they just KNEW he was going to crash them at that exact point? Shit, that's some awesome prediction powers Hydra had, I wonder how they ever got uncovered.
>>69309332
Tony said he knew that road, which sort of implied that it was the road to his mansion or whatever. It's not unusual for billionaires to have cameras in their really long driveway or private road.
There was no consequences for anything besides War Macheen getting crippled.
Iron Man will just show up with Cap's shield in the next movie like nothing ever happened.
You could skip this movie and miss almost nothing important. Tony or Cap should've died.
Also, there was very little tension between characters. Especially during the airport fight. Only Tony, Cap, and Panther acted like they had an investment in the outcome.
>>69301138
Me on the left!
>>69294899
>Cap
>Falcon
>Bucky
>Tony
>>69309429
Even if that which you just pulled out of thin air was true (it isn't), it changes nothing. The camera was still at the exact perfect spot of the crash in such a manner that all the faces of the people involved would be clearly visible. The chances of that happening are stupidly low.
Also, if that was the Starks personal camera (it isn't) then the more reasons why Hydra wouldn't have it, since they wouldn't even know that record exists.
It's capeshit.
>>69309802
>Cap
>Bucky
>Tony
>b8.JPEG
>>69308201
*Rogers
>>69291977
Shaky cam. There are probably some more flaws, but I absolutely despise shaky cam
>>69292035
this
>>69305038
0_0
>>69296058
I will murder you
>>69309876
>Hydra stalking the Starks
>knowing their destination
>could probably change their route to go that way
>set up camera for comformation of kill
>notice how bucky waits a couple seconds before he hits the car
>chances are low
yeah nah, fucking kill yourself you stupid piece of shit.
They fucking literally show other pictures of Bucky on other jobs in the previous movies the only thing stupidly low here is the IQ of the mad DCucks.
Everything was planned.
>>69312883
>this level of mental gymnastics and asspulling
>implying that just because this doesn't make any sense I must be a DCuck
>it still goes to shit if only Howards car was moving slightly faster than they expected and that coused the accident to happen 5 meters later
Keep trying, the more you make up things that, the easier it is for me to call on your bullshit
>>69291977
The movie tries to have two plots (Bucky and Accords) and fails to make a coherent story out of them
