Is there a better Shakespeare adaptation than Throne of Blood? If so, what is it?
No. It certainly is the GOAT Macbeth.
Richard III?
I dunno, what exactly we're talking about but,
Romeo + Juliet
>>69253223
I am shocked that someone on /TV/ has seen Throne of Blood. All this fake kino posting but you never see serious posts.
>>69253693
>tfw want to see those Kurosawa samurai flicks
>they're not on Amazon Prime
>>69253829
They're on Hulu, though. Or you could wait until one of Criterion's sales come around.
>>69253693
Yeah, once in awhile there is actual discussion on here, it just rarely happens, so you'd be lucky if you'd ever stumble upon such a thing on /tv/.
On topic:
>>>69253267
>>69253267
What's your pick, then? Ran? Or Olivier's Richard III? The Chimes at Midnight?
>>69253693
oh fuck off there's plenty of people that have seen throne of blood, which is entry level kurosawa
>>69254111
>entry level kurosawa
No such thing, and even if there were, it certainly wouldn't be one of his Shakespeare adaptations.
>>69253223
Ran is better. Just because it's in colour doesn't make it pleb-tier.
how is this?
>>69254184
all of his shakespeare adaptations are inherently entry level because they're fucking shakespeare
Prospero's Books
All the others mentioned in this thread are just filmed plays
>>69254277
No one said or even thought that. Never in history. You can make a substantial argument for either film being better than the other.
>>69254316
Pretty great but they cut down on Lady Macbeth a lot for some reason.
>>69254184
>>entry level kurosawa
>No such thing,
This is the state of /tv/
>>69253693
>I am shocked that someone on /TV/ has seen Throne of Blood.
Sorry, but it's quite common. There has been quality Kurasowa discussion even just the past couple days in /film/ generals, and this film's always lauded in Shakespeare threads. There are, amongst the dredges of society, real fans of the medium here, welcome.
>>69254317
>The greatest writer in history is entry level
>>69254316
It's fantastic. Granted, I haven't seen Polanski's MacBeth yet, but I'd say it's almost as good as Throne of Blood. Certainly one of the best that I've seen using most of the original text. They give the Weird Sisters a story, which is something I've never seen before.
>>69254316
Not as good as Kurosawa's. Not as good as Polanski's version either.
It's okay, but mostly just exists to showcase the actors abilities without doing anything interesting with the source.
>>69254390
was it because they wanted to focus on macbeth himself more?
Sorry but the best Macbeth was Jonathan Pryce.
>>69254427
>They give the Weird Sisters a story
that's awesome! that's the kind of thing i've been waiting for!
>>69254427
>>The greatest writer in history is entry level
People started reading Shakespeare in high school.
I don't know what else could be more entry-level.
>>69253829
>probably 11$ max on ebay
The Lion King
>>69253223
Kozintsev's Hamlet and King Lear
>>69254509
Just because you read something in high school doesn't mean you can gain a deep understanding and appreciation of it. You read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in high school too, does that make either of them entry level legal texts?
>>69254574
>does that make either of them entry level legal texts?
Yes. What do you think entry-level means?
>>69254427
>The greatest writer in history is entry level
... because we all studied him in high school
>>69254634
Easily understood by beginners.
>>69253223
Broken Arrow.
>>69254662
Reading is not the same thing as studying.
>>69254688
Isn't that why Shakespeare is taught in high school?
>>69254739
yes you're prescribed his texts to read in high school because you study his works in the following classes
>>69254316
Pretty good. Top notch visual direction.
>we will never see Tarkovsky's Hamlet
>>69254752
Ninety percent of students that read Shakespeare in high school don't understand a single line of it. Most of them think that Romeo and Juliet is a love story. There are entire acts in his plays that take numerous readings to even begin to understand them.
Yes, you can 'get' the basic plot, character motivations and story, but to actually gain a deeper understanding takes a lot of time. There's nothing 'entry level' about them. High school students used to read the Republic, too, does that make Plato entry level?
>>69254865
>Ninety percent of students that read Shakespeare in high school don't understand a single line of it.
Ninety percent of students who study anything don't understand a thing.
>High school students used to read the Republic, too, does that make Plato entry level?
Again, yes. The Greeks are always where you begin if you want to study philosophy.
>>69254975
*anything in high school
>>69254865
>does that make Plato entry level?
he is though
that's why you begin with his works when you study philsophy
>>69254860
>We will never see Branaugh's Leer or Tempest
It just keeps getting worse
>>69255061
Never say never until they put him in the ground.
>>69255079
Branagh makes capeshit now
>>69254865
I fucking hate people like you who use "entry level" as some kind of insult because you don't understand what it means.
Plato is entry level, dumb cunt.
Bela Tarr's Macbeth
>>69255103
He made one cape movie. Joss Whedon went from the Avengers to Much Ado About Nothing, and did a pretty good job with it. Not as good as Branagh's, but at least it didn't have Keanu Reeves in it.
>>69255178
Keanu honestly wasn't that bad
>>69254865
>Plato isn't entry level
What philosopher would you consider entry level then?
I think you're treating the phrase "entry level" from the point of view of the general public. Of course, Shakespeare and Plato would be difficult for most people to grasp. But that's not what entry level means. It refers to those works that are encountered when first specializing in a field. Thus Plato is entry level for someone studying philosophy, just like Shakespeare is for an English literature student or Kurosawa is for a film student.
>>69254075
>ran
This is probably my pic for best non-western adaptation of Shakespeare
>>69255231
Yes, he really was.
I'm not one of those people that says that he's one of the worst actors in the business, because he honestly tries. He puts a lot of effort into everything that he does. He put a lot of effort into Much Ado. But effort isn't all that you bring to Shakespeare.
Hell, even experienced, noteworthy and capable actors aren't guaranteed to do a good job with Shakespeare. It takes training and dedication to really bring his words to life.
Keanu just wasn't the man for that role, and something tells me that Branagh knew that, which is why he gave him such a small part, and why he trimmed that part down as much as possible.
>I am a man of few words.
GOOD.
>>69253223
>>69255295
I know I'm inviting mega >shitpost on this by saying but the proverbs out of the old testament is probably what I would describe as 'entry level' philosophy
![Kumonosu-jo.avi_snapshot_00.49.45_[2016.02.11_23.52.50].png](https://i.imgur.com/YMDCzxq.png "Kumonosu-jo.avi_snapshot_00.49.45_[2016.02.11_23.52.50].png")
>>69253693
It literally shows at my local theatre its not obscure
>>69255393
The Proverbs are entry level in the derogatory sense. A child could understand them.
>>69255393
Old Testament more so than stuff in the New Testament? Not saying I disagree, just wondering what your thoughts are.
>>69255334
Even then you have to take in to account all of the other actors that have done shakrspeare and judge him on that, he wasn't as bad as John Leguizamo
>>69255616
Oh yes. No doubt of that. There are much better actors who have done far worse with Shakespeare. Leonardo di Caprio, for example. Though, I don't know who to really blame for that, him or the director.
>>69255393
That's not a philosopher
pretty sure the best shakespeare adaptation would be one that actually uses Shakespeare's words. you know, what made his work special.
>>69255704
Come the fuck on, Gerard Butler was horseshit in that.
>>69255704
I liked it, couldnt love it. Didnt like Gerard Butler because I couldnt fucking understand what he was saying sometimes, and you really need to enunciate words when doing Shakespeare or it doesnt work very well.
Tommy Boy is a great version of Hamlet
Surprised Titus hasn't been mentioned yet.
>>69255857
>>69255947
I am from Glasgow sounds fine for me senpai
>>69254390
Saw the play last night and had watched the movie prior, but I did not really get the idea that Lady Macbeth was cut out a lot. Am I just dense?
>>69254509
>>69254662
High schoolers honestly aren't even equipped to understand Shakespeare.
I get that you're attempting to appear "patrician" by criticizing Shakespeare, but he's legit the best writer ever, probably, and one of the smartest people who ever lived. The fact that high schools teach him doesn't mean casuals or average-IQ people are capable of appreciating it.
That's the real definition of entry level. Any idiot can get all that's worth getting from a Tarantino or Nolan movie. Therefore, they are entry-level. You can't say the same for Shakespeare. There's actual human insight underneath the surface level of his stories that takes thinking to put together.
High schools insist on teaching Shakespeare because he is so important, not because he is appropriate for high schoolers to study or "entry level."
>>69255979
It's as good as a Titus Andronicus adaptation can be. Aaron the Moor was fantastic, and Hopkins was at his batshit best. The final scene has been seared into my memory and will probably be my last thought as I shuffle off this mortal coil.
>>69256089
>I get that you're attempting to appear "patrician" by criticizing Shakespeare,
No one's criticizing him.
You retards still seem to think entry-level is an insult.
who /branagh/ here?
>>69253693
>kurosawa's entry-level samurai flicks
>genreshit
>kino
Try again pleb
>>69256310
Till the day I die, his version of Hamlet is by far the best adaptation of any if Shakespeare's works bar none
>>69254344
Severely underrated post
>>69256390
>dismissing some of the finest movies ever made as genreshit
And people say that /tv/ isn't filled with hipster scum.
>>69256233
Not an insult, but it seems more functional if it means "easily understood by a beginner/average person/lay person."
There's no strict definition of the term, but Merriam Webster reads "at the lowest level; at the level of someone who is just starting a job or career." This wouldn't really apply to Shakespeare. His works aren't "at the lowest level" in any way, and you couldn't really describe them as "at the level of someone who is just starting" to appreciate literature. There's a great deal of lit that's more appropriate for some who's "just starting."
Being taught in high school doesn't mean it's "at the level" of a high schooler. I think entry level is thus a poor way to describe Shakespeare.
>>69256545
>and you couldn't really describe them as "at the level of someone who is just starting" to appreciate literature
But that's completely true.
>>69254277
Literally who has called Ran pleb for being in color
If anything, the vibrant colors make it even better. Ran would not be as good in black and white
>>69256482
It is really, really good genreshit, but still genreshit. Nowhere near the peaks his more serious efforts reach.
>>69256699
Yep. It's one of the most gorgeous movies ever made, and makes me wish I could send color film equipment back in time so that all of Kurosawa's movies could look as good as Ran does.
>>69256742
Okay, fair enough, but Kagemusha, Ran, the Seven Samurai, Rashomon...none of these movies deserve to be lumped into a homogeneous genre.
>>69255857
yeah but he barely had any significant screen time which lessened the damage, and Ralph Fiennes was GoAT
>>69256784
>he watches foreign flicks
pfff, look at this faggot
>>69253223
Yes.
This:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSDUnc9Qbts
>>69253223
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/05/07/the-henrys-meet-game-of-thrones---the-hollow-crown-henry-vi-part/
>>69255979
is this the one where the centurions are armed with machine guns but wear otherwise traditional Roman armor?
>>69256390
This.
>>69256482
This hipster is you, Kurosawa boi
Post scenes women will NEVER understand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRj01LShXN8
>>69254316
A showcase for acting talent and visual beauty. A bit shallow and not as enjoyable as it should have been though. Really is amazingly beautiful at points and the acting is top tier tho.
>>69253223
Throne of Blood is great, but this was also quite good.
Ran
>tfw a Japanese director made the best film adaptations of English plays
Waitu Piggus BTFO.
>>69253693
There are people on this board who haven't seen Throne of Blood?
Also
>favorite Shakespeare play is A Midsummer Night's Dream
>no adaptation exists that makes me feel the kind of magic I felt when I used to read the play as a kid
Then again I've only seen like 3 of them.
>>69256482
fucking maggot. your mother never loved you
>>69256224
Amen on all points. I can't say it's the best ever, but I have had the strongest emotional response to this adaptation of all I've seen. Plus, Taymor's visuals are amazing. Remind me of the final scene?
>>69257268
I can't recall that detail, but the film takes place in an alternate universe that is part fascist Italy, part ancient Rome, so probably.
>>69259263
There is no good film adaptation of A Midsummer Night's Dream
>>69254075
Olivier's Richard III as a performance is superb, the film itself is sub-par
>>69259446
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6x-WvcdUmA
>>69253223
I sure hope not cause Throne of Blood fucking sucked.
>>69253693
I've seen almost all of them but didn't watch Throne for some reason.
Hidden Fortress is best.
>>69259542
I looked at that, but it was several scenes, all good, so I wondered what had such an impact on you. The baby?
>>69253223
Polaski Macbeth.
The best of kurosawa best is high and low
>>69259734
Just the insanity of it. The audaciousness. And the fact that fucking Shakespeare wrote that.
>>69259907
This really has nothing in common with Romeo and Juliet besides "two young people from rivaling communities love each other"
>>69260050
But *what* scene in particular? The dinner? Lucius? Aaron? The baby?
>>69260164
Oh! The dinner. And Aaron's execution scene. The scene where they deliver Titus' sons' heads to him is also so fucked up and daring that it's worth remembering. There's so much of that movie that's just so bizarre and somehow really works.
>>69260116
which is why it's better.
>>69260218
The dinner really was such a delicious revenge. One of the most satisfying I can recall. Agreed, so many iconic scenes. Two standouts for me are:
>Titus:If there were reason for these miseries, then in to LIMITS COULD I BIND MY WOES!He was like a force of nature there.
And Aaron's speech on how he wishes he could have done moreevil.
>>69260371
O, why should wrath be mute, and fury dumb?
I am no baby, I, that with base prayers
I should repent the evils I have done:
Ten thousand worse than ever yet I did
Would I perform, if I might have my will;
If one good deed in all my life I did,
I do repent it from my very soul.
>>69260423
>>69254316
Did anyone else have trouble understanding the accents in this too much? Before you go ">AMERICANS CAN'TWA D WDAWJDLWAD", I have Scottish relatives from the country and they have extremely thick accents and I can understand them.
Maybe I didn't have the volume high enough or maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention.
>>69259484
That one set in the 20s was the best of a bad bunch.
I hear that homo cunt RTD REALLY fucked it up recently.
>>69260669
It was bad. It wasn't any accent but they mumbled everything. Just because it isn't on stage that doesn't mean that you shouldn't speak clearly.
>>69259484
The one with Calista Flockhart and Batman was pretty good.
>>69253223
There was a Henry V thread a couple of hours ago and I was again reminded of that the saint Crispin's day speech is the best film rendition of Shakespeare I've ever seen.
>>69261302
I hope you're talking about the Branagh film.
>>69261387
I am
Anyone watched the entire Hollow Crown Saga? Is it worth sitting down for?
>Benedict Cabbagepatch as Richard III
>>69261426
Mine brother
https://youtu.be/UubjlL4AH4sI thought it was pretty clever
The Hollow crown series is just great. They even made Henry VI part 1 watchable.
1) Henry V - Branagh
2) Richard II - BBC Hollow Crown
3) Richard III - Ian McKellen
4) Hamlet - Branagh
5) Othello - Patrick Stewart
Also, Midsummer is objectively shit and the only good part of it is the ending where Shakespeare makes fun of his other plays
>>69253223
Ran is better Kurosawa adaptation of Shakespeare, for starters.
>>69261754
this is a baller ass intro but i'm not watching this stupid movie
![cms-image-004583511[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fxCu4Ch.jpg "cms-image-004583511[1].jpg")
pic related is kino
>>69257268
Are you thinking of Jesus Christ Superstar?
>>69261992
Ran
>>69261302
I cried the first several times I witnessed that speech. Beautiful language, and Branagh did a great job in the role.
I'm watching his Hamlet currently, and he does well portraying Hamlet's despair, wit, and anxiety. Haven't finished as my workaholism and OCD have gotten in the way.
>>69261508
>you will never witness that speech in person and then proceed to murder as many Frogs as you can for Anglo glory
feels not good
>>69262302
Don't get me wrong, watch Branagh's Hamlet any way you can, but it really is best if you see it all in a single sitting.
>>69256592
Idk. I have to disagree. I think Shakespeare is taught in high school because he's so important culturally and linguistically, not because high schoolers' reading comprehension and analytical skills are suitable to understand it.
Schools simply don't won't to graduate students without exposing them to Shakes., which I can understand. No one really thinks 15 and 17 year olds are going to gain insight into Shakespearean themes like substance vs. show, fortune, passion/will vs. reason, etc.
>>69262673
>everyone is stupid except me
>>69262888
?
Are you trying to say that Shakespeare is taught in high school because they honestly think they'll understand the substance of it?
I think the more likely explanation is that schools and communities don't want to call students "educated" unless they've been forced to be acquainted with Shakespeare.
>>69254075
The thing is, it's all Olivier, his performance is the entire quality of the film.
>>69263259
I think it's taught because it's entry level literature.
There are plenty of things students in high school are taught that you can argue they don't really grasp but you'd call those things entry level too.
>>69263305
That said, should I skip it? Criterion movies are pretty expensive, after all.
Strange Brew
Branagh's Much Ado About Nothing is good
>>69263369
Well his performance keeps you gripped all the way through, so if you want a good film with a lot better colour to be part of your collection go for it. But if you're not particularly bothered about having a blu ray of it since you'd get the same Olivier in a different format I wouldn't spend that much.
Basically, if you want all your collection to be blu rays get it because it's still a brilliant film.
If you don't mind having it on DVD just get that.
>>69263720
Hm. Alright, it's still on my list, but I'll get Polanski's MacBeth first.
>>69261875
>Midsummer is objectively shit
>>69261875
That very time I saw, but thou couldst not,
Flying between the cold moon and the earth,
Cupid all arm'd: a certain aim he took
At a fair vestal throned by the west,
And loosed his love-shaft smartly from his bow,
As it should pierce a hundred thousand hearts;
But I might see young Cupid's fiery shaft
Quench'd in the chaste beams of the watery moon,
And the imperial votaress passed on,
In maiden meditation, fancy-free.
Yet mark'd I where the bolt of Cupid fell:
It fell upon a little western flower,
Before milk-white, now purple with love's wound,
And maidens call it love-in-idleness.
Fetch me that flower; the herb I shew'd thee once:
The juice of it on sleeping eye-lids laid
Will make or man or woman madly dote
Upon the next live creature that it sees.
Fetch me this herb; and be thou here again
Ere the leviathan can swim a league.
>>69264181
Midsummer Night's Dream may not be the most gripping, challenging or exciting, but it is some of his most melodious, musical work.
>>69254075
I was lucky enough to catch Chimes at Midnight at an art cinema place near my home. Really impressive production, funny as hell too. Can't believe Orson had to lose weight to play Falstaff.
