No way
>>69227738
what's the name of the one on the left?
I knew there was something to that Wayne mausoleum scene but didn't bother looking up the painting.
DUDE
CHRISTIAN SYMBOLISM
LMAO
>>69227894
Also the rocks look like Metropolis' buildings.
>>69227901
pic related
>>69227738
Visionary
>>69227738
>retards are going to think that this is meaningless
The reason why it's there is in the Man-Bat scene is to show that Bruce has become so infatuated with killing Superman he's tainted the memory of his own mother with his lust for revenge. In short his reason for defeating criminals this entire time was his mother, but this time against Superman, it's the Bat itself. That's why there's this painting there in blue and red like Superman, and that's why the Bat shoots out of his mom's grave.
>>69227894
St. Michael Vanquishing Satan
No thank you?
Are Marvelcucks actually upset about symbolism?
>>69228095
You're doing God's work, anon.
Now this
>>68992181
>>69128743
In case you missed them
>>69228124
>>69228124
>looks remarkably similar to artist Cleon Peterson’s “A Balance of Terror,” showing terribly violent acts perpetrated by characters in black, upon characters of white.
>Considering that the film will later feature the Dark Knight brutally beating the shining beacon of hope that is Superman, the artwork is actually foreshadowing.
>>69227958
>These people with high IQ said BvS is kino so it must be good!
Do you realize how dumb this makes you look? Post your own IQ if you think it proves anything, anon.
Once good rip comes out I will literally go through every single frame to point out the symbolism
I will create the Bible of Snyder
Can we get a bvs discussion thread going on?
Dump everything you've got.
>>69228382
Ok, I'll take the test.
![Excalibur.1981.1080p.BluRay.x264.anoXmous_.mp4_snapshot_02.12.55_[2015.05.26_21.13.00].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qkzzPWX.jpg "Excalibur.1981.1080p.BluRay.x264.anoXmous_.mp4_snapshot_02.12.55_[2015.05.26_21.13.00].jpg")
>>69227958
Robocop guy here
BvS audience confirmed for fedoracore redditors who take IQ tests seriously
>>69227738
Of course we're supposed to find these things. Zod is represented as Satan being vanquished by St. Michael.
However it's clear from the image in Bruce's dream that there is no Zod in his mind. From Bruce's perspective all that pain and suffering was Clark's fault.
>>69228815
To each his own. If you're so smart why do you waste your precious time in these threads?
>>69228382
147 but I've never used it for anything. Been roofing with mexicans that cant even read for the past 11yrs
>>69228428
Visual guide here (still incomplete)
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/68915764/#68926032
too easy but someone had to do it
>>69228891
Saint Michael the Archangel isn't a saint, but rather he is an angel, and the leader of all angels and of the army of God. This is what the title "Archangel" means, that he is above all the others in rank.
St. Michael has four main responsibilities or offices, as we know from scripture and Christian tradition.
The first is to combat Satan.
The second is to escort the faithful to heaven at their hour of death.
The third is to be a champion of all Christians, and the Church itself.
And the fourth is to call men from life on Earth to their heavenly judgment.
Very little is known about St Michael other than what we know from scriptures, which themselves are sparse.
In Daniel, St. Michael is mentioned twice. The first time as one who helped Daniel, and the second time he is mentioned with regard to the end times of the world when he will stand for the "children of thy people."
His next mention comes in the Epistle of St. Jude, where St. Michael is said to guard the tombs of Moses and Eve and has contended with Satan over the body of Moses.
The final mention is in Revelation, where St. Michael and his angels, do battle with the dragon.
There are other scriptures where St. Michael is implied, but not mentioned by name, such as the angel; who defends the gate to Paradise, who defends against Balaam, and "who routed the army of Sennacherib."
Today, St. Michel is invoked for protection, especially from lethal enemies. He is also the patron of soldiers, police and doctors.
>>69229439
who /teamluci/ here?
Michael a shit
![BlackPhillip[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/15YKsGi.jpg "BlackPhillip[1].jpg")
>>69229568
All the way baby
>>69229283
saved.
>>69228891
It's supposed to be Doomsday at the bottom though.
>>69229439
Retard here.
>St. Michael is said to guard the tombs of Moses and Eve and has contended with Satan over the body of Moses.
>has contended with Satan over the body of Moses.
>over the body of Moses.
For what?
Why the body of Moses was so important?
Please respond.
>>69229852
Zod=Doomsday in practical terms
>>69229605
>dat terrible CGI
>>69229938
Satan is the lord of deception.
Moses was the greatest human leader at the time, so everyone cared about him. He would have used his body as an object if worship, having full control over humanity,
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jamrudGfC4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qNeGSJaQ9Q
Doomsday's birth is very reminiscent to both of these scenes.
Same as Doomsday, the Frankenstein monster was born from corpses.
Same as the Uruk-hai, who were orc-men crossbreeds, Doomsday is a Kryptonian-Earthling crossbreed, he resembles a LotR troll on purpose too.
>>69230803
Thanks.
This is now a BvS Patrician discussion thread
>>69230803
So did Satan win possession of Christ's body. And thus mass control over humanity.
>>69228295
>>69228994
Keep up the good work
>>69231017
He realised influencing his death sentence (twice) would be more of a victory, since Jesus took his body with him to heaven
>>69231235
I think actually controlling the body of Christ and dictating his will hereafter woud be the bigger win, politically.
![batman-v-superman-trailer-027[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/s1LoDLL.jpg "batman-v-superman-trailer-027[1].jpg")
>>69229439
>Today, St. Michel is invoked for protection
Poor Clark.
>>69230816
Doomsday and the Frankenstein monster were both reanimated with the help of electricity.
>people here actually watch capeshit
wow
>>69231348
Only problem with that plan is Christ ascended with his body.
That hasn't stopped churches claiming they have the hairs of Christ or the bones of Christ to exploit people for money
Look this shit is not symbolism, its reference. The same kind of reference that makes you hate Ready Player One. It's not obscure nor is it meaningful. It's pop culture meme spouting from an age older than any of your living relatives, that doesn't make it good.
>>69231720
>>69231861
It's hilarious every time I see something like this being posted.
>movie is literally a thesis on gods and monsters, the deification of a god like being and the implications societal and moral of said god like beings existence in our real world
>Religious allusions and symbolism are meaningless! Just references! Have nothing to do with the plot!!
Fucking cretins.
>>69230803
Based Snyder.
How can people not love this beautiful man's work?
>>69230803
holy shit that looks almost as deep as neon genesis evangelion. that's really powerful imagery
>>69232322
>He's facing up, not down like in the rest of the images.
>Instead of attacking demons from below he'll defend the planet from space menaces.
[VIOLINS INTENSIFY]
>>69227738
Stop promoting your shitty post in other threads
Decision 2016
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>>69232322
>How can people not love this beautiful man's work?
Because copying renaissance paintings isn't impressive. People have been knocking off Renaissance paintings since the Renaissance. And the obvious references are particularly not impressive when they're surrounded by 2 hours of boring, belligerently stupid dogshit.
It's a bunch of 80-year-old comic characters contradictorily "reinterpreted" through the lens of a 70-year-old objectivist ideology, awkwardly posing to recreate 500-year-old religious imagery of 2000-year-old religious lore. It's a fucking joke. It's what a stupid person thinks is smart.
>>69233352
back to your GoT thread you go
>>69233352
>And the obvious references are particularly not impressive when they're surrounded by 2 hours of boring, belligerently stupid dogshit.
The references are not incidental to an unrelated plot, and you know that.
They all tie in to a much larger story structure of mankind coming to terms with Gods (metahumans) among them.
>>69227958
Thought BVS was a decent movie. Definitely has some big problems but beats something like Avengers where you can just replace superhoes with robots and get transformers.
It's Icarus. So uh... what are you trying to tell me here, little man? That you don't like Zep?
If you look closely, you can actually see Jesus' face in the jar of piss.
Bravo/10 Snyderman!
>>69230803
Wait a tic did the orginal comic artists intned this?
>>69227901
>Snyder
The joke that keeps on giving
>>69229605
Stop posting Stevie Nicks. This isn't a waifu thread.
>>69228707
>>69228815
Is 4chan actually intelligent, or am I getting rused here? Or is 110 the new 100, as it were?
me: >>69233756
>>69233994
4chan is where smart people go to pretend they're dumb.
Sadly this attracts a lot of dumb people too.
>>69233849
Wow I know your joking but you might have cracked the code of that symbolism! I had forgotten all about piss Jesus. We will need to do more research
>>69233705
>They all tie in to a much larger story structure of mankind coming to terms with Gods (metahumans) among them.
The "structure" is dogshit.
And there's more God imagery out there than fucking Catholic renaissance art. It's a story about "mankind coming to terms with God," not Gods. It's the second movie with exclusively monotheistic imagery, in spite of the fact that the movie is literally about the introduction of a whole gaggle of Gods. Now there's water jesus, lady jesus, robot jesus, and time and space jesus. Plenty of intriguing polytheism imagery out there if the idea is actually about "Mankind coming to term with Gods (metahumans) among them." It's not allusion, it's fucking reference. And it doesn't "tie in" at all. You can kill the entire fucking Day-of-Dead.jpg hero jesus montage and you lose nothing in the narrative.
>>69233756
>>69228707
Are you retards actually taking online IQ tests?
And you're actually taking the results seriously?you know how I know you're not a genius?
>>69234093
I'd never taken one before. It is on the mensa website, so I doubt they would have it there if they didn't think it at least did a somewhat decent job of imitating a real test. You should take one. I'd be interested to see the results.
>at what point did I claim to be a genius
You sound kind of insecure.
>>69234032
>And it doesn't "tie in" at all. You can kill the entire fucking Day-of-Dead.jpg hero jesus montage and you lose nothing in the narrative.
Pic so fucking related.
>>69234032
>he wants a literal, one-to-one translation of renaissance symbols to plot
>>69234188
>It is on the mensa website, so I doubt they would have it there if they didn't think it at least did a somewhat decent job of imitating a real test.
Nice meme. Mensa is a money trap for insecure dipshits that are good at taking tests. How many questions where on the test?
> I'd be interested to see the results.
I've taken 4 IQ tests administered by diagnostic professionals in a clinical setting. Gotten a few different results. One time I was tired and annoyed. One time I studied. My "high score" was 40 points higher than my "low score." It's a measure of the ability to take a test. Not a measure of actual intelligence.
>>69233870
i don't think so, and the movie has had me thinking since i saw it
i'm sure that snyder thinks something along the lines of what i'm going to say, especially given the joseph campbell connection and how he talks about myth
i think everything snyder does is already *there* he just makes it visual and explicit
i've even wondered if jesus and moses are just capeshit from their times and this is actually something primal within us as a species that as of yet hasn't gone away
that is to say, i wonder if those comics have been written by "hidden hand" that comes from the unconscious and bvs takes an overt angle to play with internal aspects of certain characters while the movie itself plays with internal concepts we currently have in relation to the subjects touched on in the movie
>>69234439
>he wants a literal, one-to-one translation of renaissance symbols to plot
No I don't want any fucking forced renaissance imagery at all. The only reason he dips into the renaissance shit is when he's run out of DKR panels to xerox.
>>69234230
>talking about religious renaissance imagery in BvS, bring up skull shit from MoS.
>>69230816
>>69231644
i think these scenes are good to illustrate the sort of subconscious pattern the movie plays with
i think metropolis is useful here as well
>>69234502
That all may true, but that has nothing to do with this online test. It was about 35 questions, I believe. Just pattern recognition, not exhaustive by any means.
But to stay on topic, you really think an avengers movie is better than bvs? Just take bvs for what it is; throw out all the unnecessary bullshit biblical references, and you're left with at least kind of an interesting plot and some cool dream sequence things and a batman who is actually driven by fear rather than heroism. I don't think avengers has anything like that to offer.
>>69234603
Read Umberto Eco's The Myth of Superman
![south-park-s05e09c06-looks-like-were-going-to-afghanistan-16x9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vXevjdw.jpg "south-park-s05e09c06-looks-like-were-going-to-afghanistan-16x9[1].jpg")
>>69233905
Stevie a cute!
>>69227901
DUDE
MY SUBCONSCIOUS MIND IS TELLING ME THAT SUPERMAN'S NOT A BAD GUY AND MY OBSESSION IS EATING ME
LMAO
Oh wait, this is a MCUck thread.
>DUDE
>CHRISTIAN SYMBOLISM
>LMAO
>>69234675
think i have the pdf somewhere
checked and i do
i'll be back and say if anything clicked for me that i think hasn't been talked about yet
kryptonians are just earthlings from the future
>A guy that came from heaven to save the humanity
>>69227958
>tfw anxiety sets in when taking a pointless internet quiz
>>69233994
Been here a loooooooong time. Have seen countless IQ threads across tons of boards. Average seems to be around 130. But who knows how many people take it and don't post after being disappointed in their score.
>>69234671
>But to stay on topic, you really think an avengers movie is better than bvs?
Think you were talking to someone else, but absolutely yes. BvS, as a movie, is a fucking disaster. Snyder didn't really understand how Chekov's Gun works so he stupidly moved Lex getting access to the ship and Zod's body to his second scene. Making essentially everything that happens in the second act completely pointless from a narrative perspective.
The batmanslaughter convoy attack sequence has no narrative reason to exist.
The Flash tease completely ruined the point of the Knightmare in the plot of the movie. Instead of an ambiguous mystery about who the "her" was that Batman "took away from Superman," we get Mexicali Flash screaming at the audience about Lois, because Zack doesn't understand what Kuleshov was talking about.
> with at least kind of an interesting plot
There's a drastically altered 90 minute version of the movie with "an interesting plot." Mason Jars full of piss and blowing up congress for no benefit aren't "interesting," they're "baffling."
>and some cool dream sequence things
Man-Bat dream is redundant, forced, and a momentum suck.
Pa Kent dream primarily addresses the first movie, appears in the third act of the second, is like a parody of someone doing grimdark.
>batman who is actually driven by fear rather than heroism.
Actively sabotaged by the imagery and poem suggesting that the bats "take him to the light." Much of his stated reason to want to kill Supes is driven by narcissism. He wants to secure his legacy on a suicide by God mission.
>I don't think avengers has anything like that to offer.
I don't spend $15 to go watch a superhero movie for the biblical references and vague, contradictory dream sequences.
took this last night im not even smart so get off ur high horse iq tests are garbage
>>69234029
>Piss Christis a 1987 photograph by the AmericanartistandphotographerAndres Serrano. It depicts a small plasticcrucifixsubmerged in a glass of the artist'surine.
Lex Luthor's sabotage of Superman's will to serve humanity was highlighted by his seemingly ultra-petty humiliation of Senator Finch. Yet the two unrelated schemes have this artful connection.
>SisterWendy Beckett, an art critic andCatholic nun, stated in a television interview withBill Moyersthat she regarded the work as not blasphemous but a statement on "what we have done to Christ": that is, the way contemporary societyhas come to regardChristand the values he represents.
The entire idea behind the Congressional Hearing was Piss Christ. Hell, the idea of the movie is Piss Christ. Snyder is completely aware of all the themes at work here, including that of a "realistic" take on Superman being detrimental to the character. Placing Superman in a real world setting -- that of cynics, corruption, and apathy -- is the same as placing Jesus in a jar of piss that is our contemporary society. This doubles down on the prediction that Superman's miracle of resurrection will usher in a new era for this world free from the cyncisim and 'realism' where Superman can live up to his potential.
>Catholic Archbishop of Melbourne,George Pell, sought an injunction from theSupreme Court of Victoriato restrain the National Gallery of Victoria from publicly displayingPiss Christ, which was not granted. Some days later, one patron attempted to remove the work from the gallery wall, and two teenagers later attacked it with a hammer.
Snyder was even genius enough to predict the movie's hatred, from prominent critics and especially from passionate youths desperate for the pure symbol promised to them in their sunday schools and bedtime stories (comics and cartoons).
Justice League, as the final part of the Superman trilogy, will reveal all.
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>>69233352
A significantly large portion of the audience is completely oblivious to those 'obvious' references. Your position is strange to me, since BvS simultaneously has carefully chosen and consistent imagery that references a specific section of culture and contrasts it with modern pop mythology but is apparently stupid dogshit.
>>69235171
What is with this guy and dogshit alla time?
![Piss_Christ_by_Serrano_Andres_(1987)[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tRY1AvM.jpg "Piss_Christ_by_Serrano_Andres_(1987)[1].jpg")
>>69235093
piss related
>>69234989
>Snyder didn't really understand how Chekov's Gun works so he stupidly moved Lex getting access to the ship and Zod's body to his second scene. Making essentially everything that happens in the second act completely pointless from a narrative perspective.
You apparently don't understand Chekov's gun principle otherwise you would not have made this stupid post.
>because Zack doesn't understand what Kuleshov was talking about.
Why are you talking about Kuleshov?
>>69234989
Maybe we just look for different things in movies. I rather a flawed movie that feels somewhat novel over a movie without plot holes but which adds absolutely nothing to my 'known universe' of cinema. In other words, whether it's transformers 1,2,3 etc, or avengers 1,2,3,etc, just one of those movies can occupy a slot in my memory and basically represent all of them. To me bvs happens to be unique enough that I feel like it deserves its own slot in my memory.
>>69235093
The wetness of the child takes the dreamer to bed-wetting. He remembers that he used to wet his bed when he was little, a habit which he kept up for some time. Bed-wetting is certainly an infantile mode of behaviour. - The question of urine comes in here, and the genetic significance of urinary symbols. The connection between urethral erotism and power is recognized. Power psychology is in
some way often connected with urinary symbolism in the unconscious. We have to consider the significance of urination symbolically. I can find no reason why the act of urination in the dream, or the sexual
act itself, should always be arbitrarily taken as a finality. The urinary stream passes out into the world of objects. Urination thus
can become a symbol of the libido passing outwards into reality. I might speak of a ' urinary' relationship to the object, a urinary
relationship to the object being characteristic of a peculiar, urgent, non-humorous, power-ambition psychology, in my experience. The
patient in question had a pronounced power-relationship, of an infantile character, to the object; and therefore, correspondingly, an
enormous resistance to the subjective relationship to the unconscious.
>>69235171
>our position is strange to me, since BvS simultaneously has carefully chosen and consistent imagery that references a specific section of culture and contrasts it with modern pop mythology but is apparently stupid dogshit.
Because it wasn't really "carefully chosen," and was only consistent in that it was made by a catholic-imagery-obsessed Christian Scientist WASP. Listen to his interviews. He chooses his imagery largely based around what looks neat.
And "contrasting" fucking renaissance catholic imagery with comic book mythology isn't innovative or impressive. They're our culture's legends. Literally every fucking comic book movie understands and conveys that. Constantly putting characters literally standing in front of metaphorical renaissance paintings and constantly making them awkwardly recreating them is like the textbook definition of "obvious." Superman was always Jesus, you don't need to literally make him that. You don't need to have a majority of the dialogue be about MUH GODS. It's forced, it's brash, it's fucking stupid, and endlessly redundant. If he put half as much effort into making the narrative as clear as the "subtext," the movie wouldn't be consistently called "incoherent." Nobody doesn't understand Lex's beef with God, because he literally says it. What they don't understand is why he knew any of the shit that he knew, or what his plan was in the first 2 acts, because they never show it.
>>69235459
The symbolisms of in front or behind are not really always sexual in meaning. They may deal with the relationship to the world of objects and the relationship to the world of the unconscious. In a sense the unconscious lies behind us, the world of objects lies in front of us. The symbols of urination and defaecation are sometimes used in these and many other applications. In connection with urination and power we have to remember that the child has often many fantasies with regard to the urinary stream, about its direction, about the height
it can go and the area it can cover. These become associated with the idea of the putting out of one's own personality into life as an
expression of power over the object. The custom of certain primitive tribes in handing on the power to a new-coming medicine man must
be mentioned here. The retiring Shamam passes urine over the newcomer, thereby handing on his power. The frequency of micturition that often comes when people are in a very ambitious, excited, and restless state of mind must also be considered. I will take the
reference in the dream to the infantile personality being dirty and wet with urine as being connected with the theme of the infantile power relationship to the object, developed later to a 'blood' relationship.
SOME ANALYTICAL INTERPRETATIONS.*
By MAURICE NICOLL, LONDON.
http://jnnp.bmj.com/content/s1-2/5/26.full.pdf
Something I'd like to take a moment to point out.
There are plenty of instances of religious iconography in this film that aren't directly tied to Christianity. The thunderclouds and lightning could be taken as allusions to other gods like Zeus and Thor, but more generally, Superman is being presented as a savior deity on some occasions and as a solar deity on others, but since the early Christian church appropriated much of the imagery typically associated with Apollo, it still comes off looking vaguely Christian to western society,
Pic related.
>>69235501
>If he put half as much effort into making the narrative as clear as the "subtext," the movie wouldn't be consistently called "incoherent."
WTF was unclear about the narrative?
A bad guy exploits two good guys misgivings towards each other while working on a super-monster.
How the fuck is that confusing to even a five year old?
>>69235501
>Nobody doesn't understand Lex's beef with God, because he literally says it.
You seriously havent seen the scores of people, including numerous journalism websites literally asking "What was Lex Luthors motivation anyways?"
>>69235501
>And "contrasting" fucking renaissance catholic imagery with comic book mythology isn't innovative or impressive.
What would be?
And aren't you dismissing the presentation by saying that even the idea is pretentious and bad regardless of BvS' filmic eloquence?
>>69235589
Basically because the plan seems to have no rhyme or reason at a glance. That's mainly because Luthor never outright states what his real goal is, but here's a hint,
>>69227901
>Robocop by Snyder.jpg
That's good. I'm stealing that.
>>69235373
>You apparently don't understand Chekov's gun principle otherwise you would not have made this stupid post.
Chekov's gun is that you establish that there is a gun in the first act. Not that you give the antagonist the gun, and the bullets, in their second scene, and then have the second act focus on the antogonist's attempts at getting a knife.
Great example of Chekov's gun in 10 Cloverfield Lane: She packs the expensive bottle of scotch in her first scene. in the second act Howard mentions that he had grabbed the scotch but forgot it in his truck. In the third act she rediscovers the Scotch in the truck and uses it as a bomb. She's not holding onto a lit Molotov cocktail the entire fucking movie.
>Why are you talking about Kuleshov?
If you follow one ambiguous shot or sequence with an explicit shot or sequence, the audience forms a logical understanding of the intention. Language of cinema etc. The Knightmare was written as ambiguous, the ambiguous "her" as written in the dream is supposed to inform the MARTHA plot pivot. But it completely fails because the ambiguous sequence was immediately followed by Flash yelling about goddamn Lois, in an unwritten scene that Zack thought would be neat and threw in at the last minute to tease a future movie. He ruined the narrative of the movie trying to tease the next one. Fucking Kuleshov.
>the desire to be a contrarian snowflake and prove everyone else wrong has actually deluded DCucks into the elaborate study and documentation of the imagery in fucking capeshit
jesus christ, it's like the star wars ring theory all over again.
you guys should really focus these mental gymnastics on something productive.
>>69229568
>>69229605
Wouldst thou like to live deliciously?
>>69235622
>Basically because the plan seems to have no rhyme or reason at a glance.
So you're going to make me copypasta this AGAIN. Okay, here goes...
The fucking thing the autists can't grasp (being autists) is that Luthor's approach changed SEVERAL times during the movie, as circumstances changed:
1. Work with Holly Hunter's Senator Finch to criminalize and control metahumans (a la Watchmen, The Incredibles). Collect data on Metas. Create incidents embarrassing Superman (like the African crisis, which spiraled out of control after Supes left).
BUT THEN...
2. Big Kryptonite chunk found. Hire thugs to bring chunk into country, at same time, court Finch to legally authorize this importation, which would grant him tacit Federal approval of his anti-metahuman schemes
BUT THEN...
3. Finch tells him to fuck off. At same time, he does obtain access to Zod's body and the Krypton scoutship. Continue illegal scheme to import Kryptonite, start working on a way to trick his way into the scoutship with Zod's fingerprints.
BUT THEN...
4. Batman swipes his Kryptonite. Accesses scoutship, starts researching Krypton, decides to create Doomsday. Blow up US Congress, killing Finch (Luthor fucking HATES being thwarted) and further humiliating Supes. Kidnaps Martha Kent, blackmails Supes into fighting Bats (who he knows has a Kryptonite advantage) while Doomsday preps. No matter who wins, Doomsday kills the victor.
BUT THEN...
5. Last minute change of heart* spares Supes, who teams with Bats and WW to defeat Doomsday at the cost of Supes life. Now in deep shit, Luthor (deleted scene, but presumably canon) contacts Darkseid before his capture. Taunts Bats from prison cell that DS is coming.
*DC continuity is within a metaverse, so in some timelines, Bats kills Supes. Not this one. Happy?
>>69235649
>Flash warning was for Martha
Nuh uh
Lois Lane is the key cuz shes pregnant and will turn Supes bad if she dies
>>69234603
The "hidden hand" thing fits into /co/'s insane hypercrisis theories.
Next analysis thread will be on Umberto Eco's essay, tune in next week.
>>69233352
O great Anon, tell us what a Smart Person thinks is smart
>>69235705
>Batman swipes his Kryptonite
It was his plan from the start to give Bats access to it.
>We should work together sometime. My R&D department is up to all sorts of no good.
>>69235622
>trying to justify DC's obvious attempt at marketing their future movie by creating an entire subplot and motivation that is entirely unsupported by anything else in the movie.
>>69235607
>And aren't you dismissing the presentation by saying that even the idea is pretentious and bad
The idea IS pretentious and bad. It makes fucking Robocop look subtle now.
>regardless of BvS' filmic eloquence
It's the lack of "filmic eloquence" that makes the annoying imagery the cartoon that it is. The movie itself is brash, lazy, stupid, filled with narrative dead ends to fill time, and one of the worst possible edits of the footage possible.
>>69235601
>"What was Lex Luthors motivation anyways?"
We don't know his narrative motivation. We know about his beef with God. Was getting caught part of his plan?
>>69235589
>WTF was unclear about the narrative?
Almost everything. There was very little narrative exposition, and it was made worse by the belligerent symbolic exposition.
>A bad guy exploits two good guys misgivings towards each other while working on a super-monster.
He also blew up congress because he was upset that a Senator rejected a trade bill that would have allowed him to import something he already smuggled. Oh no wait he committed treasonous terrorism that would obviously fall back on him to make Nancy Grace mad at Superman.
>How the fuck is that confusing to even a five year old?
Presentation. Exposition. Contradiction. Inconsistency.
>>69235730
>Flash warning was for Martha
Never said that. Flash warning was for Lois. Knightmare was ambiguous, supposed to inform the MARTHA plot pivot. Batman doesn't know if he can kill Superman, but he is learning that he's inadvertantly killing MARTHA, which the Knightmare implies could be exactly what creates the Knightmare future.
>Lois Lane is the key cuz shes pregnant and will turn Supes bad if she dies
IN THE NEXT MOVIE. It's an Injustice tease, and it ruins the point of THE CURRENT MOVIE.
>>69235093
I don't think BvS was terribly well executed, but one of the biggest complaints that I won't issue a verdict on until we get Justice League is how dark and shitty everything is.
I'm with you in thinking/hoping that Superman's resurrection is going to be a turning point not only plotwise but tonally for the movies.
In my opinion it is absolutely vital that when he comes back that things change significantly, and if they do I think it will have been well earned and retroactively make the dour tone of MoS and BvS fine.
If it doesn't though it will prove every one of Snyder's critics completely right.
>>69235908
>At that moment, I thought, “I’m not done with this yet. I want to go back and keep telling the story.” “Batman v Superman” is a bit of an “Empire Strikes Back” or “Two Towers” or any similar middle film in a trilogy. The middle film tends to be the darkest one. I do think from “Man of Steel” through “Justice League,” it is one saga really.
>I expect “Justice League” will be tonally not quite as dark as “Batman v Superman.” From that point of view, I felt compelled to go back and try to lift us and myself into a different tonal place because I think when you write a darker film, sometimes you want to redeem it all a bit.
That's the plan, anon.
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2016/03/11/inside-chris-terrios-vision-for-batman-superman-and-justice-league/
>>69234093
it's not even the legit version and just an exercise for those who want to do the real one
>>69233097
Like pottery.
Snyder's Superman opposes the historical status quo.
>>69236007
>We've had a child, Zod. A boy child. Krypton's first natural birth in centuries, and he will be free, free to forge his own destiny.
>>69235501
>WASP
>German/Austrian surname
Why did Zod stab Jor-El? Was Jor-El a demon?
>>69235705
Not bad. Let me offer a counter interpretation:
Lex sees a chance to cement his place in the history books as the man who proved the metahuman thesis and formed the Justice League to combat "the alien menace," even if it's a menace he has to create - Clark or Doomsday, What supports this:
1) Seeking access to Zod's remains and the scout ship.
2) Seeking approval for kryptonite he absolutely intended to bring into the country with or without.
3) The smile on his face when he sees that Bruce had stolen the kryptonite. This allows him to appear blameless in anything that happens to Bruce.
4) Forcing the confrontation between the two.
5) Threatening to burn Martha when a gun would be just as effective. It's possible that this was intended to be Lex's way of letting Superman know exactly how he'd been had, similar to Finch. Had the frame gone as planned, he'd have had his mercs burn Martha anyway, a murder method that he could plausibly lay off on Superman, claiming he was dangerously insane.
6) The information he'd accumulated concerning metahumans. The real smoking gun for me is that he'd even created specialized logos for each of them, as if he planned on commercially "branding" them at some point in the future. Two files are conspicuously missing - Bruce's and Clark's. Either Bruce pulled those out before forwarding them to Diana, or they never existed to begin with. My money's on the latter, as Lex planned on one being dead, and the other a fugitive for murder.
In my theory, Lex fully expected Clark to deliver Bruce's head. He'd have given Clark some faraway, bogus location for Martha, set Doomsday on either a timed release(or left the AI with instructions to release it when Superman next entered the genesis chamber, and went into hiding. Clark would return and immediately find himself in the fight of his life, freeing up Lex's men to find and eliminate Lois - the one living person besides Clark who could contradict his version of events.
>>69236085
"You're not just anyone. Some day, you're going to have to make a choice. You just have to decide what kind of a man you want to grow up to be, Clark. Whether that man is a good character or bad, it's going to change the world."
"You will give the people an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you. They will stumble. They will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders"
Why does Jor-El contradict himself?
>>69236207
The first quote is Jonathan's
>>69236184
5) Threatening to burn Martha when a gun would be just as effective. It's possible that this was intended to be Lex's way of letting Superman know exactly how he'd been had, similar to Finch. Had the frame gone as planned, he'd have had his mercs burn Martha anyway, a murder method that he could plausibly lay off on Superman, claiming he was dangerously insane.
people thought Superman killed those guys with bullets in Africa.
People probably assume Superman uses guns like Batman does.
>>69236099
>His mother, Marsha Manley (née Reeves), was a painter and a photography teacher at Daycroft School, which Snyder later attended.
>>69235375
this is the definition of poor taste
>>69236279
>people thought Superman killed those guys with bullets in Africa.
I believe that to be another victim of the cutting room floor. We don't see what else Lex's men did when they took off for that nearby village. I also still hold out hope that there's further information on those bullets, like maybe they in some way damaged their targets in a way atypical for a bullet, something that could conceivably appear to be damage inflicted by Superman.
>>69236184
Not bad back at you.
This explains the odd smile and the logos, for sure...an Injustice League with Luthor on top, and Doomsday instead of Supes.
>>69236298
>Marsha
>Martha
>>69227958
I clicked 100% randomly and got an iq of 119. If you faggots can't do better than random, just consider yourself retarded.
>>69235501
>Superman was always Jesus, you don't need to literally make him that.
A provably false statement.
http://moviepilot.com/posts/2708309
>>69235705
>So you're going to make me copypasta this AGAIN
>So you're going to make me post unsubstantiated headcanon to try and make sense of the movie AGAIN.
>Work with Holly Hunter's Senator Finch to criminalize and control metahumans
Never said. Never shown.
>Big Kryptonite chunk found
Already found.
>which would grant him tacit Federal approval of his anti-metahuman schemes
Never said. Never shown.
>Finch tells him to fuck off. At same time, he does obtain access to Zod's body and the Krypton scoutship.
Had already had access to the body, the Krypton ship, and the smuggled Kryptonite before she told him to fuck off.
>Batman swipes his Kryptonite.
After he blew up congress. You don't even have the basic order right. Why are you trying to turn this horseshit into pasta? It's literally a lie. And you've been told this before.
>5. Last minute change of heart* spares Supes
HE IS EXPLICITLY SHOWN EXPECTING SUPERMAN TO HAVE KILLED BATMAN.
>Luthor (deleted scene, but presumably canon)
Nice fucking joke m8.
>*DC continuity is within a metaverse, so in some timelines, Bats kills Supes. Not this one. Happy?
No. You're factually incorrect and intellectually a belligerent liar. You're actively trying to spread misinformation and propaganda.
The pasta is dead. Bury it.
Do some people here actually think BvS is better than Avengers or Civil War?
Like, sincerely? It seems baffling to me that someone would honestly, truly believe that.
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God Kinograph Zack Snyder and Apprentice Kinograph Ben Affleck teaming up to make Justice League as good as possible.
The marriage in the two will result in the finest Cape movie we've witnessed yet.
>>69236635
>nitpicking semantics
Superman has been compared to Jesus for over 60 years at least. The parallel couldn't be more obvious, and writers have always been drawn to allusions to that.
Kill yourself, desperate bad-movie-enabling faggot.
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>>69236742
Simply put, you have a low cinematic IQ, or some sort of Stockholm syndrome, from overexposure to bland, safe, PC and souless mass-produced blockbusters, which has conditioned you into accepting the absolute lowest-common denominator standards in filmmaking, writing and cinematography as somehow acceptable, when you should in fact feel nothing but contempt or disgust for any Kevin Feige-conveiced product.
Even strictly in the field of capeshit entertainment, where the bar has always been pretty low, since they're primarly a children media, the level of genuine quality and creative abilities (which comes from studios giving freedom to an auteur with a strong personality and vision towards the material) has kept dropping since the 90's.
When Raimi's Darkman/Spider-Man, Del Toro's Blade 2/Hellboy, Burton's Batman 2 or Bird's The Incredibles offered innovative and playful set pieces, meaningful and relevant themes, each with a very distinct, appropriate tone and truly cinematic aesthetics (simply compare the lighting or editing to today's equivalents), none of these qualities are to be found in Civil War or any of the previous MCU entries. This is why Edgar Wright got fired from Ant-Man. This is why Feige keeps hiring visionless point-and-shoot directors who come from TV or comedy, colorblind cinematographers and art/set design teams who seem to be in love with grey, sterile hangers for some unexplainable reason. Action scenes are now being conceived by CGI teams months before the movie begins shooting and all follow the exact same formula.
Even as a child, I couldn't imagine being dazzled or amused by those turds, as they're utterly devoid of any charm, colors, magic or imagination.
>>69236766
I saw this pasta already, so you wasted your time. Answer my question or go back to /b/.
>>69236662
>Never said. Never shown.
Stay away from Malick and Lynch, kid.
>tfw smarter than 95% of the worldBvS was a huge, huge piece of shit.
>>69236761
"Always" is always. That article says otherwise. I'm fully aware that he's been compared to Jesus on numerous occasions, just not from his inception.
Either make accurate statements without overstating your position or get used to someone calling you out on bullshit.
>>69236766
Pasta or not, delicious.
>>69236742
I do. It brings a lot more to the table. You may think it doesn't address them well or in their entirety, but I differ in both my opinion and my assessment of the time frame over which I believe they're being addressed.
>>69236790
>I saw this pasta already
Apparently you didn't read it.
>>69236828
>Stay away from Malick and Lynch, kid.
>kid.
So is it always just you? The guy that always calls people "kid" when defending BATMAN v SUPERMAN?
But seriously. Holy shit, kid. You're unironically trying to compare Zack Snyder's kids movie to "Malick and Lynch." I'm embarrassed for you, but at the same time I am a bit empathetic. I remember being 14. It's a confusing time for everyone.
Something I suspect we're going to find out - kryptonite is going to affect all metahumans, just to a far lesser degree than it affects Kryptonians,I believe Kryptonian genetics are going to be the in-continuity explanation for the metagene. The ramp was down on the scout ship when Clark tunneled down to it, and there was an open empty hibernation chamber
"The basis of our myths.".
>>69236855
>"Always" is always. That article says otherwise. I'm fully aware that he's been compared to Jesus on numerous occasions, just not from his inception.
You have a spectrum disorder.
>Either make accurate statements without overstating your position or get used to someone calling you out on bullshit.
SUPERMAN HAS LITERALLY. ALWAYS. BEEN JESUS. GET FUCKED FAGGOT.
>>69237209
>created by two Jewish kids.
>mirrors Moses's birth story note for note
>Always Jesus
Yet I'm the one on the spectrum there, spergy?
>>69237238
LITERALLY.
ALWAYS.
BEEN.
JESUS.
>>69237254
You seriously need to work on your trolling skills. Good day. Post some more Zach Galifianakis shoops. You're getting boring and increasingly transparent.
>>69227738
saint michael is cute. CUTE!
>>69237150
It's pasta and doesn't answer my question. It's irrelevant to my question, so I'm not wasting my time reading it.
>>69235501
>Superman was always Jesus
He started as Moses and Samson, but later Christian creators made him more Jesus. Still, yeah, it's nothing new or brilliant. Surely many of the four color funnies of Superman did a better more subtle job of the comparison.
>>69237342
I think you knew the answer to your question already.
>>69237184
>trying to pose as mature and superior when he can't even infer simple plot details not explicitly stated or depicted
>>69237385
>yet another dodge
>>69237288
Said the dude that's devolved to the point of desperation of nitpicking hyperbole to avoid having to defend their own argument.
BvS is fucked, and me saying that SUPERMAN HAS ALWAYS BEEN JESUS will not change that. We full fallacy now,kid.
Friendly reminder that critics, who have infinitely more influence and experience than anyone on /tv/, said Batman v Superman is a shitty movie and Civil War is better.
>>69237395
It's not about being able to "infer" things. It's about the films ability to tell a fucking story. Having to "infer" an entire story of unsubstatiated headcanon for the movie to make logical narrative sense isn't a positive trait. We're not talking about what the fucking Eraserhead baby represented, we're talking about why Lex Luthor's plan was poorly executed.
>>69237412
The only argument I've yet made was that Superman wasn't "ALWAYS JESUS," and you're can't even cede that point. Why the fuck would I want to debate or even good-naturedly argue with such a giant asshole?
I just got here. Dial the assumptions back a notch or two.
>more than triple the score on Rotten Tomatoes
>bigger opening weekend
>already within $100m of reaching BvS's total gross
>now even the audiences like it more
I feel bad for BvS at this point desu
>>69237400
Is English not your first language? Cause his post explains it pretty clearly.
>>69237498
Well, at least he dropped the failed Galifianakis meme...
>>69237556
I asked a simple, point blank question: do people honestly think BvS is better than Avengers or CW.
Then someone, presumably you, replied to me with pasta that didn't answer my question.
The fact that you
1) dug out that pasta
2) posted it without answering my question
3) didn't add anything to it, and let the pasta do the talking for you
Says to me you KNOW your contrarian opinion is wrong, since you went on the defensive immediately and let someone else's words do the work for you
>>69237510
>Why the fuck would I want to debate or even good-naturedly argue with such a giant asshole?
Maybe you should have axed that before being a nitpicking cunt.
>I just got here. Dial the assumptions back a notch or two.
Breathe helium until you die.
>>69237593
>literally no rebuttal, the post
>>69237602I'm done with this Mickey Mouse-tier soap opera drama. It doesn't help either that all the fight scenes are edited by a teenager with Tourette's and Parkinson's, it's as if they want to distract the audience from how shoddy everything looks by waving a flashlight on their face. I couldn't give a damn about any of these sterile excuses for characters. During the airport scene all the artificially-inflated conflict devolved into a child playing with one toy in each hand and bashing them together.
It's riddled with sophomoric and shallow pseudo-political ponderings that are thrown out the window when the quiptastic action starts. They completely disregard for the umpteenth time the collateral damage while they're having fun showcasing their flashy abilities.
The third act pretends to get serious when in reality it turns into a cheap heartstring manipulation revolving around "why didn't you tell me Cap waaa".
This part completely disregards the fact that Stark knows all too well that brainwashing and mental manipulation is a thing, let's not forget that he has witnessed it firsthand with Banner. There's no excuse for him to have such a sudden change of heart other than to extend the conflict for another 15 minutes of mindless violence, and leave the manchildren with the impression that they've just witnessed an intricate revenge tragedy.
All smoke and mirrors, the constant quipping is an effective tool to cloud a fanboy's mind and judgement.
Finally, what's left is an entire team of "world-class" heroes that got fooled by a man wearing a Bucky mask. Not to mention that the villain's stale trope was better executed 19 years ago when Scream 2 came out, ironically, a film satirizing this cliché.
If you don't think this is cartoonish and laughable you might be too young to post on this site.
Never again.
>>69237602
That wasn't me, but while OPs post didn't say it outright, it was obviously heavily implied what his answer was. However, since you do seem to prefer the later over the former, it would make sense that you would need things to be explicitly told towards you.
>>69237695
Oh, another pasta. Looks like I win this """""""""""""""""""""""""argument""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""".
>>69237602
Don't forget that the pasta is unambiguously incorrect. It explicitly gets the order of events wrong.
>>69232248
Then watch them proceed to say B-BUT YOU CANT DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S CAPESHIT
IT FOR BABBIES YOU CAN HAVE DEEP NARRATIVES WITH PEOPLE IN TIGHT CLOTHES BECAUSE I SAID SO
>>69237726
BvS is the most braindead comic movie since Batman & Robin. The fact you think it's deep shows your own stupidity.
>>69237531
>already within $100m of reaching BvS's total gross
SFW. Major release for an established series already "underperforming" at the box office, to be perfectly candid, phantom.
Rest assured, if this doesn't even reach Iron Man 3's 1.3 billion take, it'll throw Disney into a blind panic. And that's looking all but impossible, already.
>>69237689
That's OK, Jesus boy. Your rebuttals are nothing to be all that proud of, either.
>>69237747
>thinking being badly edited and poorly executed makes it a "deep narrative."
>>69237689
Why would I rebut an autist who's ability to follow a story is so impaired that if it's not outrightly called out, he terms it "headcanon"?
This is a movie about some funny pages characters, and you act as if it's "No Country For Old Men", for chrissakes...
>>69237752
Oh okay, so it does seem like you lack proper English comprehension. I am pretty sure no one is trying to say that it is a deep movie, only that it is deepER than the usual capeshit fanfare that marvel churns out. I am afraid continuing this discussion with you would be pointless if you really need this much help to understand what is being said.
>>69228095
Why is it called St Michael when that's Archangel Michael?
>>69237646
This is the same gaping asshole that likes to call people out on ad hominem attacks. Fucking priceless.
>>69237834
>no one is trying to say that it is a deep movie
You're delusional. Kill yourself, weeb.
>>69237814
>Why would I rebut an autist who's ability to follow a story is so impaired
Was getting caught part of Lex's plan?
>Why would I rebut an autist who's ability to follow a story is so impaired that if it's not outrightly called out, he terms it "headcanon"?
"Called out" by headcanon.
>This is a movie about some funny pages characters, and you act as if it's "No Country For Old Men"
No. I fucking don't. What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not the one comparing the shit to "Malick and Lynch, kid," much less the goddamn Coens. They're good filmmakers. They keep the surface narratives coherent and the subtext ambiguous. Almost the exact opposite of Snyder.
>>69237981
Nice ad hominem, kid.
>>69237729
Are you literally retarded? Your question was borderline rhetorical in the first place, your autistic pursuit of a "real answer" is just that, autistic.
>Are there really people who have the opinion that movie X is better than movie Y?
Like seriously. You're making a big fuss about not getting a serious reply to such a worthless question that not only has a blatantly obvious answer to anyone with a working brain, but contributes nothing to the actual discussion? You original post was just as much of an empty shitpost as the pastas you got in reply you insufferable faggot.
>>69237799
WB was holding based Snyder back with all the executive meddling. All of the revealed deleted scenes makes the movie make so much more sense.
>>69237238
>>created by two Jewish kids.
How would that relate to anything? As far as they jews are concerned Jesus was just some normie who ran around screaming that he was the son of god.
>>69238076
>Nice ad hominem, kid.
I entered here >>69236635
Your spergfest started here>>69236761
continued here >>69237209
You're a sandy, bleeding twat. Get stuffed, sperglord.
>>69238076
>Nice ad hominem, kid.
>>69238177
And on that note, I bid you adieu, Jesus boy. Do something productive with your time like working on some better shoops. What you're using is flat-out embarrassing,
>>69237209
>SUPERMAN HAS LITERALLY. ALWAYS. BEEN JESUS. GET FUCKED FAGGOT.
>Typing this and then accusing others of having a spectrum disorder
I love this place - it makes me feel like a functional human bean
![1461950708341[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/6ZHA73m.png "1461950708341[1].png")
>Every act is a political act.
Does Superman's funeral remind you of something?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiqrUMvxbbs
>>69238340
> different glasses
> different jacket
> different haircut
> facepaint on half bald head
> xenophobic asshole against immigrants vs pansy idiot protesting against a xenophobic asshole against immigrants
>>69238340
They should have played that 1960s song Hello Darkness My Old Friend.
I'm sure no one has ever been smart enough to have that song at a funeral or other sad scene in a movie.
>>69238340
>The American conscience died with Robert, Martin, and John.
>>69238128
>WB was holding based Snyder back with all the executive meddling
You're lying. He was in charge of the creative direction of the franchise. His enabler wife was the producer. He was personally responsible for every dumb inclusion in the movie. The flash tease was his late-production idea. The JLA tease was his. He had final cut on the movie, which is overwhelmingly apparent from what was kept and what was cut. He kept his 3deep masturbatory imagery and redundant dream sequences and cut critical exposition for time.
>>69238177
I don't give a shit where you started or who you are. You came here to argue and you're doing just that. My "spergefest" was about you nitpicking casual hyperbole to distract from the actual conversation, and you're still doing just that. Nice meta-conversation m8.
>>69238238
>And on that note, I bid you adieu, Jesus boy. Do something productive with your time like working on some better shoops. What you're using is flat-out embarrassing,
Who are you talking to? Actually nevermind nobody gives a shit. I'm sorry that you're incapable of acknowledging that you liked a bad movie. There's no shame in it. It doesn't reflect poorly on you to enjoy schlock, but it makes you a literal crazy person to try and pretend that it isn't just to soothe your problems with cognitive dissonance.
>>69238264
I know I have a spectrum disorder. Takes one to know one, and I'm in appropriate company.
>>69238445
>Who are you talking to? Actually nevermind nobody gives a shit. I'm sorry that you're incapable of acknowledging that you liked a bad movie
I'm sorry. I said I liked it somewhere? I was just calling out an obvious bullshit artist who's not nearly as good as it as he thinks he is. Here's some more hyperbole to go with yours.
>>69238445 was written by the biggest cocksucker who has ever walked the skin of this green earth.
Now that's hyperbole.Or is it, Jesus boy?
>>69238554
Look I know things are different here and it may take some adjusting coming from reddit, but you're fucking anonymous newfriend. I was talking to the "kid" autist. If you're back to back samefagging after jumping into a conversation, it's on you if someone assumes you're 2 different people. You're hear to nitpick semantics. You've done that. You can now fuck off.
>Now that's hyperbole.
I'm glad you know what hyperbole is. This isn't hyperbole: If you die nobody will give a shit, you zero-sum fuck.
>Or is it, Jesus boy?
Did this sound better in your head?
>>69238076
>They keep the surface narratives coherent
Wow, did you ever not see "Tree Of Life" or "Mulholland Drive"...
>>69238924
Talking about Coen brothers m8. Sorry that wasn't clear enough for you.
>>69238340
when was bvs shot?
when was that pic of that kid taken?
>>69233849
>>69234029
underrated
>>69238952
Which is why I mentioned "No Country", where the seeming protagonist dies offscreen, as does his wife.
Or does she? Gosh, they never SHOWED it or SAID it.
>>69239078
>Or does she? Gosh, they never SHOWED it or SAID it.
Ambiguous third acts work considerably better than ambiguous first acts. We don't see Lex learn or earn anything. He just knows everything about all the characters. He just gets access to Zod and the ship with no exposition to explain why, other than a hacky vague quid pro quo quip from an unnamed Senator character. He gets nothing from committing treason and terrorism. Half the movie is him doing things that he doesn't really need to do, and that don't actually advance the plot at all. It's a meandering, redundant, belligerently dumb mess. They didn't "not show" the scene they promised in the trailers where Superman appears before congress in what is implied to be an ideological dramatic stand. They "didn't fucking write" it. They literally blew up the movie to avoid having to write thoughtful, DIRECT, dialogue. He was too lazy to be specific so he just filled the movie with vague shit. THEY LITERALLY KILLED SUPERMAN BECAUSE ZACK DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO WRITE CHARACTER DRAMA TO EXPLAIN WHY BATMAN WOULD BE LEADER OF THE JLA IF SUPERMAN WAS ALIVE. HE KILLED THE PROTAGONIST IN THE SECOND MOVIE BECAUSE HE WAS TOO LAZY TO WRITE A GOOD THIRD MOVIE.
Please stop trying to compare Time Warner's Warner Brothers Productions' Detective Comics Comics' Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice to competent movies, and please stop comparing Zack "I'm known for my ability to copy pictures" Snyder to actual filmmakers.
If BvS was good, then why do the critics hate it? The same critics who like shit movies like The Holy Mountain?
>>69239414
>Ambiguous third acts work considerably better than ambiguous first acts.
Nice backtrack that's bullshit anyway...almost all mystery/detective stories have an ambiguous first act.
>We don't see Lex learn or earn anything. He just knows everything about all the characters.
The data Batman downloaded revealed he'd been watching the metas for years.
>He gets nothing from committing treason and terrorism.
Other than the usual archvillain goals of world conquest? Gee, I guess not...
>They literally blew up the movie to avoid having to write thoughtful, DIRECT, dialogue.
No, they "blew up the movie" to illustrate the level of threat Luthor posed and how evil he was.
And I explained why I keep bringing up more respected filmmakers...because if you can't even stay on top of this movie's plot, you're too fucking pleb to even approach the real giants.
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>>69235581
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>>69240329
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>>69234909
IQ tests on the internet always inflate the scores just so people will feel good and share it. The ones who still manage to do shit don't try to brag, and so you only get 130-people posting.
>>69227738
Lol comic artists suck so bad. Just look at that "breastplate". He's clearly just drawn a naked dude and then coloured it blue. It's even got a nipple.
>>69234603
>>69234675
>>69235794
>>69233097
>>69232322
>>69230803
>>69240329
>>69240382
> I really believe this — and I think it’s obvious — I believe superheroes, they’re our modern myths. They’re our mythology in the modern world, and myth is designed to tell us about ourselves. In the ancient world, a volcano would go off or the stars would fall from the sky, and they would make a myth up around it to help ancient man to sleep at night or understand it, or at least to have a way of dealing with these things that were outside of their control. So, they’d make a story about a god on a mountain or whatever it is. And I think that’s kind of what our superheroes can do for us, they can help us explain our world a little bit.
>>69240062
>almost all mystery/detective stories have an ambiguous first act.
please m8. Why are you debasing yourself like this? The central mystery isn't "ambiguous." It's a fucking mystery. It generally gets solved. And if you actually don't understand the difference between the ambiguity I've repeatedly spelled out about the first act of BvS, and the "ambiguity" of something like the first act of No Country, I'm embarrassed to be speaking to you.
>The data Batman downloaded revealed he'd been watching the metas for years.
Yep. That's not good exposition. That's not well-executed storytelling. It was a lazily added on subplot to tease the JLA. He spends the entire movie bullshitting about space god and then oh yeah he was conveniently spying on all of the future JLA guys. That explains why he knows who Batman is. He just does!
>Other than the usual archvillain goals of world conquest?
He blows up congress with a wheelchair supplied by him, to a person who was recieving payments from him, with a jar of piss and evidence connected to him in the room, for no logical reason and zero personal gain. Risk/Reward. He risked everything to gain nothing. If his goal is "world conquest," he's incompetent and stupid.
>No, they "blew up the movie" to illustrate the level of threat Luthor posed and how evil he was.
Potato potato mate. It's shit no matter what.
>And I explained why I keep bringing up more respected filmmakers
No you've just projected a bunch of shit.
>.because if you can't even stay on top of this movie's plot, you're too fucking pleb to even approach the real giants.
A: Begging the question.
B: I've literally studied the movie. I'm posing loaded questions, I know the exposition presented in the movie and I know the assumed headcanon answers.
C: "The real giants" leave the metaphors ambiguous. Not the shitty narrative writing.
>>69240477
>comic artists
u wot m8?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_Reni
>>69240628
>He just does!
desu most things in movies are like this
there are always givens, and the movie is always a process of drawing inferences based on what is assumed from the beginning
showing a guy's reach selectively like that is not a fault, although talking about how it's done is fair
>>69234032
how does he walk on ice while dragging a ship?
>>69240762
Old Kansas farm-boy trick.
>>69240628
I'm really starting to think this guy's a paid shill...
Shit's explained to him, he uses the most circumlocutious route to pretend it doesn't make sense. Then he says he "studied the movie".
Who the fuck "studies" a movie they hate? I hated Guardians Of The Galaxy, I moved on. Some like it, whatever. Don't care.
>>69240762
same way he can fly.
>>69240842
So why doesn't he just fly?
>>69240800
>hot headz products
>>69240864
see previous long winded jackoff writeup
>>69240865
Unadulterated pottery.
>>69240890
Bravo Zack the hack. Truly a master at imagery
>>69240603
I think that's what people don't seem to get when it comes to MoS and BvS
its not trying to be the next Ironman, its trying to be a modern take on the ancient epics.
>>69231771
Don't forget the classic "one true foreskin of Christ" at one point there were so many churches claiming to have the holy skin that the Vatican stepped in and said the rings of Saturn were in fact Jesus' foreskin.
>>69240760
That's one example to isolate the point. Didn't feel like going into why or how Batman knew what Kryptonite did or would know about it being smuggled in before he figured out that Lex/LEXCORP was involved. Didn't feel like going into how mindless Superman stopping Batman during the convoy attack without checking out what he was even after. Didn't bother going into how Lex knew that the Bat Signal on "fight night" was FROM Batman instead of TO him, or how he knew that it was an open "fuck you" to Superman. Or how Lex expected to not get caught after kidnapping and attempting to murder a reporter, that he expected to get away. Didn't mention the contradictory exposition that establishes at one point that Batman didn't know about the mean letters from Lex until the splosion, when it's later said that by Lex that the mean letters had been happening for 2 years.
>>69240814
>Who the fuck "studies" a movie they hate?
People that want to learn about filmmaking? Lot more can be learned from a disaster than something where everything went well.
And I don't hate BvS. I love it. It's the most intriguing capeshit movie ever produced.
>I hated Guardians Of The Galaxy, I moved on.
k
>>69240762
Jesus powers. Walking on water to save a capsized ship AND cross bearing imagery overpowers Newtonian physics.
>>69241144
you're naming stuff that's addressed in dialogue
even the superman intervention, it happens after he gets the judge jury executioner pictures. he's triggered while also realizing that he's not going to stop him through the press so he decides to stop him as superman
the bat signal's meaning is not hard to infer if you're the guy pushing both parties to fight each other and are generally aware of what they're up to and where they're at mentally
also lex doing shady shit and expecting to get away with it is not a stretch, hell, more and more i've wondered if his actions draw from events that have happened in real life, recently even
and those lines alone aren't contradictory
by no means am i defending the movie either
>>69233843
Sick reference, fampai.
>>69241307
>you're naming stuff that's addressed in dialogue
no I'm not.
>even the superman intervention, it happens after he gets the judge jury executioner pictures
That isn't the issue. The issue is that he was ok with the army of mercs with bazookas and miniguns driving around the city. The problem is the convenience and coincidence of him unknowingly preventing Batman from getting Kryptonite/allowing Lex to have it (and the subsequent lack of consequence when Batman just steals it OC 10 minutes later)
>the bat signal's meaning is not hard to infer if you're the guy pushing both parties to fight each other and are generally aware of what they're up to and where they're at mentally
k.
>also lex doing shady shit and expecting to get away with it is not a stretch
It is when the "shady shit" is fucking retarded and pointless. Why even bother calling him Lex Luthor?
> hell, more and more i've wondered if his actions draw from events that have happened in real life, recently even
I must have missed the news about congress blowing up.
>and those lines alone aren't contradictory
Yeah. "alone." Too bad they aren't alone.
>by no means am i defending the movie either
By essentially all means you are.
Whatever bruh. I've written extensively and in explicit detail about this shit on this board. And I'm too tired and hungover to go into the endless, overwhelming editing and exposition fuckery. Feel free to 4plebs pic related.
>>69241684
yeah and i'm drunk waiting to get sleepy
>That isn't the issue. The issue is that he was ok with the army of mercs with bazookas and miniguns driving around the city. The problem is the convenience and coincidence of him unknowingly preventing Batman from getting Kryptonite/allowing Lex to have it (and the subsequent lack of consequence when Batman just steals it OC 10 minutes later)
from a narrative standpoint, i get that. from within the story, superman just wanted to stop batman. that's all i take it as, and am not bothered by
>It is when the "shady shit" is fucking retarded and pointless. Why even bother calling him Lex Luthor?
using foreign volatile situations, using politicians at home, kidnapping people, threatening journalists, none of this is "retarded"
>I must have missed the news about congress blowing up.
see above, also i don't remember if the guy wanted to blow himself up or if luthor used him, which would make it a false flag
>Yeah. "alone." Too bad they aren't alone.
and nothing in the movie explicitly contradicts them
>By essentially all means you are.
establishing logistics within a movie is not the same as defending a movie, i'm not arguing its merit or message or how and why its using its components
>>69235649
>Chekov's gun is that you establish that there is a gun in the first act.
No it isn't you fucking idiot. It's a dramatic principle that states that if you establish a gun in the first chapter it must be used in the subsequent story or its an extraneous detail tha should never have been established int he first place.
>If you follow one ambiguous shot or sequence with an explicit shot or sequence, the audience forms a logical understanding of the intention.
The Kuleshov effect doesn't work for extended sequences you moron.
>>69241684
>It is when the "shady shit" is fucking retarded and pointless. Why even bother calling him Lex Luthor?
>>69241945
>using foreign volatile situations, using politicians at home, kidnapping people, threatening journalists, none of this is "retarded"
That is what wealthy and powerful men have been doing since the dawn of time. Sometimes for no other reason than that they could.
>>69236766
Cinema today is being made to different standards. A few decades ago, people were still looking to superheroes as examples of good behavior, or someone with great power using it to help others selflessly. Recently people are more cynical and also media-saturated. Studios figure heroes have to be dark and gritty and conflicted, otherwise the audience can't even begin to relate. Basically, they've dropped the assumption that the audience holds traditional American values. I'm not sure they're not right.
>>69237955
In Catholicism, any occupant of Heaven can be prayed to as a saint, which is asking them to use their access to God to ask for favors for you. All the named angels are considered saints.
>>69227958
So you're saying autists like this movie?
