We all agree Aliens > Alien right? It has better developed characters and a more interesting plot for one thing.
Anyone who calls the first Alien smarter as well is just fooling themselves, it's a generic horror and not that great at all.
Can we quit this pissing contest about Alien/Aliens and just admit that they are perfect sci-fi/horror and sci-fi/action films respectively?
alien had better tone, aliens had better everything else
>>69207481
I love both. I don't know why it has to be a contest
calling Alien generic horror renders any argument you might have had invalid. inb4 hurr just a slasher in space. no, that was only the second half. as a whole the movie was wildly creative and nothing like it has been made since
>>69208474
This pretty much.
Alien nails the atmosphere and suspense to a T. Aliens is a better action movie absolutely and is just generally more fun. Both satisfying movies but for different reasons.
>>69207481
the Xenomorph in Alien is an unstoppable killing machine.
the Xenomorphs in Aliens are "2 Bullets and they're dead" video game memes.
Aliens a shit
apples and oranges
>>69208506
Yeah man they've never made a movie in space.
>>69208506
Prometheus is the same movie.
>>69207481
Ripley becomes a Mary Sue in Aliens
>>69208227
Yes
They are two different movies for me
>>69208726
Herp derp
>Just watched Resurrection for the first time
Fucking quips, man.
It's not poor Joss's fault though because he said they did everything bad. They read his lines about how Weyland Yutani was bought out by Wal-Mart all wrong.
>>69208675
>>69208701
just being in space obviously wasn't what I was talking about and Prometheus is an example of a movie trying to be Alien and failing.
these were the most inane responses possible, good job
>>69208227
Yes.
Ripley was a frightened Warrant Officer in Alien.
In Aliens she somehow became Rambo just by picking up a gun.
>>69207481
The only better developed character in Aliens is Ripley, and that's because she already had the groundwork laid out in the first film - and her character was entirely changed for the second movie.
The rest of the characters were just standard archetypes.
I'll give you that the plot was more interesting. I think that Scott did with Alien what Cameron ironically did decades later with Avatar - he found a new way to tell a very unoriginal story. Alien is basically just a sci-fi skin slapped over a horror template, but it's about the technical skill and artistic proficiency with which he tells the story.
Aliens is a very basic story (though still more of a story than Alien) with basic characters and Cameron's trademark shitty understanding of what makes a strong female character. Ripley in Alien was a badass originally written as a man and then played solidly by a woman. Ripley in Aliens is muh mother figure, and literally (actually literally, not /tv/ literally) all of her heroics stem from a maternal instinct to save her Newt, her surrogate daughter.
Also, the music was better in Alien. And the Alien was meant to be this unstoppable force of nature, a perfect organism. In Aliens they just fucking run in swarms towards turrets and get mown down in droves. And then the Alien Queen was retarded, another attempt of Cameron trying to give the good mother an antagonist in the bad mother.
If Aliens was the only Alien movie, it'd be great. And it's a great movie. But it's a really, really shitty sequel. It destroys the mystery and terror of this unstoppable entity and begins the franchise's slow decline, which it has never recovered from.
Aliens is for teenagers who like shit to go pew pew kaboom a lot. Alien is for adults.
>>69208617
Terminator 2 is a much better "unstoppable killing machine" movie than Alien.
>>69207481
Aliens is overrated as fuck. Nothing in it makes any sense at all and it's hailed as "the best action movie of all time." Fucking hilarious.
Can we get a "don't need no man" general?
Ripley is cool and all but Alien 3 and beyond really captured the strong independent archetype.
I mean that scene where she shuts off bishop decapitated head and leaves him in the dumpster after she got what she needed.. that defines the essence of what it's all about
>>69208227
I agree. Both are excellent, whichever you prefer is personal preference.
>>69208880
>Alien is basically just a sci-fi skin slapped over a horror template, but it's about the technical skill and artistic proficiency with which he tells the story.
I agree. The bare bones of it is a slasher film in space, yet it manages to make that interesting, which is a real feat. The way it makes all the technology and characters feel very grounded is one aspect I really like, everything is set up to be ordinary and routine.
>>69208880
>he found a new way to tell a very unoriginal story. Alien is basically just a sci-fi skin slapped over a horror template, but it's about the technical skill and artistic proficiency with which he tells the story.
i don't understand why people say this like it's ever an insightful observation. it applies to most movies, including great movies. some great movies barely even have plots at all. film-making is an audio-visual craft and is too short a form for the kind of complex storytelling you get in novels
>>69208510
Why does this xenomorph have a human skull?
>>69207481
When are people going to learn it's apples and oranges?
It's fascinating how different the four movies are. I just started laughing when I realized the tone of resurrection.
>>69209220
>i don't understand why people say this like it's ever an insightful observation
Did you read the OP? He said that the first film had a less interesting plot, so I explained why that didn't make it an inferior movie. You seem to be arguing the same point as me, not really sure what I said that you're disagreeing with.
>>69209300
Do you not prefer either apples or oranges? I know I prefer apples.
In fact, I'd argue the more different two items are, the easier to determine which you prefer.
>>69209300
>apples come in red and green and tend to bruise easily and aren't very juicy as opposed to oranges that are juicy only coloured orange and have a thick skin.
Why not compare apples and oranges?
>>69207481
>We all agree Aliens > Alien right?
>implying opinions haven't always been split down the middle
>>69209389
This. And its Alien for me...by a landslide
>>69207481
Honestly I find Aliens to be cringry as fuck. It's so god damn corny.
Alien feels like an insanely well done indy film.
>>69207481
I liked it because Space marines got rekt. Some dangerous bugs.
The first movie was a bunch of unarmed scientist.
>tfw I'm a die-hard alien fanboy
>tfw I like all movies in some way
>even AvP
>tfw everyone is only allowed to like 1 thing in this board and its black/white
If you guys are going to fight about which one is better by shitting on the other. You arent fans.
>>69208227
Only if you dump more rare ripleys
>>69210250
Got you fämäläm
>>69208474
The special effects in Aliens haven't aged well.
>>69207481
Reminder: If you like aliens more you like action more than horror which is inherently pleb
The first half of Alien is pretty comfy
>>69208929
The Terminator >>>>>>> T2
>>69207481
>We all agree Aliens > Alien right?
It's official
>>69208617
Their portray in Aliens was fine. It's just that Cameron had most of the expendable characters killed in the first fight. The comics and video games were the ones that ran with the idea of badass unstoppable marines.
>>69207481
>We
can you fuck off with this "sekret club" bullshit
Me and everyone I know prefers the first Alien
>>69208726
>Ripley
>Mary Sue
Oh give it a break
>>69212700
truly a patrician source with expert taste in fine cinema
We can all agree that the best versions for each movie are
Alien - Theatrical
Aliens - Special Edition
right?
>>69213160
The Aliens special edition depicts the colonist life before they got wiped out, which I think is a mistake.
I even remember the changes in Alien. However, the director's cut of Alien is actually sligthly shorter, right?
>>69207481
>We all agree Aliens > Alien right?
no
we all agree OP is a fag
>>69213306
I don't even remember*
oops
>>69213306
The only flaw in the Special Edition is the colonist life stuff. Everything else is golden. It certainly makes Ripley a more compelling character.
>>69213306
Yeah, it adds back a scene where Dallas is cocooned and has some different dialogue scenes.pretty disappointing that Ridley didnt add the sex scene back in desu
>>69213066
>6.8
>6.7
Learn how RT works please
>>69207481
>DUDE SPACE BUGS LMAO > Alien
no
>>69212965
>Me and everyone I know
So.... just you.
I rewatched Aliens and it really bothered me how they could mow down a dozen of them with turrets and not melt a hole right down through the hull of the ship. A single drop of facehugger blood was supposed to penetrate several layers of steel and somehow that stops being a concern.
Both movies are dope though.
>>69212632
>mfw i say this in real life and people call me a tryhard and a contrarian
>>69213562
Difference is that the Nostromo was in space, the colony is on a planet. A hole in your ship is a much bigger problem
>>69213306
Eh, I like the colonist sequence, it was nice to see the derelict again. I can see why some don't like it thought.
Correct, the Alien directors cut is shorter.
Personally, my preferred version of Alien would be the fanedit "Alien: The Hybrid Cut", but it was made back in like 2007 so it isn't in HD and I can't seem to find it anywhere. It combines the Theatrical with the Directors cut, adding ~9 minutes to the Theatrical.
Here's a list of the changes/additions/alterations:
>Restores 1979 Fox Fanfare
>Alien transmission scene, but using the sound fx from the original deleted scene not the Director's Cut
>Kane holding a gun while examining the egg
>The rest of the crew watching Kane being examined from the corridor and Ripley fighting with Lambert
>Ash examining Kane's x-rays as the crew members return
>Extended the scene with Parker and Brett working, with part of the alternate deleted scene with Ripley, a second's worth of Theatrical cut footage was removed here to smooth the transition
>Parker and Ripley arriving after Brett has been taken by the Alien
>Ripley asking Lambert if she slept with Ash
>The infamous cocoon sequence, which has been moved to before Ripley sets of the self-destruct
>>69213066
The Hobbit was shit dude what are you proving here?
>>69208617
In Alien it was unstoppable because they didn't have fucking guns you retard.
A Lion's an unstoppable killing machine, too, until you shoot it in the face with .45-70 or dump a truckload of any other kind of ammunition into it.
>>69207481
>Anyone who calls the first Alien smarter as well is just fooling themselves, it's a generic horror and not that great at all.
About as retarded as calling Aliens a generic action movie.
>>69213738
>Ripley asking if Lambert slept with Ash
Poor Ash
>>69208766
>They are two different movies for me
>>69208510
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LkiilI7sEw
Alien is more of a psychological thriller. Aliens is more of a horror action movie.
They're both equal in their genres.
Time to get comfy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYJXaEN8F4Q
>>69216602
Somewhere, some guy has this thing in his garage.
>>69209018
Lol wut
Bishop was fucked up.
Daisy ridley could play an alien /human hybrid.
>>69216769
How would they apply the human makeup?
>>69216602
Sigourney rubber doll + xenomorph suit + durex tingle + Holst's Mars on repeat
>>69208803
I would fuck the shit out of Sigourney.
>>69214696
Exactly, they had homemade flamethrowers in Alien and they weren't trained Marines. They were pleb space engineers
>>69214696
>.45-70
General Custer vs Xenomorph when?
>>69218141
If Hicks gets to hunt Xeno's with an Ithaca pump, someone needs to up the ante and hunt some with a levergun.
>>69213409
>implying that those scores aren't way to high for those two turd movies
>>69209300
Oranges are way better than apples, you fucking faggot.
Go eat your pleb apples elsewhere.
>>69207481
It's a stupid argument but neither one is completely what it is and should be without the other. Ripley's development extends across both of them, as does the character and depth of Weylan(d)-Yutani's regard for the xenomorph species.
>>69208227
Yup. Also yeah I fapped like crazy to that scene.
>>69218447
>It's a stupid argument but
meant to say "because"
>>69209282
because it's scary, and because the aliens in the first one drew genetic material from humans first and foremost
>>69218635
Truly the waifu of patricians
bamp
best resurrection scene
>>69221403
>>69221403
Who is this?
>>69221403
damn son
>>69221403
one of the best parts of the movie t.b.h f.a.m
>>69207481
The only retard here is you.
>>69212418
Aliens effects still look great. Certainly compared to 1 they do.
>>69207481
I like movies
>>69208726
not so much a mary sue but more a totally different character
It's cool that Alien threads are always so good, even if the OP is a passive agressive shitpost
Prometheus threads suck tho
>thread hasn't devolved into Sigourney worship yet
disappointed desu familia
>>69223728
>it's a mom finds your rare Siggies folder episode
>>69208870
>In Aliens she somehow became Rambo
I think you've let the video games take over your memory of what actually happens in the movie.
>>69208880
>Alien was meant to be this unstoppable force of nature
>muh perfect organism
It's one fucking line from a robot that doesn't even make sense in the context of the movie since nothing about it was "unstoppable" and in fact it WAS stopped in that very film.
>in Aliens they just fucking run in swarms towards turrets
>referencing the director's cut
Probably because you're a pleb who doesn't even know that was a cut scene because you hadn't seen the movie before asking /tv/ for its shitty suggestions.
>>69223992
The "Special Edition" of Aliens is the original cut. Fox made Cameron cut out 16 minutes of film simply to show the movie more times per day.
Aliens: SE is the best version of the film.
>>69208510
>my feet hurt
>this ship is so cold
>tfw no alien gf
>I bet no-one else here is a silicon based life form
>>69224352
That's complete bullshit you pulled out of your ass, and it directly contradicts Cameron's own commentary on the special edition.
The only cut scene he was in favor of was the one about Ripley's dead daughter.
>>69207481
Alien > Aliens by a mile
I was actually disappointed when I saw Aliens. I guess I was expecting Alien 2 but it really wasn't. It's not a bad movie or anything it's just not nearly as good imo
>>69224525
>>69224525
> and it directly contradicts Cameron's own commentary on the special edition.
No it doesn't. He's said numerous times that the Special Edition is his intended cut.
>“This is Jim Cameron. What you’re about to watch is the special edition of Aliens. I actually prefer this version to the released version, because, as it’s been best described by one of my friends, it’s 40 miles of bad road. I think it’s a longer, more intense and more suspenseful version of the film. The conventional wisdom then was: don’t make the film too long. But at two hours and 37 minutes, this is the ride that we intended you to take. So, enjoy it.”
>Source: Aliens Special Edition into on the Alien Quadrilogy DVD set
It's stated on the commentary for the Special Edition that Fox made him cut the footage
>These scenes had been deleted from the original theatrical release as 20th Century Fox representatives thought the film was showing "too much nothing" and spent an unnecessary amount of time building suspense.[12]
Sigourney was the one mad about Ripley's daughter plot being cut.
>>69224972
I own the quadrilogy and this is the exact opposite of what I remember him saying
I remember his specifically saying it was a good idea to cut the scenes with Newt's family, for example, because it showed the colony too early instead of keeping the mystery of "what happened here?" when they find it as a ghost town
confronted with this evidence however I admit my memory must be flawed
>>69209018
I unironically love Alien 3 and I like it more than Aliens, even though I recognize that Aliens is a slightly better movie. Fell off pretty fuckin hard after 3
>>69224972
I don't care what Cameron says, the director's cut is balls
literally every single added scene makes the movie worse by fucking up the pacing or some other issue
>>69225129
I saw the Director's Cut first, and when I went back and watched the regular cut, it seemed too rushed
>>69225129
The Special Edition pacing is fine. The o py scene thst doesn't really need to be there is the early scene with the colony and Newt's family.
>>69208510
Did that one burst out of a slav?
>>69225231
>o py
Only
>>69225231
The sentry guns scene is stupid, makes the aliens look retarded, and you can tell it wasn't finished because it just cuts to closeups of random aliens exploding and re-uses alien death footage from earlier in the movie.
>/tv/ cant handle that fact that Aliens is better than Alien
Game over, man
>>69225276
No it doesn't. The Queen was sending disposable drones there to wear out their minimal defense. It didn't make them look retarded at all.
It was finished, just because it was close-ups don't mean it wasn't.
God you're dumb.
>>69225276
That's why it was cut. Although it was a good way to show the Aliens attempts to break in before they found they could get in through the vents.
One thing that always bugged me, is why dos the chest bruster cheat its way through the toughest bone in the human body, when it can just move down a half of foot and avoid the rib cage entirely? Also more than having a giant hole in your chest, would it be theoretically possible to survive the experience since from what I see, just eats it way out of you, and doesn't go after any of your organs.
Also, how does it manage to ram through someone's sternum? If it can get through that, breaking through a shirt should be easy, but it takes 2-3 pushes to do that.
>>69225276
>>69225377
I wish the aliens were retarded. Ipersonallydon't like the idea of them being smart enough to cut power to the facility. I like them better as unpredictable creepy black cockroaches, crawling in the ventilation shafts making a hive out of human bodies. Behaving like an hostile animal striking out at intruders wandering too close to it.
>>69225098
>confronted with this evidence however I admit my memory must be flawed
It is, I'm afraid. He definitely said the SE is the definitive version. Shit, it's been months since I've popped that in and I distinctly remember him saying that. Sigourney Weaver felt exactly the same.
>>69224781
There is no better film made than Aliums, ever. That includes the suspense driven horror of the original.
Certainly no adult rated action film can compete with Aliums' combination of horror atmosphere, great developing characters, recitable dialogue, battle scenes, iconic styles and scenes.
>>69225098
You might be getting it confused with Alien, where Ridley Scott has said the theatrical cut IS the preferred "director's cut" and the added scenes are just bonuses for fans.
>>69207481
They're different flavors of pie. You can't compare them.
......Aliens 2 was better btw.
Having quite recently rewatched the Aliens SE, Cameron does indeed say that it is the version he considers the correct one to watch. In the commentary he goes on how he meant for all the footage to be in the theatrical version, but Fox execs told him that he spent too much time building up, and that the movie was too long.
>>69223878
dump ur folder fäm
Personally, the opening scene with the colony being cut would only make sense if you haven't seen Alien and don't know what they look like or how they operate.
Since you already know it's the Aliens, any tension should already be gone more than 'when are they going to run into them?
>>69226132
>>69225129
>>69224972
>>69224352
Aatleast we can all agree that Jim Cams directors cut of T2 is great.
And the directors cut of The Abyss was not.
>>69207481
I enjoyed Alien a lot more because I enjoy its genre a lot more. Also, it definitely has a lot more going on subtextually, and double meanings are everywhere.
Aliens is just a really well done action film, but it isnt really thought provoking is it?
>>69227674
the abyss is shit however you put it
>>69207481
They're both great films, but Alien is the better one in my book. The characters feel more like real people in Alien and the atmosphere and pacing were much better.
>Anyone who calls the first Alien smarter as well is just fooling themselves, it's a generic horror and not that great at all.
No
https://mega.nz/#!uJtCUCrQ!1hoQdNfjylRnpzL1l9Fa-H3fvUqhmsFEkRvYPZL58BY
Aliens Directors commentary.
Its like having Jim in your home.
>>69212700
>average rating 9/10 for both films
So its officially a tie.
>>69228003
nice virus m8
>>69228003
Thanks friend, is it for the theatrical cut or the special edition?
>>69213306
The colony life may have been a mistake but the extra scenes with the sentry guns are iconic and necessary scenes for me.
>>69213801
And it still got a higher rating than Avengers 2, which may not have been great, but it was definitely better than Hobbit 2.
>>69207481
I fucking hate Aliens so much, why it has so many fans I'll never understand. Shit story, shit characters, shit directing, shit everything
>>69228218
Because plebs eat that shit right up.
>>69228089
Special edition. It looks like it's the full audio. But I'm using a Mac, so my computer basically laughs at any attempts to install mal or spyware.
>>69228422
>But I'm using a Mac, so my computer basically laughs at any attempts to install mal or spyware
>being this retarded
>>69228520
Wake me when people create viruses that work cross platform. It'll mean the person who created it gives us more attention than most other developers.
>>69228594
>shifting goalposts like a champ
Nice going, iFag.
>>69214696
>>69208617
Plus, even if you manage to shoot one, its going to bleed acid everywhere.
>>69228650
>shifting goalposts
When I still don't have any viruses on my computer
>Hurr, they're just hidden
There are only a handful of folders that they be placed in the library section unless they are extremely blatant and create their own folder in the library.
Deal with it.
>Aliens being unstoppable killing machines
The script had to disarm the marines of their magazines for them to lose against those overrated cockroaches.
>>69228995
You don't even know what goalpost shifting means, jesus christ. Fucking neck yourself.
>>69229065
Nah, I'll just laugh at you from my superior hardware and software that doesn't get viruses.
>>69229056
Was the flamethrower ever effective against aliens? Only saw them burn the eggs.
>>69223992
>It's one fucking line
>in fact it WAS stopped in that very film.
It's one fucking line that's supported by the rest of the film. It was "stopped" by being blown out into space (and that didn't even kill it, though it would presumably soon). I'm not saying the Alien is literally invincible, just that it's this sinister force of nature.
>>69223992
>Probably because you're a pleb who doesn't even know that was a cut scene
That's actually a fair point, I didn't know that.
>you hadn't seen the movie before asking /tv/ for its shitty suggestions.
Now you're just being retarded. Everyone 12 or older has seen Aliens.
>>69207481
Alien is a great suspense/horror movie set in space
Aliens is a great action film set in space
>>69229126
>superior hardware and software
Ignorance really is bliss, isn't it?
>>69229179
When I don't have to deal with viruses, I don't need to be ignorant to be blissful.
>>69229126
It wasn't a proper napalm flamethrower, One that covers them in sticky flammable liquid they can't remove. It appeared to be a make-shift one, that just produced a burst of flame, which wouldn't do much to the alien exoskeleton.The aliens have an exoskeleton, right?
The flamethrower probably had more of a psychological effect on them.
>>69229135
THIS
They are both 10/10s but for different reasons.
>>69229517
>They are both 10/10s
>it's a /tv/ hands out 0/10 and/or 10/10 ratings willy-nilly episode
Fuck this discussion crap, post rare ripleys
>>69229056
But many of them didn't give up most of their ammo, and it didn't matter anyway because they were getting poached in the dark and most of them wound up shooting at nothing. They got their asses kicked in that first battle either way.
>>69229734
>that bush
>>69213066
>audience average rating: 4.1/5
>audience average rating: 4.1/5
this is the real lesson here
Sigourney got the most disapointing tit
Neve Campbell-tier
Aliens > Alien for pure entertainment value
Alien > Aliens from a filmcraft and intellectual perspective.
It depends which you are looking for. One if great movie that is entertaining. One is a very good movie that is insanely entertaining.
>>69208474
True dat true dat
>>69207481
i really like the pacing in Alien, also the detail it has, I think is better than Aliens
>>69230298
Did we ever get to see Neve Cambell's tits when she was young? I thought the first time she showed them she was like 30.
>>69209337
Most inconsistent series ever?
Other than Alien, Aliens:SE, Prometheus and Alien Isolation, what are some other essential things j. The Alien franchise. Currently making a recommendation chart
>>69231211
The Alien comic that featured Hicks and Newt before it had to be retconned because of 3.
>>69231211
>prometheus
>essential
u wot
>>69225658
but thats the thing, in Alien the xeno felt otherworldly it's behavior wasn't attributable to many things on Earth. It wasn't smart enough to cut power but it was smart enough to outwit the crew and sneak aboard the escape pod
>>69228793
and that nearly kills one of the marines
>>69208617
This.
People assume xenomorphs to be angry hive mind ants since aliens. Prior to that film however, the beauty was in the mystique of the creature. Alien will always be superior because it forced the viewer to imagine.
I like aliens but it attempted to fill in the blanks and destroyed the mystique.
>>69231435
>nearly
>>69230489
the "filmcraft and intellectual" parts are entertaining if you're not a pleb.
>>69207481
Completely different films
Both are better than the other in their respective genre
>>69231525
>forced the viewer to imagine
subtle
Alien is my ultimate comfy movie. A few months ago I watched it every night for two weeks straight. It's beautiful. Pure horror. The story is perfect, the cinematography is perfect, the angles are perfect, the special effects are perfect, the atmosphere/tone are perfect. The first half is a slow, beautiful buildup of suspense, discovery, etc and the second half is complete chaos. Its pacing is brilliant, and its two halves run at completely different tempos. Perfect movie.
Aliens is a good movie too but aside from being a completely different genre it also nullifies the beauty and the mystery of it all. I think it's only preferable for people who wanted Alien to just "get to the action" or whatever.
Here's the chart so far
I think Alien is a more impressive feat in filmmaking. However, I find them equally entertaining.
>you will never be a space marine
One thing I like about Alien was how it portrayed space travel not as a marvelous frontier, but as a gritty, blue collar job. Not a once in a lifetime job that few are lucky enough to partake in, but a job that somebody HAS to do. I've always thought that was an interesting aspect of the movie that often gets overlooked.
>>69225511
>strongest bone
the femur would like to have a word with you
also it's sci-fi physics
>>69222324
Not really.
alien was a masterpiece. aliens must have been hype during its time but watching both recently, aliens with its horrible 80s cliches was so cringy.
>>69222324
Alien had better effects than Aliens and it's seven years older.
>>69207481
they are both amazing
>>69233191
>sigourney will never sit her full bush on your face screaming
>eat my facehugger!
>eat it!
>>69228071
>98%
>97%
>"It's a tie"
>>69233749
Fuck off. That looks great. You're telling me, even knowing it's a prop, you would stick your hand in it without feeling just a little uncomfortable?
>>69233749
what am I supposed to be disliking here
>>69233831
I think the alien head looked better in 1 on the close-ups because it was a cooler design, and that the sets in 1 are awesome, but I don't see how anyone can say 1 has superior creature effects. The egg, facehugger, chestburster, and ayylmao in the vents all looked more fake. Really the only time the alien looks great in 1 is in the close-ups which is fine because that's like 90% of all the shots, but of all the things to criticize 2 for, that seems very silly
>>69233996
I'm not criticizing 2 for having bad effects, I'm saying 1 managed to have better ones despite being older. 2 had excellent effects especially for its time.
In 2 sometimes the aliens looked very strange hopping around, exploding and whatnot. That scene with Vasquez in the vent. In 1 it looked fantastic every time it was shown. Besides, SFX doesn't exclusively refer to the creature itself. It's everything and how well the environment immerses the audience into its realm. I think 1 does it better in pretty much every way.
>>69225511
>sternum
>hardest bone
While I agree with your point, you need to get your facts straight.
>>69233191
>ywn be punished Hicks in the universe where Alien 3 never happened
>ywn settle into comfy space innawoods cabin with Ripley and have sweaty PTSD relief sex every night
>>69233883
>>69233903
It looks cheap compared to the original and even the eggs in the sequels.
>>69207481
While I love them both, and give both films an 8/10, I have always loved Aliens more.
Does anyone else think the queen is saying "hello" over and over again.
>>69233996
The only creature effects that hold up well in Aliens are the queen alien and maybe the facehuggers.
The rest looks rushed and clunky compared to the first movie.
>>69235241
They both look just fine, not sure what you're talking about.
>>69235860
I love how you name things that DONT look "rushed and clunky" but don't give and show any examples of things you think do.
>>69236000
Did you not notice the Muppet chestburster and the pizza petal egg?
>>69207481
We've been through this. We've been through this a hundred times.
Alien is one of the best horror movies ever made.
Aliens is one of the best action movies ever made.
>>69235241
>>69236000
I prefer how the egg opens in the first movie instead of the "peel back" in the second, but the first movie's egg unquestionably looks more fake and plasticy, especially when he's shining the light through it to see the motion inside.
>>69235860
Chestburster looks fake as fuck in Alien 1 and the scene where the alien pops out to hug Dallas in the air vent also looks pretty silly. Also, that weird pose the alien is doing right before Ripley opens the airlock. Also, how goofy the alien looks banging around the ship on the end of the speargun tether.
I'm just not seeing how you would say Alien is less "clunky" than Aliens instead more. This has nothing to do with being the better movie BTW
