Wow so I just saw this and gotta say I was really impressed with it not being a full on quip movie, but rather it had some really good dark dramatic intense scenes.
The shot when Iron Man's parents are killed, I was surprised Disney allowing showing an older man's face being bashed multiple times, and the body count of enemies caused by the Avengers throughout, it was pretty brutal.
RDJ like always is one of the best dramatic actors and I wish he would do thrillers or something instead of just sticking to cape flicks.
I had heaps of doubts about new spiderman but now I am hooked on Holland and can't wait for his solo film.
They should have followed the comics and killed off Caps but I guess they will do that in Infinite War Part 2 or something.
Would be awesome to see an R Rated cut like Snyder is doing for BvS but I doubt we will get that.
>>69192769
The only thing I didn't like was how Tony acted like a moody bitch. It was like his character couldn't cope with the darkness of the film and instead of manning up and dealing with it like Cap he just gets all but-hurt and emotional. Didn't really fit with Tony's character in my opinion. He should've been more angry, less cunty.
>>69192861
Well its his parents we are dealing about.
>>69192904
Even before he found out Bucky killed them.
I actually thought that the way he acted after that was fine, but right from the beginning of the film he was being a little bitch. Its like he cant be serious, without overdoing it and coming across as just an asshole.
>>69192861
Eh no one ever acted in character in the Civil War comic so I don't know why you expected the movie versions to.
Also did anyone else feel like that parents thing was really fucking tacked on? I always got the vibe that Iron Man was a huge asshole by giving him a tangible reason to hate Cap and Bucky it made him too much of the hero character. Also isn't Cap supposed to die?
>>69193018
Yes Cap was meant to idk why they didnt.
>>69193018
>>69193075
They haven't been doing everything according to the comics for all the movies so far, and its a good thing. A lot of the righting in the comics is downright awful.
Also I thought that both Tony and Cap come off equally as heroes, which is exactly how it should be.
>>69193149
I was pissed at Caps for defending Bucky even tho Bucky was brainwashed when he killed.. I mean I am pissed he did not tell Tony the truth.
>>69192769
You're so brainwashed by Disney. You're literally content with mediocrity. It's so sad. You're being fed garbage and you don't even realize it.
>antman and spidey, the best characters in the movie, get a max screen time of 30 minutes
I'm done with this Mickey Mouse-tier soap opera drama. It doesn't help either that all the fight scenes are edited by a teenager with Tourette's and Parkinson's, it's as if they want to distract the audience from how shoddy everything looks by waving a flashlight on their face. I couldn't give a damn about any of these sterile excuses for characters. During the airport scene all the artificially-inflated conflict devolved into a child playing with one toy in each hand and bashing them together.
It's riddled with sophomoric and shallow pseudo-political ponderings that are thrown out the window when the quiptastic action starts. They completely disregard for the umpteenth time the collateral damage while they're having fun showcasing their flashy abilities.
The third act pretends to get serious when in reality it turns into a cheap heartstring manipulation revolving around "why didn't you tell me Cap waaa".
This part completely disregards the fact that Stark knows all too well that brainwashing and mental manipulation is a thing, let's not forget that he has witnessed it firsthand with Banner. There's no excuse for him to have such a sudden change of heart other than to extend the conflict for another 15 minutes of mindless violence, and leave the manchildren with the impression that they've just witnessed an intricate revenge tragedy.
All smoke and mirrors, the constant quipping is an effective tool to cloud a fanboy's mind and judgement.
Finally, what's left is an entire team of "world-class" heroes that got fooled by a man wearing a Bucky mask. Not to mention that the villain's stale trope was better executed 19 years ago when Scream 2 came out, ironically, a film satirizing this cliché.
If you don't think this is cartoonish and laughable you might be too young to post on this site.
Never again.
>>69192769
the franchise is going to start to slowly move towards more dark more dramatic and more intense non PG 13 material.
seems like Marvel wants to bring in a much bigger crowd into the show and actually but there superhero franchise on a GOAT pedestal. you can expect this shit to go deeper and maybe in the future marvel will even show Nudity. they practically control the Comic Book Race and the superhero franchise, they have noone to contend with
>>69193075
Because the First Avenger needs to be there for the grand finale of the entire franchise? If they killed him off in this, there would have to be some whole bullshit comic magic that would bring him back for Infinity Wars, and no one wants to deal with that. I am happy they didn't kill anyone just for the added drama.
>>69193469
I'm curious. What aspects of the movie would you change to improve it?
Discuss minor things you enjoyed
>Big bold text for years and locations
>Smooth room-to-room transition when Bucky escapes his cell
>Some lines from the trailer were changed, most of them had a more serious tone in the movie
Other than that, the first thing that really stood out to me was how much better this movie handled the whole superhero overseeing theme in comparison to BvS.
>>69193715
I liked the Tony Stark younger-self cgi gag. Completely fooled me and was extremely clever.
I liked how they made Bucky as winter soldier much more powerful than Bucky as himself
I liked how they *just* started to show flaw in vision's character, which made me very intrigued
I liked that scar jo choses caps team in the end. It never made sense for her to be on Iron Man's imo
>>69193541
What would you have preferred?
>>69193912
This is copypasta. Don't bother.
>>69192904
And he is a grown ass adult with years of experience in the corporate boardroom and fighting aliens, not his character from Less Than Zero.
So is the Black Panther film going to be an origin story, or is it going to pick up where this left off, with an assault on his Panther base with him now on Cap's team?
Or both, somehow?
>>69193541
>$0.10 has been added to your account -Courtesy of DC: Damage Control
>>69192861
Tony's always been a bit of a moody bitch. He is an alcoholic billionaire playboy who constantly mouthed off to other people about how smart he was. In some of the films, he'll say things that cut pretty deep, or downright cunty.
People saying it was out of character are crazy.
I mean Tony Stark is an alcoholic druggie with ego problems and nervous breakdowns being playing by Robert Downey Jr, a recovering alcoholic druggie with ego problems and nervous breakdowns.
If anything him snapping was more in character than the rest of his actions.
Anyone remember when he nearly killed the guests at his party in IM2, because he got drunk while still wearing the suit?
Anyone remember his nervous breakdown in IM3?
Dude just saw his mother and father killed by a guy standing right next to him, and it wasn't some out of camera shot either, Bucky beat his dad's head in and choked his mom to death.
>>69193075
Too much of a risk. Whether you want to admit it or not, it's clear Disney likes it's cookie cutter movies with very low risks. Their years of experience definitely has resulted in a personal "formula" they use in order to achieve maximum hype for a movie, regardless of the movie. Look at Star Wars, and how they played it extremely safe. The only reason Han Solo died was because they wanted to prove they were serious, but I doubt they'll do something like kill Luke in the next movie. Same thing here. It's safer to not kill off characters, and stick to the safe and proven "formula".
>>69194018
I'd reckon that they give some origin for the first Black Panther and kind of set up how the mantle is passed down. Besides that, it will probably pick off where it left off. I don't think Cap will be involved though. He likely leaves Wakanda after dropping off Bucky.
>>69192769
RDJ did some lawyer drama shit a few years ago, it was okay.
>>69194082
Exactly. Tony is by far the most emotionally vulnerable and unstable out of all of the Avengers, besides maybe Wanda.
>>69194082
I can understand his feelings after seeing the tape of his parents getting killed. And yea, he has always been moody since IM2 and increasingly in AoU, BUT, what I would disagree with is the execution.
He sounds like a mom arguing with a child, or with an annoying coworker. It's just the way his lines are written, and how the director got him to say them. I have no problem with moody Stark, but he just sounded whiny and in all honesty very feminine for some reason. And I am talking about even before he sees the tape of Bucky.
It was my favorite marvel movie in this universe. Loved the amount of character development, the limited (but actually funny) quips, and the new spidey. Also I was completely on captains side in the comics, but I couldn't decide this movie. Both had solid points.
how the fuck can black panther run so fast and take hits like the others? He's just a guy in a vibranium suit
>>69193541
You're first mistake was going into a fucking comic book movie and expecting Citizen Cane tier drama and insight. You might be too old to post on this site.
>>69194230
Well he thinks he's smarter than Cap or even 99% of the people he meets. And he usually is. But this has resulted him in talking down to people all the time.
>>69194266
tribal cat magic i think
>>69194266
I think he was made to be extra op to get people interested in the character and want to see his upcoming movie. And I'm pretty sure it worked, cause most of my normie friends said he was one of their favorite characters
>>69194266
Iron Man is just a man in an iron suit
>>69194266
I'm pretty sure he runs fast because he's African and has some magic shit. He can take hits because exactly what you said, his suit is made of vibranium.
I'm pretty sure if he took his helmet off and got punched in the face he would go down.
>>69194266
African herbs that give him enhanced abilities
>>69194018
I don't really want a Black Panther movie involving the Winter Soldier as a major element.
But Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis will be in it, and I can't think of any other place they would continue the Zemo character, so I'm really hoping they find a way to get real weird and magical with it after Doctor Strange even with so many threads starting in a grounded movie like Captain America
>>69194266
Nigger.
memes aside, probably some lion king hutu tutsi magic that gets explained in Black Panther movie.
>>69194411
I agree that winter soldier shouldnt dominate the movie, but I felt like we didn't get to see him as Bucky enough, and we need to see how, or if, he is eventually accepted as a hero and not a villian.
With all the vibranium Black Panther has I would be surprised if he didn't give him a new arm at some point.
>>69194266
he got to fight Bucky when he was escaping without his vibranium suit tho. Black Magic?
>>69194976
It looked like his ring could control bucky's arm
>>69194266
He's a bit on the magic side like Dr Strange. There was a scene in the movie when he fights WS without his suit, the ring he got from his dad does something and he holds his hand out and looks at it like wtf.
>>69193541
>Not to mention that the villain's stale trope was better executed 19 years ago when Scream 2 came out, ironically, a film satirizing this cliché.
This was also made pretty much in Iron Man 2 too.
>>69194230
The problem is how he executed it for me, I know that Tony is a millionare autistic manchildren, and throwing an autistic fit (Working unaturaly, weird movements, no sense of control, no common sense, talking with his normal voice) was just not right.
I would have love Tony actually fucking angry, yelling at the top of his lung, maybe swearing and being a little bit more violent.
But thats just me.
>>69192769
>Why didn't a 'civil war' produce any meaningful battles or lasting consequences?
>Why did the film abandon its central premise of the Sokovia Accords and dive headfirst into "muh Bucky" as the source of all conflict?
>Why were there bi-minutely quips during serious dramatic scenes?
>Why are all Marvel films after the original Iron Man shot like TV sitcoms?
>Why didn't Henry Jackman deliver a score as memorable, or even noticeable, as Winter Soldier's?
>Why did the movie spend so much time setting up future characters and preserving the status quo instead of utilizing and breaking the existing cast apart?
>Why was the action shot entirely in close up shaky cam with cuts every half second, rendering half of the film unwatchable and outright boring?
>Why did Hawkeye and Lang side with Cap despite wanting to be there for their families? Why did Lang knowingly put himself in legal trouble despite spending all of Ant Man wanting out of it?
>Why did the writers start shipping Vision and Wanda instead of giving them proper character development first?
>Where the hell did Techno-Azkaban come from, and why didn't anyone mention it before or react to its existence?
>How did Tony blow off an arm made of vibranium?
>Why did the writers use almost the same plot as The Dark Knight and Skyfall when Bucky was captured?
>Why doesn't anyone bring up the fact that the Avengers built Ultron, and the the entire Sokovia conflict was their fault, not just the collateral damage?
>Why does Steve romance the niece of his recently dead old flame? Why does Sharon Carter give such a topical eulogy that fits Cap's motivations with cringeworthy perfectly?
>How did Tony Stark not learn that his parents were murdered before the end of this film?
I could do this all day.
I still wish we had glimpses of alcoholic tony.
>>69195316
This is the first post that has made me realize butthurt DC fuccbois really do exist
>>69195316
>it did. the avengers are still fractured. steve and tony's friendship took a serious hit. war machine is done.
>why not?
>there weren't
>this one was better than most of the other films in that regard.
>i'll give you that.
>i disagree.
>nah dude the fight scenes were shot perfectly.
>yeah.
>yeah.
>?
>yeah.
>they didn't really.
>they do bring it up indirectly.
>yeah.
>there's nothing to suggest he didn't.
>>69195316
if you mean "post stuff that is wrong is the first place" then I'm sure you could do it all day
just picking 2 out of random
>>How did Tony blow off an arm made of vibranium?
It wasn't pure vibranium, it was plated with links made because it's an arm that has to move. You can see it plainly in the design. The innards were just machinery that could be yanked off with enough force, which is what happened.
>>Why did the writers use almost the same plot as The Dark Knight and Skyfall when Bucky was captured?
In those movies the antagonist purposely gets captured. In this one Zemo framed Bucky to get him captured so he could re-activate him while captive. Not even remotely the same.
Here's a bonus
>>Why doesn't anyone bring up the fact that the Avengers built Ultron, and the the entire Sokovia conflict was their fault, not just the collateral damage?
Tony outright says twice that the events in AoU was "his fault". This is the main reason he pushes the accords so personally.
>>69195316
>Why didn't a 'civil war' produce any meaningful battles or lasting consequences?
the Avengers split into two teams and it's now being taken seriously when people are vigilantes
>Why did the film abandon its central premise of the Sokovia Accords and dive headfirst into "muh Bucky" as the source of all conflict?
the Bucky plotline was already established and the sokovia accords were not that much of a conflict because they werent forcing anyone to sign up
>Why were there bi-minutely quips during serious dramatic scenes?
during the airport fight it wasnt that grim as they were trying to take each other alive and still friends
>Why are all Marvel films after the original Iron Man shot like TV sitcoms?
they're not and Winter Soldier and Civil War have amazing action directing
>Why didn't Henry Jackman deliver a score as memorable, or even noticeable, as Winter Soldier's?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0TZxlRRTqQ
>Why did the movie spend so much time setting up future characters and preserving the status quo instead of utilizing and breaking the existing cast apart?
they end up as two different teams, one working for the UN and one outlaw, and Tony's life is #rekt
>Why was the action shot entirely in close up shaky cam with cuts every half second, rendering half of the film unwatchable and outright boring?
it makes it feel kinetic and frantic, hating shakycam is a pleb criticism and it can be done well if the blocking works
>Why did Hawkeye and Lang side with Cap despite wanting to be there for their families?
they didn't know they'd have to fight Tony's team, just help him fight the other winter soldiers
>>69195316
>>69196049
>Why did Lang knowingly put himself in legal trouble despite spending all of Ant Man wanting out of it?
in Ant-Man he risked jail to do the right thing
>Why did the writers start shipping Vision and Wanda instead of giving them proper character development first?
they are married in the comics and both have established characters already
>Where the hell did Techno-Azkaban come from, and why didn't anyone mention it before or react to its existence?
why wouldn't Wakanda be as advanced, racist?
>How did Tony blow off an arm made of vibranium?
you see when you see people fixing his arm it's not vibranium all the way through, obviously
>Why did the writers use almost the same plot as The Dark Knight and Skyfall when Bucky was captured?
they didn't, in those movies the villains get themselves caught on purpose, not get someone else caught
>Why doesn't anyone bring up the fact that the Avengers built Ultron, and the the entire Sokovia conflict was their fault, not just the collateral damage?
they did, that's why Tony feels so responsible and goes along with the UN and Zemo hates them
>Why does Steve romance the niece of his recently dead old flame?
they already knew each other from the last movie
>Why does Sharon Carter give such a topical eulogy that fits Cap's motivations with cringeworthy perfectly?
quote from the comics casual
>How did Tony Stark not learn that his parents were murdered before the end of this film?
Bucky killed them with blunt force trauma and staged it to look like a car crash
try again DCuck
>>69193715
>Vision's wardrobe
>Cooking with Wanda
>"Can you move the seat forward?"
>"No"
>Black Panther and Zemo's conversation
>>69195316
Alright CinemaSins go back to youtube
>>69196049
>it makes it feel kinetic and frantic
it makes it a pain to watch
go watch any old jackie chan movie - all of those fights are more kinetic and frantic than this and are all very still shots that actually show contact and can be followed
>>69193541
you literally didn't watch it.
just got back
7/10 here
camerawork was fucking abysmal. some of the worst shakycam I've seen in my entire life.
Plot was cliched and hamfisted
action was good, quips were ok
>>69196256
>quips made it a 7/10
You faggots have real shit taste.
>>69196338
In this case it was spider man and antman providing the humor (which is comic faithful).
Tony stark was 1/50th as quippy as his old self due to so much brooding.
>>69196256
Bucky and Wilson back and forths were literally 10/10 quippage.
>>69194266
He's amutant
just saw it. literal kino. memes aside though with possible spoilers I guess? but really who hasn't been spoiled? :
>Cap
just Cap being Cap, but man the nigga went full primal with Iron Man in the end.
>Winter Soldier
can we talk about how he destroyed everyone after he broke out from being in captivity? he was once again, great.
>Iron Man
when he found out how his parents were killed, jesus christ.
>Black Widow
she kicked serious ass. scene with Panther, her holding him back, was great.
>Black Panther
not sure how they pulled it off but they did. he melded very well, was entertaining in fight.
>Scarlet Witch
no one doubted it but jesus chirst his absolute angel really is the most OP of all. that scene with Vision man, everyone knows which one.
>Vision
really love how they handled him. I thought it would be few scenes, few dialogue but no. great fucking work with him
>Hawkeye
scene with Vision was great, balls of steel on the guy.
>Spiderman
I hated that they cast that fucker but he did solid work. saw much more Spiderman than anticipated
>Ant Man
not much to discuss here, he shined in the airport scene obviously.
>War Machine
RIP
>Crossbones
I like how they threw us off the scent of the real bad guy. this guy... it surprised me how irrelevant he ultimately was.
>Zemo
always loved this actor. compelling, angry.
>Agent 13
fuck yeah Cap got some.
great movie. absolutely. 8.5/10 easily
>>69194304
>I think he was made to be extra op to get people interested in the character
Panther was supernaturally stong and fast and was always a step above captain America or guys like bucky.
He wasn't spiderman tier strength, but he was a better fighter.
>>69196338
I meant they weren't as excessive as in prior marvelshit
>implying the average american understands the banal allegory in the captain america movies
It's actually fucking sickening tbqh.
>>69196615
Very few marvel "fighters" (outside of the very heavy hitters who are invulnerable and can lift buildings) can go toe-to-toe with panther.
YES
I AM SO HAPPY
I FUCKING LOVED VISION IN IT
THANK YOU MARVEL, THAT'S ALL I CARED ABOUT
>that scene where Spiderman decapitated Cap with his Spider Guillotine move, then proceed to mock War Machine crying over his lover's corpse by calling him a "race mixing bum fucking nigger"
I was seriously taken back by that, but it made more sense when he started beating on Ironman and mumbling about how he "should have stayed in the fucking oven" and "one Holocaust wasn't enough", it's clear that the director's vision was that of Raimi's, they even rehired Toby Mcguire to create the vision of a more mature Spiderman who has more than just daily struggles to deal with
>>69193715
>Big bold text for years and locations
Some people in the theatre i saw it in cracked up every time a new location was announced that way
L O N D O N
O
N
D
O
N
That part when Winter Soldier put Iron Man's dad's head in the car I had flashbacks to Kingpin in Daredevil and wondered if they would really go that far.
>>69196615
Where does his strength come from?
Also characters powerlevels in the comics vary so fucking much. They can't be taken seriously, for the most part.
>>69194454
>spoopy black magic
Can't wait for the sjw shitstorm over that
>Spiderman
the thing i was waiting for was the worst part
>Antman
the thing i didn't even think about was the best part
So is Zemo going to go down as one of the best MCU villains alongside Kingpin and Loki?
>>69196800
Wakandian technology and a suit made of Vibranium.
Vibranium is the shit cap america's shield is made off.
>>69193499
>the best characters in the movie
THIS I fucking love Ant Man and Spidey.
Gotta wait ages for the Ant Man sequel tho. He better be in the next Avengers movie!
>>69196828
If you didn't like Tom Holland spidey then you don't understand the character of spidey and never actually liked it.
Scarlet Witch's accent went in and out during the movie. Also, that romance thing with Carter's niece made me fall asleep. Otherwise it was quite enjoyable.
>>69193541
This trolling is getting old. I as a DCuck give Civil War an 8/10.
Amazing funny, emotionally dramatic movie. Bury this nonsense hatred.
>>69196843
Yea I know about his suit, but you, or it might have been another anon, just said he had super strength. A vibranium suit doesnt give you strength, just makes you indestructible.
This movie had an awful start but after the UN gets bombed it really picked up. The drama about the Avengers being too dangerous and countries being upset with them and some of the character's choices to side with the UN felt really forced.
Like some random black lady shows up to bitch at Tony because her son died and this is his main motivating factor to sign the registration act.
>>69193673
Looks like he has nothing to add. There is nothing about this movie that you would need change: it is almost perfect as it is.
I would rather prefer a longer cut with more spidey and tony and ant man.
>>69196918
Oh don't know about that. But I guess they could add some magic african technology to make the suit give you super strength.
>>69193715
>Big bold text for years and locations
It felt out of place to me. I guess its easier than doing establishing shots of landmarks though and it helps the movie keep its pace.
>>69196919
I didn't think it felt forced, per se, but I definitely thought it was stupid that everyone kept referring to the avengers as 'murderers' even though it was very obvious that they never killed anyone, and anyone who died was killed by the people they were trying to stop.
I get that the point was they were too reckless, but there just seemed to be no logic in these accusations of murdering, yet no one says anything about it in their defense.
>>69196601
Bucky all hydra-triggered was a fucking tank. Soloed falcon, cap, stark, black widow, agent 13, black panther ... just walking the halls straight up dismantling people.
>>69196800
>Where does his strength come from?
Depending on the era of black panther, his strengh and senses are enhanced by a sacred rare plant used by the kings of his tribe, and also augmented by the power of the panther god. It is mystical in nature, similar to Moon knight and superheros like that.
He also exhibits bat man style foresight and prep-tme, moreso than most other marvel heroes.
He is not just a guy in a suit. He has come out on top against thor-tier opponents like pic related, or the silver surfer mentioned above.
>>69193715
The cameraman was really good in this. That shot when the camera pans around to the black panther guy on the bench before he has his transition speech and puts on ring was really good.
It was a really great speech too: starts by speaking about what his father believed in (audience therefore thinks he is a goody guy) until he says "I am not like my father" and then you know shit is about to go down.
>>69196919
That's not it at all. You realize he was at MIT throwing money at them because he feels super guilty about Ultron?
Like seriously his whole life everything he does turns out shit.
Make weapons -> used by terrorists
Fight aliens -> Destroy a city
Try to make an army of suits -> Ultron
Try to contain Hulk -> Destroy a city
Like all of Ultron is a set up for showing that Tony feels guilty as fuck.
I gotta say, spidey was literally perfect in all aspects except his kiddy voice, i want the actor to develop a voice that's not as girly as the one he currently has, but the suit looked 30/10 in action, and i like how they actually made him look strong as fuck, strong enough to be able to take on all the avengers except maybe Vision, shit was incredible
I could not believe was i was looking at, spidey was fantastic, i'd watch the whole movie again just to see spiderman in action one more time.
>>69193845
This shows that they can make more actors look younger in movies with CGI.
Why can't Disney just CGI a young Han instead of hiring some other young actor?
Maybe because it would cost too much and Ford would have to act out every scene as they take pictures of each facial expression idk.
Still I would prefer this than the young han movie that I may not bother paying money to see.
>>69192769
Yo why are we not talking about the best thing of this movie???
>HOT
>ASS
>AUNT
>MAY
>>69194302
This. He probably is talented in some African dark arts or something.
Is cool for the MCU to also have spirituality as well as the dimensions stuff that we will see in Dr Strange
![critic[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yMxmMjJ.jpg "critic[1].jpg")
>>69193541
>>69197061
I understood the MIT stuff but it was slighted by throwing in the Pepper drama and then suddenly jumping to that elevator scene. It felt more like Tony doing typical philanthropy stuff at first with less of a connection to Sokovia. I don't know, character motivations just felt kind of off and rushed in the beginning. Things did pan out and get better after the UN was bombed as I said.
>>69197105
This guy gets it.
>Tony and Pepper are broken up
>Tony wants Aunt May bad
>Tony will be in Spider-Man Homecoming
Tony confirmed for giving May the dick
>>69197105
Tony is going to bang her in the spidey film no question
>>69197075
Spiderman and Black Panther were my favorite parts of the movie. They really sold me on stand alone films.
>>69197075
I disagree. His voice was fine and he immediately looked and sounded like the spiderman.
And also: I cant be the only one who thought he looked like Tobey Maguire when he was lying on the airport floor with his mask half off.. the way his face looked there was just like Tobeys!
>>69197167
I am still bummed Keaton wont be the Vulture. I so hope the movie is a masterpiece somehow.
>>69197214
Yeah, definitely, i wanted to see more, i'm glad the spidey movie it's coming out next year
Also another 10/10 character was Ant-man howeveri never actually saw his movie, but this movie fully convinced me to do it
>>69196889
This.
Please forgive me Based Holland for doubting you for months ;_;
>>69197167
What is it with disney and aunts by the way? The aunt in big hero six is HOT as fuck too
>>69197105
seriously
>>69197268
Damnit man Ant Man's solo film is the best! Some of the best CGI I've ever seen legit.
Watch it NAOW
>tfw people think that mopey, depressed raimi spiderman is deafault spiderman
>tfw they think this holland spiderman is not like the original
I'm mad.
>>69197268
It's actually really good, senpai. Basically just a light-hearted, breezy comedy. Low-stakes, doesn't take itself too seriously, and is a lot of fun.
>>69197315
>>69197315
Faith in white women aging restored
>>69197268
Hell, all Marvel has to do to market other hero movies is to give them some screentime in a movie like this. Each minor character was excellent and made me want to see more. Vision and Wanda had some interesting stuff going on, Ant-man was fantastic, Black Panther shows up out of the blue and keeps your interest throughout, Hawkeye showing up to shoot arrows and say quips was just as great as in Ultron, and so on.
>>69197317
Tobey was a great Parker/Spidey, Garfield was a great Spidey, an ok Parker, Holland is awesome as both.
Each actor tho does a great job at having the cheeky voice when in costume.
Spideyboy and antman saved this shit movie. 40 minutes too long and overpolitical. Literally blacklivesmatter cape shit.
I never understood this thing about giants moving slower.
Like why did antman start moving in slowmo when he became big?
>>69197167
RDJr is pushing to get Gwyneth Paltrow back into the remaining Avengers movies.
>>69197376
>white
she's italian
Probably for the same reason he whips around like a bullet as a tic-tac.
His strength probably isn't 100% proportional to his size. Otherwise he'd be hurling airliners like chairs.
>>69197451
So much butthurt from a perfect movie
>>69197493
>implying italians are not white
Just how many /pol/ personnel is on /tv?
>>69197565
im not from there
>>69197537
It's because BvS grossed half of what TDK did domestically.
In fact the last three Batman movies have had a smaller domestic gross than the one before it.
They have milked Batman out as badly as Sony did Spider-Man, now it's inevitable decreasing returns, and WB just doesn't have the long-term interest in feeding this genre 250 mil when they could score better returns with Harry.
DCCU is dying on the vine.
>>69197592
This is not a good thing, given that the movies are requiring a larger and larger investment.
>>69194266
He's got an extra bone in his legs
This movie was highly enjoyable all the way through, unlike BvS that was painful, stressing to watch and an absolute chore to finish past the 1 hour mark, seriously, how can DC cucks even compete? Even the normies could see that their movie was SHIT
>>69196996
It's probably mostly politically motivated as the Avengers operate mostly out of the US and under US government support. Especially to some poor third worlder they see the Avengers as an example of reckless imperialism and make a big cow out of minor incidents or big things that couldn't have been helped.
>>69197612
For someone who loved civil war, i still so wanna see the Aquaman movie.
Hope it gets made.
Adjusted, BvS underperformed Batman Forever, and cost more (adjusted) to make than Forever.
That's not winning.
>>69193149
It's writing not righting you fuckin pleb
>>69197460
>Like why did antman start moving in slowmo when he became big?
Nerve impulse speed? Nerves (and reaction time) are an electromechanical process. Unlike electricity though a cable, the conductivity speed of the human body is much lower. (Most nerve info travels at 35 to 85 meters per second). As a giant his nerves would not be any more conductive, but the nerve info has much farther to travel.
This means time lag and it works both ways. There is lag for your muscles to respond to your brain's command, and there is lag from your sense of touch to get back to your brain. Think about moving, and watch as your body starts to move a moment later.
Imagine fighting like that. Your fine motor skills would be fucked so you would be forced to move very slowly and would be extremely clumsy until you were used to this and ant man was not used to this yet).
>>69197668
Ouch
>>69197735
that would make sense except he didn't become THAT much bigger.
As in the distance isn't enough to justify real lag.
Also wasn't he supposed to keep his regular size strength? Which is why he's able to fling people around in ant size? Why does he not lose strength while shrinking but gains strength while growing?
>>69197794
Pym particles have three axes of change, size, strength and density. They can move in different ways. When he shrinks, the technology moves the particles down the axes of size and density while the strength axis remains constant. When he grows, the particles are are moved upwards along all three axes.
Alternatively, its just fantasy and the technology doesn't need to be actual achievable technology or it would already exist.
>>69197699
WORD MAKIN
I went to a 5 PM showing. That was the earliest showing that wasn't sold out, but when I booked my tickets they only showed a few seats taken so I was expecting a deader theater than what I got. The entire theater was packed.
The movie was god-tier. When Stark said "I got a guy." and it said QUEENS real big, the theater erupted with applause. It was the first time I ever saw the clapping meme in real life, but there it was. Holland is a 10/10 Parker, and he nailed the Spidey character perfectly. The suit looks amazing and his movements were acrobatic while still being human (basically, he wasn't moving like Gumby like in the Rhino scene of ASM2). They made his strength really apparent too, with how he was more worried about looking cool and helping out than actually worried about getting hurt. He took down Falcon and Bucky easily, and was beating Cap until Cap threw the trailer at him and pinned him down.
This was the best acting performance Evans has given in his career. He was sensational. RDJ nailed the role again, too. I also think Stan did a great job as Bucky, without hamming it up.
Spidey, Ant-Man, and Cap stole the show.
9.5/10
>>69197887
Sure.
It's science, I ain't got to explain shit!
Lets vote for worse joke in the movie:
>Are you Tony Stank?
>>69197965
Screw you I chuckled
>>69197965
It was bad, but given the context of the scene, with Tony's life going to absolute shit but atleast being reminded that he has one true friend out there it was bearable, it felt like it was kinda needed.
But it was easily the worst Stan Lee cameo, it was so blalantly obvious it was "le comic old man XD"
Daredevil's stan lee cameo it's amazing, it's subtle but smart, we need more of those
>>69193018
Buckey killing his parents seemed like a really good motivation, especially seeing was it was properly set up in the past movies.
I just wish they did it earlier and had Tony understand that it was Hydra's work that made him do it, he didn't do it on his on free will. It would have given a good character arc with Tony, starting out damaged, then learning the truth and going batshit insane against him with the help of batshit insane black man and other black man, then getting over it and accepting that Bucky was innocent, then working together in the end.
>>69197794
He was at least 10 times larger. He was able to tear a jets wing off.
Let's say the distance from your brain to your hand is normally 3 feet and and you can send a signal to close your fist in 150 miliseconds. When the signal has 10 times the distance to travel, but moves at the same speed, what do you expect the outcome will be?
This is why paleontologists contemplated a "second brain" theory for years. Dinosaurs were so large that the time lag from nerve pulses to reach their brain would hinder their ability to react in time to hazards. Their spinal tissue had a lot of automatic response ready to go so nerve signals did not need to travel the long distance to the brain. Some dinosaurs were thought to habe a second brain that was like a relay center far away from the brain stem that handed the automatic responses to stimuli.
Is Zemo the only good villian? He technically won in the end
>>69196835
He might
>>69198295
Yea that was rather refreshing to see.
>>69198295
Yes.
>>69193469
>I'm so enlightened I can't have fun
Real jealous of you there, tough guy. Go watch BvS again.
Tony's greatest fear is a full Alien invasion
>alienates the people needed to help repel it
You'd think someone would have realized that the guy walking into Bucky's psych evaluation looked nothing like the guy who it was supposed to be
>>69198295
I find it pretty cool that he didn't do much except speed up the inevitable, just by playing with caps loneliness and buckys broken mind.
>>69198442
They outsourced to some psychiatric hospital or something. Just another example of UN lack of foresight.
>>69198466
How did he know ironman would show up with Cap and Bucky at the end?
>>69198474
Outsourcing doesn't remove the clearance requirements. Also, the breakout took place in a UN facility, didn't it?
>>69198474
Still think they would know what the guy looks like, right? Security seemed important with all those guys with guns guarding the room
>>69198442
That's really the biggest flaw I can think of. It would've been better if they had like a 10 second scene with him talking to Ross or something saying the other interrogator was sick or was specifically assigned there from someone else.
It's really weird how they don't notice him among the dead in facility despite being the very first one Bucky would get, and how they don't notice he looks way different than who was chosen before. Those things alone immediately verify caps story
If Wanda doesn't accidentally kill a bunch of Nigerians, would the UN have still tried to control the avengers?
>>69198518
He probably thought they'd all get there. Or, the survivors would. And it isn't unreasonable to think the first two would be those survivors.
>>69198645
Yes. Did you see the last 5 movies in this series?
>>69198697
Nah
>>69198671
I just assumed that if it was just cap and Bucky, then zemo would see they're alone and consider his job well done, cause they're so fractured they don't even want to help or find cap at all, if they're even alive or free to do so.
>>69198540
>>69198541
>having faith in organizations like the UN.
You must be Europeans.
>>69198671
The two survivors should be vision and scarlet witch since they actually have super powers and are way more powerful than anybody else in this movie
>>69198645
>would the UN have still tried to control the avengers?
They were already there scheming in the very first avengers movie. They were the ones who tried to nuke NYC.
The UN in the MCU are a very shady organization. Pic very related.
Any good camrips out yet?
Don't wanna leave my house.
>>69198540
In the comic it's a group of young heroes who have a reality tv show where they catch badies.
They went against Nitro and he blew up near a school killing like 900 kids.
So the world went into an outrage saying heroes should be held in check.
Now they couldn't go with that because this is still very early in the super hero movement, so instead they used all the collateral dmg from other movies.
I think they could've shown people rioting and complaining and stuff or something. Maybe show the heroes doing heroic stuff and then people throwing trash at them telling them they suck. Just in general show public disapproval of heroes.
Instead we just got 1 black lady that didn't even spit in Tony's face.
>>69198817
>in the comic
Wrong board son
>>69198790
I never get this. If you can see the people then there's no fucking reason to be in darkness, turn on the damn lights.
Or just have a voice call.
Fucking UN trash.
>>69198835
>only reading the first 3 words and already having an opinion
Correct board shitstain.
>>69198860
The movies aren't gonna follow your precious comics so there is no point in bringing them up
>>69198885
But that's exactly what I'm saying in my post.
But good to know you didn't go back and read it. You really do belong here.
>>69198912
My point is that you never should have posted it in the first place. You seem to agree. I'm just trying to make /tv/ great again
>>69198540
>>69198541
More seriously the guy could've just disguised himself as the doctor like he did with Bucky to frame him to at least get through security. It wouldn't explain why he took off the disguise during the interrogation though. That probably would've been better to just have him be disguised as the doctor the whole time.
I thought this was the ultimate "meh" capeshit flick.
The big airport fight was the quippiest most autistic action scene in the entire MCU.
The antagonist's plan... well, he doesn't really have one. I mean his plan was to get the avengers to fight amongst themselves... but they were already already doing that.
Worst of all, the film has no consequences. Nobody important or even semi important dies, and we end exactly where we were left off.
I guess it was better than age of reddit the robot because at least it wasn't constantly advertising other films to me every 10 minutes.
Not a bad movie, but 6/10 tops. Nowhere near the level of Cap 2.
>>69199077
Why do people always want someone to die...
How come when Cap destroyed ironman's magnet heart thing it didn't kill ironman?
>>69199077
Essentially this.
I wasn't bored or anything, but the praise had been set way too high.
>>69196256
Spot on, saw it on a stream. The fighting scenes were ok, the ending battle and villain motive were good or else it would have been another AoU.
>>69199119
He got it fixed back in Iron Man 3.
>>69199110
It doesn't have to be a death, but it helps to have SOME level of serious consequence so the movie wasn't for nothing.
At the end of this, literally nothing has changed except the avengers team has swapped 2 members. They didn't need a movie for that.
>>69198817
>killing like 900 kids
Comic book writers really have no sense of scale
>>69199119
Didn't you notice that his chest no longer glows when he doesn't have the suit on?
>>69199110
Because actions have consequences and most of the team do not have bulletproof skin.
>>69199152
I was always disappointed by that
>>69199160
Dunno man there was over 900 kids at my highschool and if a big enough bomb happened then it could have easily killed 900
>>69199152
It's too hard keep all this shit straight from completely forgettable movies from years ago
This hands down was one of the worst marvel movies I have ever seen
>It made me hate all the characters
>Cap is an annoying cunt who can't handle the fact his "friend" is a criminal
>HE has no place or use in this movie
>am is an annoying fuck
>tony is the only one I supported
I could go on...
>>69199176
Warmachine should have straight up shot Antman after the fuel truck thing. I mean that could have killed him.
Also, Rhodes gets paralyzed because he hits the ground after getting hit by Vision, but what the fuck was Vision thinking even firing that? Assuming the best that would have done the exact same to Falcon or just killed him seeing as he didn't have armour
I am just dumbfounded as to how people are praising the airport fight.
>LOL ARE WE STILL FRIENDS?
>WHO IS THIS TALKING?
>EVERYBODY'S GOT A GIMMICK NOW
>HEY HAVE YOU SEEN THAT MOVIE THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
>I THOUGHT THAT WAS A WATER TRUCK
>LOL YOU'RE FROM QUEEN? HAHA I'M FROM BROOKLYN! WE SHOULD TOTALLY HANG OUT!!!
And the giant man shit was the worst of it all. Anyone that is excited by it is only excited because Giant Man was IN the movie. But what he does is pointless and just awkward to watch.
This entire movie was impossible to take seriously because of how quippy it was.
>>69199294
Falcon should have died and cap and bucky
If dumb blonde hoe doesn't tell Cap where Bucky is then the Germans murder him and none of the "civil war" happens, right?
>>69199294
Just another plot hole in this incredibly overrated movie. But hey its a marvel movie. Shut up and pay to see it again!
>>69194266
Black Panther is a supersoldier just like Cap. He gets his powers from a special mutated herb that's poisonous to everybody outside his bloodline instead of drugs and "vita-rays".
>>69199314
>This entire movie was impossible to take seriously because of how quippy it was
Name 5 quips outside of the airport fight scene
>But what he does is pointless and just awkward to watch.
He was a distraction while Bucky and Cap left. That was his point. He succeeded.
You're literally too stupid to get this movie.
So you like cats?
What? Dude shows up dressed like a cat and you don't wanna know more?
>>69199314
The movie was incredibly dry, and all those quips are from that one fight scene.
>>69199294
I'm guessing warmachine knowing that falcon was supposed to get hit was ready to turn around and catch him.
But yea I thought the same, I was like ok so if Falcon doesn't avoid that then he falls to his death and doesn't have an iron suit to protect him.
But now that I'm writing this post I think Warmachine said something like hit the thrusters so maybe Falcon, since he had wings, could just glide to the ground. He just won't be able to keep flying.
>>69199352
I was surprised how much I liked this guy. His solo movie might be good after all.
>>69199360
>Falcon, since he had wings, could just glide to the ground.
He literally said "Turn him into a glider"
>>69199283
this
Why didn't scarlet johanson die when she was in a sealed tank with a live grenade?
>>69199325
And cap and bucky what?
>>69199283
>I could go on...
Please do, because nothing in this post proves you saw the movie.
>>69199375
>I was surprised how much I liked this guy.
I wasnt. Black Panther was awesome in Hickmans run on the Avengers. He's always been a complete bad ass though.
>>69199416
She shielded herself with a dude who had body armor.
>>69199435
But the shockwave was strong enough to blow the door out
>>69199352
I imagine this was his face when he got a receipt saying "cat suit"
>>69199345
>name 5 quips outside of the airport fight
That's like saying "I only shit on the patty, the buns and lettuce are still fine!" but sure whatever
1. So you like cats?
2. HEY! MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE!
3. Can you move your seat?
4. His name is (I have, who cares) isn't he cute!?
5. That entire embarrasing Spiderman intro scene
Want me to keep going?
This movie was a quip fest from beginning to end.
>>69199460
Good you job, you found the chink in the armor. We all agree the movie was complete shit. You can sleep soundly in your batman bed sheets.
>>69199460
Yea dunno man. All I got is shielded herself with a dude in armor.
>>69199416
Eventually they're going to have to establish that she got knock-off Soviet super-soldier serum in her youth.
I cannot take this shit.
>>69199482
"So you like cats" wasn't a quip.
Not every piece of banter is a quip. You have no idea what a quip is.
>>69199460
That was the major flaw of the film for me, it ruined the whole opening sequence. I just didn't care for it after that.
I soon forgot about it when they moved on and enjoyed the rest of the film though
>>69199489
Is her super power grenade absorption?
>>69199482
>1. So you like cats?
>2. HEY! MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE!
>3. Can you move your seat?
>4. His name is (I have, who cares) isn't he cute!?
>5. That entire embarrasing Spiderman intro scene
All of these were great though. Your just a tight ass. Sorry about your shit taste.
Batman v superman is probably a worse movie, but it entertained me a hell of a lot more. It had more gravitas to it.
In this... nobody ever cared. They were too busy cracking jokes while they were fighting each other.
>>69199489
>DC cuck false flagging
>>69199514
>Is her super power grenade absorption?
Yup.
>>69199352
I actually thought it was gonna be some cat woman character until he revealed himself
>>69199528
>I didn't see the movie
The end fight was brutal as fuck. Not a single quip.
>>69199507
>>69199516
Jesus H Christ and I thought DCucks were bad.
>>69199537
Bro, its called irony. I know concepts like that are hard for autistic people to grasp so Ill let you slide.
>it's a "/tv/ tries to say an objectively good movie is trash" series premiere
Anybody else think that line about Cap having a bit of green in his eyes was funny af? I had to hold in the laughter because nobody in my theater thought it was funny
>>69199541
>Y-YOU DIDN'T SEE IT!
There's a scene where RDJ plays an 18 year old and everybody in the audiance laughed at how terrible it was.
It was a pretty bad movie.
>>69199597
What was this again? I remember the line, but not the context.
>>69199607
That was known about before the movie came out. You literally didn't see it.
>>69199629
(YOU)
>>69199621
Zemo said he was glad he finally found a flaw in Cap.
>>69199621
Basically just saying Captain America wasn't a part of the master race
>>69199646
Nice rebuttal. Thanks for showing the 80 posters ITT your ignorance and stupidity.
>>69199482
Quips per scene it was actually the least quippy film yet.
Yes I realize how that's an incredibly specific and overall meaningless fact, but it does debunk the line: "This movie was a quip fest from beginning to end"
For what little that's worth
>>69199541
>>69199629
Is this where things have come to?
People that disagree with marveldrones can't have possibly seen the movie?
You have to be 18 to post here
>>69199567
It reads like false flag irony, it's too flagrant
>BvS comes out
ITS TOO DARK! ITS TOO SERIOUS! NOT ENOUGH HUMOR!
>Civil War comes out
TOO MANY QUIPS! NOT SERIOUS ENOUGH! TOO MUCH HUMOR!
I fucking hate all of you people.
The text Captain America received when his waifu died was so hilariously impersonal. It something along the lines of "Shes gone. In her sleep."
>>69199681
This coming from the person that honestly believes anything about that final fight was "brutal"
Did YOU see the movie?
>>69199727
>I dont know what irony is.
>false flag
Back to /pol with you.
"tony does something he believes to be good, but ends up doing something bad" is the plot of every single Marvel movie that feature Stark
>>69199726
If you're going to criticize something, have proof and reasonable arguments. Don't say "hurr it's shit" and expect others to take you seriously.
>>69199501
This
This shit is getting out of hand
No wonder 4chan is reduced to capeshit.
No one wants to be seen publicly endorsing this crap.
>>69199771
>is the plot of every single Marvel movie that feature Stark
Its actually like that in the comics too. All of the super geniuses in the books have major character flaws. Ego is Tony's.
>>69199766
Well if you're going to continue shitposting the here's your (YOU)
>Stark says to trust the government, and that it would never control them to force them to do things they are against
>Bucky is forced by the Soviets to do things he's against
Poetry. This is too intellectual for /tv/.
Dkek never ever good movie
The pattern: watch marvel and nolan batman, know snyder sucks
Watch nolan batman and not marvel: cling to what recent movie you have before justice league
>>69199795
I think it's actually the other way around. Fucking everybody is publicly endorsing this, so 4chan should be one of the places where you can dissent about it
But fuck it, I enjoyed it
>>69199794
oof
also i wish i found sophie dee attractive
she's got a great body
>>69199898
One of my faves. Wait if you think she's got a great body then what's unattractive about her?
>>69199283
But Bucky dindu nuffin wrong, the nasty hydra men made him do it.
Seriously though, Bucky was chilling just fine in whatever country he was in before he was framed in the movie, and he only did the bad shit as Winter Soldier because brainwashing. All Cap wanted to do is prevent him from getting shot up and otherwise killed for something he had no involvement in. If anything, Bucky has had it the hardest out of anyone in the MCU
>>69192769
Best part of the movie (at least one of the)
>>69200026
>>69198295
best marvel villain is still pic related
but I really liked Zemo, I like Daniel Bruehl
>>69200134
>>69195316
The metal arm isn't vibranium, they never say it is.
>>69200180
better
>>69200173
>best marvel villain is still pic related
Nah nigga.
>>69200214
Buuuuuuuuuuut...... Come on
>>69196256
Ok what's another movie with a plot like that?
>captain motivated by "muh friend bucky" but it ends up he doesn't tell "muh friend stark" how his fucking parents died
How is Cap right again?
