>I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you.
How come every Batman adaptation completely drops the ball on Batman's one rule? Literally the only Batman that HASN'T killed was George Clooney.
>>69179342
Batman has killed people since his very beginning.
All those beatings he gives out are bound to cause some sort of irreparable trauma to the brain and other organs leading to death. Just because he doesn't explicitly kill them the moment he fights them doesn't mean they don't die due to their injuries later.
Did the Adam West version ever kill?
Hi reddif
>>69179586
Some thugs die in the movie when they get dehydrated.
>>69179342
>Literally the only Batman that HASN'T killed was George Clooney
killed an entire franchise, that has to count for something
>adaptation
Thats your problem. You cant call yourself a Batman fan and only consume his "adaptations"
>>69179754
virginity: the post
>>69179586
He would knock guys into vats of dry ice, but that's about it. Adam West never brought up the whole "No killing" rule, but the show was so goofy that they probably never felt the need to.
>>69179641
Other than blowing up that one guy with a bomb, did Keaton Batman ever kill?
>>69180020
Oh my yes
>Batwing guns down thugs with a 50 Cal
>Batmobile drops a bomb in the Joker's factory, blowing up dozens of thugs too
>Dynamite Guy (as you mentioned)
>The Joker himself, indirectly
>>69180172
Was he the Batman that sets a guy on fire using the Batmobile's jet engine?
>>69180172
based
Batman's no kill rule was never really compelling anyway
>tfw Burton's Batman was the perfect balance of fun and dark content
>tfw fun isn't allowed anymore
>>69179641
>>69180219
Yes he was.
>>69180219
Even though I haven't ever been bothered by Batman killing thugs, it was batshit crazy when he deliberately turned the Batmobile around and set him on fire instead of neutralizing him in a less maniacal way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NriOZ6ofj_Q
>>69180233
By fun do you mean shitty Prince music?
>>69180811
Shitty Prince music > over-produced Zimmer shit
It wasn't just with Ras al Ghul, but literally all the ninjas in the dojo when he sets everything on fire. Srsly what was Nolan thinking? The scene immediately before Batman is making a big deal about not being a killer
>>69180891
>what was Nolan thinking?
He wasn't.
>>69180891
>normies are stupid and won't notice Batman is a murderous hypocrite
>nerds who'll cry online don't matter, they'll see it 5 times and buy the Blu-ray
>>69181172
>implying anybody uses Blu-ray
>>69181172
>>>69180891
>>normies are stupid and won't notice Batman is a murderous hypocrite
>>nerds who'll cry online don't matter, they'll see it 5 times and buy the Blu-ray
>>69180811
too soon
>>69179535
There was one story where a bunch of people injured by batman attack him but it turns out it was their own fault, like a guy who threw one of batman's used batarangs at batman and it came back and hit him in the head.
>>69180891
>>69181172
He never said he wouldn't kill anyone, he refused to be an executioner. If people die in the course of his escape or his subduing of them, it isn't on him.
>>69179586
He killed by accident in the movie. The goons where turned into powder and rehydrated in the batcave but when they attacked batman they disintegrated if batman touched them.
>>69182320
>when they attacked batman they disintegrated if batman touched them.
Holy fucking shit, so Adam West wasn't all POW POW on screen, I might hafta check it out sometime.
>>69179586
Yes, he's a murderer too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psVIG7YvdjM&t=3m
>>69182356
By disintegrate i mean dissapear with a BWOOP sound.
Because your children drawings have to be adapted in a way grown people won't laugh their asses off.
can we just skip the bullshit and go straight to the memes?
>>69180811
PARTY MAN
>>69179342
In the comics Batman would let Ra's die considering he has cheated death multiple times already
I mean, in one of the Demon books he literally traveled around the world to stop Ra's from using the Lazarus Pits so he would die
Is it worth watching Adam West's show/movie? I don't mind a good laugh.
>>69182609
Kek'd
>>69180891
I always wondered why he did that.
>>69182290
>wont kill people for the greater good
>will kill people for personal desire to live
If batman had to kill a criminal in order to save the life of an innocent, would he?
>>69180172
Don't forget the colored guy in the bell tower he let drop to his death
>>69184571
No, he wouldn't. I kind of like that about him; his no-kill rule is as much a weakness as a strength. He'd hate himself for it, he'd rage about finding another way, but he wouldn't kill them. He won't kill even in situations where he arguably should; where any other action hero would kill and the audience would be rooting for them the whole time.
>>69180495
>it was batshit crazy
I see what you did.
>>69179754
>being proud of consuming children's books
I honestly hate the no-kill rule in shit like this. At least for guys like the Joker it's justified to kill them.
>>69184700
>Comics are for kids
Miller and Gaiman would like a word
>MoS
>Superman has killed plenty in the past, its fine!
>BvS
>Batman has killed plenty in the past, its fine!
batman is a psychopath and is NOT different from the criminals he chases. I think that's what's supposed to be inferred. He uses guns all the time, and kills people just as often. These two things are supposed to be the moral line that separates him from the criminals, but he crosses that line all the time, therefore he's just like those criminals.
WHERE WERE THE OTHER DRUGS GOING?!
>>69182776
So, in Arkham Knight, it was actually justified if you decided to withhold the Lazarus from Ra's and let him die?
>>69184787
Jesus, will Superfags ever let go of their butthurt against Batman.
For people that claim moral superiority for liking a fictional character over the other they really show a lack of self awareness.
>>69184887
Batman has definitely not killed as many people as Ra's al-Ghul, a literal actual terrorist, or even the Joker.
>>69184887
>h-he is a criminal for stopping criminals!
>s-superman is so based for smashing tuck just because someone made fun of him tho!
>>69179535
Let fill you in on something, smartass. Comic books don't follow the same physics as the real world. Are you autistic? If they don't show or mention their deaths, they are not dead.
>>69180233
>the no rule wasn't compelling
But it's such a vital part of the character, it show his psychopathic tendencies and overall lunacy, a recurring theme in the Batman universe. He needs to make a rule not to kill someone, as opposed to Superman who just isn't in him to kill if he doesn't have to. Probably the reason why he didn't just instantly crush Batman in their fight.
>>69179342
how come he didn't have to save ras al ghul but had to save the joker
>>69186044
I just want a optimistic superhero, anon.
I like Batman too.
>>69186299
Because if he didn't then he would've actively killed the Joker. Ra's orchestrated his own deathtrap in Batman's eyes.
Also I like to think that the first two movies are both origin stories and Bruce/Batman is still developing well into TDK.
The best portrayal of growth as a person and a hero was in this movie though.
Batman not killing is a lame excuse to keep all the villains returning.
Fuck you, Batman should kill.
>>69186299
the entire point of TDK is that Batman can't fix the city with his methods.
that's why they needed Harvey Dent to be the hero and all that, the Joker needed to be arrested and brought to justice so that everyone would see that the system worked, that's why they needed him alive.
and that's why Batman is the hero they desrve but not the one they need and why the Dent persona was so important
>>69187444
if you kill your enemies, they win
>>69187444
A Batman who kills would just be a 3rd rate copy of The Shadow. You know, the character that very very heavily inspired Batman. Except Batman would look fucking retarded with guns, and he doesn't have the Shadow's (radio show version's) signature gimmicks which are the bone chilling laughter of mockery and the ability to erase himself from sight.
>manslaughter
>killing
Hello Supreme Court of Reddit
>>69179641
>>69179641
rekt.
>>69179754
I think you consume enough for all of us buddy.
>>69179342
That one rule of Batmans that you retards love so much has cost thousands of people their lives.
It's a stupid rule I'd be glad to see gone.
>>69188099
original batman had guns
>>69179641
Well well. OP btfo.
>>69188265
Yes, and he was a shitty clone of the Shadow. The writers literally built him as a fanfic for the character without actually being the Shadow. He wasn't even called The Batman.
The original Batman also got retconned very quick and pretty much everything in his origin story has been changed.
>>69179342
>How come every Batman adaptation completely drops the ball on Batman's one rule?
Because it's the a stupid rule.
Just because capefags make themselves slaves to the status quo doesn't mean that movie directors must follow suit.
>>69188357
That's not BTFO, that's an MCU-tier quip.
>>69182290
That is the same flawed logic the guy from the Saw movies has.
>>69188473
It's literally central to Batman's character. He doesn't kill because of how his parents were killed so brutally.
Not to mention how, as based >>69188368 said, if he did kill then literally nothing would be noteworthy about him.
>>69188094
what kind of autistic logic is this.
fuck that
if your enemy dead then you won because they can't do shit
>>69184787
>superman fans still continue to be self-righteous babies
It's scary how religious you people are about a fictional man in tights.
>>69188094
but if he doesn't kill his enemies they win even more plus a lot of innocent people will suffer
The reason Batman doesn't kill is that, once he started, he couldn't go back.
>>69190425
So? As long as he kills criminals what's the problem?
>>69190425
The reason is contrived writing which spawns retarded justifications for why he doesn't kill.
And it would be fine if they didn't write villains escaping every 3 weeks
>>69190463
The police department already barely tolerates Batman's vigilantism since he leaves the victims to the cops. Once you go extralegal, that's a huge problem.
>>69179535
My mom is sensitive with movies sometime. Took her to see the Dark Knight and she was legit disturbed by the Joker; after the movie, she goes "we don't even know if that guy who got stabbed with the pencil died; he might still be alive and in pain."
WTF mom.
>>69185990
No, you don't get it. He didn't save him :^)
>>69179342
>mfw people bitch about him having a rule to not kill people and breaking that rule many times
>no one stops to think that maybe him making that rule for himself but still ends up breaking it is what makes batman such a compelling character because he tries to do good but always has to compromise his morals to save the day
>>69190773
>tries to do good
>leaves psycho villains alive so they can continue to kill innocents
yeah right
>>69190509
>>69190463
i''m not even a dc fag and i know this
batman doesn't kill because it's the only thing separating him from the villains. Because he's not a hero (blah blah dark knight), he's a lunatic who happens to only go after bad guys. A good showcase of this is in "The killing joke".
it's not some arbitrary rule he has to follow because he's the good guy, like it is for superman. It's because if once he does kill, he can no longer be the batman.
>>69190850
I think someone may have cracked why its ridiculous to get so butt pained over something so stupid as a rule
>>69190871
no, that's just a dumb justification
he tried to kill the Joker multiple times too and only got stopped by other people
he ended up killing him in the current comic's run and for the rest he hasn't changed a bit
>>69179342
>Batman's One Rule
It's the most nonsensical shit ever. It's literally "Gee people really like the Joker, so we need an excuse to keep him around and maintain the status quo". Like how many fucking times can they lock him up in Arkham, have him break out and rack up a 4-figure bodycount, capture him and put him back in there so he can just do it again? It's fucking irresponsible.
>>69190654
KEK
she sound adorabledad still around ? ;)
>>69191025
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!! IF BATMAN KILLED THE JOKER HE WOULD IN TURN *BECOME* THE JOKER!! OR SOMETHING!!!!!
>>69191025
It's just dumb, same for the "he is just crazy like his villains!" meme
>>69190968
>kill the Joker multiple times too and only got stopped by other people
he was still stopped...other times he stopped himself.
>he ended up killing him in the current comic's run
when? dark knight returns? it's not canon and even if it was he actually does stop being batman.
>>69191137
wait is this canon?? was his dad having an affair??
>>69191171
>it's not canon
that's the thing about comics, they quickly all become non-canon because there's so many different authors and stories and they don't give a shit that it doesn't make in-universe sense on an established character.
>>69179535
He really hasnt tho
I always figured he tries not to kill whenever possible. He does not use lethal weapons, only blunt force that is meant to disable. If they die from complications it's not his concern.
>>69191171
Snyder's run.
He fights the Joker in a cave and keeps him still while the cave crumbles on them killing them both.
They are now back but he still thinks he killed the Joker.
>>69191138
>implying batman isn't crazy
he literally became batman in the same way the joker became the joker. bruce wayne is almost like a psuedo-identity he uses to fund himself now.
the guy is crazy whether he kills people or not.
>>69191202
this
like there are so many different story and shit, only a couple core elements are intact like his parents got killed etc
how the fuck do people even know which one is canon?
>>69191242
That's Snyder's run, friend. Every author has their own interpretation of the character :^)
The reason neither Batman nor Superman kills is because they're cartoons for kids
>>69191025
The problem is that Batman has to follow that rule or he's just being a hypocrite. Rather than fight off people, he might as well just straight up murder them whenever he gets a chance.
This is exactly why Rorschach exist. He's Batman without gadgets pushed to the extreme of what he saw who just decided to kill people because it's efficient.
This is also the reason why Rorschach is more intimidating than Batman. Batman has to be inches from killing a person and never completely fucking up a person. Rorschach would just completely break a man's fingers pointless then try with someone else until he got answers. If you compare Batman's holding a guy off a cliff and a guy who's torturing you pointlessly, Rorschach is more dangerous and gets better results.
Yes, it's used as a meta reason for villains to stay alive but even the Joker breaks that rule by endlessly finding himself in situations where he should have died but keeps never dying because fuck logic.
>>69191253
i love batman and i completely agree
the dude is amazing but he isn't completely right in the head compare to the average normal human
even in the 2nd movie rachel told him that bruce wayne is his mask and batman is the real him
>>69179342
Not killing is a pretty important part of Batman's character. It's what separates him from other vigilantes like the Red Hood and Phantasm.
>>69191323
he's a bad vigilante, always letting the joker survive, knowing he's going to escape and kill more people. he'd rather more kids without rich parents lose their lives and have fucked up lives just for his stupid, assbackwards, didn't-actually-think-about-it-for-a-second moral code
>>69191138
Not really, Batman just had one bad day.
>>69191025
Also, it's not really Batman's fault that criminals keep escaping Arkham. He's just the guy doing the langery. It's not his fault if the garbage disposal keeps fucking up and leaking back in the streets. Everyone knows Akharm is a joke where everyone keeps finding a way to get out because stories wouldn't be interesting if villains couldn't do interesting things.
Though Joker has a reason for endlessly escaping, namely that he's smart enough to just bullshit his escape where putting him in maximum security still does nothing.
>>69191253
I prefer the interpretations where he isn't, to be honest.
"He is just crazy" kinda cheapens him.
And he really wasn't portrayed as such during O'Neil or Morrison's run.
>>69191271
well, it's the current canon continuity
>>69191242
he didn't kill him, they fought til exhaustion and the roof caves in.
>>69191202
they make non-canon stories specifically so they can create stories that don't make sense for the character i.e. a killing batman and still be able to keep the status quo.
>>69191371
>knowing he's going to escape and kill more people.
That's not his problem. Batman's missing is to reduce crime without bring a criminal. 'Doing it by the books' is how Batman has to do it or else he could cause more damage than prevent.
The truth is that Gotham is a city where crime never stops. Before Batman, it was fucked as shit and Batman suppresed crime a bit to the point of almost eliminated it. The city didn't like that and threw up supervillains to cause even more crime. People say that Batman is the reason why there are supervillains in Gotham but it's only half the truth. The city itself is the root of the problem. Endlessly creating crime where if Batman went rogue and killed all the villains, new ones would sure come up.
But narratively, you obviously don't want to create new villains all the time, which is why Batman can't kill.
>>69191419
why does it cheapen him? if anything it's what makes him as a character and seperates him from other heroes. it's why he's one of the most iconic characters of DC and why it has been the only one where a dark movie has worked. A batman who's just a guy trying to make the world a better place is almost as boring as superman.
>>69185990
You dont kill him still he is in a cell on life support if you choose to destroy the pit.
>>69191523
Yeah, but without any more Lazarus he's bound to die very soon.
>>69191510
Because ''he's crazy'' is a poor excuse and description of everything Batman does. If you think about it, dressing up like a bat and spending millions to fight crime is crazy, but Bruce never acted irrationally in his insanity to the point of being called crazy. His process of becoming Batman was born out of his desire to destroy crime and create fear, not out of insanity.
>A batman who's just a guy trying to make the world a better place is almost as boring as superman.
But that's basically what Batman is, just with more edge and determination without going overboard.
>>69191503
>The city itself is the root of the problem
Ra's al Ghul was RIGHT
BURN GOTHAM DOWN, MAKE GOTHAM GREAT AGAIN
>>69191579
Not batmans problem thats just nature taking its course.
>>69191631
I never get why Batman is considered crazy for dressing like a bat and fighting crime but Green Arrow doing the same while dressed like Robin Hood is fine, or Batwoman and all the other not super powered heroes
>>69191710
Sounds a lot like America.
>>69191732
Thing is, in Arkham City it was already established that he was willing to cure Joker of his disease. They're essentially the same scenario, so why would Batman change?
>>69191738
i don't think it is crazy desu
there are legit reasons behind the suit like the symbol of the bat, gadget in the helmet, utility belt, cape that can protect you from a lot of shit
i don't even know what the fuck is green arrow suit server him beside cosplaying
>>69179342
Because it's a gay rule
>>69191771
he wasn't going to, he only said it to mock Joker
the hallucination even mocks him about this because he knows that's the truth
>>69191771
Key word DISEASE Ras is old as hell his time needed to come. Joker had a man made disease which does not deal in the realm of immortality. Plus joker was going to die on the spot where as ras would be able to live off life support.
>>69191710
Hell, it's also basically the truth of The Dark Knight movie. Batman is working with Gordon and Harvey to basically fuck the mafia over. Everyone is runing scared and they all know it. And what comes out of nowhere? The Joker. And he arguable causes more destruction, more crime, more chaos than before Batman stepped in. The more crime is eliminated from Gotham, the more it pushes back with more crime and supervillains.
Ra's was right except that he was willing to create more crime until the city ate itself whole. That wouldn't have solved the problem since you have to burn Gotham down entirely.
>>69191738
Because Batman is more popular, duh. Though it could just be argued that everyone is crazy, which is basically what Watchmen says about people who decide to become superheroes. And it should also be mentioned that being a superhero is fun as fuck.
>>69191866
But can we trust the hallucination? I guarantee you that was just the Joker being butthurt that his death was his own damn fault and wanted to blame Batman.
Also nice dubs
Sixty years later, and nerds still try to justify "no kill rules" for superheroes, acting as if brand/character recognition and cheap longevity isn't the real purpose.
Fuck, you guys are an easy market.
>>69191922
I'd like to see you try and create good villains endlessly.
>>69191920
well the hallucinations plays off Batman's fears so there must be some truth in it, he probably did consider not giving him the cure but never got the chance to actually decide
>>69191988
Then again, the hallucination also tells him that he visited Talia in Hell then fucked her, so you have to take it with a grain of salt.
Way I interpret it, Batman briefly considered not giving him the cure, but eventually decided that he would.
>>69180891
Nolan only cares about amorality or the best of the competing ideals, it was you who interpreted this as the strictest of batman's rules.
>>69192141
He still shouldn't have let Ra's die at the end though.
>>69191946
>endlessly
Like I said, easy market.
Do you see what you just did there? You outed yourself as the type of person who not only likes the status quo, but expect the same characters going through the same motions over and over again.
You know how people talk about crap like "canon, alternate universes, elseworlds, and timelines?" You know how they tend to favor familiar tropes of specific media, or praise anything that follows most of the familiar rounds but deviates in a few aspects regardless of quality? Nerds always want to latch onto something familiar and want it to never move on. If the media they consume did so, then that means that the consumers would have to move on to different things as well. And that's their worst fear: following something mundane and irrelevant to the real world for so long and then stopping, putting their finances and personal priorities in perspective.
People don't have make endless content about the same characters and stories, they could just tell stories that end and move on to different ones. But that would go against a successful business model.
Escapism and repetition is a goldmine.
>>69191025
When you put it like that, why doesn't the justice system/Arkham execute these villains then? The Batman defenders have a point, why is it Batman's responsibility to murder these criminals? He brings them to justice time and time again, at a certain point it should be the justice system's duty to execute them.
>>69191137
Isn't his mom dead, meme ruined
>>69191421
>he didn't kill him, they fought til exhaustion and the roof caves in.
he prevented him from escaping knowing the cave was going to collapse on them, that's murder/suicide
>>69192617
>Nerds always want to latch onto something familiar and want it to never move on.
That's such a lie I don't even know where to begin. Comic book fans are fine with character develpment and an ever growing story but they're not fine with hard reboots solely for the sake of cheap publicity or to streamline things for unimaginative writers.
Off the top of my head I can count at least 4 hard DC reboots and some of those fans are still buying, reading and collecting issues that will become meaningless once Rebirth hits the shelves. And they'll buy those too.
>>69191242
>He fights the Joker in a cave and keeps him still while the cave crumbles on them killing them both.
>They are now back but he still thinks he killed the Joker.
Remind me to never read a comic book
>>69192141
Not sure what you mean by this. What I interpreted to be Batman's rule (not killing anyone), was actually just a rejection of all morality?
>>69192617
>You outed yourself as the type of person who not only likes the status quo, but expect the same characters going through the same motions over and over again.
Did you see what you did? You were unable to provide sufficient affirmation that you had the skill to create new original characters rather than your view of the familiar. You mistakenly conflated endlessly with continuously.
If Batman kills the Joker, will you have the writing capabilities to create a new original villain that outmatches his personality and deeds?
>Escapism and repetition is a goldmine.
Hahaha. All art is escapism with repetition of archetypes and tropes, as there is nothing new under the sun. You paint yourself as the greedy capitalist who abuses the system for gain yet you don't understand the system or the market in any way.
>>69191068
Nah he's RIP.
Stay away from me mum, anon.
>>69179342
>Batman's one rule
>killing
Fuck off.
>>69194936
I'm here to stay, friend :^)
