The Hand of Fear edition. Goodbye, Sarah Jane.ELDRAD MUST LIVE
Destroyed by "a case of energy squared", whatever the fuck that means: >>69120722
>>69147367
don't forget me
>>69147420
No anon, don't you forget me.
>>69147367
I remember the special effects in this were really good at making the hand look like it was a disembodied hand moving on its own but really bad at making it look like it was made of stone.
>>69147367
An honest slut. Back on the Managra wagon in about 3 hours! Reminder that book club, thoraxtime and tiny plastic robots.
secondary control room is pretty comfy
List of planets 12 has been to:
Earth
Last planet at the end of the universe in Listen
Unnamed sand planet in the beginning of Time Heist
Karabraxos
The Moon
Unnamed Planet at the beginning of Dark Water
Unnamed Planet at the end of Last Christmas
Skaro
Gallifrey
Is he the one with the less planet variety? It's just fucking ridiculous. And I added fucking ridiculous planets we see for 10 seconds in some episodes.
>>69147851
>Series 9 had a grand total of three different planets being Earth, Skaro and Gallifrey
>none of them are new
>none of them are even New-Who 'old'
Jesus fucking Christ Moffat.
>>69147851
>list of planets
>the moon
YOU PHUCKING IDIOT !!!
>>69147851
>Is he the one with the less planet variety?
Nine only ever goes to Earth in Series 1. The farthest he gets is the space station in The End of the World.
>>69147851
>excepting planets in nuwho
literally every doctor is earth based
>>69147914
It's like he was getting sick of creating new material and going with status quo and what the audience expected of him.
How does his planet variety compare with other Doctors? I know 3, 4, 8, and maybe 10 and had more variety in planets? What about with 9?
>I'm lazy, sorry
>>69147914
I know right?
>>69147969
Some autist would have said "You forgot the Moon" so I added it so as not to engage into an argument whether its a planet or not because I can't care less. Also to round up the count because it's pretty fucking pathetic.
>>69147989
Well he only had one series.
>>69147851
Nine is the worst, he never even left the Solar System
>>69147989
>Satellite 5
>Game Station
>End of the World space station
Hell, at least it isn't Skaro or Gallifrey and we got a couple of different things. And he went to America.
>>69148124
fuck me satellite 5 and End of World space station are the same whoops.
So >>69148073 is mostly right. But then again 9 has 13 episodes, Capaldi has more than double that
>>69148039
10 had a fuck ton of planets.
>>69148056
Yeah I just don't know what Moffat wanted to do here. Plus the Earth locations aren't interesting either. It's either England or a water base (in Scotland).
Oh it's pretty pathetic compared to 10 and 11. Only 9 had fewer planets (just one actually, Earth).
>>69148073
Yeah but he only was here one series.
>>69148073
He never got further than orbit.
>>69148175
>10 had a fuck ton of planets.
lol no he didn't
Do you guys seriously watch Doctor Who to see people walk around quarries and CG backgrounds or run through corridors the dialogue tells you are on another planet? Who cares how many stories are Earth-based?
>>69148124
>And he went to America.
huh?
>>69147851
You forgot Mendorax Dellora and Darillium. The first is a disguised Trap Street so I don't know if it counts.
>>69148188
>New Earth
>The planet around the black hole on Impossible Planet/Satan Pit
>Pete's world
>Planet of the Ood
>Mars
>That planet where the fish people and his "Daughter" were
>Cargo ship in 42
>Planet at end of universe with Master
I'm likely forgetting many of them. But there is already more right there in like 4 seasons.
>>69148209
Exactly. If the story is good who gives a damn where it's set.
>>69148221
Area 51, Dalek.
I think the only time the filming crew left Britain with 10 was to film in Croatia for the Pompeii episode.
>>69148312
Don't forget Midnight.
>>69148188
Yes he did.
New Earth
Parallel Earth
The Impossible Planet
The Moon (counts for 12 so it should for 10 too)
Malcassairo
Oodsphere
Messaline
The Library
Midnight
Planet of the Dead
Mars
>>69148387
>>69148312
>>69148188
Kek anon got BTFO
>>69148318
>>69148209
Despite it being cheesy, I really enjoyed Ahkatan for that reason in Eleven's tenure. Even though it was cheesy practical effects and awful CGI, it still gave the vibe of being on another planet. Didn't need Eleven to tell me explicitly.
The Sensorites had awful effects as did the Cybermen on Telos, but you still got the otherworldly vibe.
The Doctor is an alien that travels throughout time and space. Why shouldn't I expect a different planet once in a while where the main theme of the show is the universe?
The series achieved this lots in its extensive 50 year history. Why not do the same?
>>69148175
>he only was here one series.
10, 11 and 12 all had at least one alien planet in their first series though. RTD was pretty ReTarDed to not send 9 to at least one alien planet desu.
>>69148356
They filmed Pompeii in Italy, I'm sure of that because RTD's book mentions it. Also they went to Dubai for Planet of the Dead.
I think Vampires of Venice was in Croatia.
>>69148318
When a TV show has the ability to set a story literally anywhere in the Universe at anytime it gets pretty tiring when most episodes end up being set on Earth.
>>69148387
Oh and I forgot Earth, since it counts for 12 too. And these are "just" the planets where an entire episode is set not just some cameo like half of those in 12's list.
>>69148551
I think they had literally no budget. I mean the first alien planet we see is New Earth and all we see is literally a PNG with flying cars.
>>69148593
I agree with that.
But then, three of my favorite seasons (season 7, season 26 and series 1) are set entirely on Earth or thereabouts, so at times I don't know what to think.
>>69148593
Because muh story is good can justify ANYTHING even unoriginal setting. It's terrible. Series 5 had 11 go "All of time and space - everything that ever happened or ever will" and Series 9 ends up having three planets, including 2 where they weren't planning to go to or arrived by accident.
>>69147851
I hope Capaldi stays on with Chibnall. Moffat's really screwed him over so far.
>>69148576
I really want to visit Croatia since things have calmed down since the 90s. I've heard its just as beautiful as Italy and half the price and half as annoying people and tourists.
>Dubai for Planet of the Dead
Goddamn did they blow all their budget on that? It is so expensive there and they nickel and dime. There are much cheaper places to film in the desert.
>>69148694
>Because muh story is good can justify ANYTHING even unoriginal setting
What?
>>69148771
I'm kidding m8
>>69148694
Series 5 had 1 planet senpai
>>69148732
>implying chibnall isn't going to get a budget cut and every episode is going to be set in Bill's apartment
>>69148801
True but at least it was a new one.
>>69148694
>Because muh story is good can justify ANYTHING even unoriginal setting
Yes?
>Series 9 ends up having three planets, including 2 where they weren't planning to go to or arrived by accident.
Season 1 is even worse, they only went to three alien planets (Skaro, Marinus and the Sense Sphere) and ALL of them were accidental. What a bunch of phucking bullshit!
Reminder this is an actual scene from series 10:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaLficIRInM
A pot noodle is only 52% noodles. What a fraud amirite?
>>69148866
>comparing a 1963 show with literally 1000£ per episode to a 2015 show with +500.000£ per episode
Yeah right. Fuck off.
>>69148694
>where they weren't planning to go or arrived by accident
>arrived by accident
You're complaining about this in Doctor Who? This has been the case for fifty goddamn years.
I'll bet Four's little bit with the randomizer drove you nuts.
Capaldi will leave with Moffat, as will Bill.
Doesn't matter what they say, have my personal guarantee this will happen.
The BBC will want a younger Doctor. I'm sorry, but it's just FACT !!! Especially after piss poor ratings for the dire last series and Series 8.
I adore the classic series, but the days of older Doctors have gone - and I'm sorry to say it, I really am.
The show needs to be revitalized and REFRESHED. That means STOP BRINGING BACK CLASSIC MONSTERS FOR NO REASON.
NEW WORLDS.
NEW ENEMIES.
NEW STORIES.
The show needs to be FUN again - THATS why people ADORED the Tennant era - IT WAS FUN.
The series' since then have been dark, gloomy and they've taken themselves FAR too seriously.
>>69148939
Nah.
>Andy, how did all this begin?
>Every time we start with a part like this you’re sort of starting again. Often with Doctor Who, we’re planning for such a major part – but it hasn’t even been written yet.
>Steven wrote some scenes to give us a good steer for the part of Bill, one of which ended up being only a slightly adjusted version of the clip we filmed for the announcement.
>>69148982
>Tennant era-- IT WAS FUN
I guess you missed all the episodes where he waxed poetic about being the Last Time Lord and the Oncoming Storm
Tennant had just as many serious stories as romps, like Capaldi. Most of One's tenure was serious, the cheesy effects made it seem less so. But every story took on a very serious vibe and excluding the ridiculous swordfight, weren't really romps
>>69148970
Oh that's not even why I'm complaining. They didn't decide to go to Skaro, they were taken there by force. 12 arrived on Gallifrey by accident. The point being: they were never seen on another planet going like "Show me some new planet" but by force of events. And we know 12 knows how to fly the TARDIS.
>>69149008
Thank fuck for that.
>>69148982
I know you're b8ing but it's somehow true and you guys know it
>>69148982
>STOP BRINGING BACK CLASSIC MONSTERS FOR NO REASON.
They haven't done this since Day of the Doctor (and you could argue that "it's the 50th anniversary" is a good reason to bring back classic monsters.)
>>69148982
>The show needs to be revitalized and REFRESHED
>Chris Chibnall
>>69149008
YES I REALLY THOUGHT MOFFAT HAD LOST IT
>>69149164
>not being hype for the Chibnall golden age
You're all going to look like fools when the quality of series 10 blows everyone away and catapults Doctor Who back to being a national treasure.
>>69149054
OH DO PHUCK OFF. I AM SICK OF BEING HUNG, DRAWN AND CONTRADICTED BY PEOPLE ON HERE EVERY TIME I MAKE A BLOODY POST.
I wasn't aware this was Gallifrey Base.
You simply cannot compare the First and Tenth Doctors. THEY ARE INCOMPARABLE !!!
The First Doctor era was about science and education.
At least the Tenth and First Doctor's era could bring in the kids and a consistent audience. CAPALDI'S HAS NOT.
I'm sorry but the Capaldi era has so far been a fucking FLOP - and you purists are too infatuated to admit it - even when presented with the viewing figures.
>>69149138
>what are the Daleks
>Missy
>Cybermen
>Davros
>Zygons
>>69149212
>series 10
Yes, we know Moffat is going to pull it off. It's Series 11 we're worried about.
>>69149215
calm down ian you're gonna give yourself a heart attack
>>69149224
Tennant's era used all of them. Smith's only used 2 not including the 50th.
>>69149224
Using the Daleks, Cybermen and Zygons post-DTD isn't "bringing back a classic monster" it's "continuing to use a monster that never really went away." As far as Missy and Davros are concerned, they'd been gone a few years I guess but the show found new and interesting things to do with them.
>>69149322
>Tennant's era used all of them.
Objectively false.
>Missy
Hmm. Where was Missy in Tennant's era? We had the Master - but not Missy.
>Cybermen
WRONG AGAIN. They were Cybusmen. From a parallel universe.
>Davros
For a few scenes.
>Zygons
WRONG.
AGAIN.
>>69149442
>Missy counts as bringing back a Classic monster
>but the Simm Master doesn't count as Missy
>>69149442
>>69149322
>>69149543
RTD's era was the first one after the wilderness, It makes sense to bring back the 'big hits' , like a band doing a reunion tour.
Moffat has ggone on and used all the same classic monsters/villains as well but at least he invented the angels and Silence, with mixed results granted
>>69149543
THEY'RE DIFFERENT FUCKING GENDERS !!!
OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT THE SAME !!!
>>69149682
You realise you just posted that in a Hand of Fear thread?
>>69149759
OH SHUT THE PHUCK UP YOU RETARDED PURIST !!!
its a 4th Doctor villain is bought back episode.
>>69149759
Reminder that Eldrad was literally aGENDERFLUID GENIUS.
>>69148982
Yay!!
AND 4 TIMES THE CURRENT BUDGET!! Sod it, 100 times the current budget!! Hugh Lawrie as Thirteen, and Emma Watson as companion! Let's be realistic here!
>>69150268
>Hugh Lawrie as the doctor
>Emma Watson as the companion
I think you've got that the wrong way round.
>>69150337
Hmmm
>>69149843
Fun fact: the EU brought back the main villain of every Fourth Doctor story up to Image of the Fendahl, with the only exception of The Face of Evil.
>>69150764
>Face of Evilwell they did bring back the 4th doctor
hang on, what about robot? ,did they bring back that facist group or the robot itself?
>>69150764
But I remember hearing about a PDA or something where they explain why Xoanon had 4's face.
>>69150871
>hang on, what about robot? ,did they bring back that facist group or the robot itself?
The robot.
>>69150914
Not that I know of, and TARDIS Wiki doesn't mention it. But I suppose in a way Xoanon came back.The Master pretends to be Xoanon to Leela in an audio story.
>>69151054
ok, thats deep Who
>>69151095
Does anyone have the iceberg chart of Doctor Who obscurity?
>>69150871
>>69151054
Both actually then, the nazi woman is in the BF Sarah Jane series.
>>69151140
Oh, true that.
>>69151054
nvm it was just the novelisation.
Is Broadchurch any good?
>>69151129
Dunno if this is the latest version or not
>>69152134
Maybe.
>>69152134
No, now
>>69147367
I like the beginning, when the Doctor and Sarah walk around a quarry ignoring the alarm going off like dumbasses, then the cliff blows up and buries Sarah in rubble. So they call and ambulance and she's taken to the hospital. It's more frightening than any of the hand stuff because everyone's reactions are so realistic compared to most of the show.
Ok /who/ tonight's challenge is to explain why series 9 was rated so highly with critics yet was met with lower viewing figures.Hard mode: Capaldis age the timeslot and advertising can't be mentioned.
>>69153474
The plots were more self-referential. Technically, if you didn't know about Davros, Missy, and if you missed key dialogue in the beginning, you could be extremely confused by that episode. For casual viewers, it might seem like a bunch of random events.
2) Some viewers may have been put off by the serious turmoil of S8's episodes for the characters. Season 8 was not always comfort food--it was full of experiments, both in terms of character and plot. Some people might have been put off by that.
>>69153706
>The plots were more self-referential. Technically, if you didn't know about Davros, Missy, and if you missed key dialogue in the beginning, you could be extremely confused by that episode. For casual viewers, it might seem like a bunch of random events.
So people who haven't really watched the show before stopped watching because they didn't know what was going on and that impacted the viewing figures?
>2) Some viewers may have been put off by the serious turmoil of S8's episodes for the characters. Season 8 was not always comfort food--it was full of experiments, both in terms of character and plot. Some people might have been put off by that.
I can't prove this wrong, but I would argue that the focus on Clara and her love life outside the Doctor, more so than any previous series was a defining factor.
>>69153474
People are just taking the show for granted. The 50th has been and gone, NuWho has been on telly over ten years now and it doesn't seem like the "must watch" program it did back in 2005. The 2018 reboot with Chibnall and presumably a new, young Doctor will give it a shot in the arm, but as far as Series 9 goes, inevitably people get bored with the show because it's just always there. What, 11 years now? Pretty good run. Normies aren't going to make a point of catching every episode of an eleven-year-old show no matter how good the writing is.
Fucking plebs.
Reminder that Amy is the only pure girl companion
Remember last thread where someone kept aggressively posting screenshots of S9 and sarcastically saying how bad the colours were? But almost all of the pictures they posted were visually uninteresting and dominated by a single colour? That was weird.
>>69153474
who cares desu?
>>69153907
>So people who haven't really watched the show before stopped watching because they didn't know what was going on and that impacted the viewing figures?
Davros had only ever been in one episode of the new series, in 2008. You can hardly expect most audiences to be knowledgeable of him. You could have been watching the show for years and have no clue who he is.
>>69154178
gareth please
>>69154178
in the Bill intro video on You Tube I remember seeing a comment from some none-britbong whom was wondering if the UK was 30% Black.
That is the impression you might get from this show, Asians really are under-represented on DW. to sound like a SJW for a second.
>>69153474
>actual likely contributing factors can't be mentioned
That literally just sounds like "Please tell me what I want to hear". Goodness knows the promotion of S9 was terrible.
It is just a fact of life that an episode like Heaven Sent can be the best thing ever and still get mediocre viewing figures (and AI) because it doesn't have screamingly populist appeal.
>>69154197
>dominated by a single colour?
>sound of goalposts shuffling rapidly
>>69154344
>in DW
In general. Blacks make up like 13% of the U.S and yet you'd think that they were 50% with all the bitching about representation in the media.
>>69154373
I wasn't at all involved in the argument from before so I'm not sure what goalposts I'm shifting. I just found it odd that someone was posting images that were meant to be impressive colours and they were all just one colour basically lol
>>69154377
>Blacks
gareth my boy it's time to go!
>>69154419
As a counterargument to "S9 had no colour it was washed out!", an image dominated by one colour seems no less valid than one with significant range.
>>69154442
Who the fuck is Gareth. And what do you call them? Afro-Americans?
>>69154348
>I can't mention my meme arguments.
Cry harder.
>>69154578
>meme arguments.
>>69154457
I wonder if this progressive stuff would be as strong if the BBC wasn't licensed funded.
perhaps it would be the same, It's just how our culture goes.
>>69154489
>Who the fuck is Gareth
The patron saint of /who/
>>69155006
Hmmmm.
>>69154442
I love this comment. Feels like something a jolly old man would say while Gareth has drunk too many drinks in the pub.
>>69154489
>Who the fuck is Gareth
Mediocre writer who ascended to meme status after being erased from Doctor Who and talking all kinds of shit on his twitter.
>>69154489
>Who the fuck is Gareth
Pic related. THAT'S Gareth.
>>69155353
Are you sure that's not one of those afro people?
>>69155223
>mediocre
Now, now, he may be a little racist. But he's still one of the best writers of Four and Romana ever.
>>69155480
Too bad The Shakespeare Code is phucking trash.
>>69155223
What shit?
>>69155580
Politically incorrect beliefs and dissing certain aspects of the current show.
>ywn see Gareth's new episode "Death to the Darkies"
>>69155480
The Plotters was surprisingly good too, considering he's not really known for Hartnell Who.
>>69155697
Didn't he tell Patrick Ness to fuck off?
>>69156032
>Didn't he tell Patrick Ness to fuck off?
I don't think so. He was kind of rude though.
>implying the lodger wasnt based
>>69155697
I can't find anything, anyone have links/screen shots?
>mfw people thought the care taker was racist because the doctor didn't unconditionally approve of claras choice of bang buddy
>black man and white woman? you cannot disapprove of this
>>69156568
>mfw anon posts "mfw" but doesn't post a face
I wish cloister would fuck off already. He acts like he runs WHO
>>69147851
The space train
The shadow proclamation
Was time heist set on earth?
>>69156982
Time Heist was on Karabraxos.
>>69152233
I've seen Do You Have A Licence To Save This Planet, Shakedown: Return of the Sontarans, every DVD extra for every story I've seen, and I've read all the TARDIS Wikia entries, even the bit where everybody argues about discontinuity.
I've also written at least four pieces of music about the show, learned the main theme, Amy's Theme, I Am The Doctor, To Save The Doctor, Bah Bah Biker and the sting that plays when the Sontarans invade Gallifrey on guitar, and i mention the show in daily conversation.
How deep am I?
>>69157330
>and I've read all the TARDIS Wikia entries
Even the one for "Turkey Baster"?
>>69157330
>I've read all the TARDIS Wikia entries
What do you mean "all the TARDIS wikia entires"?
>>69157330
>I've also written at least four pieces of music about the show blah blah blah
Whoa homeslice none of this qualifies as depth. Any old Youtuber can write cringey music.
It's increasingly obscure fan literature or nothing m8.
>>69157594
It clearly means "all the entries on TARDIS Wikia" you dumb gobshite
>>69157699
>It clearly means "all the entries on TARDIS Wikia" you dumb gobshite
That would be reasonable to assume if there weren't tens of thousands of entries.
I've just seen a few eps of season 2 and David Tennant is a big step down from Christopher Eccleston so far. Why is Tennant so popular? Does he get better? And why did Eccleston only do a single season?
>>69158878
>Why is Tennant so popular?
Plebs.
>Does he get better?
IMO yes.
>why did Eccleston only do a single season?
Some kind of conflict with the in charge at the BBC.
ELDRAD MUST LIVE
>>69157564
>>69157594
>>69157699
>>69157786
Sorry, I meant that to read as "I have read all the TARDIS wikia entries for the episodes I have seen" as well as the wiki pages
ELDRAD
MUST
LIVE
Apparently the Evil of the Daleks novelisation was 75th most popular out-of-print book last year
http://www.abebooks.com/books/features/100-most-searched-out-of-print-books-2015.shtml
>>69152134
Season 1 was very good, season 2 not so good.
The American remake, Gracepoint, was shite.
>despite the fact that by any sane measure Doctor Who had been more successful than Star Trek had been up through the late 80s, Doctor Who fans were by and large insistent that it should act more like Star Trek. They got their wish, and the show proceeded to immediately become as successful as Star Trek had been: cancelled.
Sick burn.
>>69163312
did who fans really want the show to be more like star track back in the day?
>>69163312
>Classic Who was cancelled because it was too much like Star Trek
>>69163556
forgot pic
>>69156032
>The Plotters was surprisingly good too, considering he's not really known for Hartnell Who.
It was written well but the whole comedic subplot where Vicki is trying not to get raped by the king and the Doctor doesn't make any effort to help her or even shows he cares was a bit much.
But that's gareth for you!
>>69163364
As a Trekkie first and a Whovian second, I would not want Dr Who to be more like Star Trek. I have Star Trek for that.
>>69164242
>Trekkie
>Whovian
>>69164264
Do you have a problem with me using those terms? Tough shit. They're commonly accepted names for the fandoms.
>>69164322
>>69164322
>identifying yourself by something as trivial as a TV show you watch
>>69164353
Nice meme response there, buddy. You sure told me.
>>69164396
>>69164389
You may as well piss and whine about how silly it is to identify yourself by something as trivial as age, race, gender, sexual orientation or any number of other things.
>>69164435
>what tv show you watch is just as important to your identity as age, race, gender, and sexual orientation
>>69164465
Why not? It's part of what makes you you.
Is it that time of the day when we post our Matts already?
>>69164500
>>69164435
Age is not trivial
race is not trivial
gender is not trivial
sexual orientation is somewhat trivial
typical leftie
>>69164617
Whatever. I will continue to identify as a Trekkie or a Whovian when appropriate. If that rustles your jimmies, then that is entirely your problem. Also most Trekkies and Whovians are liberals so calling me a typical leftie is a bit redundant.
>>69164686
does this man trigger you?
>>69164686
>>69164731
How did we get to the point where both sides of this conversation are really embarrassing?
>>69164731
No, I don't watch "reality" TV.
>>69164890
It started when we logged on to /who/ desu senpai.
>>69164913
>logging on
>a website with no accounts
>>69153706
Series 8 was cosy as fuck. Opener and finale aside, series 9 was dogshit.
>>69164976
>being this much of a pedantic prick
Has anyone here listened to Big Finish's Cyberman or Dalek Empire series? If so, would you recommend them?
>>69165140
>Has anyone here listened to Big Finish
no
>>69165043
But the opener and Hell Bent were some of the worst aspects of S9...
>>69165309
If you have shittest pleb taste
>>69165243
Oh right. Must be only NuWho plebs here at the moment. I'll check back in later.
>>69165463
>>69165493
take a look at this
>>69165498
When did 11 wear a stovepipe hat? Or is that not from dr who? Also, has 12 worn any hats?
>>69165531
>canon
>literally saying that one piece of fiction is realer than another
>literal autism
>>69165569
i'm glad you could enjoy my picture before you left
>>69165569
Caring about which stories are worth your time is not autism
>>69165638
Left? Who's leaving?
>>69165677
>Deciding a story is not worth your time based solely on how "canon" it is
>>69147710
Why would anyone call saint Sladen a slut?
>>69165799
You'd have to ask Lord Byron. Reminder that BookClub/Managra
>>69165862
I was wondering about the source of that meme.
>>69165862
heh
I assume she dressed for Rio.
>>69165734
oh, you indicated you were leaving the thread. my mistake
>>69165901
>Assuming the anon who replied to your shitposting is the anon you were shitposting to
>>69165879
I've nearly lol'd a couple of times reading it thus far. I managed to stifle it to a small snort though.
>>69165889
A 'Shalonarian beach’.
>>69165948
okay
>>69166003
Indeed it is. I am glad we can agree on something.
>>69166092
Young Sladen was pretty but old Sladen was sexy.Not as sexy as old Jameson though.
>>69166313
little trashy for me, desu senpai.
but whatever ices your rocks.lifetime love worthy
>>69166487
>Mommy Lis will never cradle you to her warm bosom and stroke your hair
Why live?
>>69166593
>Why live?
Season 11 of Doctor Who by Chris Chibnall
Hey hey read Managra. There's a bunch of catholic official guys that I have trouble connecting their names with their actions. So that's fun.
Also why did Sarah dress like a child in hand of fear. it's qt outfit but really highlights how not defined Sarah as a character was. Something something honest slut.
welcome back err'body
>>69166717
Anon said "Why live" not "Why die".
>>69166717
It'll probably be bollocks desu senpai. Plus we still gotta get through one more season of Moffat first.
did tv/ not work for anyone else for a while?
>>69166821
what're you talking about?
>>69166821
tv board appearred blank and who/ didnt update
>>69166821
4chan as a whole was frozen
probably CP or something
>>69166821
Yeah, connection error. I was unable to post for around two hours.
As chin was down, I whiled the time at reddit.com/r/gallifrey.
Such a warm community of like minded Whovians!
>>69166910
it happens somewhat often, like once or twice a month
>>69165140
I've listened to them.
Cyberman is the story of a conflict between humanity and androids that is being manipulated by the Cybermen for their own ends. Season 1 is pretty decent, season 2 is better.
Dalek Empire is the kind of story about rebels fighting Daleks that Briggs can't get enough of doing, though it's done better here than in most of his Doctor Who stories, mostly thanks to some real moral ambiguity. Seasons 1 and 4 are OK, season 2 is really good and season 3 is disappointing (though opinions vary: some people love the third season, I find it messy and overlong).
In the end, they're competently written but not outstanding. You should get them if you like that kind of story, otherwise there are spinoffs more worthy of your time.
Some Doctor Who audios tie into those series, but they aren't strictly necessary. If you're the kind of autist who has to listen to everything in the right order (i.e. me), Dalek Empire goes like this:
>Dalek Empire I
>Dalek Empire IV (takes place during I)
>Return of the Daleks (as above)
>Dalek Empire II
>Dalek Empire III
There's also a Dalek Empire short stories anthology, I haven't read it but I hear it's pretty good.
For Cyberman:
>Sword of Orion
>Kingdom of Silver/Keepsake
>Cyberman I
>Cyberman II
>>69167160
Thanks. I'll consider pre-ordering the Cyberman boxed set. I'd like to hear more about the Orion war.
>>69167285
Yeah, the opener and finale were also dog shit.
>>69156982
I said planets m8.
>>69147851
Shitty excel to the rescue
by stories not episodes though
>>69168210
thank you, I thought of this pic when this topic was first bought up, couldn't find it
>>69168210
Could use some shitty pie charts.
>>69167160
>season 2 is better
Nope. S2 killed it.
>>69167160
>In the end, they're competently written but not outstanding.
Only your opinion and evidently heavily biased by your distain for Briggs.
>>69168541
He said this because s2 was not written by Briggs. It's so obvious.
>>69168578
>>69168578
>heavily biased by your distain for Briggs.
So, biased by sanity? Sounds good to me.
I like alien planets as much as the next guy but I can understand that it's hard to write for them, especially in a 45 minute-setting. Would be interesting if they came up with one alien planet and then revisited that place over multiple episodes in order to fully explore it.
Say, in one episode there is a standard alien-story but with lots of elements still kept in mystery. Then two or three episodes later they revisit that planet (maybe a couple of years in the past or future) and in addition find out why the events of the first episode happened in the first place. Similarly to the Game Station now that I think about it.
Or maybe the Tardis breaks down and the Doctor is forced to stay on the planet for two or three episodes and accordingly has two or three different adventures in the similiar settings, learning a little about this alien culture and having to integrate himself into it.
>>69168541
>>69168578
>>69168675
I said I liked Dalek Empire 2. Good job, Nick. Thumbs up.
Now go to bed.
>>69169174
What is hard about writing an alien planet? I imagine it would be more appealing to write rather than Space Station #523 or whatever. I've also thought about a planet being used for 2 - 3 episodes too. All separate stories. Could be cool.
Also, the show is always "grounded" on modern Earth. They always visit it every now and then. It would be cool if they chose a different planet or time period for their grounding. Or even just a different part of the world.
>>69169174
That's why serials are subjectively a better format for DW.
>Why does The Doctor love earth so much?
>Capaldi: Budget
>>69169174
it would also mean they can spend more money, reused sets
>>69169268
Mostly it's about budget.
I believe there is also a fear that people will turn off if it's not Earth based.
The idea that aliens and planets is "silly" but the camp crap that Moffat et al make is fine is bizarre to me.
Maybe it's not "silliness" they fear but they fear world building is taking it too seriously?
>>69169268
Grounding is kinda stupid, but on the other hand, lots of alien planets in classics were basically Earth copies.
More disposable planets would be nice. But I'm not sure if planetary romance could sell properly.
>>69169405
>they can spend more money, reused sets
Didn't someone from the show say that they don't actually save money from reusing sets or did I make that up?
>>69169511
I don't know, I know they used a tactic where they would have a low budget episode like Boom Town so they could keep the effects for the finale.
>>69169511
I think it was the other way around, as in two-parters barely save them any money because they build new sets anyway. For example Time of Angels mostly takes place on the beach and in the cave while most of Flesh & Stone takes place in a forest and the spaceship, little to no recycling there.
>>69169859
He mad.
>>69169859
Wow. Gareth really is a fascist cunt.
In a two part story, part 2 is most likely to be the more expensive of the two as it has the big denouement.
RTD fully admitted HIS two part stories were not money savers because he put 6 billion Daleks etc in them.
The relative costs of two parters is entirely down to the demands of the script.
>>69169859
>I'm very placid really but I would like to eviscerate the creator of this meme with a small, and very blunt, knife.
I know that feel.
>>69169851
Moffat Who has a perverse tendency to have two parters with each part totally different from the other, making them either more expensive or the normal cost of two eps.
>>69169901
Fascist cunt or liberal pussy? Tough choice.
What about Libertarian asshole?
>>69169859
Fucking hell he really is one odious twat.
>>69153474
No new Doctor or new companion to entice casual viewers. Plus the Daleks back yet again in the 1st 2 eps (the general audience IS a tad bored of them now, whether we agree with them or not).
Also, broadcasting the 1st 2 eps at the same time as big live British rugby events on another channel didn't help.
>>69169433
>not sure if planetary romance could sell properly
The popularity of Guardians of the Galaxy may suggest otherwise
>>69170593
Shitty Missy back too quick.
Wacky guitar Doctor.
Christmas with Santa leaving some casuals with contempt for the show.
Clara still not gone after two near misses.
>>69170752
>Shitty Missy back too quick.
back once again for the renegade master!
Are you really hacked off?
kiss
my
>>69170593
>>69170752
>>69170881
Lurid headlines in the British press that Dark Water/ Death in Heaven was too disturbing for children to watch.
>>69169174
What? The Rings of Akhaten managed to give us a proper new planet feel with culture and shit and it was written in a month. Writers are just shit.
They should have put the Underwater two parter on another planet with hostile atmosphere meaning they can't leave the base. Simple.
>>69170752
I can't see the first 3 really mattering much in the ratings.
Clara though may have lost some people who were tired of her or something.
I see melanon or some other attention seeking parasite is back.
What a woefully unfunny little shit he is.
>>69170593
>Also, broadcasting the 1st 2 eps at the same time as big live British rugby events on another channel didn't help.
They aired the entire first half up to The Zygon Invasion against the rugby cup. It was dead on arrival. They thought it would be stronger than fucking rugby but it clearly isn't.
>>69171159
>can't see the first 3 really mattering much in the ratings.
Why? Those are all at least possible unless you are ignoring them because you wish to?
>>69171192
Why would Last Christmas leave casuals with contempt for the show? Wasn't the episode well received?
I do not accept the rugby excuse as figures didn't jump back to their previous numbers in the weeks after the rugby was over.
>>69171276
No. Many people I encountered thought it was complete shit.
>>69171293
That's because no one knew the show was back because there wasn't any promotion.
>>69171345
An absolute fabrication. Analysis of trailers was all over the internet for weeks.
The trailers were on BBC for ages beforehand.
>>69171276
Because "le inception ripoff"
