Is any version of this worth watching?
I thought it'd be cool. But I was wrong.
No, it's the worst movie currently in existence.
>>69074242
>>69074268
I've only seen the trailer and it was full fun looking action and stuff (what snyder is great at), but is it not worth watching at all?
>>69074177
How the fuck is that a fitting name for a fantasy movie, like what the hell were they thinking?
>>69074177
It is a pretty cool concept, but the sum of the parts isn't that great. The action vignettes are pretty cool.
I can usually see the good in a lot of movies, but man this is at the top of my list as the worst movie I have ever seen.
The 4 or 5 different setpieces are full of great action, cinematography and art direction, but they do not fit into the story at all, nor does the reality in a reality story make any sense itself. Its awfully bad written nonsense with lots of eye candy
>>69074177
There's more than one version of this shitty film?
My God.
>>69074294
lolno
>>69074177
No. It should have disqualified him from Man of Steel but Warner Bros. are fucking retards.
>>69074177
all versions are
the opening 5 minutes are insanely gorgeous and one of the best stretches of Snyder's career
plebs who hate Snyder also usually hate Richard Kelly, newer Michael Mann movies and Joseph Kahn, they generally don't know shit about film
>>69074792
Zack pls go
>>69074177
The directors cut is a great film as long as you're prepared to watch a very bleak, angry feminist screed against the sexism underpinning much of nerd culture. The narrative is based an a Lacanian triad of "Real", "Imaginary" and "Symbolic" so be prepared to interpret a great deal of imagery.
>>69074792
The dialogue is shit, the story doesn't make sense and it's basically just soft porn for weebs. No wonder you love it poindexter
>>69074177
Having seen Watchmen, MoS, and BvS, I'm more curious about this movie.
>>69074925
>caring about dialog
>caring about plot
literally the two best indications you're in conversation with a pleb
what will you move on to next I wonder. the characters don't have story arcs? stay pleb as fuck my man.
>>69074925
>The dialogue is shit, the story doesn't make sense and it's basically just soft porn for weebs. No wonder you love it poindexter
The dialogue is perfectly serviceable, the story makes perfect sense and it's the absolute opposite of "soft porn for weebs". No wonder you hate it since you can't even understand it.
>>69074967
oh ok
>>69074925
Movies are a visual medium you fucking queer
If you care about story read a book or kill yourself
>>69074967
>>69075045
>this small guy
>>69075045
this is why they're still making transformers movies
>>69075028
let me guess
you also hate Miami Vice and Blackhat right?
>>69075097
except the Transformers movies are visually horrific and absolutely terrible. Bay doesn't have a shred of the visual capabilities of Snyder. That being said Pain and Gain is a legitimately good movie.
>>69075100
no.
Sucker Punch was just boring.
If you take worst things from Snyder's last three films and put them together, Sucker Punch is still worse.
>>69075129
Then "Sucker Punch" would be a very good film.
>>69075100
not that guy but Blackhat was fucking ridiculous. literally a disaster that derailed his career after Collateral
it made something like 20 million box office and nobody who saw it liked it
i'm sure in your mind that means they didn't get it and you're part of a super secret club, but actually you're just a fucking idiot
>>69074781
But man of steel was fine
>>69075125
Yeah, Bay has it in him to occasionally make an enjoyable film despite his tendency to turn everything into a visual representation of epilepsy.
>>69074177
I watched it cause of samurai giants, biggest mistake ever.
>>69075169
nobody who saw it liked it eh?
how do you explain the top 10 lists from critics it showed up on at the end of the year?
clearly I was not the only one who liked it.
also it's a masterpiece. just like Miami Vice. plebs need not apply to those movies though.
also laughing hard at your belief that box office determines a movie's quality
>>69074177
Most intellectual film of the past 20 years. I'm not surprised so many people here had trouble understanding it.
Keep in mind these are the people posting pictures of the guy from the wire with subtitles like "Hes a pretty large guy." Absolute nonsense.
>>69075243
>some people liked it, therefore it was actually good
>>69075333
>lots of people disliked it
>lots of people have made movies like The Avengers and Star Wars the biggest movies ever made
>those people decide what movies are good and capeshit movies are the best of all-time
Intellectual wankery; incredibly half-baked ideas and the ultimate example of trying to have your cake and eat it too. On top of that, it's visual style is incredibly overbearing.
>>69075243
>unironically buying into the pleb/patrician dichotomy
Grow the fuck up, anon, and stop making so many assumptions. I love late-period Mann and I think Sucker Punch is one of the most embarrassingly bad movies of the decade.
>>69075438
>Intellectual cowardice; incredibly half-baked arguments and the ultimate example of trying to hard. On top of that, your literary style is incredibly underwhelming.
>Action scenes are just dream-like sequences and therefore any potential consequences are just gone
>>69075550
>Action scenes are symbolic representations of the struggle to free themselves from captivity and therefore any potential consequences need to be interpreted from the imagery.
>>69075500
>I love late-period Mann and I think Sucker Punch is one of the most embarrassingly bad movies of the decade.
"Sucker Punch" is neither embarrassing or bad, on the contrary "Sucker Punch" is cool and good.
>>69074242
Fucking this
>>69074294
Nope. Big disappointment.
>>69075615
Not him,
I understood the alegory, doesn't mean I liked it.
>>69075125
>Bay doesn't have a shred of the visual capabilities of Snyder.
lol
Bay is a retard auteur who makes movies for frat-boys, but Snyder doesn't have even a fraction of the compositional brilliance of the Bay who made The Rock or Armageddon.
>JUST PUT EVERYTHING IN SLOW MOTION BRO
>>69075786
Not him but watchmen director's cut is one of the best movies of the last 20 years.
>They got caught because they needed to make a list on a chalkboard
>They only needed three things, meaning the never needed to use a chalkboard whatsoever
>if a group of girls can't keep a mental checklist for three things how the fuck would they produce a plan to escape a mental institution whatsoever
So director's cut then?
I loved MoS and BvS.
>>69075766
The allegory is blisteringly obvious, pretty much anyone with any sort of interest in film analysis understood it and still didn't like it, because it was clumsy and condescending at best and utterly hypocritical at worst.
>>69075836
Watchmen is easily Snyder's best looking film, but it's still just hot garbage because it was adapted by people who didn't understand the source material, but were slavishly devoted to telegraphing it without proper context. It almost works because Moore's original narative is so strong, but damn near every single creative choice Snyder made on that movie was a poor one.
I don't know which version I saw, but I appreciated the "freedom is in the mind" philosophy.
>you people just don't GET IT because Zack Snyder makes DEEP ALLEGORICAL movies
Holy fuck, you people are hilarious.
Since everything else was kinda shit i expected more panty shots and even in that regard it left me disappointed.
>>69075786
I don't think there's any slow-motion in Man of Steel
sucker punch would be cool if it was just the action sequences run together and the story parts were left out. also if there was some nudity, and sprinkle of irreverence.
absolutely unforgiveable that this movie is zero fun
>>69076130
That's true, actually, but it still managed to be his most visually unappealing movie.
>>69074177
Yeah, that version with no picture. Or sound. I think it's called the Director's a Cunt: I'm Not Watching This Shit Edition.
>>69076184
To be fair, the action scenes had no sense about it and was just action for the sake of.
>>69075889
With all due respect, I've heard this same precise criticism leveled at MoS and BvS only to find it incorrect. If you don't mind my asking, is it possible this guy was just a really late bloomer?
Once you understand the subtext the religious imagery in MoS and BvS are there to convey, it's actually kind of genius, at least to me.
Honestly I didn't love it, but it's not nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be. You're not going to want to kill yourself for watching it, in fact you'll probably be at the very least mildly entertained, maybe a moderately frustrated. But you won't reach "this is the worst movie of all time!!!" level until after you start talking up how you didn't like it with your buds on 4chan after, or you entered it without an open mind. Either way, I'd say it's underrated. (that's not exactly a compliment so don't start shitting on me for shilling it)
>DUDE MISOGNY LMAO
>DUDE SHIT THAT NERDY PEOPLE LIKE IS LITERALLY EVIL BECAUSE MUH MALE GAZE
It's a fucking SJW film. The only people that like it are leftist cucks like that retard itt going on about Mann.
>>69074177
Is there a version that cuts out the piss poor excuse for a plot and is just the action setpieces recut in to music videos? Because if that exists then watch that, otherwise it's a waste of time.
>>69076299
so smart.
reply to this post if you got a woodie when john gave her the ham
>>69076299
>Genius
Sure if you've never encountered religious subtext before. Superman as a Jesus allegory has been done to death and Snyder's interpretation doesn't really bring anything new or interesting to the table. It's just a mishmash of iconic visuals from all the big Superman stories that did what he was trying to do but much better with better context.
>>69076439
Also worth mentioning.
>>69074450
Snyder in a nutshell
>>69076367
>HAMFISTErD !!
I don't get this meme. Why should symbolism need to be especially subtle to be good? It's not like Synder lets it get in the way of what the narrative is trying to convey, it's just accessible and expressed strongly in visuals. Why should symbolism need to be an easter egg for autistic viewers, why can't we be open to other ways of representing it?
>>69075615
The "symbolism" couldn't possibly be more han fisted.
Please chemically castrate yourself.
>>69076367
Watch this. There's this new thing that's all the rage - the kids are calling it "courtesy."
>>69076439
It's my contention that the religious iconography isn't there to convey a religious subtext, at least not in the conventional sense. MoS and BvS are looking at the character through the lens of a "First Contact" scenario, and the imagery is there to convey the perceptions of the characters around Clark.
They're thinking of him as representative of otherworldly power, even a god in some very real sense when all he's trying to do is be a hero despite the god-like aura that surrounds him.
I'm prepared to make my case all night.
>>69076607
I'm prepared to not watch another Snyder film whatsoever, so I think I'm alright.
>>69076569
It doesn't have to be subtle necessarily but in the case of Supes = Jesus some would be appreciated. It's one of the most obvious comparisons that can be made given all the similarities so why does Snyder feel the need to hammer the point home as hard as possible at every given opportunity? What's next? Will JL take place three days after BvS when Superman rises from the dead?
>>69076293
there's nothing wrong with action for action's sake. there's a purity to well-choreographed idiotic fun. it's when idiotic fun starts thinking it's high concept that it becomes insufferable
>>69076569
I do think it got in the way a bit in BvS. That movie started to become a vehicle for symbolism rather than it adding to it at times.
>>69076326
>it's not nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be.
Sure there's a lot of opinion bandwagon-ing and places like this board are relentless towards something with this poor critical reception.
Still it is absolutely as bad as everyone is making it out to be. And the worst part for someone who likes movies is the expense at which an -original- production was allowed in this age of cross-media adaptations and capeshit franchises only to be wasted on something substantially more incongruous, infantile and insufferably bland than any of those.
>>69076569
because hamfisting means the director has no faith in his audience's ability to follow his movie, which really just means that deep down he's a bad director
>>69076702
>>69076607
Because what it's there to illustrate that Clark's nature and environment conspire to present him as god-like when in actuality, he's just a man, a hero, and occasionally when called upon, something of a savior, but not ever a god.
What is it that makes him Superman again? His alien nature and his earthly environment, right? What is it that makes him a hero? Neither of those two things.
>>69076704
Exactly. I wouldn't hate the movie if it was just an action movie. But it's a movie that condescendingly sneers at you for objectifying the scantily clad women who Snyder didn't even care enough about to give real characterizations or even names. It's not subversive, it's inept.
>>69076607
I liked that better when Moore did it in 1986.
>>69076702
>Supes = Jesus
except in MoS he was more Moses.
>>69076723
BvS was basically Iron Man 2 all over again
>>69074954
It's a bizarre trainwreck. i'd put money that there was some outside interference since the plot is a jumbled mess after the first 15 minutes
>>69076912
All this stuff I'm talking about is first addressed by Jonathan Kent in his first flashback in MoS, and it's restated most clearly by Perry White:
"How do you think people would react if they knew there was someone like this out there?"
It was hinted at in the first movie, was more up-front in BvS, and will be the spiritual struggle the character will have to overcome in his next appearance in order to finally shake off that burgeoning cult of "alien worship" that's growing up around him.
There's a lot more going on here than your typical big, dumb blockbuster. Perception versus reality also plays into Lex's motivations in BvS.
>>69076704
pretty much this. With the addition that it's not even idiotic fun. The movie is a very joyless experience. Probably because it is so tonally off?
>>69074177
the theatrical version is just fine, the extended version has some extra scenes that make it a bit more straightforward but don't expect much difference.
>>69077092
I'm not arguing with you, I just don't think it's a particularly original or 'genius' take on the character, nor do I think it was particularly well executed. But to each their own.
yes so much panties many cums
>>69074450
Yeah, I remember thinking "there is almost a good movie in here somewhere" while watching it. There was some great scenes if taken on their own, I liked that they used "older", established songs but remade for the soundtrack and I liked a bit of other things here and there, like how you never see "the dance" I thought was clever.
It seems like a movie where someone has this "cool idea" and is allowed to run with it and really needed someone to hammer it into shape and it could have been decent.
It is interesting to watch I think but there are a lot of much better movies though.
>>69077104
so self-aware that it's actually isn't self-aware at all
and it's so fuckin self-important. "look on my works ye mighty and despair". even just a little intentional irony there would have made sucker punch way better
>>69077092
>There's a lot more going on here than your typical big, dumb blockbuster
No one says Snyder doesn't try. But he bites more than he can chew.
If I can choose between a flawlessly, but superficial big dumb action movie, and an incoherent, uncomfortable but more ambitious action movie, I'll pick the good one. Having ambitions earns you a participation trophy.
>>69074177
The trailer? You pretty much see all the best bits.
>>69074294
It's pretty fucking stupid anon. Its got some neat scenes like you saw in the trailer, but the movie is basically snyder trying to make a shitty version of inception with anime girls in live action.
I fapped to donnie darko's girlfriend though.
>>69074792
>plebs who hate Snyder also usually hate Richard Kelly, newer Michael Mann movies and Joseph Kahn, they generally don't know shit about film
citation needed
>>69077104
>Probably because it is so tonally off?
Because the movie establishes that these are fantasies within fantasies right off the bat, so nothing anyone does matters because its not really happening, then the dipshit ending withlol it was rlly about this grll all along!
>>69076569
>It's not like Synder lets it get in the way of what the narrative is trying to convey
Actually when it's as on the nose as Snyder makes it you can definitely argue that it detracts from, rather than enhances, the narrative. The lack of any substance to the symbolism only strengthens that argument too. While 'hamfisted' may not be particularly eloquent it's a very succinct way of pointing out how ultimately empty and genuinely pretentious Snyder's work is.
>>69074402
It's what you felt when leaving the theater, it as very aptly titled.
>>69077755
but it never really is on the nose though
you can say SUPERMAN = JESUS is what he is going for but to me he isn't and i see it differently. He's being blatant, sure, but not hamfisted or on the nose. several filmmakers were blatant, Kubrick is one of them (not saying Snyder = Kubrick)
