>Space battle
>Ships maneuver like there's atmosphere
>space scene
>there's sound
Wouldn't a space battle be completely computerized, take place beyond ranges perceivable by the human eye and be over almost instantly based on whoever gets the first "shot" off, whatever form that shot may be, and thus be completely unfun in a film?
>spaceship in space
>engine is constantly thrusting
>>69068903
yes
>>69068903
I would love to see some shit like that
>>69068779
There is sound in space you idiot
>space opera
>autist criticizes it for not being realistic like anyone else gives a shit or isn't aware of these basic science facts
>space ships
>having windows of any kind
>>69068954
>being pedantic
>space movie
>spaceships disregard efficient maneuvers and orbital mechanics
>dude a straight line is the best way lmao
>>69068779Fireflydidn't have this
>>69068954
sure, and glass is a slow flowing liquid, right?
>>69069132Serenitydid
>>69068903
The "fun" part would be the aftermath of the destruction where one of the few to make it to the escape pods/breathing apparatus has to watch his shipmates suffocating and drifting off into the void.
>>69068903
Depends heavily on the ships' weapons and observation capability. Just shooting some objects (railguns etc.) at very high speeds at each other is more of a computer guessing game of avoidance patterns since the ships' idea of each others position is not real time.
>>69068913
Well, what if they wanted to go faster than they were going, indefinitely?
As one might expect.
>>69069158
I know and it triggered me
Bravo whedon
>>69068762
>>69068779
Dumb frogposters
>Star Wars
>Nobody ever wears a space suit
>>69068903
Assuming we're talking about sub to low relativistic speeds it depends how good your active protection system is. If it's really good closing to close range to reduce the time they have to intercept could be a necessity.
>space battle between two fleets
>semicircle beats three squares
>Space movie
>"There must be some kinda way outta here" starts playing
>>69069260
Storm Trooper Armor functions as a space suit
>>69069260
Tie-Fighter pilots do. X-wings have artificial atmosphere.
>>69069192
Only if they have infinite fuel
>>69069260
>darth vader
>not wearing spacesuit.
>lilm takes place in space
>people aren't floating around all time time
>off hand line, "engage the artificial gravity generator"
>nobody bats and eye that we invented a machine that harnasses one of the fundamental forces of the universe and rewrote the entire book of the rules of physics and existence as we know it
>>69068903
Would laser weapons even work at those distances? And if they used projectiles, it should be possible for computer-controlled weapons to automatically intercept them.
>>69069664
Depends on the observation tech. Actually tracking few kilograms of metal traveling at high speed in the middle of space is pretty damn challenging.
>>69069664
Not really. If the enemy ship is maneuverable enough it can strafe and Dodge any large attacks.
You'd need bombs or missiles with AIs that can dodge incoming enemy fire in order to get a hit.
Ideally if you're set on lasers this idea from Ratchet Deadlocked was cool. Multiple enemy ships form a laser chain and ram the enemy ship.
>>69068981
Uh, how would you steer the space shuttle without a windshield idiot?
>>69070217
Through instruments and sensors? Did you give more than one second of thought or did you just shit out the first "idea" that crawled out of your brain?
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What are some sci-fi that attempt to ship to ship combat at relativistic speeds in a somewhat plausible manner? All I can think of is the second revelation space book.
>>69070293
excuse me, the poster you just replied to is my wife's son.
You've upset him through your rude language, so I'm going to have to ask you to never reply to me or my wife's son ever again
>>69068762
>list the movies/tv series that did space battles right
Battlestar did them spaceship fights bretty good. Sg1 as well.
>>69070293
How the frick is an instrument going to help with that?
DOY, LOOK AT ME, I"M CAPTAIN NASA AND I USE A SET OF BONGOS TO DRIVE TO MARS.
>>69068903
>>69069182
>>69069664
>>69069779
>>69070013
Combat Wasps from the Night's Dawn trilogy is the best idea for real space combat.
In fact Night's Dawn describes most of spaceflight and combat mechanics very well indeed. I'd recommend for anyone who likes Sci-Fi.
>>69070456
>How the frick is an instrument going to help with that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEywGpIt0vw
>Captain orders the ship to come to a 'full stop' in the middle of space with no frame of reference
>>69070358
The Lost Fleet series. Those ships generally engage at speeds of around 0.2 of light so the battles are all about taking hours to plan maneuvers and the actual shooting lasts fraction of a second followed by hours of slowly changing course again. Mostly because their ships have insanely accurate optics (and they move insanely fast) so any long distance attacks are trivial to avoid, though their idea of planetary bombardment is basically just dropping heavy metal tubes on the right course from those speeds.
>>69069396
The only space-movie I can think of, where a ship is shown being refueled, is Fifth Element.
>>69070498
oh shit why did this never occur to me.
Does anyone remember the episode of Tartakovsky's Clone Wars where a Jedi (I want to say it is Plo Koon but I'm not 100%) jumps off a stricken not-Star Destroyer onto a droid ship in space with a load of clone troopers and jetpacks?
I can't find it anywhere
>>69068903
It's /a/ content but Starship Operators is similar to this. The majority of each episode is crew interactions while they try to figure out a battle plan. No dog-fighting or close range ship encounters if I remember correctly.
>movie set in space stations
>characters don't have to vacuum poop out of their butts on-camera
>>69068913
Well fastest way of getting somewhere in space is to constantly thrust/accelerate until you have to flip around at halfway point to decelerate. Of course current technology is highly limited by the fuel so we have to rely on initial push and gravity aid to slowly get anywhere.
>it's a hundreds die gruesomely during deceleration episode
>>69070681
The enemy is so far away in Starship Operators that they need a telescope to see it. It's more realistic than most but still far from hard scifi.
>>69070785
Knights of Sidonia?
>>69070293
The would cost more than just putting a windshield
>>69070358
It comes up occasionally in The Forever War.
>it's a we're underwater at the destination planet for a century already, but we think were still in space episode
>>69069543
>What is centripetal force
But yes, 2001 is the only film I've seen do this correctly
>it's a Moya refuses to function properly and puts the crew in peril episode
>>69069543
You can simulate gravity via centripetal rotation, but I agree. Anything Sci fi that does this nowadays is just lazy
>>69069260
talk shit about my nigga bossk again see what happens
>>69070785
The expanse?
As far as space stuff in general goes, everyone seems to agree that Planetes is very realistic (although it's otherwise very hit and miss).
>>69068762
>space battle
>it's basically an 18th century naval battle in space, with the ships being right next to each other and firing futuristic broadsides
>>69071075
Nobody saw Pandorum.
>space helmet is lit from inside
>>69068779
>>69068903
delete these
>It's a bitch tears episode
>>69068762
>ships manoeuvre like there's mass affected by atmospher
in reality massive spess ships would bounce around the place if they had sufficent thrusters to accompany their size, while those same thrusters back on earth would move the ship like a snail
>>69071598
>space helmet has a clear visor
>>69070358
>>69070951
The Forever war basically says the ships computers handle the space battle, and since the maneuvers involved would be deadly to an un protected human, so all the organics on board have to run to body capsules before combat begins or else be turned to jelly
>>69071841
forever war is just so depressing
>>69070456
(taking the bait)
...do you know how submarines work?
>>69068903
What about shields.
Has anyone ever told you guys you sound autistic as fuck? Who cares, just enjoy the movie
>>69072046
Where do you think you are reddit
>>69071813
w-why is that a bad thing?
>>69072126
Astonaut visors are covered in a thin sheet of goldafaikto block sun radiations that would heavily fuck their shit up
>space battle
>ships all fighting in a straight horizontal line
>>69070293
calm down anon jeez
>>69068762
>wondering how they eat and breathe
>and other science facts
>>69068954
>transverse waves travelling in a vacuum
no
>>69070013
The key to space battles would be reaction times.
A ship would need to sense an incoming attack, process that data, then engage a counter, whether that be chaff, evasion, EW jamming, or point defense, all before taking the hit.
When the incoming weapon is rail gun slug or missile moving at a measurable % of c, the available reaction time can be pretty slim, depending on distances. When the incoming weapon is a laser moving at 1c, there is no reaction time without magical FTL sensors.
So "dodging" isn't so much moving in response to incoming attacks as much as it is zig zagging randomly and hoping for the best.
Forever War portrays this well. Space Battles are left to an onboard super computer that handles everything while the crew stays sedated in high-g crash couches and hopes for the best.
In addition to the speed of things in space, shows and movies need to do to a better job at portraying just how BIG space is.
>pic related
>>69072735
>le space is a vacuum meme
>>69072777
Moreover, I'd say the actual key to space anything is detection range and evading being detected, just like air battles right now
Then, in secondary, reaction time
>>69068903
Once the technology gets to that point, yeah. But the early space battles, when the combatants still need to see each other and the weapons still need to be directed and fired manually, will be hella f*cking epic.
>>69072938
>Once the technology gets to that point, yeah. But the early space battles, when the combatants still need to see each other and the weapons still need to be directed and fired manually, will be hella f*cking epic.
this is bait right
>>69071120
Interstellar and The Martian both do this as well.
>>69072126
you need to reflect a light of light back since you don't have an atmosphere doing it for you
>>69068913
>don't use reverse thrust to slow down
>just power down the engine to lose all that velocity
>>69068903
They wouldn't be over almost instantly, even lasers would have travel time. Most of the battle would just be watching your missiles/slugs on their way towards the enemy while trying your best to dodge their shots without wasting too much precious ^V
>>69068970
>muh first hard scifi show
>sound in space
>space ships fighting within visual range
I'll let you guess which show I'm talking about
>>69069158
Handwaved as some special atmosphere thing around the planet. Something to do with the cloud all the alliance ships were hiding in.
>>69069182
only so far. At a certain point your objective in real space combat becomes depletion of enemy ^V. Without that they are fucked anyway so avoidance maneuvers have a cost
>>69068762
>a movie
>being this autistic
>>69069779
Not when said metal has a nuclear reactor strapped to it or is outputting a kilometer long stream of exhaust.
>>69070441
>Battlestar galactica
>"lets shoot a ton of flak at the enemy then send out fighters out there
>SG1
>muh asgardians
>>69072872
its much harder to stealth in space than it is in atmosphere. its almost impossible to block thermal emissions completely so the only thing you have going for you is just that space is fucking huge
>you could never be an astronaut because you'd be too much of a pussy to go outside of the spacecraft for fear of getting accidentally detached or some other freak accident
>>69075678
space can get you even if you're inside. Space can always get you
>>69075934
>mfw space can get me even on earth
>>69075968
But anon.
You are space.
>>69077443
>>69077443
>>69077443
fuck off, neil
