You often hear actresses saying they only want to do nude scenes if necessary to the plot/character, but I can't think of an instance where that has been the case. The only type of scene involving nudity that could enrich a character would be a sex scene, but that can easily be done sans nudity with strategic camera placement. I'm by no means upset by nudity, just curious as why an actress would consider a certain type of scene more worthy of their body than another, you know?
OP's note: This thread is not about Emilia Clarke, I just thought the pic was eye catching and suited the thread.
the only nudity that is necessary is pusy slit nudity
Clockwork Orange would be really tamed if they somehow removed all the nudity. I'd argue it's necessary to evoke the proper emotional response in the audience which couldn't be achieved without it. The scenes are very important to the characters and story.
Well that's because you were raised by puritan retards.
What you're forgetting is that movies are supposed to make you feel a wide array of human emotions.
Tittilation and arousal are part of the human experience. Something being sexy is every bit as valid as something being sad or scary or funny. Thora Birch's topless scene in American Beauty wouldn't have been good with "strategic (and distracting) camera angles" because the scene is about voyeurism, making the audience a voyeur. The nudity in Bound works because the scene is supposed to be exciting and taboo and sexy. The nudity in About Schmidt works because its supposed to be confrontational. It wouldn't be if she was holding big watermelons in front of her chest.
>>69009618
A lot of the nudity and non-nude sex scenes debase the show or film. They aren't there for you to experience certain emotions, they're there to appeal to average, dumb viewers.
>>69009618
But you can do sexy with out having an actress actually be nude.
>>69009508
Is clothing ever really necessary on screen?
>>69009508
>Is Nudity Ever REALLY Necessary On Screen
Only if the actresses in question are completely unshaved.
Are we supposed to assume people are never nude?
Most often, you can get away with using implied nudity to achieve the same effectiveness.
However, as has been ruled before, nudity attached to film has been ruled as political speech. Whatever that political speech entails is up to the people involved with the film project. (Pornography being the most extreme example of this.)
The images in a piece of film are only ever as necessary as the specific message or art the directors or writers or actors involved are trying to get across.
So, to answer your question, is nudity ever really necessary on screen? Yeah, probably.
>>69009842
Why would you assume that?
>>69009733
A lot do, but that doesn't mean that it isn't completely valid to have a nude scene to make the audience feel aroused. Op is suggesting that it's inherently cheapening to have nudity for the sake of being sexy, and not just dependent on how it's done.
>>69009772
You can also make your audience feel sad without killing a character. It doesn't mean it should be avoided at all costs because movies often kill characters in a cheap way to provoke a cheap reaction. Good execution is most important. Nudity isn't inherently wrong.
>>69009508
it all depends desu senpai
>>69009869
Most of the time nudity just cheapens it to me. I watch them for the story and characters, not to get aroused. If I want to get aroused I'll watch porn.
Nudity is pretty fucking dope. I liked that scene with Dany in OP's picture. She can't even have a moment to herself.
>>69009933
I'd say at times GoT borderlines porn. There's a lot of very erotic moments. Both in the books and in the show. It's part of its appeal to some people.
>>69009869
No nudity isn't wrong. I'm not at all saying nudity cheapens a film. Just why it would be necessary to make an actress show her nips or what have when it is possible go with out it. I said as much in the OP. You can kill a character by having him shot in the head. Yet in that movie you can accomplish that without showing that character get shot in the head.
>Do some historical drama series like HBO's Rome
>Feel a need to include nudity
Literally why? If you made a show about Microsoft and silicon valley, you wouldn't show Bill Gates having sex. It's literally irrelevant.
>>69009933
That's your personal issue to get over. Nudity is a part of life, and there is no reason it should be avoided onscreen.
It's art. Judge each instance individually of its intended merit.
At this point, nudity on screen has become pretty commonplace. Try this though: go to a theater (I know, right) and see a play with nudity. You'll appreciate how powerful of a tool it can be.
>>69009933
>Most of the time.
You're not really saying anything I'm not.
>>69009998
>make an actress show her nips
Nobody is making her do anything. It's a voluntary interaction. If one broad won't do it they'll get one who will.
>>69009618
Friendly reminder forced nudity is monkey behavior
>>69009508
I don't know why anyone is ashamed of their own or others nudity. you kinda get desensitized to it after a bit, but that's the worst of it.
>>69010016
>That's your personal issue to get over. Nudity is a part of life, and there is no reason it should be avoided onscreen.
This, honestly I'd love to see some well lit closeups of various actresses hairy assholes while they're taking a shit.
>>69009508
>Is Nudity Ever REALLY Necessary On Screen?
No.
speaking of nude celebs, where can i see all the fappening pics?
>>69010016
some would argue that the movies should be about escapism.
Movies like LOTR and Star Wars are fine without any nudity.
>>69010095
I'm glad you agree.
>>69009605
Does that ever happen? I don't think I've seen that on film
>>69010095
Patrician detected
>>69009508
it's a non-issue.
>>69010190
Oh I thought you meant actual pussy slit, not the mons
>>69010221
that is quite clearly a slit
>>69009916
Dumb ghettoposter
>>69010141
Escapism is not incompatible with nudity, so I don't see your point. LotR being fine without nudity doesn't mean it wouldn't be with it. This whole conversation is pointless. Saying something isn't strictly necessary isn't making a value judgement or supporting the judgement with an argument. It's the same as calling the sky blue. No shit, it's blue.
>>69009508
sex sells?
Shouldn't Amerifats be asleep
>>69009508
I like looking at tits and asses. I'm pretty sure most men do, actually. Maybe women too, but I don't know about that.
>>69010095
Yeah, I'd like to see that, too!
And then Lars von Trier gets sued by bat shit Catholics or some even worse protestant weirdos.
>>69009508
>Is Nudity Ever REALLY Necessary On Screen
Are movies ever REALLY necessary? Surely we could stop making them. Lets shut down TV programmes other than news.
Fag.
>>69010238
Nah.
>>69010322
Fuck Trier, this needs to be filmed by an actual director, not a degenerate hack.
>>69010246
Plenty of actresses don't like doing nudity unless the scene is deemed worthy of it. So there must be something that makes people see nudity as necessary to the plot. Thats the question.
I wish more movies and shows didn't shoehorn in the mandatory sex/nude scene for no reason. It never adds to the story and is just garbage.
I watched Bastard Executioner and there are like 4 sex scenes in the first episode. Into the trash it goes.
>ITT - Puritan faggots hate nudity because nudity is nudity
Might I suggest that if you can't handle grown up things that you don't watch grown up shows.
This thread is so misunderstood.
>>69009508
I hope there will be no more nude scenes with emilia cuz she got THICK as fuck
>>69009508
>Is Nudity Ever REALLY Necessary On Screen?
yes
>>69010503
These are teenagers and man children you're talking to here.
>>69010657
It was worth a shot.
>tfw you thought this would be a thinly veiled nudy thread since the amerifat mods are all sleeping
Highly disappointed /tv/
>>69010550
As a black guy, she's just plain fat and nasty.
...which probably means she gives mad brain.
>>69009508
No it's merely used to get ratings. It's awkward and offensive.
The worst part is its female actresses who perpetuate it. They don't have to take the roles or agree to the contacts and until they refuse to do it and until there is not a massive availability of strippers, porn stars and desperate hussies willing to be stand ins and extras it won't stop.
>>69010464
>pretending 90% of the nudity on GOT for example isn't just used to boost ratings.
The makers have admitted numerous times they just throw it in for the sake of it.
You don't have to be a catholic Puritan or a Muslim to find nudity offensive and shocking. Society has morals and standards and nudity is not accepted in open society.
Deal with it you degenerate.
>>69009508
Yes, but not for any of the reasons you see Hollywood use to excuse it.
Nudity has a respected place in the art world, so it often occurs quite tastefully in arthouse cinema.
Unfortunately, it's one of the negatives of American influence on the development of the art of cinema that nudity is either done tastelessly, for extreme drama (as in rape scenes) or not done at all, rather than to enhance a film as an artwork.
To a degree it probably worsens the objectifying of the female body in the West simply by being so afraid to expose people to that form. Ancient artists didn't have any fear of showing us nudity and so you get tasteful nudity - not many people go and fap to the Venus de Milo. There's no slutty perverted feeling to it so it doesn't attract that kind of attention.
>>69011377
>>69011517
On these notes, it's no secret that the majority of the background whores in GOT are actual IRL whores and strippers.
>>69010316
yeah, so go watch some porn then
What are you supposed to do when there's a sex scene in a movie at theater? Masturbate? With all the people around?
i love how "sex-positive" feminism just devolved right into neo-puritanism in a matter of years
I know in American beauty, (and spoilers follow be warned) the two lead female actresses both get at least topless, and the director said it was neccesary. One girl is a virgin, and she wears baggier clothes, but when they come off she actually has quite developed breasts and is naturally feminine etc. The other has strong pushup bra game, and has been lying about having sex. So he thought the physicality was important.
Alien SHOULD have had nudity where Ridley Scott wanted it. There's that movie where the guy who plays aragorn is attacked while he's naked and it's apparently brutal (can you tell I haven't seen this one?).
So yeah, it can be justified. Neccesary? I don't honestly know man. Probably not but a lot of other things aren't necessary either and they're in every second movie.
>>69011115
>brain
Neat, another word for my ebon lexicon!
>>69011733
You don't get it. It's sex-positive for the degenerate women, and sex-negative for everyone else.
It's the same shit that always happens with a protected class, from communism to fascism, any authoritarianism just means that whatever rules and whatever ideology that exists on paper will only ever be used against the out group.
>>69009614
Agreed. Though that's as much a function of the character as anything else. Alex would come off as completely sex-crazed as he is if not for the nude scenes.
So for a story like A Clockwork Orange, where sex is a central theme, nudity seems more natural to include.
I like the red witches body, not so much Danni's.
>>69011649
I don't want to see some haggard bimbo naked
I want to see famous hollywood actresses
>>69009508
Amerifat detected
>>69011735
I want Alien with unshaved Ripley. All those iconic scenes would look so much better with hairy pits, and bush spilling out of all sides of her panties, going down her thighs and to the sides and up her belly.
tig ol bitties :D
>>69010149
Rosario Dawson in Trance.
>>69010009
Not exactly a great comparison, attitudes towards nudity and sex with much more lax in Rome than in modern America
I like benis and bagina :D
>>69010009
It wouldn't be accurate if they showed that
>>69012312
But you could see Ripley's pubic hair in one scene
>>69009933
>>69011649
i don't know why people feel so strongly about porn being separated into it's own thing.
is it shame?
if it were up to me everything would be a perfect blend of porn and violence. the two best things in this world.
>>69009614
All it did was give me a hard on, distract me from the movie then leave me feeling frustrated knowing that I'll never to get to fuck that huge titted, round assed chick she that she probably got some sense of empowerment from showing her tits and cunt to the whole world without consequence.
>>69009968
>I'd say at times GoT borderlines porn
you poor summer child
>>69009618
Any man who says he hasn't jerked off to her tits is a liar. Tits are tits, that's all anyone sees. Especially when they are giant saggers on a 16yo. You can't tell the difference by looking at you. And I bet this fact enrages you amirite?
You often hear actors saying they only want to do violent scenes if necessary to the plot/character, but I can't think of an instance where that has been the case. The only type of scene involving violence that could enrich a character would be a death scene, but that can easily be done sans violence with strategic camera placement. I'm by no means upset by violence, just curious as why an actor would consider a certain type of scene more worthy of their passivity than another, you know?
>>69009618
Who's a Puritan now?
Nudity is always degenerate.
>>69009508
Yes, yes it is.
Next.
>is nudity ever really necessary
No, but using this logic, nothing is really necessary in a film, or art in general. Like anything else, nudity can either be used tastefully or tastelessly, with or without supporting context, and either successfully or poorly.
Scenes that go out of their way to hide nudity can likewise either be successful or unsuccessful.
The shower scene in Psycho never shows tits, but nobody cares because its a well-shot scene.
The Zod scene in Batman V Superman has a shot with Zod's entire naked-ass body in frame with Jesse Eisenberg right in front of him covering his crotch. It's cheesy and really obvious that the shot was constructed to cover up his dick, so it breaks immersion.
You often hear comedians saying they only want to do slapstick scenes if necessary to the plot/character, but I can't think of an instance where that has been the case. The only type of scene involving slapstick that could enrich a character would be a pie-throwing scene, but that can easily be done sans comedy with strategic camera placement. I'm by no means upset by comedy, just curious as why a clown would consider a certain type of scene more worthy of their meticulously applied face paint than another, you know?
>>69011718
Exactly.
what art fags want you to think.
>nudity is art
whats actually happening
>hahahah i found a way to legitimize porn take that society.
>>69012982
>nudity
>porn
Americans...
>>69012982
This. It's like Chloe sevigny is the brown bunny. It was not art, it was porn and really poorly filmed too.
>>69009508
There is more male nudity used to seduce women and gay men who are the people that decide on what film to see
>>69012798
>No, but using this logic, nothing is really necessary in a film, or art in general.
How deep of you. Your examples are kinda lacking though.
I want to see your artistic film about sexual exploration and depravity without any nudity in. I also want to see your World War II war movie about the battle of Normandy and it's outcome without any deaths. You might as well make a movie about an airplane pilot and his life in the skies without any planes in it.
And then sell it to the general population and make it a financial success in theaters around the globe.
>>69013051
let me guess you have a collection of images of 8 year old boys you admire for artistic value.
>>69009508
>nudity is unnecessary
Do you engage in a moral debate with a mirror every time you're about to take a shower?
>>69009508
People are fine with fleshed out nudity word-per-word in books yet find it offensive on-screen
nudity is the most natural thing there in real life
not showing any signs of it from movies is basically making them feel forced and artificial
>>69010009
>not enjoying the tastefully nude Polly Walker
That was a gift from the Romans to us you fucking pleb.
Basic Instinct is the perfect example. The nudity informs the character.
>>69010149
More than you'd think.
Nudity can add things to a scene that you wouldn't get from the same character clothed. It can convey vulnerability, honesty, awkwardness, realism, self-consciousness, toughness, confidence, and sexuality depending on how they're portrayed.
Not saying that nude scenes are always important. In a lot of cases, they are just an excuse to show some skin. But they do serve a purpose when done right.
Plus, it's a nude body. Get over it.
Yes, anytime someone would normally be naked like bathing, changing clothes, etc. Anytime people are getting their fuck on, and sex is necessary if you want to be realistic about relationships to at least a basic extent. Sometimes nudity can a character's vulnerable state of mind, blah blah blah. OP, you're a fucking prude if you think nudity is never necessary. Might as well say blood, swearing, fighting, drug use, guns, etc. are unnecessary. Shut the fuck up, faggot.
>>69011115
>black guy
>fat white woman
Should be right up your street.
>>69009508
why are you even talking about some bollox like this? im sure there are more pressing matters for you to get on with in life?
>>69009508
yes, unless you're showing it to perpetually insecure americans then you have to think twice
Extremely rare.
Examples of appropriate nudity were given here. I'll also say that it was appropriate in SOME GoT scenes, but not a lot.
the nudity particularly irked me in True Detective. HBo in general has an obsession with boobies and it does get in the way of good shows that do not need any fanservice in them.
Tits and sex are fine. People get naked and fuck all the time. It's natural. But when it's done prominently without the plot progressing throughout the scene then i might as well be watching a porno. It's too easy a cop out to keep a program/movie's runtime up.
It just Fan-service, sempai.
Nothing more.
>>69010550
Emilia goes ticc as fuck.
>>69009508
Nothing you see on screen is necessary. You don't even need the screen.
>>69009508
totally necessary
>>69012798
It was for the childrens.
Rate BvS +18
Show zod's dick
Get it?
You Americans and your unhealthy view of sex.
It's fucking weird.
If we don't need to see them shit we don't need to see them fuck.
>>69009508
kek it made me watch GOT because 'tits', then i got hooked by the motherfuckin show.
>>69009811
millenias ...
j u s t
>>69015729
Everything should be shaved. Hair not on head is disgusting.
>>69015775
How distasteful.
>>69009508
Its very simple:
1: Tits and nudity mean more views for certain genres. That means if you are a woman on said show you better show some tits if you want the job.
2: If a nude scene is necessary you are never gonna notice it as "a nude scene" because in the context of the movie it should have a clear purpose.
If you defend the first instance of nudity you are literally just trash with poor impulse control and the reason why any TV show is being dumbed down in many aspects.
>>69009508
It needs to be more frequent desu
I think that you can make an argument that nudity is necessary if you have a scene that takes place somewhere where it makes sense for the character to be naked, and hiding the nudity would require so many conveniently placed objects and weird camera positions that it would take the viewer out of the movie.
Viggo's nude bathhouse fight scene in eastern promises is a good example. Sure, they could have done some Austin powers bullshit where there's always something in the way of his junk, no matter how ludicrous it may be, but this would have hurt the impact of the scene. The viewer stops thinking about the story and characters and starts thinking about all the silly ways the movie is trying to avoid showing dick. Why not just shoot the scene normally and if some dick gets in the shot, so what?
When it comes to sex scenes, yeah a lot of nudity could probably be removed without it seeming forced. A lot of sex scenes in general could probably be cut without really damaging the film. Still, if you're gonna have a sex scene and don't want to just fade to black, might as well show some tits. People get naked during sex; if you act like they don't you're just ignoring reality.
I guess it just depends on how artificial you want your movie to feel.
>>69009789
/thread
>>69012714
You are
>>69009618
Reminder that any culture that tries to be puritan and suppress normal and natural nudity/sexuality usually ends up being even more perverted.
Japs censored dicks and bad pussy, now they jerk off to tentacle porn instead of having sex
Muslims got the whole burqa/virgin thing going, now they buttrape everything
Priests are supposed be all holy and pure, instead they became the midnight nambla
And so on...
Why the fuck does it matter if it's necessary or not, you fucking puritans? If the director, or the writers want it in, then good. If they don't, also good.
Fuck off with your backwards logic. If violence is a-ok, then nudity shouldn't be so taboo.
>>69010316
Except most of the people on GoT are ugly naked.
Nudity leads to sinful thoughts and I'm a huge fucking faggot who's mommy slapped me when I played with myself
>>69016803
Newsflash! Most people are ugly naked.
>>69016847
Speak for yourself. I look very sexy in the nude.
I thought Ex Machina used nudity and themes of sex really well. Especially when Ava puts human skin on herself.
>>69012714
reporting in
>>69016884
post pics
>>69010550
>hope no more nude scenes because she's thick
Not sure I follow your logic here. Are you a fucking homo?
>>69016670
People will always be degenerates.And when you try to stop them - they will become even more monkey tier.
There is no hope.
Just NUKE
>>69015775
pleb
>>69012714
Go back to the 1800's where you belong
>>69009508
>I can't think of an instance where that has been the case
Cersei's walk of shame.
>>69009508
Only people with low-set sights in life dwell upon things like this OP. It's why you'll always be a loser.
Hope this helps.
>>69009508
Occasionally it is necessary
Sharon Stone's uncrossing of her legs wouldn't have caused the reaction among the police had she been wearing panties or if you'd not seen that she was not wearing panties.
There's a lot of comedy "flicks" that pretty much require the nudity for the film to have the right effect. They're trashy films but without the nudity certain comedic situations couldn't happen.
>>69012609
...okay- WHAT?
>>69016720
Unnecessary violence is a thing too, autist.
IMO nudity implies a sense of vulnerability. Just like in real life, when you disrobe you're exposing yourself for both judgement and acceptance. Granted this is not the case in a lot of films because nudity is used improperly, but if used correctly it can be very effective.
A good example is Any Given Sunday, a bunch of swinging dicks in a locker room. Another good example is Airplane! where a pair of bouncing breasts is used for comedic effect.
>>69019428
I'd like to add Starship Troopers. There's a scene in the showers, that are apparently inter-sex in the army, with all sorts of boobies and asses flying around, and yet it felt so natural that I hardly even noticed that they're naked.
>>69016670
>tfw no darwinist jihadist homosex bf
>>69019499
I agree, the nudity in Starship Troopers was essentially desexualized. None of the characters felt awkward showering with each other.
>>69012609
go Outside and talk to women. Fucking Autsimo Pleb
>>69009508
Television in general is not "necessary".
>>69009508
>The only type of scene involving nudity that could enrich a character would be a sex scene, but that can easily be done sans nudity with strategic camera placement
the necessity of strategic camera placement breaks the immersion of the scene by repeatedly reminding the audience that you're making a scene in a movie/tv show
what's worse (and they did this a bunch of times in got s5 with danaerys now that EC is too good to show tit) is when they have the actress do the old "well we just finished and i'm alone in my room with the man who just fucked and came inside of me, i better pull the covers up over my boobies to make sure the tv audience can't see them lol"
>>69009733
>They aren't there for you to experience certain emotions
you just arbitrarily disapprove of the emotions they're meant to cause you to experience
