Modern day 2d animation is garbage.
Feels like everything is worse nowadays, from animation to movies to music to paintings
Have people simply stopped trying?
is the technic lost?
They're done 100% in computers with vector animation.
>>68952638
kill yourself
>>68952808
are you triggered, millenial?
>>68952609
lel, I could literally draw this in ms paint
>>68952808
That doesn't answer my question anon
>>68952748
>vector animation
As opposed to what, raster animation?
>>68952609
Japan still exists, last time I checked.
>>68952638
No, you're just old.
>>68952877
I'm 20
>>68952638
Modern processes have made things easy.
People no longer need to work hard to make something look good to make it stand out.
We live in an age of "Presentable is good enough."
Art through adversity.
That's what happens when you can't pay Koreans to animate everything for you for slave wages.
8fps
"animation"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT18OJEPU9Q
>>68952638
I don't know about the latter two, especially in the music department.
But I do agree that western animation as a whole seems to have gotten worse. I thought it was nostalgia goggles at first, but comparing the new batman animation to the New Batman Adventures (same animation style as the Batwoman movie too) form the 90's; the latter easily looks better.
Anime hasn't decreased in animation quality though, it just keeps getting better (while the plot lines continue to get worse). Maybe the west is just getting lazy?
In 2016 you'd have a hard time assembling an entire team of trained animators who actually know how to draw from life.
Kids who grow up wanting to draw today do so without learning anatomy and physics, two very important subjects for a proficient animator. Even those who aren't formally trained innately understand that the unseen physical forces of our world affect the movements of the things within it. But if you go to Art school you're going to find a lot of kids who just want to doodle their narcissistic passion projects, not little Leonardo DeVincis who treat their work like a serious craft that requires a lifetime of training.
>>68952983
It's more than the incentive for good animation has dropped. It's becoming more obvious that people will watch shit regardless of how good it looks.
>>68952638
You're right, everyone gives up, and just wants to die me thnks.
>>68952609
It's because they realized good animation isn't necessary to make big money
>>68952983
Seasonal anime looks a lot better than it used to. But Japan has yet to accomplish anything that tops the big budget anime films of the 90's/early 00's in terms of animation. The only one is Redline which was release in 09 but it's production started in the early 00's
shit's just fucked yo
>>68952609
Technology breeds laziness more than it improves effort.
>>68953017
man that's sad.
I'm gonna watch The Killing Joke regardless. But at this point, I would probably be a bit more excited if it looked like a modern anime for the sole purpose of it just looks pretty bad right now as it is.
Imagine if they did Kingdom Come
>>68953043
wow it looks better in black and white
>>68953017
I'm often shocked by how low the standards of /co/ fans are. They'll vehemently defend even the most wretched looking shows. Even with the new PPG the only issue seems to be animation errors, even though the presentation is complete shit regardless.
>>68953039
All TV anime is seasonal.
>>68953017
That's what I was thinking, as more people (and not just the most educated classes) got access to media, studios started noticing most people have horrendous taste and simply don't give a fuck about quality, which sounds fedora as fuck but seems like the best explanation to me
Case in point, the highest grossing movies are literally all shit
>>68952638
dae le wrong generation Xp
>>68952638
There is just too much mediocrity, the cream rarely rises to the top
Everyone wants more of everything and faster, thus the quality is compromised
>>68953097
Yeah.
black and white looks pretty "silky"
>>68952609
Yeah because it's outsourced to Korean slaves now.
>>68953200
>this webm with it aint me playing
>>68952891
Yeah I'm 27 and my older family members enjoyed stuff more when they were young. You can tell that they still have a sense of well-being and assurance from the cultures they grew up in.
People don't try anymore. They money's not there and there's no room for underdogs to move up the ladder. Industry in general needs to totally die before it can be good again. We've already plateaued and are on the way down.
>>68953317
A lot of shows used to get outsourced to Japan. Avatar and Korra were outsourced to Korea. Outsourcing doesn't by itself cause bad quality.
>>68952852
>being born in the 80s and still being on 4chan
>>68953380
I didn't say it did you niggerfaggotretard.I'm sorry to call you a niggerfaggotretard anon I just have to keep up appearances you know.
>>68953446
>I didn't say it did you
I don't see how else your statement could be interpreted.
>>68952638
that's because nobody remembers all of the shit that came out alongside the good stuff.
>>68953497
That's because you're a niggerfaggotretard.
>>68953446
>>68953497
the ironic thing is if the new batman actually contracted a korean in-between farm studio it would look a lot better.
But looks like they're just trying to do it with American animators, we've fallen so far... :(
>>68953540
Then what did you mean?
>>68953585
What do the words use in the post directly signify?
>>68952609
why is it all dark and dingy??
>>68953646
2D animation now sucks because it's outsourced to Korea.
I hate how weaboos point to all this retarded, kinetic shit animation as some kind of justification for their terrible shows, when it still looks like ass
>>68953295
This is the only decent animation in this thread, and that's because it was animated by one of Japan's top 5 animators
If they were strained by the budget, why didn't they go for familiar stylized proportions rather than semi-realistic proportions? It would be easier to animate, and since it's a highly regarded story capefags are most likely going to buy it anyway.
>>68953733
DC Animation has been trying to distance themselves as much as possible from Bruce Timm's stuff because it gives him too much power over their IP to be the dominant, recognizable style.
Their new cartoons often feature terrible voice actor celebrity stunt-casting, bad animation, and mediocre character designs.
>>68952983
>>68953039
>anime
>good
pick one.
>>68953798
>he hasn't seen Gurren Lagann
>he hasn't seen Evangelion
>>68953713
What "retarded, kinetic shit animation"? And who has been trying to justify "terrible shows"?
>>68953798
You can pick both.
>>68953837
gurren lagaan is faggot bullshit
>>68953859
you have to go back
>>68953846
It happens in animation threads on /tv/ all the time. People point to stuff like >>68953096 and expect everyone to bow down to it's terrible mediocrity.
>>68952609
DCAU movie verse is good. And young justice was ok
>>68953683
Then you're literally illiterate.
>>68953936
What's supposed to be wrong with it?
>>68953974
Then what did you mean?
>>68953961
what is this?
>>68952638
>le wrong generation x 90s bOii
>>68954012
Memories.
>>68953837
Gurren Lagann is unironically one of the worst shows I've ever watched. There wasn't a single likeable character in it.
>>68954027
thank you
>>68953961
Just watched this today. Shit was cash.
>animation
>post still image
>>68953989
It has the frantic energy of a Michael Bay action scene, but the difference is it's done to mask a lower framerate
That lame fight at the end of Sword of the Stranger does the same thing, but kids sploog all over it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR1cMPnMcaY
>>68954060
no one wants to go through the effort to webm that crappy batman trailer
>>68953961
More work went into this one webm than in any recent DC animation movie.
>>68954060
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnTSqgJPVl8
>>68953961
Why doesn't Japan ever try to make their stuff look this good anymore? Do they consider it old-fashioned or something
No anime has animation as good as Snow White, and that movie is almost 100 years old.
>>68954073
Anime almost always uses a low framerate compared to Disney. But animation quality is not determined by framerate. Sword of the Strange's finale for example is very advanced animation.
>>68954120
because all of their big budget films never made their money back in theaters (except Ghibli shit, Akira, and Ghost in the shell 95)
remember how good BB: ROTJ was
>>68953882
I like gurren lagann but it is undoubtedly reddit tier anime
>>68954136
>snowotoscope white
>>68954143
>But animation quality is not determined by framerate
That's part of the equation. The way that anime tries to compensate for a low framerate by doing all these dramatic sweeping camera movements is just annoying. It's there to trick idiots
>>68954157
I remember reading that was done by the team that animated the laser in akira
>>68954180
>Though live action footage of Snow White, the Prince and the Queen was shot as reference for the animators, the artists animators disapproved of rotoscoping, considering it to hinder the production of effective caricature.
>>68953795
>DC Animation has been trying to distance themselves as much as possible from Bruce Timm's stuff because it gives him too much power over their IP to be the dominant, recognizable style
Then if that's the case, why not just take notes from him or other artists' stylizations from different successful DC shows?
>>68954195
>It's there to trick idiots
you have a dim view of filmmaking if you view creative use of camera moves as a bad thing. making up for the shortcomings of a production budget should be commended not maligned.
there is no cheating in filmmaking
>>68954120
TV anime has become more dominant than before at the expense of movies and OVAs, and this kind of realistic, detailed scifi was just a passing trend.
>>68952638
no it seems that way for 2 reasons
1. you only remember the good stuff from back then and you forget all the shit that came with it
2.you're a pseudo-intellectual faggot who thinks himself a film critic
>>68954228
Anime goes overboard with the shortcuts and light on the substance in its animation. There's a reason nobody takes non-ghibli anime seriously outside of weaboos. It's not only the subject matter, it's the lack of craft involved.
For every show like Ping Pong, there are 1500 (or more) disposable ones, and no amount of sakuga youtube videos will change that
>>68954043
Why are you telling me this? I can't help your shit taste.
>>68954173
nope. Reddit manchildren can't deal with the themes of childhood ending and becoming a man.
>>68954157
Warner Bros hasn't hired TMS to animate their shit since, sadly.
>>68954277
Gurren Lagaan is overrated, shallow nonsense. The second half is a mess and the ending is shit. The first half is good for what it is.
>>68954228
>>68954199
>>68954183
>>68954157
Fuck it, I am watching Revenge of the Joker again, if only for Terry taunting the Joker.
What's especially annoying about the current Killing Joke adapdation is that there was barely any attempt to translate Brian Bolland's amazing art to film. I understand it would have been difficult since Bolland's art doesn't lend itself well to animation, but it wouldn't be impossible.
Here's a commercial from the 80s that seems to do it well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi5qoxxQpMY
>>68954195
Anyone familiar with anime is perfectly aware that it has a lower framerate than Disney. It's a part of anime and has been since the beginning. Nobody is being "tricked."
The finale of SotS is extremely complicated because of the detailed character designs, the shading, the complex fight choreography and the three-dimensional camera movement.
>>68954266
>It's not only the subject matter, it's the lack of craft involved.
The level of craft in anime is extremely high, and the only area in which Disney is better at is the smoothness of the animation which is primarily a matter of time and money.
>For every show like Ping Pong, there are 1500 (or more) disposable ones
There are hundreds of anime releases every year, obviously not all of them are going to be remarkable. It's no different for any other artform.
>>68954326
go for it man.
I can't believe they didn't use this as the main credits.
https://vimeo.com/15758539
>>68954226
Because too much stylization = it's for kids in marketing teams' minds.
Just look at the DVD covers. They're one step removed from Alex Ross paintings. They scream tryhard
>>68954157
>Meanwhile in the DC Original Animated Movies
>>68954359
Also:
>There's a reason nobody takes non-ghibli anime seriously outside of weaboos.
This is some No True Scotsman shit.
>>68954195
>>68954266
This. It's too often that Japanese animators overemphasize recoil and make characters move like paper caught in updrafts during action scenes.
>>68954359
>It's no different for any other artform
No, it's definitely different. Japan is shitting out bad anime at an enormous rate. I'm talking one good TV show every few years, and they have hundreds a year.
is this good animation
>>68954309I ATE TOO MANY PAAAANNNNNNCAKESS
>>68954412
90% of everything is shit
>>68954363
I know right?
The entire show is pretty damn good. The opening just sets the mood perfectly and is a work of good animation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMXjtvMAFlI
>>68954412
>I'm talking one good TV show every few years
You're either repeating this as a meme because you have insufficient first hand experience, or your tastes are over-the-top stereotypically Western. Probably a bit of both.
>>68954442
Sturgeon's Law is not an actual law.
>>68954416
If it's not hand-drawn it's sub-par.
>>68954405
>It's too often that Japanese animators overemphasize recoil and make characters move like paper caught in updrafts during action scenes
That's a good way to describe it. A lot of it is the same over-exaggerated nonsense. Sakuga youtube videos all blend together into the exact same bland retread
>when CGI goes wrong
>>68954405
>This.
See >>68954359
>>68954316
manchild detected.
maybe >>>/r/anime might suit your tastes better.
>>68954350
The sad and simple truth is that animation like this would cost more than WB is willing to cough up for a feature-length DTV movie.
>>68954442
If it's true that 90% of everything is shit, then in the case of anime, it's 98%. So much more noise, but arguing with weaboos about it is pointless because it makes them emotional
>>68954251
That's a lot of projecting anon
>>68954539
omg gurren lagaan is so epik XDDD
>>68954463
Anime?
Only nips have that much of a fetish for drawing machines
>>68954556
>If it's true that 90% of everything is shit, then in the case of anime, it's 98%.
It isn't true, and something isn't shit just because it doesn't align with your narrow personal preferences.
>>68954587
yeah. Metropolis
>>68954539
>If you don't like Reddit: The Anime then you belong on Reddit!
Embarrassing, Anon
>>68954598
The character designs and backgrounds really make this look much worse.
>>68954467
This is unremarkable.
>>68952869
Dude's retarded
>>68954618
Yes, we should all be free-thinking butterflies that watch crappy Japanese cartoons like yourself
>>68954434
Fuck that is depressing to read.
>>68953837
TTGL is garbage whether you like anime or not.
>>68954625
Something that often bothers me about American animation is the even speed of everything.
>>68954666
I never said I watch "crappy Japanese cartoons," whatever those are supposed to be.
I don't know why people bother arguing over this shit, no one changes their mind. Same thing with politics.
>>68954297
Isn't this the anime that was had animation so realistic some critics thought it was rotoscoped?
>>68954728
Agreed, just keep posting dope webms like this one
>>68954728
what is this from
>>68954552
It's R rated as well, effectively cutting the audience
>>68954658
I've already stated Reddit cannon handle Gurren Lagaan themes and cannot truly understand it.
Gurren Lagaan /= Reddit
>>68954712
My condolences for your awful taste.
>>68952638
>Have people simply stopped trying?
Know the politics:
1. In the past half decade, professional animators have lost a considerable amount of leeway they had in the animation industry due to demographic and media trends (internet, movie adaptations, etc.)
2. Upcoming animators and designers are being oversaturated and are set in default occupations such as low wage positions at Disney, Dreamworks, Nickelodeon, and Cartoon Network.
3. Art schools have lost a lot of fundamental courses, causing students to be undereducated in necessary animation and color techniques.
And this stuff is not only a western problem. These issues can be seen in eastern animation as well.
>>68954753
yeah. Hiroyuki Okiura
>>68954384
I'm confused, is this supposed to be good or bad? Looks neither, nothing especially good but nothing bad
>>68954786
Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust 2001 verison
>>68954793
TTGL themes are about as generic and simplistic as it gets in anime.
Reddit loves that shit.
You literally only like it because you watched it as a child and had no point of reference.
>b-but muh manime!
>ROW ROW 10 BILLION PERCENT SO OVER THE TOP LMAO
>>68954806
>These issues can be seen in eastern animation as well.
I've never heard anything about these problems occuring in Japan.
>>68954836
it's more the ridiculousness of a gatling arrow gun
>>68954838
this looks amazing
>>68952609
>implying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2vzBdIejVY
>>68954728
i was lurking until now but i kinda like the discussion, i only watch Miyazaki films and know nothing about the subject - but I used to like Alan Moore's book so I checked out the trailer and couldn't put my finger on what was bothering me.
Same thing with All Star Superman. Somehow the animation and the acting makes the text feel downright retarded.
>>68954503
why? fucking purist
>>68954297
>>68954815
aw shit I'm gonna watch this RIGHT NOW. Thanks anon.
>>68954815
Did Okiura also work on the Magnetic Rose segment of Memories? It really looks like his style.
>>68954843
It's occurring mainly with the wage shit, which is why the better animators are free lance artists these days. But it might make a turn around with netflix and amazon commissioning their own anime productions for their streaming services with budgets 1.5-2x's more then current anime budgets.
>>68954881
Not him, but it isn't good animation regardless of how it was made.
>>68954842
manchild detected.
>>68954889
yes he worked on the dinner scene of Magnetic Rose
>>68954868
Fun fact, the guy who directed this is an ex-Disney animator who worked on films like Tarzan (he animated Sabor). He's also the artist for the comic Blacksad.
>>68954931
child child detected.
amerifats won't admit their adobe flash animation is shit so everyone adopted it
>>68954933
Thought so. Is there a good list anywhere of the various stuff he's worked on? I really dig his style
>>68954958
damn you guys really added berserk
>>68954910
I think what they were saying was that it was subpar BECAUSE it wasn't hand drawn
>>68954843
The eastern animation industry's main issues are oversaturated markets and desperate conformity.
Japan has had a self-defeating distribution method and China has been trying really hard to mimic the west ever since Kung Fu Panda.
>>68954902
The anime industry has always had low wages for animators, at least in the beginning of their careers.
For a highly skilled animator it makes sense to be a freelancer, and they're only able to command higher pay than most other animators because companies are willing to pay them.
>But it might make a turn around with netflix and amazon commissioning their own anime productions for their streaming services with budgets 1.5-2x's more then current anime budgets.
Shows with a Western company on the production committee are a drop in the bucket, and the presence of a Western company doesn't mean the budget is going to balloon and everyone gets paid more.
>>68954969
He's worked on a fuck-ton of shit. But if you want projects that allowed them to use his style (the slow deliberate movement where it looks so articulate that it sort of looks like cel-shaded CG) then
Ghost in the Shell 2 : Innocence
Letters to Momo
(Memories/Jin Roh as I'm sure you know) the kid panic scene from Akira, several moments in Metropolis.
>>68955035
>desperate conformity
This is a myth.
>>68955035
>>68955042
It's kinda bullshit that the highest paying job in Eastern animation is voice acting.
>>68955105
It's the same in the west too, even with the 3d productions
producers like fucking over animators like dogs
>>68952609
All the DC cartoon movies look like cheap dogshit. Honestly the last 2d well animated movie I can think of is the Disney nigger princess one
>>68955126
It just seems so weird to me since the most important job in animation is being an animator. You can make a cartoon without VAs, but you sure as hell can't make a cartoon without skilled animators.
>>68952877
How does his age affect modern animation being outsourced to 3rd world countries?
>>68955163
Most of pre-flashpoint stuff look pretty good mate.
>>68953859
>>68954043
>>68954712
Jesus Christ, how far has /tv/ fallen. Not only is it one of the most beloved modern anime series it got full marks from nearly every single reviewer when it came out.
>>68955105
Yeah if you're an A-list talent. A lot of voice actors only get sporadic supporting or minor roles and can't make ends meet just by anime voice acting.
And why are you calling it "Eastern animation" when you're obviously just talking about Japan?
>all these clips from anime where you know full well that the entire budget for the movie/show was spent on this singular scene and the rest of the movie/show is just people barely moving and talking but weeaboos will constantly pretend that anime is somehow better than american animation
>>68955100
>This is a myth.
In what way? If you're referring to Japan, then yes, you are right. China, on the other hand, has made a bigger push on using bare Dreamworks animation and storytelling techniques from over a decade ago in an attempt to make their animation industry more prevalent, or at least not be overshadowed by foreign media.
>>68955196
Not those guys but I really didn't get the appeal of Gurren. It's just your standard shonan bullshit, filler episodes and all. It's like people praising soul eater or one piece.
I mean they're not bad but how the fuck did gurren get such a following.
>>68954467
This show was way better than it had any right to be. I don't even like capeshit children's shows, but my friend convinced me to give this a try and I'm glad I did, because goddamn was it good.
>>68955203
>the rest of the movie/show is just people barely moving and talking
Myth.
>weeaboos will constantly pretend that anime is somehow better than american animation
But it is better. Drastically better.
>>68954944
lame comeback 2bh.
Evangelion is a different beast.
>>68955251
>he can't see why people like one piece
>>68955251
A filler episode as I understand it is something that stalls the show so it doesn't catch up with the manga, and that only happens with daytime shows. So it's not applicable to Gurren.
>>68955251
>It's just your standard shonan bullshit
It's making fun of the macho anime that used to be on tv before the turn of the century using mecha as it's exterior. Seriously, it's satire just like Kill La Kill, how did you not realize this?
>>68955126
>producers like fucking over animators like dogs
This, and they're all in on it together.
>>68955299
I really can't, bro. It's all just standard shonen shit.
Could you explain why you like it? Honest question.
>>68955332
>it's satire
>>68955203
>barely moving
someone hasn't watched Metropolis, Akira, Redline or Steamboy
>>68955196
It's an ego pandering show so of course low self-esteem idiots are going to give it high praise. Wow, a fucking teenager solves everything with violence and shouting really loud. Worse than 90s disney movies, honestly
>>68955332
Just like kill la kill, it ends up becoming the thing it set out to parody. Doing the exact same tropes and chiches that other anime do under the guise of "everyone does it so it's funny!" doesn't mean that it's interesting. It didn't do anything new with those cliches. It didn't do *anything* new.
>>68955333
that's just sort of filmmaking in general, I worked like 6 hours of unpaid OT a week on my last show in post production
>>68955352
it's satire like Deadpool.
It's only half making fun of its genre but at the same time it's trying to be a good show as well.
>>68955408
that sucks anon, have a happy little girl to cheer you up
>>68955196
it's popular, so it's bad
>>68955363
You missed the point completely. It's blatantly making fun of those type of shows. It's a fucking parody. Either you haven't watched enough anime to understand this, you are completely illiterate when it comes to theme and tone, or you're really stupid.
>>68955465
>I don't understand what a parody is
jesus christ /tv/
It's fucking tongue in cheek, not a parody.
>>68955347
Not really but I do like it a lot. I grew up with it though. There's gotta be a good reason for why it's so popular in japan.
>>68952638
I blame fat people. Think about it a moment, there's more fat people today, fat people drag all standards down. They're too lazy and stupid to appreciate nice things, they're too lazy and stupid to make nice things. It's the fats, there's no way around it. GOD HATES FATS
>>68955465
It's not and you must be confusing it with EVA. Gurren Lagaan is just toonami trash.
>>68955497
Well if you grew up with it then I can't really argue against nostalgia.
>>68955363
>teenager solves everything with violence and shouting really loud
This is what got on my nerves when watching the show. Early in the series, people berated Kamina for being hardheaded and blunt with his tactics. But then the rest of the series consist of people being brash and just as hardheaded and being victorious.
Save for production values, it doesn't vary too much from most other mech series.
at least it's not CGI trash.
>>68955512
EVA isn't a parody at all you stupid fuck.
Parody implies comedy, EVA was a humorless deconstruction.
It was critiquing anime, not making fun of it.
>>68955512
It apparently aired on Toonami seven years after its Japanese premiere. So what does the show have to do with Toonami?
>>68955548
Gurren Laggan doesn't make fun of anime cliches, it embraces them.
go back to /co/ nerds
>>68955503
I know that's a logical fallacy but I can't remember the name of it. Something about even though two events happen at the same time, it doesn't mean it's correlated.
If anything it's about how lazy people are, and how they're willing to accept animation having budget cuts because they don't know any better
>>68955537
it's not about how he solved his problems, it was about him finding the courage to do so.
>>68955588
My fucking nigger. Redline is GOATalso checked
>>68955582
>I know that's a logical fallacy but I can't remember the name of it.
Correlation does not imply causation?
>>68955568
which is why it's tongue in cheek.
your average pleb who thinks TTGL is 10/10 has a limited vocabulary so they call anything that's not 100% serious a parody.
>>68955449
What nationality was the main character of Magnetic Rose meant to be? German?
>tfw you remember Satoshi Kon is dead
>>68955568
again like I said here >>68955415 it's not a full on parody. I agree with you.
>>68955560
Toonami has never picked any anime without training wheels. It means it follows the baby formula cartoon aimed for kids below 14
>>68955598
so like every other shonen ever?
>>68955635
now i'm sad
>>68955650
It's not a shonan like Naruto or One Piece.
>>68955614
I think? I don't know I'm not a doctor. But that sounds right.
>>68955588
>>68955611
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok2369YY2P8
>>68955634
Yeah, his name is Hans and during the dinner scene you can hear german music as well.
>>68955648
What Toonami chooses to air seven years later has nothing to do with the show.
>baby formula cartoon aimed for kids below 14
Are you confusing Gurren with some American show?
>>68955691
>>68955196
I don't trust video game "reviewers", and they're infinitely more credible than anime """"""""reviewers""""""""".
>>68955691
This song is my fucking jam. I blare this shit when I'm on the highway like an autist and it feels so good
>>68955717
the anime industry is way to close to financial disaster to pay off reviewers.
Why did Dreamworks stop doing 2D?
>>68955710
yeah toonami picking It just means it's for teenagers
>>68955749DELIVER US
>>68955749
They liked 3d more since over half of those screen caps in your pic were cel shaded CG sequences. Plus 3d film production is quicker and garners more $$$ at the box office.
>>68955679
Dumb kid gets an expensive toy/amazing skill to beat everything bad in his life while throwing a tantrum. Sounds like a shounen to me.
>>68955679
but it is
>>68955745
I'm not doubting that.
I'm doubting that any anime reviewer has any sort of journalistic experience or education other than "I wrote a review for my favorite anime on my blog xD"
>>68955745
How is the anime industry close to financial disaster?
>>68955749
My theory as to why Americans stopped doing 2D is that they weren't able to go very far with it, and audiences lost interest once they saw what could be done with 3D.
3D animation production is also easier in various ways, though not cheaper.
>>68955757
If it's for teenagers it's because that's how it was made in the first place, for the Japanese market. Toonami has nothing to do with it.
Animators get lazy. Everything is just easier if you make it digitally, instead of hand draw with pen and pencil scan it in and then use digital shit.
>>68955828
>>68955831
no
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurren_Lagann
>>68955598
But Simon does that in the middle of the series. Before and after that character arc is completed, the show consists of him and the underdeveloped supporting cast getting into fights with little to no variation in how they win, just specific changes in setting.
>>68955831
That's the manga, not the anime.
A manga that runs in a shounen magazine is a shounen manga, and a manga that runs in a shoujo magazine is a shoujo manga. Theoretically the content of the manga is completely irrelevant. The Cowboy Bebop manga for example ran in a shoujo magazine.
These demographics don't exist for original anime.
>>68955892
>These demographics don't exist for original anime.
So there's no such thing as a shounen anime. Gotcha.
>>68955890
do you remember all of the kamina and anti-spiral flashbacks? the end was about everybody finding the courage to help save humanity.
>>68955849
>My theory as to why Americans stopped doing 2D is that they weren't able to go very far with it, and audiences lost interest once they saw what could be done with 3D.
I think it has to do more with the fact that thanks to Disney everyone sees cartoons as intrinsically childish, regardless of their actual content. Unlike in Japan, there aren't any cartoons made for young adults/actual adults outside of animated sitcoms.
>>68955928
that's a good theory as well. Films like Road to Eldorado and Titan AE went for a more mature story but it confused the american public in the marketing department so they both tanked financially.
>>68955196
>it got full marks from nearly every single reviewer when it came out.
Where?
http://www.metacritic.com/tv/gurren-lagann
>>68955955
I should add that anime was slowly heading in the same direction... until Akira happened.
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>>68955955
Obligatory Iron Giant mention.
>>68955926
in the end he shouts really loud and his dumb giant /v/eddit robot fixes all his problems
>>68955971
The fuck is going on with the backgrounds?
