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"Snoke's origins will never be explained."
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http://variety.com/2016/film/news/star-wars-episode-viii-photos-rian-johnson-1201763498/

>"Nobody knows where the Emperor came from," the director remarked. "Why should I waste time creating a backstory for a character who, in all honesty, wouldn't even benefit from it? The story is only moving in one direction - foward."

How do you feel about that?
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"writing is hard" - Hollywood 2016
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I don't care because I don't watch movies made for children
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miss me yet?
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>>68945517
Actually yes.
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But the emperor came from Naboo. It's canon now.
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this is the correct decision
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I don't watch these movies, but that seems perfectly reasonable. Only manchildren and extended universe autists care about "backstories".
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Feel pretty weird since that article has nothing to do with the Emperor or Snoke.
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>>68945439
>let's just to the same thing over again
>being original to too hard
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>>68945455
>Making it up as you go
>Unanswered questions that mean you're free to do whatever cause there's no logical reason for anything
>Fan service as you go

Sounds like we're heading into the golden age of cinema! Fan theories will do the work where writers and producers are lazy and can't legit explain cause and effect!

Spaceshit was a mistake
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Based Johnson saving StarKino
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>>68945439
>Nobody knows where the Emperor came from
Are you fucking kidding me?

>>68945517
Goddammit George, I fucking hate your prequels and virtually everything you did post-Episode VI, but goddamn if I can honestly say I don't.
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Can someone help explain why should I care?
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>>68945439
So they're not going to flesh out the post galactic civil war era at all? What is the fucking point of making a new trilogy?
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>>68945618
Writing went completely to shit ever since that strike.
Even blockbusters were decently written at least back then.
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>>68945439
Rian literally cant do anything wrong

hes bringing it back. this is going to be the best episode
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>>68945439
So they will never explain how he got in his actual position in the story?

>Nobody knows where the Emperor came from

But we do, Disney literally did it.
We also know how he got in power thanks to the prequels.
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>>68945712
we dont know where his dark side teachings came from...inb4 have you ever heard the story..'
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This is copypasta and the link is to something different. OP did it before but with Kylo instead of Snoke.
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>>68945678
expanded universe films! Stand alone materials! Get your wallet out cause some other director will do that movie sometime I guess, who knows? It doesn't matter!
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>>68945439
fake quote breh
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>FUCK YOU! That's why

>FUCK YOU! You'll buy it anyway

If people still pay money to see things happening that have no reason, and enjoy it, that's their call
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It'll just be explored at a later time when there's $$$$ to be made from telling it and they can milk it further
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>>68945751
>>68945755

>its an anon doesnt bother to check sources nefore sprouting his spastic opinions episode
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>Boy I wish I knew the backstory of Emperor Sheev Palpatine
>Jar Jar Binks nominated him into office?
>OK then
>boy, I sure am glad that I asked for that.
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>>68945792
He was the key to all of it.
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>>68945792
>Jar Jar Binks nominated him into office?
But he didn't.
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this is less about the characters story but his motivation.
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>>68945790
>it's a 'he clicks links to give money to clickbait' thread

id rather be wrong than put money in one piece of shits wallet
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>"Nobody knows where the Emperor came from"
But we fucking do.
>was a politician on Naboo who worked his way up to the post of chancellor.
>know he's been a Sith for a long time
>his master was almost certainly Darth Plagueis
I mean sure the movies don't give us his entire biography but we know enough to understand his motivations, where he's coming from and where he's going.
>lol we won't tell you shit about this guy because le mystery
What a fucking hack.
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>>68945818
> my dellow felegates
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>>68945831
i didnt click anything. i just know rian wouldnt say that
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Is Snoke the Villain in Captain America: Civil War?
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>>68945849
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>>68945899
fuck whats it like being a mindreader

exceptional
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>>68945930
?
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>>68945517
Yes. Episode 2 was shit, but I really liked episode 3 and 1 even had it's charms(the Darth Plagueis book adds to the episode 1 story quite a bit, highly recommended).
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>>68945950
see

>>68945792
>>68945751
>>68945755
>>68945745
>>68945790
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>>68945967
ok
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I mean, it's not like he needs a backstory. But the Emperor made up for it by being charming as fuck.

Maybe Snoke could be fun, but he doesn't seem that interesting yet
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Based Rian

This is the best decision

Prequelbabies are already triggered
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Reminder rian likes the prequels as far as their originality goes
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>"BUT ORIGINAL TRILOGY..."
How would you even try to do something new and interesting with this franchise when such a retards are working? Star Wars got to popular for it's own sake, neither filmmakers nor public want anything new in it.
SW got to popular for it's own sake, we'll never get anything new out of it. If George truly cared about it he should have fucking burry it. Get ready for endles reruns of Old Trilogy.
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>>68945967
Not attempting to accomplish what a bad writer failed to do is just lazy, pure and simple.

JJ loves putting zero context in shit, whether it needs that context or not.

If Snoke's origins aren't important to the plot, then it's fine, but if this decision ends up filling the story full of holes, then there is no excuse for it.
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>>68946114
except they are letting Rian handle starkino

disney knows they need to inject some original filmmaking.. they arent scared of it doing badly because it wont it cant. episode viii is guaranteed 1.5 billion
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>Episode 7, 8 and 9 are nostalgic wanks
>Episode 10, 11, 12 all try something new and different, end up making less money than 7, 8 and 9.
>Episode 13, 14 and 15 revert to extreme nostalgic wanks

and there lies the cycle.
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do they have to come from somewhere? Can't there be self trained sith? Saying he must have a master that turned him evil is childish. That proves you all star wars fans are retarded manchildren
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You fucking children are so retarded that you fall for it twice. How about clicking the link for once? I bet the OP could've fucking linked beastiality porn and not one of you fuckers would've noticed. You would've still bought what OP said cause you are all mentally disabled 12 year olds.
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when the Episode VIII trailer drops everyone will be shitting themselves. Guaranteed. Here's a taste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zfw8__A7ps
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>nuSW directors
>acting like they have any kind of creative control over it
If Disney will feel any money in Snokes backstory I bet your as we'll see entire new trilogy about it.
Hacks working on new Star Wars movies should drop the act, they are merely remaking Lucas ideas. It's ok for directors but if you are writer working on a SW movie you are cuck and a piece of shit.
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>>68946226
youre right on point 1

For point two I think episode 10 will do "poorly" by disney standards and at that point there will be an episode 6 remake
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>>68946226
oh youve seen the script for episode viii and are directing episode ix??? fuck off nigger
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Look out Hack hack and George you worthless fat blob

Rian will show you how to make real KINOGRAPHY

The new era of starkino is already around the corner
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>>68946273
look mom i posted it again


fuck yourself. you have no idea how filmmaking is done nor have you been paying attention to anything in the last 6 months when it comes to episode viii. they are letting Rian run with it
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>>68946251

This is the 4th time I did this. Tomorrow I'll probably title the thread "We will not be exploring the effects of the Republic's destruction." link the same article, and then greentext this:

>"Nobody once remarked at the line "the senate has been swept away" in Star Wars. Nobody. It was something you accepted, and then moved on from. We will not be exploring the Republic at all. The conflict is between the Resistance and the First Order. That's it. It gets messy if you over-complicate things with politics."
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>>68946278
>episode vi remake
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>>68946338
And the faggots will fall for it again
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>>68945517
I fucking miss you daddy, come back daddy, why did you sell me to the white slavers daddy?
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Star Wars fans hate thorough explanations, didn't you know?
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>>68945517
no

fuck you
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>>68945439
Eh. Whatever I didn't give a fuck anyways. It is better they don't say anything then to come up with something shitty
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>>68945439
This is the second time this has been pulled and retards still think it's real.
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He'll get backstory but it'll be a huge twist that's why they say that
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>>68945439
Lets face it, these new Star Wars movies are nothing but fan fiction movies, Lucas himself will never have anything to do with these movies so they mean nothing. If Film is to be considered an art form then the Artist that made the previous 6 having nothing to do with the new ones would be like someone creating a painting today and trying to pass it off as a Picasso or Van Gogh.
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>>68945439
>How do you feel about that?
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>>68946412
and they ignore the people pointing it out and continue to act like mongoloids. I think they're just memeing.
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>>68946412

4th. Fake links about:

>Rey's parents not being revealed in 8
>Poe remaining a supporting character, Oscar only on set for 5 days
>Kylo's motivations will not be explored
>Snoke has no backstory

tomorrow will be that the movie will not explain what happened to the Republic
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>>68945517
>miss me yet?

Never. Even if Disney ran this franchise into the ground, still I wouldn't care for this hack.
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>>68946461
>Star Wars movies are nothing but fan fiction movies, Lucas himself will never have anything to do with these movies so they mean nothing
top kek

>If Film is to be considered an art form then the Artist that made the previous 6 having nothing to do with the new ones would be like someone creating a painting today and trying to pass it off as a Picasso or Van Gogh.

except Rian is a fucking kinophile
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>>68946422
>he was Obi-Wan the whole time
>they'll explain why he vanished when Vader cut him down with force teleportation and how Kenobi is actually the most evil being in the galaxy
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/tv/ is going to love Episode VIII its an unobjective fact. It will be 100% fresh on here. I reccommend not watching the trailers because I wont. Im going into this in the dark. I will not be browsing any Star wars threads next year and might forgo browsing all together until its released, then I will bask in Star Wars glory.
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>>68946666
I'm gonna say I hate it just because you fucked up perfectly good quads with that awful post.
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>>68946051
the emperor was just a fan as fuck villain, cackling and being evil and all that. snoke just a grimdark le angry cgi monster villain. so boring and gay, fuck you disney and jj abrams you kike
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>>68945517
Never. We can't look back. Especially when the past is so shitty. I'm glad we're finished with George. Whatever happens next, I'll always be happy it's done. This forced meme has no power. George is finished with Star Wars and that's a wonderful wonderful feeling.
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>>68946748
We really don't know much yet. Sheev was about as charismatic as Snoke in A New Hope.

Not saying they'll change Snoke at all from the first movie, only that the Emperor was at his best from episode VI on.
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>>68946841
Not even surprisingly good pit game will change my mind.
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>>68945439
The original trilogy never xplained where did the emperor come from. Or did any of the old movies do?
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>>68946905
thats ok i dont even really like her as an actress
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>>68945439
It literally mentions nothing in this article about Snoke dipshit.
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>>68946908
Guaranteed replies.
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>>68946929
As an actress she's fucking terrible.
I'd bend her ayylmao ass over a table any day of the week, but goddamn.
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>>68947002
>>68946841
Don't make me jerk off at this thread.
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I don't care aslong as I get more jedifu and badass Luke
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Holy fuck I hope you retards are just memeing. It's a fake quote, the article is just about updates from the set or some shit.
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oh dear
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>>68947167
George Lucas Height

5' 6" (1.68m)


and they both wear glasses. Rian confirmed new Lucas
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>>68945517

Episode 8 could be Daisy Ridley shitting in a lunch bag and asking me to huff it and I would still not miss you.
But I would have new movie to fap to every single day until I died.
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>>68945557
It's been canon since fucking phantom menace
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>>68945439
But unlike the original trilogy, these new movies are entirely dependent on what came before them to work as a plotline.

Regardless of his personal origin, we HAVE to gain some insight into what Snoke's stake is in replicating the original Empire, otherwise it's going to end on a very confusing and sour note.
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>>68945517
Die of autism, already.
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>94 replies
lmao you fags really fell for this?
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>>68947081
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>>68947539
You motherfucker.
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This man is a man who understands SCOPE and PACING and directs with INTENT
This movie is the classic Hero's Journey, no point in which do we deviate from the hero to delve into the life and turmoil of the bad guy. He gets it.
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>>68947587
>yfw plebs cant understand this
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>>68947539
>>68947240
>>68947002
>>68946841
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>>68945517
yes

>brand new worlds
>interesting settings
>new characters that don't feel like a cheap rip of old ones
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>>68947692
You're wrong about the characters. They weren't cheap rip-offs, no, but that's only because they were two-dimensional cutouts with minimal at best personality with the exception of Sheev and that piece of shit Jar Jar.
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>>68945517
I've missed you since they announced you wouldn't be directing, sir.

>see OT when I was like 5 or 6
>see ep1 when it came out and I was 9 so I ate it up, and left the theater happy if only because the duel of fates was near the end and thats all I was thinking about
>see ep2 when I was 12 and, again, leave the theater happy if only because the ending was enjoyable with a dual-wielding Anakin and Yoda finally showing his skills
>see ep3 opening night and love it from start to finish
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>>68945517
hahahahahahahahah

NO
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>>68945439
Not knowing where the Emperor came from didn't matter, because it wasn't relevant to the story. However, insofar as the sequel trilogy are, well, sequels, Snoke's origins do matter because the gap between RotJ and TFA is a significant and vital one to the story.

We don't need encyclopedic elaboration, but knowing where the fuck Snoke came from and how he got to be where he is is a vital part of Luke, Leia, and Kylo story. Totally ignoring that would be a clumsy and contrived move.
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>>68947392
This.
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Fuck Obi Wan jerking off in some desert. Only manchild cucks want that

Give us the Sheev origin movie
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>>68947832
>Totally ignoring that would be a clumsy and contrived move.
because every single thing about TFA wasn't both clumsy and contrived
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>>68948149
Good point.
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>>68948149
Forcing Finn, a potentially dramatic character considering the gravity of his turnaround, into comic relief was a bad move. It was clear that John Boyega wasn't a comedian or even that funny. His character needed a rewrite.
Wouldn't have hurt to let him keep his natural accent either, as acting is harder when faking one.
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>>68945439
>"Snoke's origins will never be explained."
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>>68947895
>Fuck Obi Wan jerking off in some desert. Only manchild cucks want that
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>shitty thread turns into Daisy thread
aces chums
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>>68948386
I'm sure we'll get a sequel prequel triology to explain us everything.
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>>68945875
He didn't nominate him to office. He started the vote to give him emergency powers (including the sheev spin power), which set him up to attain the similar UNLIMITED POWER.
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>>68946518
>why? what did the hack do? invent star wars which you love?
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>>68948833
If he got his way with his first script it would've been fucking horrible.
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I hope you people are ready for the prequel-sequel trilogy.
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since we only saw a massive projection of snoke, I bet he will be super short or something like that as a plot twist
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Never doubt based Rian
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>>68947539
Thanks for keeping the best picture, mods.
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>>68945517
Go to bed, George.
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>>68947083
Are they going to have plush baby bitch boots or something just a little more serious?
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>>68948833
>Invent Star Wars maymay

Star Wars's success has much more to do with than just Lucas
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>>68945618
Oh so exactly like DCucks are doing for Batman v Superman.
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>>68948357
>tfw JewJew's little affirmative action pet turned out to be the only good part of the movie
I really, really didn't expect that. But I agree he didn't have to be comic relief either, reluctant and somewhat incompetent hero would've been fine.

Him as comic relief was still league better than fucking maRey sue though
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>>68945517
Yes
>>68945439
>Nobody knows where the Emperor came from
I know /tv/ doesn't like the EU, but I'm going back to it's Warhammer bullshit in the Vong and Dragon Ball bullshit in Dark Empire, Jew Jew is just bad.
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>>68954102
>ywn ;D
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>>68945517
WHY U SOLD OUT BRAH ?
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>>68946461
>Lets face it, these new Star Wars movies are nothing but fan fiction movies
Let's quit pretending the prequels fucking weren't. They were just poorly executed attempts to pander to things the fans liked in the OT. The goddamn sword dancing, the cheap over-reliance on green screen shot in the director's house, the terrible """"world building"""", the autistic over-explanation of the force and the jedi, the ridiculous "lore" that was added about the rule of 2, virginal birth, turning that popular henchman from the first movie into literal space jesus.

F A N F I C T I O N
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>>68945517
NOPE. Best creative decision he ever made was selling Lucasfilm for 1/3rd it's worth.
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>>68945439
>ITT: idiots who can't click open a link
No where on that page is there a quote form Johnson like that. What the fuck people.
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>>68945439
were in that article does he say that?
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>>68946114
not true.
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>>68946114
>Get ready for endles reruns of Old Trilogy.
My body is ready.
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>mfw dozens of people fell for OP's shitty bait
All of you retards should be gassed.
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>>68945439
>Again just taking from the OT and not introducing anything new
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OUTRAGE

Rian Johnson is rejecting decades of backstory wisdom. Like PROMETHEUS > "where did the space jockey come from??". Like MIDICHLORIANS > "where does The Force come from??" Like THE THING prequel.

When are you idiots going to learn how important explaining irrelevant details can be for Disney's bank account???
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>>68945439
He just confirmed that he wasn't a star wars fan, because if he was, he would know about where Sheev came from in the old EU
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>>68945439
>Can't know where you're going if you don't know where you've been
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>>68945439
But he's exactly right.
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>>68945517
Yes, but just because flannel is comfy and familiar. Don't write anything though, please.
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>>68945712
The prequels were awful though. Giving him a backstory was terrible.
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>>68945849
How did he become a sith? Starting at the middle or towards the end of his story is hardly a backstory. Anakin was given a fuckin backstory. Not sheev.
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>>68951481
*books ticket
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>>68945439
>excellent bait OP you've caught a lot of cock today you hungry faggot
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>>68945517
Yes and no.

George shouldnt have sold to it to the jews but also should have taken a step back and let others do the work like with the animated series
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>>68945439
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA NO NO NO NO NO NO
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FUCKING NIGGER SHIT FUCKING FUCK!
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>>68945596

kike detected
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>>68946057

fuck off, shelomo
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>>68945439
>"Snoke's origins will never be explained."

Thank fuck for that.

>Darth Vader is legendary movie villain
>prequels explain his backstory
>It's absolutely fucking terrible
>Darth Vader doesn't seem so badass anymore

I don't want to see Snoke as a whiny teenager who hates sand. The only people annoyed by this decision would be people who liked the prequels, and their opinion can be safely ignored.
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>expecting anything from a glorified toys commercial

??????????????


There's no story to be told, only tickets to be sold.
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>>68945956
>Yes. Episode 2 was shit, but I really liked episode 3 and 1 even had it's charms(the Darth Plagueis book adds to the episode 1 story quite a bit, highly recommended).

yeah, this - exactly. that book added so much to the prequels and definitely improved episode 1 a few notches.
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>>68945557
>It's canon now.

It was canon in Episode I, that was the whole reason for him being publicly involved and getting elected Chancellor.
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>>68945517

>wanting a director that kicks out anyone who disagree with him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX7tleH0Q9M
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>establish time line
>number movies in order
>go from 6 to 7

HURR THAT BIG PIECE OF HISTORY THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN 6 AND 7 WHEN THE EMPIRE FELL AND THE REBELS ROSE UP ISN'T IMPORTANT DURR
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>>68945439
>"Nobody knows where the Emperor came from,"
except people who saw his backstory in Episode I to III.

But yeah, I agree, it's better not going into too much detail about this stuff.
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>>68946247
But he knows about Vader killing Sheev, according to the TFA book (based on the shooting script).
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reminder that star wars rhymes with star bores and that's exactly what it is; boring
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>>68961248
you should write for the Daily Show
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>>68945439

>Nobody knows where the Emperor came from

Yes we do, and the Jews at Disney will never be able to erase that.
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>>68945439
>"Nobody knows where the Emperor came from,"
...He was born on Naboo and later served as Senator. At some point he became apprentice to Darth Plageuis the Wise, and killed him in his sleep. Then he became Chancellor, then Emperor.
This isn't even EU bullshit, that was literally in the films.
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>>68961295
Nobody knew in 1983.

Who is Rian Johbson anyways? Is he a good director?
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>>68961482
Besides the horrid understanding of time-travel and rampant plot holes, Looper was actually quite enjoyable.
Because there's no time-travel in Star Wars (yet, anyway), I think he'll do a great job with VIII.
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>Nobody knows where the Emperor came from
He came from Naboo, was taught in the Sith ways by Darth Plagueis and eventually became the Senator of Naboo, and we all know where that lead.
Rian Johnson is a hack.
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>>68945439
taking from all three star wars and rehashing them into a non story that went nowhere is moving forward for Lucas film AGL(after George Lucas)
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>>68961067
Fuck off shill, it's obvious they wrote themselves into a corner trying to force "Le #Dark-Side returns!" and have no fucking way to explain it without actually doing work, i.e: the thing Hollywood stopped caring about after the writers strike made them hire Jew producers' children instead of actual, talented writers.
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>>68945517
nope

TFA wasn't great by any means, but anything beats those shit stains you name the prequels.
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>>68961585
>Rian Johnson is a hack

Yup. BRING BACK LUCAS
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If you talk with anyone 16 and under they'll mention how they'll never look back and appreciate the original trilogy like the true fans did. Its scary seeing children raised this way with this mentllity, because then theres no appreciate for what came before or a sense of preservation.
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>>68946763
>Never. We can't look back.
han solo movie obi wan movie bobafett movie steal the plans movie
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>>68954591

>star wars fans
>falling for this trap
>mfw
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>>68945439
> "Why should I waste time creating a backstory for a character[...]


Wow, this people just care about the fucking money, don't they? God forbid they spend a couple days thinking about something that can give depth to a story.
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>>68961852
it's a fake quote, you dummy
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>>68947587
>it's the 'Hero's Journey' Aspie cunt, again, kids!
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>>68945586
It's one thing to say they will never film his backstory, that is the correct decision, but not even writing it down for yourselves is stupid, it means he's not even a character and your setting lacks integrity. I call it "new cynicism," the new style of blockbuster filmmaking where Hollywood talks about how they know the fans so well they're only going to work on the stuff that directly feeds into making money and people actually applaud it.
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>>68945596
>Only manchildren and extended universe autists care about "backstories".

then why are we getting YOUNG HAN, YOUNG BOBA and YOUNG YODA flicks?
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>>68962027
>then why are we getting YOUNG HAN, YOUNG BOBA and YOUNG YODA flicks?
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>starcucks changes hands from manchild hack to jewish hacks
>starcucks fanboys' screaming intensifies as they're tossed from a hot hell to a cold hell
>yfw never liked the shitty franchise and enjoying the carnage
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>>68945439
>http://variety.com/2016/film/news/star-wars-episode-viii-photos-rian-johnson-1201763498/
>>"Nobody knows where the Emperor came from," the director remarked. "Why should I waste time creating a backstory for a character who, in all honesty, wouldn't even benefit from it? The story is only moving in one direction - foward."
>How do you feel about that?


>Americans their attitude towards history and the past.
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>It's a "No one actually reads the article the OP posted" episode
Oh boy these ones always restore my faith in this shit existence
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>>68961525
I will be very upset if he shoves time travel in.
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>>68945517
George you may be a hack and your prequels shit, but it was your shit George and your shit, although foul smells like fresh rain on a cool spring's day compared to the cluster smelly bomba fuck squeezed out by jar jar and the mole rat company.
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>>68945517
No, fuck off you untalented retard fuck.
>>68945439
YOU BETTER MAKE A BACKSTORY OR ILL BUST YOUR SKULL YOU UNTALENTED FUCK!!!!!!!!!!
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>>68945439
>"Why should I waste time creating a backstory for a character who, in all honesty, wouldn't even benefit from it?"

The writing benefits because you can further understand you character and their motivations. I guess it doesn't matter if he's just gonna be generic bad guy #2.

This series has been fucking fucking toy commercials since RotJ. At least that commercial still had some memorable moments and resolutions to characters we'd grown to love.

This series is gonna be mediocre going forward. Inoffensive, pleasant and playing on nostalgia. It has nothing else to offer.
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>>68945439
>nobody even bothers to read the link
why are people on 4chan are gullible?
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>one of the largest draws for people to see all three movies

>hurr durr why should i bother

Holy shit i have never heard of anything so stupid in my life
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So /tv/ literally just made that quote up right?

And /tv/ is gladly eating up the bait because you haven't been triggered in 20 minutes and you need to feel something?
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>>68945439
I find it really sad hat americucks need everything explained to them
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