I just finished watching this film for the first time and I am still in a state of shock. Is this a masterpiece /tv/?
>>68865323
yes. easily one of Bergman's more powerful films.
>>68865323
I loved Persona when I watched it a few months ago. I'll be the first to admit I didn't completely "get" it, but everything, the acting, the story, the cut scenes, were all excellent, and I enjoyed trying to put everything together. I'll probably get around to watching it again soon.
>>68865323
Definitely
the girl on the bottom left is so ugly lol
>>68865323
This movie hit me in the mind with a sack of bricks and told me to wake the fuck up. Quite an experience seeing this for the first time and its one of my favorites. Stylistically I think its easily Bergman's best. Almost every shot is breathtaking. The relationship at the heart of the film is one of the most puzzling and absorbing I've ever seen. And it does all of its work in 85 minutes. Its pure cinema.
what did you guys like about it? i didn't much care for it.
>>68865450
The shot of her in the car looking suspiciously at the envelope is absolutely amazing. It's very hard to get into but it's different.
>>68865494
pleb detected
>>68865323
The video game was better.
It's okay. One of Bergman's lesser masterpieces.
>>68865323
Bergman's best, even though it doesn't get mentioned quite as often as Seventh Seal or Wild Strawberries. As straightforward and theatrical as Bergman can often be, this film succeeds by being so vague. The plot is as vague as the two character's sense of personal identity. It's less a movie you think about than you feel, which is unusual for such an intellectual director. It's a totally unique viewing experience, no matter how many films you've seen.
>>68865581
agreed. Bergman never made a film to top this unfortunately.
>>68865494
anyone able to respond?
>>68865625
What's Fanny and Alexander
I feel a kind of jealousy for the people who've had this gripping overwhelmed experience with it. I've tried to watch it three times now, ended up switching it off without finishing each time, just because I could never get it to engage me, it felt almost like watching a blank screen. It didn't feel like watching a boring film, it felt like my brain was just completely failing to process what I was seeing. Could those who loved the film explain what they found so absorbing?
>>68865974
>ended up switching it off without finishing it each time
fuck off
>>68865974
Maybe you should have had the patience to watch it all the way through. Jesus Christ
>>68865790
What's Cries & Whispers
>>68865323
Yeah
Now watch Fanny and Alexander, the 5 hour version
>>68865974
Holy fuck, it's so short, why wouldn't you just finish it? I've seen movies twice as long that I had to make myself keep watching because they didn't grab me. Now that's partially because of autism and my inability to start something and quit with it unfinished. But you can't watch a film as less than its intended and have a valid opinion on its quality.
>>68866118
>5 hour version
>>68865566
Dunno if this is supposed to be funny but I laughed; not at you anon, that's a good opinion
Cinema is about women: pure leisure showing the fantasies of the writers and director.
Since it is about leisure, the story will always be about some romance written by betas for betas and women.
Betas want to be in touch with reality and will do anything for this, but always fall back on getting validated through women (who only want safe fun).
Cinema shows you the life of the betas.
>>68866177
>yikes
>not excited
Kill yourself
>>68866177
bigger swedish film projects are usually done in conjunction with some tv network and therefore has extra padding so they can air it as a mini series like half a year after the movie goes up on cinemas
>>68865323
A fapping masterpiece senpai
>>68865323
Just watched this recently. Although it's a lot to take in and probably needs at least 2 viewings to fully comprehend, your post summates the complexities very well. The main takeaway for me was that the true self is altered by society's reflection; this is, however, a paradoxical notion, as the true self cannot be perceived without cultural context to shed light onto it. Clearly Bergman's interpretation of this paradox is nihilistic and sardonic, and that is portrayed in Elizabeth's stoically cruel yet seemingly humorous responses to Alma's self-perceived social dilemmas (that was my thought on why Elizabeth laughs).
Tons of philosophical musings to be derived from this one to be sure. Hopefully some more people jump into this thread, because I think it is open to liberal interpretation.
Yes it is. Easily Bergman's best. If you haven't seen it, I'd recommend Smultronstället.
>>68866300
No shit. I'm saying the TV version is far inferior.
>>68866380
i agree
>>68865323
The shot of Elisabet's (Liv Ullmann) face when she's laying in her room as the sun is setting is one of my favorite shots in film. The whole thing is beautifully shot.
>>68866380
>>68866414
How can two people be so wrong
>>68865323
My favorite Bergman film. I see it as the characters of Alma and Elisabet are two separate people who exist through doubling by sharing dramatic events. Alma and Elisabet are haunted by the conditions of humanity. Alma has realized this which has resulted in her muteness while Elisabet is currently living in this surreal world. The story about her and her friend having sex on the beach is painting a picture of excitement and pleasure in otherwise a dark world. The course of the film shows them coming apart and be like each other because they share a deep bond. Alma's boyfriend becomes Elisabet while Elisabet becomes like Alma realizing the pain and horrors of life. Also it shows a reflective nature of the cinema with the opening and closing shots of the film as voyeurism into other lives whether happy or tragic.
A companion piece movie to watch is The Double Life of Veronique by Krzysztof Kielsowski.
>>68865581
So the movie is confusing and vague. Sounds like something some pretentious European would praise.
>>68866562
do you also like to watch your wife get railed by a black man?
>pretentious
nice. so i can disregard your opinion now.
>>68866300
Holy fuck Sweden is retarded
>>68866562
I mean... you tried I guess
Pretty bad bait though
>>68866631
the other option is to co-produce it with some danish or norwegian company and have a pointless danish or norwegian co-star completely breaking the immersion by speaking a different language
>>68866629
Well of course you would disregard outside opinions. You're pretentious. And you didn't deny you were European so it looks like I was completely spot on. People like you are always hopeless wannabes.
>>68866645
I mean...you replied. Dumbass.
>>68865323
Bibi's beach orgy monologue is one of the most arousing scenes in cinema
>>68866871
Could you people suck this movies dick any harder? Fucking hell.
>>68866909
Don't you have a BvS thread to post in?
>>68865323
overrated shit. seventh seal was miles better
>>68867002
Don't you have another artsy film to suck off?
>>68866909
It's the only thread on a "pretentious european movie". Please leave us alone.
was it true bergman hated jews and was pro nazi?
>>68867165
No. He loved women getting the BBC just like the average swedish man.
>>68866909
This is the only thread currently up about an actual film. There are a hundred other capeshit threads I'm sure you'd rather be in, go join one of those.
>>68867064
You will never understand or appreciate films beyond a surface level.
>>68866909
>I like capeshit
>>68865323
It's as close to perfect as the art of cinema has come.
I prefer the fourth one desu
>>68866562
It's vague because it uses visuals to directly communicate emotions rather than physical reality. Are you saying that's pretentious? That nothing can have meaning or emotion? That connecting to emotional art is a bad thing to be avoided because of the fear of pretension? Kill yourself
>>68867043
You mean wild strawberries
Seventh seal is his most overrated movie by far
>>68867230
>meanwhile posts Tarko/v/sky
>>68868073
Stop trying to make
>Tarkovsky is bad
Happen. It's never going to happen.
Another boring French existentialist film about whining about being alive.
>>68865494
>>/marvel/
>>68866115
What is Batman v Superman
>>68868328
>being this pleb
>>68868328
Can't blame them, being French is very boring.
>>68865323
sexiest scene -bar jamie lee- of all time, and its just her talking, had to pause it rewind and jack off.
>>688665629
Jesus christ I'm so tired of this. Movies that tell a story through visuals and symbolism is a fucking style. "It was weird, must be pretentious" is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. No one is trying to trick you into thinking they're deep, it's just a fucking style of film. It's like just solving a puzzle. You might as well call jigsaw puzzles "pretentious".
>>68866342
Kill yourself
When did visual storytelling become "pretentious" to people? Is this some indication of the hipster boogeyman meme? It's like people truly believe there is no way a film can be done this way without being pointless drivel trying to trick you into how cool and deep it is.
Funny how an intellectual movie can't spawn a single intelligent not tryhard response
Yeah it's a good movie and /TV/ is shit, it's not worth discussing films like this here
At least not anymore
>>68865494
I very much liked the beach story
