My problem with this character is simple. It's not a feminist argument, it's not a mary sue argument, it's not an OP argument.
My problem is simply she didn't work for the talent she has. Luke and other character in the star wars universe worked hard to achieve their merits. Rey, as far as we know, grew up a semi slave simply collecting part to fill her days. She may of been in some scraps in her time to learn some fighting...but when did she every pilot a star ship? Hold a light saber? Fire a blaster?
My complaint is she is a character a new generation can look up to and she works for none of her abilities. She simply is just good at everything without any work, sacrifice, or growth, and that is lazy.
I don't think we know enough about her to make the call about her being good at everything without work, sacrifice or growth.
>>68805397
How stupid will you feel when her backstory is revealed next ep?
>>68806093
>It's a backstory reveal episode
>>68805397
the main problem is that she is a woman,name a female character from anything that is likable,go ahead and try.
Eilleen from regular show does not count.
>>68806093
Revealing after the fact is simply lazy.
>>68806093
why the fuck are you defending that style of writing? can't stand that shit.
fuck you yeah I am mad.
>inventing character criticisms to cover your obvious misogyny
sad
>>68806831
Eowyn.
>>68805397
she is the worst main character in the star wars franchise by a fucking mile, the fact that she learns to use the force in an hour after having only heard about it for the first time the day before and then completely destroyed the main bad guy in a light sabre duel despite never having touched a light sabre before completely ruined any impact Kylo Ren can possibly have from now on. They would have been better off killing him off in that scene since he is now the most unthreatening and impotent bad guy in movie history.
This film is utter and complete dogshit.
>>68805397
>she's good at everything
Because we've come into the story with her already being an adult who lives on her own. She's ha years of living and surviving on her own and her entire life is digging around in the bowels of desiccated starships, that's literally been her life since she was in double digits. Just because this isn't all delivered via exposition doesn't mean you can't infer why she would have these talents based on her background and her career.
People always pull the "But Luke was different." and he was. He was a moisture farmer who lived with his family and the most exciting parts of his life were hanging out with his friends and shooting rodents. He had no personal survival skills on the level of Rey because he didn't need them.
Her backstory being revealed in a different movie is irrelevant, in the movie we saw the only skill she had that seemed excessive was nailing the Jedi Mind Trick on almost the first try.
It's all irrelevant anyway, she wasn't going through physical journey in TFA. Her entire arc was emotional and philosophical, the character being OP doesn't change that.
Luke worked hard to achieve his merits ?
>>68807189
isn't is really obvious to most people that she is former SIth with memory loss? there really is no other explanation to her picking everything up so fast.
Or at least I can not think of anything else apart from her being the new definition of mary sue,might even need a new fucking word for it when she starts throwing planets around next episode.
Doesn't Luke become a war hero like a week's time after we meet him as a moisture farmer? Why are OT Star Wars neckbeards so deluded?
>My complaint is she is a character a new generation can look up to and she works for none of her abilities. She simply is just good at everything without any work, sacrifice, or growth, and that is lazy.
Perfect role model for the entitled millennial generation.
>>68805397
>Luke and other character in the star wars universe worked hard to achieve their merits.
He trained for about a week then went toe-to-toe with the best fighter in the galaxy, survived, then trained for another month and kicked his ass. He barely had to work at all. At least Rey had actual hand-to-hand combat experience before winning her duel.
>I can shoot an tiny exhaust port because I have super powers.
Luke Skywalker is a Mary Sue.
>>68807220
maybe he found it easy but at least he was trained by 2 Jedi masters and even if he just fucked around picked up enough and hone whatever skills he needed.
Rey just learned from seeing,maybe she can play a piano just by hearing it be played once too.
>>68807266
But he had to work for it, anon! That one throwaway line about him "blasting rats in his t-16" totally prepared him to fly the sci-fi equivalent of an F-22.
>>68805397
She's a better pilot than Poe Dameron
She's a better and braver soldier than Fin the stormtrooper.
She's a better force wielder and light saber fighter than Kylo Ren.
She's better at mechanical engineering and fixing things than Han Solo and Chewbacca combined.
She doesn't need rescuing by anyone ever because she is a strong independent woman who don't need no man and will always excape unaided from any dangerous situation on her own.
What exactly is the point of the other characters in this wank film lads? The should have called it Star Wars Rey Awakens, the next one Star Wars Rey Unleashed and the third one Star Wars the Wrath of Rey
GLIB
>>68807316
And Luke didn't lose against Vader because of a lack of skill, it's because he was still an insecure kid who hadn't had the emotional training for the battle.
Just like how Kylo Ren lost against Rey not because of technical skill, but because he was still conflicted about his place in The Force and was still being pulled in two directions while Rey finally accepted her fate and stopped living in the shadow of her past.
This is in stark contrast to the PT lightsaber battles where Anakin loses against Obi-Wan because of ground height.
>>68807316
>He trained for about a week then went toe-to-toe with the best fighter in the galaxy, survived, then trained for another month and kicked his ass.
Either the shittiest bait ever or you are of subnormal intelligence.
>>68807372
Imagine they used the stuff they planned where she attacked other spaceships with a lightsaber while leaning out of an x-wing.
>>68807258
Why would it be obvious to most people since most casual fans of star wars don't know jack shit about all the Sith lore. Frankly I think it's far more likely Disney will make her a relative of Luke or Kylo Ren's sister if I know my stereotypical hollywood 'twists'. Don't forget that this franchise now caters exclusively to kids, so they have to keep it nice and simple.
>>68807446
anyone who actually enjoyed TFA is on the left side of the bell curve
>>68807485
she wouldn't even have to do that, she can just use the force to make them all crash into each other
>>68805397
That's the intention: it's why they made other MCs, especially the black guy, incredibly useless. With Finn being a real life Jar Jar, you'd have no other option but to root for the Mary Sue, if only because she was the only character showing some semblance of competence.
>>68807520
I know right, I actually thought the prequels were infinitely better and they were mostly pretty bad
>>68807010
Don't reply to Disney posters.
>>68805397
The Force has awakened in her. Deal with it.
>>68807498
>Don't forget that this franchise now caters exclusively to kids, so they have to keep it nice and simple.
ANH is one of the simplest, most clean-cut Hollywood movies ever made. That's part of why people love it.
Is this the part where we pretend that Lucas was making some kind of intricate multi-layered philosophical masterpiece the entire time?
>>68807088
>it's a thirsty beta tries to appear smug episode
Sad indeed.
>>68806067
>>68806093
It doesn't matter what's revealed about her in the next movie. Her presentation in TFA was horribly sloppy.
Writing backwards is shit writing.
In ANH, we're given sufficient exposition for who Luke, Obi Wan and Vader are and why they're capable of the things they do. These characters are then expanded upon in ESB. Expansion is not the same as filling in the gaps which is what's happening with this trilogy.
Movies, even when part of a series, are still supposed to have cohesion and a start, middle and end.
The characterisation in TFA is really poor.
>>68807724
eh, I dunno, Rey is still a prodigy from a desert planet who closes her eyes and the Force shit happens. I don't get the hate.
what about possible reasons why she is so good at learning new things or why her powers resurfaced/awakened so fast?
>>68807446
Literally no rebutal just name calling
>>68807446
>Either the shittiest bait ever or you are of subnormal intelligence.
How long was he training with Yoda? 1 week? 2, tops? And we don't see him learn to use a lightsaber at any point in that time. Going into his first fight with Vader, he has never used the lightsaber as a weapon in his life (unless you count that 30-second dream sequence in the cave).
Then, a few months after the first fight (Episode VI is set less than a year after Episode V), he goes to fight Vader again and absolutely destroys him. What changed? Where did Luke learn to fight like that? Who the hell taught him?
>>68807603
no of course not, but what he did was a million times better than this putrid shit that disney churned out, which let's face it is not difficult, I mean I have never really watched a film and not cared about ANY of the characters, that's how fucking shallow and badly written this film is
>>68807889
Star Wars 6 is shit and full of plotholes and lazy characterization
>>68807830
For reasons I just said.
Plus
>she's ultra competent at everything she does
>everyone immediately loves her
Characters like that are boring.
>>68807889
>we will never get a luke and yoda training montage
>>68805397
>It's a we pretend Star Wars used to be deep,profound and well written episode
>>68807958
>luke and yoda training montage
Got you covered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7TExj-hhQI
>>68807319
>>68807356
Kill yourselves.
>>68807839
>so good at learning new things
She has Force powers? Every main character with Force abilities we've seen in the entire series is a prodigy.
Also the "new things'' she learned were almost all connected to her old life. She spent her life crawling around spaceships and dreaming of flying, it makes sense she'd understand how ships work. She's had to defend herself and survive on her own, her combat abilities make perfect sense.
Her ability to pick up Force abilities super-fast is a little jarring, but it mirrors her journey to slowly accepting her character arc and not being ruled by her past. As she becomes more and more of a "hero" more of her skills come to light.
>>68807950
>everyone immediately loves her
Han doesn't even like her until he saves her life and realises she has useful skills, same thing that happened with Luke. Finn likes her because she's the second person he's ever met outside of the Empire and he's desperate for friends, he latches onto being best buds with Poe just as quickly.
>>68808006
Loved this scene, it made it obvious that Vader was just toying with him the whole time
>>68807316
>He trained for about a week then went toe-to-toe with the best fighter in the galaxy, survived
He didn't go toe-to-toe, Vader clearly fucked with him the entire time. You're also overlooking the fact that Luke is his fucking suck whom he never intended to actually kill.
You're also assuming he was with Yoda for a week based on nothing.
>>68807889
Not that anon but I think the time between ESB and ROTJ is longer than a year.
It's also worth noting that Vader was just toying with Luke in ESB. Vader (arguably) wants Luke to defeat him in ROTJ also.
The point is there's far more humanity in Luke than Rey. He has to work to accomplish goals (or his strengths are at least foreshadowed), he constantly fucks up and other characters undermine him.
>>68808006
3:17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DeI3ohVbY
>>68807088
Dude even my girlfriend hated the fact that she was the main character.
She said it didn't feel like a star wars movie and that the most entertaining character was giant crybabby templar lightsaber fag.
>>68808006
LOOK AT THIS DAMN MARY SUE, SO POWERFUL AND BADASS
>>68808083
FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT LUKE ALWAYS DID EVERYTHING RIGHT AND NEVER SCREWED UP EVER
>>68807889
You're an imbecile. Either you are trolling for 'fun' or/and you're a fucking moron.
>>68808110
>IMPLYING HE EVER GOT REKT BY A WAMPA
>>68807878
Thats because you're literally a fucking retard. The time scales you describe are horseshit, for a start.
>>68808131
Wow more name calling no rebuttal
>>68808053
>You're also overlooking the fact that Luke is his fucking suck
*son
dat freudian slip.
>>68808162
Wow you're still a subhuman Aspie cunt!
>>68807218
> in the movie we saw the only skill she had that seemed excessive was nailing the Jedi Mind Trick on almost the first try.
No try this.
>Piloting a (minimum of two to pilot effectively) giant ass freighter with 100% precision, through the interior of a derelict star destroyer whilst being chased by 2(two) highly skilled and trained tie fighter pilots. All while never having piloted a ship before and or knowing how to pilot that specific ship.
>inb4 simulators.
>inb4 force sensitive people are natural pilots
ALSO
>Force telekinesis a light saber from 30 feet away from the much more powerful and focued force telekinesis of a trained sith apprentice
Bad character writing is bad and Daisy Sue suffers from power creep.
pic unrelated
I'm not defending Rey or anything but I bet you anything if she was a guy /tv/ wouldn't be so triggered of his Mary Sueness. But of course they won't ever admit it.
>>68808157
Yawn, you're like a little school bully.
>>68805397
>Literally injured and bleeding
>I CAN TRAIN YOU IN THE WAYS OF THE FORCE!
Face it original fags you have no real argument against Rey here just a nostalgia filter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV6sjwqCQ2M
>>68808136
>Luke's face after fighting Vader
HE CLEARLY MOPPED THE FLOOR WITH HIS OLD MAN
>>68807372
She's unlikely to be able to dogfight as well as Poe despite the force piloting
She's braver than a humorous defector character? If you're right why dig like this?
She nearly lost to Kylo after he took the equivalent of the anti-materiel rifle to the side and went on a marathon.
She knew an engineering quirk that Han didn't.
She needed rescuing from the Death Star.
Why are anti-TFA fedoras so desperate?
>>68808015
There is next to zero foreshadowing for her capabilities throughout the movie. She literally says she's a pilot seconds before she has to fly. That's poor storytelling.
Everyone loves her - BB8, Finn, Han, Chewie, Orange Yoda, Kylo, Leia. That Leia/Rey scene is ridiculous.
And as I said, more importantly than justifications for her capabilities or everyone adoring her, characters like that are boring. It doesn't matter if she is revealed to be Space God in Episode 8. Characters that are great at everything and without weakness, that don't need help from anyone, are boring. There's no tension in anything they do because they're already perfect.
>>68808192
Yawn, you're a stupid little cunt making up stuff about Luke because you are upset that Rey is obviously a shit character and that is making you cry.
You've already been told - your time scales in reference to Luke are complete shit. A deliberate fabrication made up to either a) troll this board or b) deflect Rey criticism.
Either way - you're a fucking retard, kid.
>>68807356
In the novelization of the film he has to go through 3(three) flight checks with Red Leader before he's accepted to even fly the X-Wing
On top of that the X-Wing is stated to have the same control scheme as the T-16 except with advanced avionics, a targeting computer and the addition of an Astromech droid.
The fact that he turns off his targeting computer alone tells you that he was still uncomfortable flying the X-Wing (Almost crashing into the deathstar, almost getting smoked by 3 other fighters, getting shot once etc.) Instaed of using the fancy targeting computer he trusted his instincts and experience (shooting giant desert rats) and pulled off a one in a million shot.
I guarantee they'll address why she's so powerful in episode 8.
>>68808238
>LITERALLY WOULD HAVE DIED IF HAN HADN'T SAVED HIS ASS ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS
FUCKING SUE
>>68808189
Yeah, everyone loved little Anakin.
>>68807724
>Writing backwards is shit writing.
Bullshit. Lots of films take their time to go back. Some films literally do the whole sequence of events backwards. There's no objective reason why a trilogy can't save stuff for later. You're playing off an arbitrary preference as critique.
>>68807316
>toe-to-toe with vader
Did you even watch that scene? Watch how Vader fights and how Luke fights. Throughout the entire fight, Vader wields his saber one handed, easily deflecting Luke's blows. Hell, the hand chopping scene is perfect evidence of it. watch how Luke attempts to get out of the saber roll and how vader does. Luke was amateur and Vader was toying with him through out the fight. He only survived because both Vader and the Emperor wanted Luke alive. Nice bait though faggot.
>>68808185
If he's wrong then why are you so mad?
>>68808243
We're not. You're just pandering to feminism which is ruining everything.
There are strong female characters done right and then there is Rey.
>>68808277
>This whole pathetic tirade of a post
>>68808053
>>68808083
>>68808110
>>68808136
>>68808238
>>68808303
ANON YOU SHITLORD STOP POSTING FACTS THEY HURT OUR FEE FEES AND DELUSIONAL VIEWS OF THE WORLD THAT SAY WOMEN NEED TO BE EMPOWERED!
>>68805397
>My complaint is she is a character a new generation can look up to and she works for none of her abilities. She simply is just good at everything without any work, sacrifice, or growth, and that is lazy.
Funny, sounds exactly like the fucking millennials. She's targeted at.
>>68808303
MORE DAMNING EVIDENCE
>>68808349
But I'm not mad, kiddo. Saying someone is "mad" is literally the last desperate act of trolling that you little cunts fall back on every time.
It's not only pathetic it's predictable.
You even respond to arguments with banal memes, kiddo.
>>68808396
Rey stands out to you as a Mary Sue in a universe of Gary Stus because women trigger you.
it is just like how women do not want to go in to STEM fields or do any real hard work but still want the top jobs/money.
When this entire fucking SJW feminism thing blows over we might get some good movies and TV shows again.
>>68805397
That's true to life, some people are good at things naturally, other people post on 4chan.
>>68808438
NOT USING THE FORCE AND INSTEAD PATHETICALLY DRAGGING YOUR DAD IS ONLY SOMETHING A MARY SUE WOULD DO
>>68808397
Nothing to say to defend the fake time scale kid?
Didn't think so. You know they are pathetic shit.
You've been rumbled as a bullshitter.
>>68808447
>if I call him "kiddo" that might hide how obviously flustered I am
Type some more words and insults to assure me you're not mad.
>>68808472
Why would women "trigger" me?
What does that even mean.
I'm just pointing out that she's a poorly written character. Probably the worst written character in the entire series besides Dax Ralter and his 50's era space diner.
>>68808518
No defence of the time scale you made up, yet, cunto?
>>68808186
time travel you dummy.
>>68807985
Why are frogposters always the ones who are autistically compelled to make the "It's a ____ episode" posts?
>>68808554
/tv/ gets far more agitated about Mary Sues than Gary Stus because they have PTSD from girls giggling at them in school.
>>68808517
>>68808517
>kid
>>68808580
Still having trouble with the multiple anonymous people thing, newfag?
I can belive rey would know her way around mechanical things and she would know how to fix the falcon and shit, shes been a scavenger for years. Using the force willy nilly with no training and beating thd gug that wiped out the new jedi order, even when wounded, is complete bullshit. There is plently of other shit wrong with with TFA too.
>>68807372
you forgot how fucking hardcore she is lad,Kylo threw her 50 feet through the air into a tree and she landed on her head when she dropped....took it like a champ.
>>68808503
REMEMBER WHEN LUKE DEFEATED SHEEV WITH HIS BARE HANDS? LUCAS IS SUCH A HACK
>>68808612
Oh look! Another meme. You really have the conversational skills of a parrot, don't you.
Any defence of your made up time scale yet?
Yeah, Luke got rek'd a lot. I should know, seeing cute manlets abused makes my cock twitch.
>>68805397
>>68808646
Still pretending your multiple personality disorder makes you several people, trollboy?
>>68808604
>>68808786
WHOOPS, WRONG WEBM
>>68805397
>This triggered Luke Skywalker fanboy making all these webms
>>68808812
>>68808831
it's lonely in /wsg/ I guess
>>68808831
There's actually a Mark Hamill general on /wsg/, anon probably got them from there.
>>68808831
He probably already had them on hand for masturbatory purposes.
>>68808006
OH WOW LUKE SURE IS A MARY SUE LITERALLY HOW CAN PEOPLE THINK REY IS ONE I MEAN LOOK AT THIS GUY
>>68808831
The dire side effects of seeing the exact same thread and discussion on /tv/ day-in day-out for 4 months.
HEY REMEMBER WHEN HAN TOOK LUKE'S ADVICE AND INSTANTLY TREATED HIM WITH RESPECT?
>>68808967
That acting right there is perfect I almost wonder if that was ad-libbed.
>bitch did you just slap my hand?!
>>68808967
Long story short, Luke is not a Sue. Rey isn't one either, but she's a shitty character regardless and I can't imagine where her character can even go or evolve from here.
>>68808934
Lukefu getting abused is arousing, I don't blame him
>>68809020
Rey needs to go to the Dark Side. It's the only way to save that character.
>>68809020
But Rey is a Sue. There is no middle ground, Luke is not a Sue and she is one.
>>68809109
This, it was the only thing that saved Anakin from being a sue.
>>68805397
>but when did she every pilot a star ship?
Oh for fucks sake
She says to Finn right after they escape the TIE Fighters:
>"I've flown some ships before but I've never left the planet"
Rey has flown ships before but she has never left the planet. Read it again. Engrave it in your brain so you never ask this stupid question again. The line of dialogue is right there, in the movie.
Luke has some skill as a pilot because he flew around in his T-16. Rey probably has a similar amount of experience, and maybe with different models of ships because Unkar Platt appears to own several different models.
That's why she can fly a ship in-atmosphere.
Because she has done it before.
>>68805397
The one that bothered me was the OP mind control that goes way further than any other Force user ever has.
And it'd be swallowable if she ever made any mistakes, had any moral failings, or failed at anything. But she doesn't.
>>68809112
Can't we just ditch this controversial term that means different things to different people and settle on calling her a "poorly written character"?
>>68808189
That will never be an issue because we will never see a white male mary sue character of the level of power of Rey in any hollywood movie ever again.
>>68805397
>it's not a mary sue argument
>spew a bunch of words that equate to "shes a mary sue"
>>68807218
>Her entire arc was emotional and philosophical, the character being OP doesn't change that.
What arc?
>>68809215
Jurassic World
>>68807266
Luke gets his ass handed to him all the time. He's a good pilot, but that's literally his only skill, and he only has one impressive feat in the movie.
>>68809157
A t-16 is functionally similar to an x-wing. Whatever the fuck Rey piloted did not give her skills enough to know the inner workings of the Millennium Falcon better than Han. This movie has shit writing and you know it.
>>68807220
Luke:
>Shot down by Owen about going to the Academy; he clearly is being held back from learning much at the farm
>gets tricked into taking the bolt off R2
>gets BTFO by sand people
>fails to prevent the death of his aunt and uncle
>gets in a fight at the cantina and draws attention
>acts like a bitch to Han
>aggressively backseat drives
>shoots the door shut when escaping with Leia by mistake
>is the LAST choice to make the Trench Run
However, he DOES:
>start to catch on about Sand People not hitting a target as big as a Sandcrawler
>is complimented by Obi Wan on his piloting early on
>his idea to use Stormtrooper uniforms and to bind Chewie as a prisoner
>he figures out how to use the grapple to swing across with Leia
>Matches Han with 2 kills against the TIE fighters
>uses his piloting skills and learns to trust his feelings and begin to use the Force to blow up the Death Star
And that's just in the first movie. Rey doesn't really go through any difficulty other than being "poor".
>>68809216
literal retard
use your words kiddo
>>68808243
lol you fucking faggot, you're clearly a millenium babby who has been socially conditioned with the myth of feminie superiority since birth so you refuse to accept any criticism of muh strong independent woman who don't need no man. I've got no problem with decent female characters but Rey is so over the top OP she ruins the film single handedley. I mean wtf is the point of the male characters in this film other than as facilitators to allow Rey to use her god like powers. You could take any of them out of the film and it would make zero difference to the outcome of the plot.
Fucking shite shallow as fuck film and an utter disgrace to the legacy of the original trilogy.
Luke was not some ace pilot during the Death Star sequence. He had to be saved by Han Solo. Then made a lucky shot aided by his belief in the force. It took the entire movie for him to do something of merit.
Some of you need to go back and watch A New Hope.
>>68807356
To be fair, he just meant that such a feat (nailing a 2 meter target) was possible, even without a computer, not that it was going to be easy.
This thread is fucking useless.
/sw/ when?
>>68809278
>A t-16 is functionally similar to an x-wing.
That was never stated in A New Hope, and it doesn't change anything.
The Millenium Falcon is a highly modified freighter but it is still a YT-series, which are apparently very common. Why could Rey not have piloted something that flies similarly to the Falcon?
We don't know what she's flown, and she knows the current inner workings of the falcon better than Han because he hasn't had the ship for a while and there have been modifications made to it, which she knew about and Han did not.
I'm not trying to defend the writing of the entire movie, I'm defending the fact that Rey being a competent pilot is set up just as well as Luke being a competent pilot and it's a fucking stupid thing to complain about.
You want to complain about something ruining TFA talk about Maz's Castle.
>>68809254
Not seen it but I strongly doubt he is equivalent to Rey in power!
>>68808312
If you have to pay to see the sequel in order to make sense of the original movie, then you might as well be watching a fucking soap opera. Plot lines HAVE to have structure; a beginning, middle and end, and all the loose ends such as the characters that work to further that plot have to work within it. This is the number one rule of making a story, be it a film or some joke you're telling someone. Episode IV was able to do this. Episode V was able to do this. Both were capable of making a "self-contained" story that didn't require further viewing in order to make sense, yet also acted together as a further narrative.
Also I guarantee that the rest of this new trilogy will not "reveal" anything useful that will change rey's character. She's been designed to be generic on purpose; and they're not going to change that. Get over it.
>>68809212
Hysterical statements like this are exactly why I call the butthurt brigade triggered. Rey isn't even the biggest Mary Sue in the SW universe, let alone cinema in general. If Rey has accomplished what Katarn accomplished by the end of the sequelogy, then maybe I might get as angry as the muh cooties neckbeards.
>>68809376
Also worth noting that the Death Star battle is basically the only thing Luke accomplishes for the entire series besides influencing Vader.
>>68809340
objective truths are best truths
good job anon.
>>68809254
I'll buy that example.
DON'T YOU AUSTISTS GET FUCKING TIRED OF RECYCLING THE SAME ARGUMENTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN?! THIS IS LIKE THE 10000 REY MARY SUE THREAD OVER THESE PAST 4 MONTHS!
>>68809212
because Rey is like that guy who played wow freshly dinged 60 and had full boe epics from gold buying and getting raid gear he paid for with the same gold he clearly did not deserve.it is just really annoying.
>>68809461
>Hysterical statements like this
My statement was hysterical?
>>68809461
>Katarn
Nobody is talking about non-canon fanfiction characters.
>>68809535
No
>>68809535
*Covers ears*
AAAAUGH! STOP SHOUTING ANONNNNNN!
>>68809461
Rey could easily take out 4-5 Sithlords within a day of getting a lightsaber like Katarn
Literal child's play
I'm sure she can do all of the Force Unleashed moves too
>>68809535
They won't. We can make kino threads but all these Reddit tier cunts ever do is moan about Rey. Sometimes I wish everyone on this fucking board would collectively slit their wrists. We get the same tired Star Wars threads over and over again. I fucking hate Star Wars. I hate it and I'm fucking sick of George Lucas' fucking aborted child of a franchise polluting the board.
>>68809442
No, I might as well be watching a trilogy, which I am.
>>68809606
You're what's wrong with /tv/, you know that? Drink bleach you faggot Rey poster.
>>68809546
Sorry meant to quote >>68809215
>>68809340
Interestingly, most of the things he manages to achieve are involved with piloting and aim, which is also explained (albeit briefly) in the movies. His accomplishments aren't that much of a stretch.
>>68809535
No, they won't. Rey represents everything wrong with their world. The same Debbie's that shiver them into lockers are now making millions starring in their beloved, shallow space adventure flicks.
>>68809703
It's the anti-Rey fags making these cancerous threads.
>>68809703
you sound frustrated
>>68809492
Another thing worth noting is that Luke had only one real friend and was called "Wormie" by everyone else. He wasn't instantly adored by anyone.
>>68809643
You're obviously trolling. She could barely take out a Sith apprentice after he ran a marathon with the equivalent of a shotgun wound.
>>68809703
>>68809826
D'awww this thread is making me want to protect poor little Luke :3
>>68809562
>He doesn't count because he's not part of the Disneyverse
>>68809409
>Why could Rey not have piloted something that flies similarly to the Falcon?
it was unambiguously stated, in the fucking film, that Rey had never piloted anything before. She had only used a flight simulator.
>>68809665
Not that anon, but the one you originally replied to. You're wrong. You enjoyed the movie so you're making excuses for it.
But the fact is that TFA fails miserably at being a self-contained, stand alone movie, which any well written story should be. It's writing 101.
>>68805397
>but when did she every pilot a star ship
she's been out in the desert disassembling them and probably acquired the basic knowledge of how to pilot...idk
Let's just stop. Star Wars is a horrible flick series for dumb children and manlets with Aspergers. Can somebody prune this thread?
Honestly would /tv/ be happy if she got rekt by Kylo or Snoke in VIII? That leak despite being a joke did give me some hope of her getting beaten at least by Snoke.
>>68809870
my problem with the character is she is a girl who should be in the kitchen learning to cook and eat with her mouth shut.
>>68805397
>My problem is simply she didn't work for the talent she has.
but OP, that is the Mary Sue argument.
Mods. Why aren't you deleting this? You rip apart bane threads, so why not Rey Thread No.50472?
>>68809949
It's the fate of every SW protag - some bad shit happens to them in the second movie. She'd probably get captured or lose a limb.
>>68809911
I didn't enjoy the movie any more than any other mediocre adventure flick. I'm just not nearly so triggered by it as the contrarians and muh Mary Sue neckbeards, and you're playing off personal preference as objective film critique. I don't give a flying fuck if they save reveals for future movies in a guaranteed trilogy. For fucks sake, they're called episodes. Keep repeating "this is writing 101" over and over again, maybe eventually it'll magically become an argument.
>>68808070
>girl
>watching Star Wars
What planet am I on?
>>68809461
name a bigger mary sue character in star wars than her because I can't think of one
>>68810073
I did in the very fucking post you quoted.
>>68810073
anakin of course
lil nigga was winning POD RACES and blowing up star ships before he had hairs on his balls
>>68805397
THE FOOOORCE
>>68810073
>>68810121
Plus people actually tolerated having him around despite being a complete shithead. For fucks sake he got the most desirable bachelorette in the galaxy and even badasses like Windu didn't have the wherewithal to boot him out despite the writing on the wall.
>>68805397
Finn is just as bad a character as her but for different reasons. He is literally the most useless unheroic and unlikeable male lead I have ever seen in a film of this kind. I mean I literally couldn't care less if he lived or died, but we all know that this being a disney/hollywood film the two SJW leads will be unkillable and Rey will be taking the BBC by the end of the trilogy.
>/tv/ is so dumb that it will forget an entire scene in a movie and criticize that movie for lacking that scene
Whoa
>>68805397
Could Rey gain experience in close quarter combat from fighting off scabbers, and can that knowledge be translated to lightsaber combat?
Could Rey have working knowledge of spacecraft from years of pulling out parts and trading them for space-bread?
could her piloting be a result of her latent strength with the force guiding her, as was done with luke, and anakin before him?
Side; obi-wan kenobi says firing a blaster is primitive, a point-n-shoot that requires little skill
I agree that her skills could have been explained better, but Luke is a moisture farmer before becoming a jedi, he could fire a blaster in IV without training and blew up the death star (though he did have prior training on tatooine)
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>>68810227
but he was a handsome white male and that's really all I need out of a character
>>68810246
>He is literally the most useless unheroic and unlikeable male lead I have ever seen in a film of this kind
I liked Finn, he seemed to be the only character who acted like an actual person.
>>68810121
anakin fucked up all the time and needed rescuing all the time, then he topped it off by becoming Darth Vader, he is not a mary sue character by an definition.
>>68810113
Katarn is not a star wars film character and is not canon anyway
>>68810246
>Rey will be taking the BBC by the end of the trilogy
I'm hoping for some alien lezbo action
>>68810073
Anakin depending on what Rey accomplishes in the next couple films, by first films standards Anakin is ahead because Rey shared the victory with others, whereas Anakin bumbled his way to total victory just like a textbook Sue
>>68810396
well he is in the first film no? that is why the phantom menace was such a horrible disappointment
Reminder Anakin was ridiculed by everyone he knew Tatooine for losing every single podrace he'd entered.
His friends thought he was a dick.
He only wins this time because he was helped by Qui Gon to make a really good pod to race and Qui Gon also helped him focus and gave him confidence.
He doesn't pilot a spaceship into orbit, he accidentally pushed the auto pilot.
He shot the shield generator by hitting every button in the ship in desperation.
Rey fans will continue to ignore the inconvenient facts, of course.
Young Anakin is still a fairly shit character, however, but not a super Sue.
>>68810317
>he could fire a blaster in IV without training
you've made this up and say it as if it is a fact
it's not
>>68810396
Going dark for a while doesn't at all preclude Sueness, especially for the Deviantart kiddies, and especially since he redeemed himself at the end. Anakin only screwed up in minor, cosmetic ways, same with how they had Rey shit her pants and shoot wildly when Kylo was stalking her, and will probably have some "humbling" screw ups in the later films.
Katarn is a Star Wars character and muh Disneyverse is not an argument. The point is Star Wars has a long and proud history of Marys and Garys, but /tv/ is especially unfond of Rey because of their baggage around women.
>>68810415
Rey ends up with Ginger general 1st order guy and BBC pounds Poe.
>>68810461
Sues don't bumble. Try again.
>>68805397
Sums up the majority of the generation she is appealing to.
>>68810483
he was also a fucking slave
>>68806831
Ripley from Alien
>>68810691
slave who won a fucking pod race against a bunch of aliens who are probably on like space meth or some shit
then he wins an entire war by blowing up the droid control ship
I don't care though cause I then you can imagine yourself as anakin, no young boy will be imagining themselves as rey..
>>68810599
What other times do you see luke with a blaster before the death star? I cant remember a moment before the death star where luke mentions blaster training, or operating one either.
>>68810637
Have you actually read the original fanfictions that actually coined the term? They would save the day often in the most inane, there-at-the-right-time ways imaginable.
>>68810010
She's only getting captured. Disney won't let their new princess loose a limb no matter how much the pissed off fanboys want it.
>>68810814
hahahah! How predictable.
He lives on a farm. Join the dots. Fuck off, you idiot and waste your own life.
>>68805397
Thing is, that IS an OP argument, those are the same points people use when arguing that Rey is OP.and you're both right
Never mind what a bad example it sets for the millennial generation, who already think the world owes them something and that they don't have to work hard for anything
>>68810814
See:
>>68809492
Luke had no idea what he was doing, he basically shot blindly and hoped for the best.
>>68810846
Oh good, another quote for my collection for when the next ones come out. Is there a name I can put on it?
>>68810634
>Rey ends up with Ginger general 1st order guy
>>68810917
Your wife's son.
>didnt work for the talent she had
this is what talent is you fucktard the word you are looking for is skill you should have said
>she didnt work for the skills she had
>>68809874
If it's not a movie it doesn't count.
>>68810634
>Rey ends up with Ginger general 1st order guy
>Reylo and Kylux shippers kill themselves as a result
It's literally a win-win situation.
>>68809492
What has Rey accomplished? She didn't kill Kylo, she didn't blow up the Death Star. So what, she stole the Millenium Falcon and got it to Han, and even then it's because he successfully captured and boarded them?
DONT HOLD MY OR MY WIFES SONS HAND EVER AGAIN
>he shoots womp rats with a mounted canon on a t-16 speeder at high speeds when flying through a canyon
>b...but we never see him use a blaster before!
>>68810950
>Your
Stop being such a newfag, son, and stop posting on 4chan in class.
>>68810695
Fun fact: That character was written to be male, and only happened to be cast as a woman.
>>68810919
I really wanted Emma stone as Rey and it would have worked even better for the wincest reveal.
>>68811035
She managed to become better at Force skills in a single movie than Luke did for the entire fucking series. She also has two more movies to go, I doubt they're going to make her useless.
>>68810736
Anakin definitely isn't a Sue because his entire character revolves around moral failure.
>>68810619
>Killing children is just a minor screw-up
>>68811216
Exactly. His failure to control anger and take orders takes him down the evil route.
Ends up one of the most hated and feared people in that galaxy.
>>68805397
>Luke didn't pilot a ship before the X wing, didn't fire a blaster until he impersonated a storm trooper/shot down a tie fighter in the Falcon, and barely got any training in the force but managed to make a precision shot to destroy the Death Star at just the right time because the force told him to.
I can understand getting mad at the parallels to Luke, but getting mad at her for having skills she shouldn't have is stupid if you're touting the original trilogy as better. Luke didn't work for what he did and mostly haphazardly went through the trilogy doing nothing or getting coached into doing just enough to set events into motion.
>>68806919
So you'd rather 7 starts with her saying she's Luke's daughter and the whole movie being her looking for daddy?
>>68811315
except i've only been talking about the first film which is the only fair in comparison to rey
>>68809870
>>68809956
>swn rip off chunks of your flesh
;_;
>>68810892
Thats my reasoning with Rey too. OP asked where Rey became proficient with a blaster, but shes only pointing it and firing-when shes running from Kylo Ren, Ren doesn't even have to deflect some of the bolts that Rey fires because theyre so wide.
>>68810846
she will lose a womb or something womanly to make the audience really feel for her?
>>68811342
>Reminder Anakin was ridiculed by everyone he knew Tatooine for losing every single podrace he'd entered.
>His friends thought he was a dick.
>He only wins this time because he was helped by Qui Gon to make a really good pod to race and Qui Gon also helped him focus and gave him confidence.
>He doesn't pilot a spaceship into orbit, he accidentally pushed the auto pilot.
>He shot the shield generator by hitting every button in the ship in desperation.
>Rey fans will continue to ignore the inconvenient facts, of course.
>Young Anakin is still a fairly shit character, however, but not a super Sue.
Reminder Anakin was ridiculed by everyone he knew Tatooine for losing every single podrace he'd entered.
His friends thought he was a dick.
He only wins this time because he was helped by Qui Gon to make a really good pod to race and Qui Gon also helped him focus and gave him confidence.
He doesn't pilot a spaceship into orbit, he accidentally pushed the auto pilot.
He shot the shield generator by hitting every button in the ship in desperation.
Rey fans will continue to ignore the inconvenient facts, of course.
Young Anakin is still a fairly shit character, however, but not a super Sue.
>>68811400
>implying I can't write a list just as absurd about Rey if not copy paste some previously in this thread if I had seen the film
yea noice
>>68811190
It's impossible to know how quickly Luke would have learned Force mindfuckery if he had been shown it by Kylo in a similar way Rey was, then dropped in a do-or-die situation. That's why these power level discussions are so retarded. What we do know is other powers like Force piloting were obviously available to Anakin at an even younger age than Rey. Nobody's denying Rey is powerful in the Force but it's hysterically overstated here.
>>68811440
I composed the original post, dickhead.
But please go through each point and prove each is 'absurd', even though they are all simple, undeniable facts that we see in the film.
>>68811282
He didn't screw that up. He fucked their punk asses up.
>>68811448
you really are clutching at straws now and sounding a little panicky
>>68811582
Where am I wrong? What indication is there Luke wouldn't have learned these things quickly in a higher pressure situation?
>>68811325
"I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than two meters."
Fuck off
>>68811578
actually yeah he did,could have gotten them on side for inquisitors or whatever shit they call them.
>>68811400
The potions guy doesn't like Rey.
She doesn't have any friends.
She just scavenges all day every day for food.
she pilots a hovercar or whatever that shit is called
she doesn't shoot anything and when she does, she misses most of the time
>>68811717
*portions
>>68811717
she never missed any shots,that 1st round was just calibration and she fixed it while under fire to make it 100% accurate.
>>68811619
You now sound completely desperate.
You are now citing an imaginary film that was never made as 'evidence' that Rey is not a Sue.
But despite that, I will still make a response. We see Luke in several high pressure situations and he didn't instantaneously learn new powers in any of them. Not once.
You might say the Force made the shot for him at the Death Star, which is one interpretation of the events but that's it and even that is not a certainty.
>>68805397
>My problem is simply she didn't work for the talent she has.
So it's a Mary Sue argument. That's where I throw my hat in the ring too.
>>68811717
What on Earth are you talking about?
If you look at the list I made, those are all plot points.
Your list is not in the same league it's just some vague backstory.
>>68809442
>episode V
>self contained
I'm sure most people went into that movie having not seen the previous movie, and the ending totally wasn't a set up for future movies. And I'm sure Episode IV perfectly set up the foreshadowing for Vader being Luke's father and Leia being his sister (especially with those kisses!).
Those points were held out for the sequels because they paid off more if they were delivered later. We don't need a character's entire history before we can have fun watching them do whatever. That's what made the prequels boring. We knew who the emperor was, we knew who Anakin was, and we knew where we were heading while starting from the beginning. No big reveals, no hidden character agendas, just explanations for what happened in to OT with added fluff.
You may not like it but the OT did the same thing the new trilogy is putting out. You're just more aware because you're older.
>>68811020
>Kylux shippers
Probably one of the most delusional people I have ever come across with.
>>68811325
>>Luke didn't pilot a ship before the X wing
Besides his T-16, and the comments from Obi-Wan that he is a good pilot?
>didn't fire a blaster until he impersonated a storm trooper/shot down a tie fighter in the Falcon
He's definitely shot ship blasters before; he bullseyed womp rats. I don't remember him hitting much with his handheld blaster, though, but that didn't enter the plot really.
>barely got any training in the force but managed to make a precision shot to destroy the Death Star at just the right time because the force told him to.
I know this is a bait post, but this was the culmination of his story arc in the whole film. To trust his feelings and his instincts; to let the Force guide him - not to control him, but to assist him. It helped earlier in the battle when it helped him figure out good targets to strafe on the Death Star. He *has* made shots like this before, but can he do it under pressure, and under fire from Darth Vader?
NOT A FUCKING MARY SUE.SHE IS FORMER JEDI OR SITH.
The deva vu threads on /tv/ are the worst on 4chan easily,are you happy with that rep /tv/? the fucking worst board because of this shit.
You had so much potential.
>>68811987
>You may not like it but the OT did the same thing the new trilogy is putting out
you saying this - something you've read JJ and others saying - is not a fact
>>68811695
>throwaway line after Luke did all his shooting in the Falcon and as a trooper
So you'll have no problem finding out Rey piloted and trained in the force as a kid, right? It's okay for Luke to have his skills established after the fact, after all.
>>68811717
The portion guy was sexually attracted to her. In the novel Plutt tells her to be quiet if she doesn't want to become an "entertainment" within the room with other aliens around.
>>68812091
So you really think she was a fully trained Jedi/pilot at the age of about... 5 or 6?
And then she 'forgot' it all?
No. I don't think you do believe this really, do you?
>>68811994
It's better to leave them alone in their sandbox, anon.
>>68812182
not that anon but there are not any other explanations at this point,it is mary sue or formerly trained in the arts with jason bourne syndrome.
>>68812226
Mary Sue it is, then.
/thread
>>68812064
>implying I give a fuck what JJ and other mouth breathers say
I'm just here for fun anon, not to beat off to Lucas's replacement and his defense brigade.Saw The Force Awakens unspoiled a week after release having not even seen a trailer. Could not give the barest of shits about your boogeymen.
>>68812154
kinky
>>68812091
>wow how did luke do something better than expected?
>explanation that makes sense in the context of the movie
>im pretty satisfied
>wow how is rey doing all of this crazy shit?!
>...
>better watch the next movie lol
>im not satisfied
>WHATS WRONG WITH YOU U JUST HATE WOMEN
>>68811381
>implying Snoke won't have her bred to make OP force babies
>>68812182
This is the same franchise that had the force impregnate a woman to give birth to Anakin without a father.
I don't think Jedi babies is that far a stretch.
>>68812294
Good. We finally get some truth. You are literally a troll - a time waster.
Someone with nothing better to do than start arguments with strangers for no reason at all.
Congratulations! You must love being alive and making such a valuable contribution to society as a shit generating algorithm.
Have a nice day!
>>68805397
Is that not the definition of Mary Sue?
>>68806831
samantha carter
>>68812325
Nice strawman, pham
>all of this crazy shit
What shit exactly? Her background covers her technical and survival skills. Beating up some unstable kid who had orders to being her in isn't that much of a feat either.
>>68812434
Desperate, mate.
Hilariously clutching at those straws.
>>68812462
Sorry to upset you anon. Hope the rest of your day goes better.
