Given that this movie is very much working on the premise thatwitches and Satan are real, what's the actual subtext here?
Seems like you're fucked no matter how devout or beholden to God you try to be, meanwhile the Native Americans we see (who obviously don't give a shit about Christ or Christianity) seem to have none of the same struggles or crises of conscience as the white settlers.
How does that work?
Did white people bring witches over to the New World from Europe or were witches already a thing for the Indians too?
How did the natives continue growing good crops, going about their lives and living off the land without ever having to worry about demons ruining their corn, stealing their kids driving them bonkers?
Why are her eyes so far apart?
when did we see natives? i dont remember seeing any natives
>>68803636
Why aren't you still my slave?
she's a qt
>>68803625
This was in America?
Anyway, the father transgressed first, and said as much. He sacrificed the baby first, so he opened them up to it all.
>>68803657
You can see them walking behind the family when the family leaves the walled village.
>>68803657
You see them as the family is leaving the settlement.
>>68803730
How did he sacrifice the baby first?
>>68803730
>This was in America?
Did you even watch the movie?
>>68803777
>>68803797
Only paid attentiom when the boy gets taken by the witch. Was rolling and smoking a J when the film began.
Moral of the story: Baptise you baby
>>68803840
the moral is don't be a proddie
>>68803826
Please leave this board and preferably the whole website and never return.
>>68803625
I heard the opinion that the beauty of the movie is that it's genre thrills without the need for subtext. The idea that genre films only have value if they comment on "the world at large" is bullshit.
We never see any Indians tho
>>68803826
get the fuck off of my board
>>68803905
I don't if I agree but the director went to great lenght to make it historically grounded, or at least present it as such.
>>68803826
please kys and leave the planet
>>68803625
You should learn about native American mythology and gods.
If the movie was about native people and their demons I'm sure you'd see a neat movie too. Same goes for all ethnicities and groups.
>>68803625
Well perhaps the Natives had been 'living deliciously' for time immemorial, historically many NA tribes were hunter-gatherers so they didn't farm anyway- notice how similarly they lived in touch with nature like the witches do. So basically they were already on board with Satan, he didn't have to fuck with them for their belief in yahweh, his enemy.
>>68803893
>>68803911
>>68803936
TRIGGERED
>>68803935
That's just aesthetics, I don't see the film making much of a commentary or judgement on that period or way of life. The movie is just about a witch terrorising a family, and it's really good.
>>68803826
haha that's whatsup brah
>>68803906
You're wrong
anyway I'm happy this sort of folk horror came back, I wish we'd see more of it. It makes for good Electric Wizard videos.
>>68803625
The father doomed his family by leaving the settlement since he couldn't overcome his prideful ways.
>>68803996
Why was the devil involved?
>>68804087
Because witches are said to be in league with the devil.
>>68803625
Was thomasin into black guys?
>>68804087
>>68803976
Actually it was the natives who taught the first European settlers how to grow maize.
Also if they really did have a covenant with the devil, pretty sure that would've come up in conversation at some point.
The pilgrims were treating with them so they obviously didn't think they were satanists.
>>68803906
See
>>68803763
Also were you really assuming this movie took place in an America where Indians never existed?
>>68803826
DUDE I DO DRUGS
Reported for underage
>>68804121
BIG
>>68804200
GOAT
>>68804200
BLACK
>>68804220
kek, I love it when people ruin things.
>>68804232
PHILLIP
>Very often, I've found that people don't like taking the horror parts of a horror film at face value. They like to say everything weird took place only in a given character's head, or in any case we shouldn't take it -- the vampire, the ghost, the demon -- seriously as a thing itself because it doesn't exist in our world and therefore can only gain meaning if were able to find things beneath it. They call this "subtext," and it is The Ultimate Good when it comes to genre fiction -- it's the excuse for genre fiction. That's if you think genre fiction needs to be excused, and possibly because good genre fiction is often so appealing on a visceral level, excuses must be made. I do sort of think that the nadir (or apex, depending on the exact way you're interested in this sort of thing) of this is in the theories that swirl around Stanley Kubrick's The Shining. And I'm not talking just about Rodney Ascher's documentary Room 237, although God knows that did a pretty good job of distilling it all. I'm talking about the kind of thing I read all the time about that movie, that the ghosts in it aren't real, they're only in the mind of Jack Torrance because he's insane, and, er, later, they're also in the head of Wendy Torrance because she's so scared? But that kid really is psychic because that shit can't be explained away. So people pick and choose what's metaphorical and discard what they can't fit in. Meanwhile, the most interesting theory about what The Shining means is the one about the alcoholic writer and the haunted hotel that possesses him. The film is about the doom of Jack Torrance. I believe this take on the film might be regarded as shallow, but to me it is not only deep; it's what (more-or-less) traditional narrative art is. The question, to me, isn't "What more do you need," but rather "What else matters?"
>>68804269
>Look also at Bill Paxton and Brent Hanley's Frailty from 2001, which leads the audience to believe that Paxton's character is murdering innocent people, and teaching his young sons to do the same, because he's suffering from a fanatical religious delusion that these people are in fact malicious demons, only, in the end, to reveal that those people were, in fact, malicious demons. This bothered many viewers because it implied a justification for murder, I guess, but given the tradition of the genre you might as well judge Abraham Van Helsing as equally immoral. The point is, for many, all of this has to mean something else. Frailty has to be about the wrongness of religion, not about demons on Earth, otherwise what are we even doing this for? There is no meaning within the specifics of the story itself. See also Antichrist, which I mentioned I think about a week ago, a film that, like The Witch, was also reduced to being a collection of social issues that Von Trier had the wrong opinions about, but which was rarely, from what I could tell, approached as a horror film, even though that's what it was, and it was the exact particulars of that horror story that explained what that film really was. What's important isn't what we decide that Antichrist is about -- what's important is what Antichrist is actually telling us it's about.
>>68804220
>>68804254
fuck u let me shitpost in peace
>>68803625
She is an absolute qt ayylmao patootie.
>>68804301
I want to kiss her teeth
Let's see if she responds to my question.
>>68803625
Indians got to worry about wendigos and bad spirits and shit, they got stuff a million times worse than just witches.
anyways it was made clear that the father was a hypocrite and leaving the town made them easy prey to satan and his servants.
>>68804366
That ass was so fucking fine, totally took me out of the spooky atmosphere and made me pop a boner.
>>68804366
Embarrassing, anon.
>>68804366
It's a worthwhile question. It needs to be cleared up. My bet is that it is a body double, as these legs look thicker than hers.
>>68804388
>made me pop a boner.
I did at "remove thy shaft", but it didn't take me out of the atmosphere
>>68804358
I want to kiss her bosom.
WITCHED
really though what did she give the devil to make her into a witch? did she suck his dick?
>>68804496
"Shift" not "shaft" dumbass.
>>68804452
d'awww I didn't know black phillip tagged along with her :3
>>68804287
I thought Frailty was about putting yourself in the mind of a true believer and and seeing the world through their eyes.
Basically it's how jihadists also see the world. The movie is effective because it maintains the horror that we as the audience feel when actually realizing their interpretation of reality is terrifying as fuck and we might do the same things they did if we thought that way.
It's true though that it's about stepping away from what you know and embracing the story being told according to its own rules.
Like OP though, I do wonder how Amerindians would've gotten by.
>>68804519
she kissed his anus
>>68804529
>tfw no mental goat companion
>>68804519
She wrote her name in his book, i.e. sold her soul to the devil.
>>68804519
>average /tv/ poster comprehension
>>68804594
I'm from /V/
>>68804496
> making an underage girl take off her clothes
was the goat a /tv/ user?
>>68804630
Black Philip as Krager
>>68803625
Best ass I've ever seen in my entire life, hands down.
where can i watch this all the trackers i checked only have really bad quality rips
I NEED MORE MEDIEVAL SPOOPS
>>68803893
>muh degeneracy
>>68804823
Blood on Satan's Claw
The Devils, although it's not rally a spoopy film, but it's one of my favs
>>68804823
>>68804901
Witchfinder General
Twins of Evil
Most Hammer horror films really
>>68804746
KAT lad
I think the highest quality is 720p webrip right now
>>68804936
I hope we see more of this stuff in the future
>>68804746
1080p STUTTERHIT on RARBG is where I found mine. It's got annoying Korean or Japanese or whatever Asian language subtitles yoi can't remove though, but you can look past it.
>>68803636
We get it, you're black.
>>68804452
no way that bottom half belongs to her top half. i say body double
>>68804452
spoiler: its a dude
