To keep it brief: I like the RLM people and enjoy their videos so, Should I watch pic related or will it ruin any believable pretense of moral authority in their opinions and reviews for me?
Sounds like you have a good idea.
>>68780256
It was an alright movie, it's real problem is that it was 60 minutes too long, their shtick worked better for their short films.
>>68780948
>>68781031
I'm not really afraid of crappy production values and whatnot, but I'm thinking that an overuse of schlock (rationalized as *knowingly* schlocky but in reality just employed as an easy formula to avoid effort) is a more than likely possibility in this
>its a mike bullies Rich evans episode
>>68780256
How long before a fan edit that trims it down to 50 minutes and makes it actually watchable?
>>68780256
>moral authority in their opinions
What the fuck are you getting on about?
>>68781502
The opening was fine, the apartment scene was abysmal because it lays out the shitty formula of awkward silences and lazy jokes, which only somewhat work for the protagonist, but when everyone does it, it gets sickeneing to watch.
>>68781755
The brittle foundation of criticism, professional or not is the benefit of the doubt: a piece of (argumented) judgement can be challenged, but can't really be considered essentially invalid in itself on simple grounds of disagreement
This pointedly falls apart if the critic actually PROVES himself unable to uphold the standards and criteria she uses to deem the work of others acceptable, as the de-facto "moral" footing which everybody is entitled to and allows one to emit an opinion (and that is considered to exist only because it may have not yet proved otherwise) is thoroughly invalidated
Space Cop is a great film.
>>68783031
>you gotta make good movies to review movies
Fuck off, mouthbreather.
>>68783564
> you gotta make good movies (or not make movies at all so you don't risk proving yourself incapable of understanding what makes a movie good) to review movies
Fixed that for ya
>this is the kind of shit /tv/ actually watches
>>68783453
u wot m8?
It was terrible. They linger on shots they deem funny so long that they become unfunny.
If you want an example of trying too hard to make a movie that's so bad it's good. This is it.
>>68783782
Ebert made movies.
They were awful.
>>68780256
>Should I watch pic related or will it ruin any believable pretense of moral authority in their opinions and reviews for me
Are those the only two possible outcomes for your tiny brain to understand?
comfy commentary track
>>68780256
>ruin any believable pretense of moral authority in their opinions and reviews for me
Don't watch it. You're clearly too stupid for even a dumb goofy movie like this.
>>68783901
Surely you can't be this stupid to believe this
>>68780256
You sound retarded. Why would you even be interested in RLM?
>>68780256
I agree OP, they have made a career of ripping on movies (which is fine), but then they put out such shit movies under the guise of "its intentionally bad" which Mike himself has said that good bad movies are movies that try to be actual movies and fail. Not try and be a shlocky mess on purpose.
>>68783951
Eberts opinion is also shit, hes been wrong many times,
The problem with the movie is that it's merely okay. It's not fascinatingly horrible like the TGWTG movies, and it's not a bloated, overly expensive disaster like the AVGN movie. Space Cop is competent, has some funny moments, some nice shot composition, but goes on too long and has long stretches between the humorous bits. It's merely okay.
/tv/ doesn't know how to process something that is "alright but not great" so they have to pretend it's the worst thing ever, it has lowered their opinion of RLM, RLM is on suicide watch, "bad on purpose" and other buzz phrases because most of the people here just want to shitpost and not have an actual discussion.
>>68781502
You're delusional.
>>68784088
>"its intentionally bad"
This is the most boring, lazy fucking attempt at a criticism and it's literally the only go-to that /tv/ has against the movie. It's not even accurate, if you've actually seen the movie.
I didn't think the movie was very good btw.
>>68784119
This. Space Cop is better than TGWTG movies.
it was kinda boring to be honest
>>68781648
That would be nice
>>68780256
Creating and criticizing are two separate skills so they don't have to practice what they preach.
>>68784088
Jay has stated that it's not intentionally bad and that is good enough for me.
>>68784298 >>68783564
Failing to apply claimed knowledge and understanding of the medium to one's own work implies laziness, incompetence, or both; judging other's work by standards one chooses to ignore is hypocritical and ultimately self-undermining
What you do with one affects the other, you must understand this
>>68784586
What have you made?
This is my"review".
Space Cop failed to live up to my extremely low expectations. Space Cop couldn't even live up to the expectations set by the ironically bad trailers. I remember how many people defended the trailers by saying the clips in them were simply outtakes - little did they know that the "outtakes" were actually the best parts of the movie.
I think Space Cop's worst crime was being boring. Every scene overstayed its welcome; every joke dragged out to Family Guy proportions. The jokes themselves felt few and far between. Space Cop wasn't even good enough to be considered a bad movie. A bad movie can still manage entertain - but Space Cop was just forgettable. Best of the Worst proves that even BAD films have some value. You can sit around and mock them with friends, come to 4chan and force terrible memes and revel in its awfulness. What value does a forgettable film like Space Cop have?
Based on a large poll taken from /tv/, something like 30% of the people said they couldn't even finish the movie. Another 30% hated it. That's fucking abysmal, considering that fans of RLM came into the movie well aware of their comedic style and low quality of skits. However those low expectations didn't temper the chilly reception at all. Fuck, even r/RedLetterMedia openly hated it.
Space Cop defenders will always bring up the fact that the movie was a success because it sold out of Blu Rays (twice!). This argument is practically meaningless for two reasons: no one knows how many copies were sold - Jay or Mike declared it was just a pet project and never expected it to be successful in the first place - I doubt many were created in the first place. And secondly, does a film's success make it a good movie? Is The Phantom Menace a good movie because it made a billion dollars? Is Lucas any happier now? Probably not. And I doubt Mike is either.
tl;dr Space Cop committed the worst crime: being dull and forgettable. Mike and Lucas rhyme poetically.
>>68784308
Is making an UNINTENTIONALLY unwatchable movie really that much better?
It was just so fucking boring.
It feels like they didn't give the plot enough focus at all so they could work on all the gags - but all the gags were either already in the trailers, dragged out to unfunny lengths or just not funny to begin with.
I feel bad for them, really. :/
>>68785334
>unwatchable
You do get that this is only your opinion, right?
>>68785594
They shouldn't have done a sci-fi.
They should have done a straight comedy that they can just cram jokes after jokes into.
>>68785704
He's not alone.
Roughly 30% of /tv/ posters couldn't even finish watching it. I was one of them.
It's really, really bad. I got one of the first blue rays and I immediately I subscribed from /r/redlettermedia. I only laughed once during the whole thing
>>68786152
Everyone I know loved Space Cop. A bad movie does not sell out twice.
>>68786254
>transformers is good!
>bad movies don't make 1 billion
>>68786656
Meant for >>68786403
>>68786403
Wow! Your circle of 5 friends all shared the same opinion!
A bad movie doesn't make good money!
>>68780256
The movie is fine. Dont listen to the 4chan hate.
The jealousy in RLM threads is insane nowadays.
>>68787348
>people who didn't like Space Cop are just jealous
Really, anon? Really.
>>68787348
>the jealousy in RLM threads is insane
Do you actually think anyone is jealous of some internet """"""""celebrities"""""""? Especially the ones that made this space cop shit?
>posting in a literal shill thread
>>68787976
I want that juicy shaq meat
>>68784119
this pretty much. I had fun with it, and consider it a donation more so than me thinking the movie is worth 20$. it actually made me laugh, which is something an actual big budget movie hasn't made me do in years, at least not intentionally anyway
>>68780256
>I like the RLM
stopped right there
consider going back to plebbit and/or suicide
>>68790169
This thread was practically dead and you felt the urge to bump it for that huh?
>>68780256
It's fun watched with friends "best-of-the-worst-style". But pretty much every movie is enjoyable that way and there're better options for that.
Alone it's just not worth the time imo.
It had too many fat people in it.
>>68784115
>hes been wrong many times,
And you haven't?
>>68780256
It's fine. Not great, not crap. They understand pacing and informative dialogue and it works.
>>68792227
I have never in my life been wrong about antyhing.
>>68792404
>antyhing
god damn it
>>68792379
>"They understand pacing and informative dialogue and it works."
- Anonymous, /tv/
Wow, what a depressing and clinical endorsement. That'll look great on a promotional poster.
I think it was pretty funny in the beginning, but fell off near the end there. Just because I felt like there was less jokes and more straight faced antics.
Not on topic, but has anybody else noticed that the camera work in BOTW is getting pretty bad. like the opening scenes, whhere they discuss the movies, the camera is swaying back and forth as if not on a tripod. then in the latest BOTW the pan on the movies at the bottom was just far too fast.
i've been defenind these guys for a while but it seems like they're genuinely starting to give up, realizing that purposefully bad and just bad aren't that different
SOMEONE POST THE JAY COPYPASTA PLEASE
for what it is its ok
but by any standard it is shit
>Space Cop
More like Space Faggot amirite?
>>68793597
THE JAY COPYPASTA
>>68793597
I've been banned too many times anon. I'm a reformed man.
>>68793802
>>68789449
This isn't a shill thread
>>68789449
It's something worse
is rlm /film/?
![QQjGZkx[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zAIurOt.jpg "QQjGZkx[1].jpg")
>>68780256
It was fine for what it was. I just wish it would try to be more. But I don't think they'll ever do that.
This thread reminded me that I hadn't seen it, so I watched it.
It was overall much better than I expected. It wasn't laugh out loud funny-- okay maybe a few times, especially at Rich-- but was sufficiently entertaining. The effects and camera work and editing and hired actors were all quite good. Lots more props and sets and costumes than expected. Many comfy 80s plot devices and tropes. You get the sense they did a lot with little, espcially with respect to sets.
Several bits felt off, out of tune with the whole, and you wonder what they were thinking.
And just like Feeding Frenzy the truth is that Mike's performance is odd and all over the place, and hes sometimes not taking things seriously (and not in a good way), and then beating other things to death.
RLM fans will like it well enough, I think. Non RLM fans? Would depend on the person and their expectations.
I thought it was the best movie I've ever seen.
>>68799763
Mike's character was one of the big problems. I wish he had taken the role more seriously. I hardly need to tell them that's a great basis for comedy.
I'm not sure if it's down to his own insecurities that he has to do things that broad, but I think he could have done more with it.
>>68799906
mike is not insecure he is an alpha. his performance was fine you just didn't get it
>>68799906
Mike would have been great if he had just played it straight, flat even. Something in him won't let him, and he starts mugging and doing weird shit. It's hard to process how the guy who did Plinkett who clearly deeply understands what's funny and what isn't can be so tone deaf and unwatchable.
I get the sense though that Mike is why the plot, however silly, is still very well-constructed and is loaded with those 80s movie tropes and devices, which along with the strong camera work and editing-- and Rich Evans and the Canadians-- are the best strongest parts of of the movie.
>>68800232
>the strong camera work and editing
it looked like a porn parody
>>68800232
Also:
Mike and Jay in HITB and elsewhere like to say comedy, jokes have "a setup and payoff".
Is there a single setup and payoff in Space Cop?
>>68800326
Can the camera work of porn parodies not be "strong"?
I disagree that the whole film is shot and edited that way. It certainly is not.
Mike's a cunt, fuck him for bullying Rich
>>68800730
sure, if we redefined "strong" as "make everything look as cheap, ugly and low-effort as possible"
>>68793597
>>68793802
>>68794318
I have no idea what the Jay copypasta is but now I'm curious as fuck someone please post
>>68784649
You don't need to be a chef to not like a meal.
But if you're going to be a food critic AND a chef then you'd better not fail in the same ways you yourself have described as "lazy" or "incompetent" or the like.
Better?
>>68800426
The little kid that Space Cop tries to kill
The female alien stealing the rock from the power plant
The way Space Cop saves the day at the end (a reverse set-up and payoff)
>>68801392
>I'm definitely not the same guy that keeps begging for it to be posted, honest.
>>68793802
Just look in the archives for an old RLM thread, you fucking retard.
>>68786152
30% of /tv/ posters would tell you the Sopranos or Mad Men are shit. 90% of them hate any popular movie that comes out. A good portion of /tv/ hates everything
Why is every actor in Space Cop so depressing and disgusting? Are fat, ugly actors the only kind that are available in Wisconsin?
There's a reason RLM are famous only for their criticisms and not their original movies.
I couldn't get through Space Cop without the commentary track going
PLINKETTO
>>68805695
What are you talking about? Aside from the RLM guys and the police chief, everyone else looks fine.
>it's SUPPOSED to be bad xD
>>68807505
It's not "supposed to be bad". They just didn't put any effort into making it good.
I don't believe for one moment that Jay didn't think they were producing something bad on purpose.
Hearing all their criticisms of other movies they know exactly what shit looks like and that's what they made.
Space Cop feels like a film made as a proof of concept to show executives or something.
>imagine what we can do with a budget! It'll be great!
