Quips are art, haven't you read Shakespeare
Thats like the kind of shit theyd use in high school to teach you what symbolism is
Bravo snyder you hack
>>68769444
That's not symbolism, that's a shovel to the face.
HOLY SHIT
Superman is supposed to be jesus
Am I the only one who got that just now?
>>68769621
Wow man
How do i learn how to dissect films like this
I believe there's a hidden part in the Bible where Joseph prevented teenage Jesus from saving him in a storm near the sea of Galilee.
>>68769521
sup reddit
>>68769748
God I would love to have a collection of apocryphal stories about Joseph being a dick.
Why don't people write Bible fan fiction anymore? Is not cool?
>>68769444
yes, just not as heavy handed as murder man
>>68769444
I like how Snyder delivers the Jesus-meme to his Superman.
>>68769871
No there isn't
>>68770181
>pfffft
>pffffft
>pfft
>>68770220
well, thanks for proving my point
>>68769444
>>68769729
>capeshit
>>68769444
Yes. All films employ symbolism because it's a basic narrative tecnique.
>>68769814
you can thank that joykill luther
>>68770526
>luther
Wait a minute. HOW DEEP DOES THIS GO!?
Got so pumped when I saw the specks of dirt rising from his coffin. Such a subtle hint we might be seeing the resurrection of a character that was so beloved because I flashed back to MoS when he was in the church. Makes so much sense and glad Snyder had the balls to pull it off. I clapped in the theater.
>>68771451
kek
>>68769444scene effects were not finished and it wasn't used at the end of the bar fight
>>68769444
No cause they're not 14 yr old trying to make "deep" films
>>68771583
That was more of a reference than symbolism
LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD
>>68771583
I'd kind of like to see that in context. It didn't even make a deleted scene, did it?
>>68771723
>>68771583
>dies
>is resurrected
pottery
>>68771617
Yes, they are a 10 year old
What is this person on 4chan talking about?
In reference to a scene in an anime, I said:
It's a funny scene, but... isn't it also a little, y'know, creepy? But maybe that's what makes it funny.
To which someone replied:
>>>/reddit/
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/7USNzCo.jpg "latest[1].png")
>>68769444
WHAT IS SYMBOLISM?
>>68771776
sick burn, bro
very creative
>>68771707
Groot does sacrifice himself liek Jesus
>>68771583
CAPEKINO
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>>68771814
It would only go over your head, big guy.
>>68771759
>A SECOND FRESH REVIEW
everytime
>>68769444
yes
the DCuck meltdown was entertaining to watch at first but now it's just pathetic tbphwy
>>68771874
Love the show, but those are all promo material, right?
>>68769809
Fucking capeshitters are terminal cancer.
>>68769444
Where's the symbolism, I don't see it ?
It's probably 2subtle4me
Please explain
>>68771874
Why is this the only good thing to come out from the MCU? Is it because this is the only one where the character actually have a psychology?
>>68769444
Its pretty basic symbolism
The preacher is being contacted by a being of a higher plane of existance, such that he views Clark as a supernatural being like Jesus. This is from the preacher's perspective, and is perfect foreshadowing to Superman's dissatisfaction with his role in BvS. It is not until he dies, that humanity realizes he was just a man trying to do the right thing
>>68769621
The point of the overt jesus imagery is so fucking obvious. It's because every human sees him as a savior, but he can't find it in himself. He knows that he's just a man, and he's not ready for the responsibility.
Christ, I don't even like the movie and you fucking plebs got less out of it than I did. Kill yourselves.
>>68769621
But that's wrong. Superman is Moses.
>>68772104
>literally repeating what he just said
>>68772079
I can't wait to see the global freakout his return brings. If he thinks it's tough now being seen as an ordinary Joe, try coming back from the dead.
>>68772017
don't forget the cinematography
>>68769444
Neither does dc :^)
Its iconography.
>>68772017
It also helps to have hours upon hours of time to develop charactersexcept Karen
>>68769729
>marvelcucks need this explained to them
roflmao
>>68769444
nah, the closest thing that comes to mind is the cheap "TAKE MY HAND" metaphor in GotG or Stark's suit army being made of paper in IM3
>>68772387
>dat skull on Frank's shirt
Gets me every time.
>>68772473
>dcucks dont even into symbolism.
>>68772526
widdle babby mad?
>>68772618
>"widdle baby mad" he writes as he chugs his moutain dew flavored mouth fedora very much self pleased with his work.
>As he lets out his cloud he scratches his dorito beard realizing how more mature he is compared to others on this board "welp off to make another dc damage control thread" he says as he inhales from his mouth fadora.
To answer your question. No.
So why can't you into symbolism dcuck?
>>68772765
lmao he mad
>>68772840
Triggered into delusion dcuck?
>>68772473
>>68772526
>>68772618
>>68772765
>>68772840
>>68772979
You know you're both equally pathetic, right?
>>68773025
>>68772979
calm down lol
>>68773025
I came here to chew bubble gum and shit post. I mean post while i shit.
Anywhoo, explain to me why snyder can into symbolism very well? He tries but never gets it.
>>68773119
Another guy here, but I'd say he tries and *you* don't get it.
>>68774102
>it's to smart for you meme
So you don't have an answer?
It's not done well. It's almost either the plot or the symbolism is the afterthought of his movies.
I want to say he's good at it but he really isnt senpai.
I mean it's sad when a film like 9 is how symbolism should work. Not space jesus.
>>68769931
God, the A1 mask was so awful it's impossible to take every non-action seen with him wearing it seriously. He might as well be wearing the Reb Brown helmet.
>>68774359
Seeing Space Jesus basically means you just picked up on the most superficial meaning. That's not a bad reflection on you or anyone else, because I know it took me a while personally to see what he's got going on.
The religious imagery isn't there to tell us "Superman = Space Jesus." It's to give the viewers a read on how people in the movie perceive Superman. That church scene is a great example of what I'm talking about.
When Clark first walks in, he's framed in silhouette there in on the threshold with a basically a blank, white background. Then the conversation between him and the priest ensues. He drops the bombshell on the priest that he's the guy Zod's looking for, the priest visibly gulps, and *then* we start seeing Clark framed with the stained glass behind him.
Over the course of that conversation, the priest begins to see past that "otherworldly power" image, till at the end of it, he's looking at Clark no differently than when he first entered. Just a man on the threshold of his future.
>>68769444
can anyone explain this symbolism to me? i don't get it, Snyderverse is too clever for me
>>68769809
>>68772017
>where the character actually have a psychology
>>68769729
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>>68775242
But thats not symbolism thats iconography in its fullest extent. I understand the context of man killing god (ect ect) but this iconography i have the issue with is the fact it adds no real layer of depth or any extra meaning.
>>68774504
>>It's to give the viewers a read on how people in the movie perceive Superman.
Why should we care about how the people in the movie perceive Superman?
>>That church scene is a great example of what I'm talking about.
More like it was a shit scene, and an example of how forced the symbolism was.
>>68776080
It does when viewed from the context of Superman's character arc. In the first movie, he's basically "born," so to speak, in the second, we see him struggling with it more fully, which culminates in the realization he has when viewing the flood. That's when he realizes he's taking humanity(and himself) down the wrong path with the image that's projecting. He's going to have to reconsider his approach, and in the aftermath of BvS, it's only going to get harder for him to do.
The irony front and center in BvS is that all the people of the world are all talking about their "new place in the paradigm," but the only people who are worried about Superman's place in it are Clark, Bruce, and Lex.
In subsequent appearances, this struggle is most likely going to come to the forefront more as he basically struggles to more firmly cement his role as a hero, not a god.
>>68769809
>muh jesus symbols
Symbolism doesn't mean shit if the plot/story is fucking stupid.
That's like saying The Room was good because the tickling in bed symbolizes Lisa dissatisfaction with Johnny.
>>68776183
Mainly because of what one of the pundits having the televised conversation has to say:
"Humanity has a long history of following powerful figures down the road to atrocity,"
>>68769444
>Creators of superman
>both Jews
>Creation gets turned into a symbol for Christianity
how much would they have flipped in their graves?
>>68776392
>Mainly because of what one of the pundits having the televised conversation has to say:
Who doesn't love FEDNN?Forced Exposition Delivery News Network
>>68771583
>>68771772
How can Znyder compete with this
How did Superman dying translate over to Jesus' sacrifice? One died for our sins and the other for his own sins. That's pretty much the opposite of Jesus.
>>68776595
Because he's not Jesus?
>>68776626
Then all this symbolism alluding to him being messianic is a red herring
>>68776702
>>68775242
Work with me a sec here. What is it that makes him "super" again?
>>68776778
Alien genetics.
>>68776794
And being in our environment, right?
>>68776813
yeah
>>68771707
Which is exactly the extent to all of Snyder's fucking imagery.
>>68776841
So in a sense, you could say his nature and environment work together to make him seem god-like, even though he's really just a person, right?
>>68769484
Are these quips?
https://youtu.be/vhiFzT4XlWE
>>68769444
Yes.
The symbolism in the "worthy of lifting the hammer scene" is incredible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iK_DYYS-oM
Much more kino than that hacky music video director putting lazy Jesus imagery on everything.
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Winter Soldier is all about symbolism.
Cap is the spirit of America, or at least America’s idealized potential. He's humble, he's good, he inspires others, he's all about "muh freedoms," he’s a throwback to the last time Americans saw themselves as the heroes of a truly unambiguous conflict (WWII), and is uncomfortable with/disgusted by America as it is today, having compromised its freedoms and ideals in the name of security. He repeatedly mentions how he feels lost in the modern world and its moral ambiguities, is depressed, and possibly suicidal.
Winter Soldier is America as it actually is. He's a killing machine that has caused untold death and destruction around the world over the last century (with imagery explicitly suggesting the numerous political assassinations and upheavals of the period), his true agenda hidden behind the distracting specter of Communism (the red star, the fact that he speaks in Russian for the first half of the movie and is noted/shown as favoring Russian weapons/ammunition) but in reality is a brainwashed feral animal in thrall to shadowy powers-that-be who believe in war and the reduction of freedoms in the name of order (a big change from the comics, where he really was a Russian agent: that's not an accident)
Think about how the movie ends. The Winter Soldier, America-as-it-is, confronts Cap, the Spirit of idealized American values. Cap, unwilling to kill his friend, surrenders. The feral beast that is America attacks the personification of its (theoretical) values and starts beating that personification to death with its bare hands. Only a nagging sense that maybe this is wrong, a flicker of memory from a time when he cared about the thing he is beating bloody, stops him from finishing the job. And that depressed and disheartened spirit of America lets it happen, is totally willing to be killed as it pleads with America-as-it-is to remember what it should be.
>>68777448
Not bad at all.
>>68769444
Sure.
Hurt Locker is the finest kino within the MCU
complete movie pleb here
of course even I can see why "look Superman is jesus there is even a little jesus in this shot do u geddit" is bad, but what is a good example of good/subtle symbolism (an actual explanation, not just dropping a pic and saying "if you don't get it that's the point :^))?
Does anyone have that comic of the anon hugging all of the Marvel titles until reddit comes and makes him hug the DC movies that are all in the garbage?
Quick. What would it be like to stand in a room with Thor, bro-est of gods? Would you be able to forget what he was and what he's capable of? What about the Hulk? Would be able to treat them like just another guy or would you be watching your every word. self-conscious about everything you said and did?
reminder that BvS and MoS are kino
>>68777773
If you were trying to get a lucky number you failed
>>68777769
Remember that scene from The Fellowship of the Ring where Gandalf got pissed at Bilbo and the whole room darkened and you could literally hear his power levels rising?
>>68777769
>>68777931
Now imagine *being* that guy and never being able to turn that off, and everywhere you went, people treated you differently and everything you tried failed to bridge that gap. That's what the religious iconography is there to convey in MoS and BvS.
Now go back and try to find examples of it associated with Clark Kent. Let me stress that - Clark Kent, not some anonymous, bearded man who you just saw walk through fire and crush a metal door in his bare hands, not a stranger who just revealed to you he's an alien - Clark Kent.
Now tell me it's just there because Space Jesus.
>>68777769
>>68777931
>>68778152
It's not that there's anything wrong with the fact that people in the MCU don't tend to act like Thor couldn't just casually reach out and pop their heads off just for lulz, but it's in no way conveying what it would actually be like to be in the presence of a being that powerful.
>>68769729
>one man pitted against a helicopter that's trying to take of
thrilling stuff
>>68769931
>Summer 2012
>Visiting cousin in the states
>We decide to go see the Avengers
>Theater is packed, I find this weird because the film had been out for two months by this point
>We sit somewhere in the back, giggling as the front rows fill with overweight people barely able to fit in their seats and a few in fat people scooters
>The film starts, things go relatively well until we get to that scene
>The theater gets suspiciously quiet, I don't know what's about to happen but I can sense something coming
>"They're basically gods", the pilot says
>Our theater's audience is waiting with baited tuna breath
>Captain America appears
>"There's only one god, ma'am..."
>Already a few people start hooting and hollering
>"...and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that."
>Uproariously, the theater breaks out into applause and cheering. There are women weeping and men saluting, children dancing in the aisles.
>Some douchebag wearing a fedora takes out a guitar, and begins to strum it along to the tune of "God Bless the USA"
>The entire theater joins in unison, acting like it's Whoville at Christmas, waving flags and holding hands
>The projector suddenly stops the film, and a few minutes later, some old patriotic film begins to play. It was one of those old sing-along reels, this one with the National Anthem
>I suddenly realize, it's 4 July
>We're trapped, in the back, no way to escape as they sing all the verses of the National Anthem for 9 minutes and 11 seconds
>Some kid begins to shoot off fireworks in the middle of the theater and destroy the sprinklers
>Entire place goes up in flames, we barely make it out alive
>>68778671
BvS is a decent film
>MUH SUPERHEROES SHOULD BE FUN AND SIMPLE
BvS has cool symbolics
>TOO SIMPLE!!!!!!
Never change marveldrones
>>68779786
>BvS is a decent film
BvS theatrical release is a poorly edited version of an overwhelmingly stupid script
>BvS has cool symbolics
HEY WOULD YOU LOOK AT ALL THIS JESUS SHIT? SUPERMAN IS AHAB GET IT?!?! LOOK AT ALL THESE CAMELOT REFERENCES!!! DO YOU FEEL SMART FOR SEEING THIS, BECAUSE WE SURE FEEL SMART FOR SHOWING IT!!!!
>Never change marveldrones
plz change DCuck. You're being an enabler and ruining what should be the good capeshit company. Snyder doesn't get a pass because he tried and failed. Stop supporting self-important incompetence. plz.
>>68769729
The cryogenically frozen Disney brain
I'm surprised that one of the characters didn't make a reference to it being 3 days after the burial right before the dirt rising.
>>68777255
that was painful
