have with the film.
RESPONSE TO FAQ:
After seeing it a 2nd time I noticed that
1. There were a lot of funny moments, some deadpan some irony levity was there it just wasn't at the forefront of the movie. This isn't a comedy so it shouldn't be.
2. Batman did seem to kill more than I originally thought but so did batman in almost every other batman movie so it's really a null point.
3. Lex Luthor was a modern take on a Tech/Weapon mogul. Also worth noting is that he may have been acting out of character, LexCorp denounced him publicly saying they didn't understand his actions..
Lex and Batman were both seen acting out of character (by extension the whole world seemed to be confused). The reason is obvious... there has been an alien invasion on a massive scale as well as a revealing that there have been alien(s) and metahumans living amongst us all along. This is a huge power shift. Lex mirror's Batman in being a rich orphaned kid who sought power and control. The externalize influence to create inner peace. Superman's presence demoted them from a position of power and had them amidst psychotic breakdowns.
When Batman is stuck on the whole "Martha" thing Lois runs up to batman informing him and consoling him as if he's a lunatic dressed up in a ridiculous outfit about to kill someone in some sort of crazed frenzied psychotic break. "Its his mom dude, relax" is basically how she approached batman. Batman is indeed crazy and that's what Zack wanted to portray. Batman and Lex Luthor are really both one in the same and both shared a common goal.
>>68684208
This makes sense, why they symbolism of the Devil is both in doomsday and Batman.
But tell me, why did louis go for the spear when doomsday showed up?
yeah dude, we've been saying this. it isn't the incomprehensible mess people are making it out to be
I sincerely enjoyed this movie. That being said, it definitely could've been better. I hope the 3 hour long version will clear up some things.
I'd be happy to discuss the movie but I'm burned out OP, I'll let other people do it. I do believe that it's great.
>>68685373
not that guy but the way it's depicted is the audience is shown lois running out of the building where she stops and looks over the bay to the area where the ship is. once she hears the roar is when she goes back inside
S H I L L
Why did Lex use experimental bullets that could be traced back to him?
>>68685610
DCucks BTFO AGAIN
>>68685838
THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN
>>68685801
Probably just a shitty plot device.
>>68684208
But the Batman character has existed in a world with superhumans and aliens before, and it never drove him to kill people. It makes even less sense when you realize he's not killing superpowered beings but regular human beings.
There are only two reasons to explain Batman being a serial murderer: Snyder either doesn't know about his no-kill policy, which I highly doubt is the case, or he doesn't care, which is worse.
Let him torture the fuck out of criminals. There are examples of Batman going apeshit when someone close to him is seriously hurt or killed.
>>68684208
>second time
>not waiting for the director cut
cuck
>>68684208
>Just got back from seeing Batman vs. Superman a second time.
Not even with this they will get 1 billion
Reply to this post with the RT score you think the movie really deserved.
>>68686757
27.9%
>>68687209
>>68684208
>TBAB
>>68687298
Tetra-n-butylammonium bromide
>>68687357
THE BOYS ARE BACK
FAGGOT
>A reading from the Acts of Man of Steel
>Scene 2:13: Selected passages
>3 And I heard a loud voice from the cinema saying, "Look! Snyder's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and Snyder himself will be with them and be their saviour.
>4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more repetitive or safe or cheap comedy or quips, for the old order of Marvel movies has passed away."
>13 And so they hated him, and persecuted him. The critics crucified him and threw rotten tomatoes at him.
>14 But he persevered and gained strength from the audience, and so we will persevere.
>15 And he stands by the right side of the spirit of Kino, and draws inspiration from it, and so will his followers.
>22 During the filming of the port battle at Batman v Superman, Snyder was found wandering along the port.
>23 In one of such instances he walked on water while carrying an IMAX camera on one hand, which greatly terrified his cast and crew at that time.
>24 Affleck, out of fear, shouted "Snyder, if it is you, tell me to come to the water!"
>25 "Come". Snyder said.
>26 Affleck stepped on the water and walked for a few feet but then sank. He cried out "Snyder, hast thou forsaken me? Save me, oh dear brother!"
>27 Immediately Snyder reached out his hand and caught him.
>28 Snyder exclaimed, "Bin Muhammad Afflecki, why did you doubt?"
>29 And so the heretic one vowed to spread the word.
>>68686757
Kek
>>68687458
new meme?
>>68685578
This senpai.
I've been saying in thread after thread that is wasn't "Martha" that stopped batman, but Lois.
>>68685801
I honestly don't remember that that well, but weren't the bullets being designed to try (and ultimately fail) and hurt superman. I figure that's why it wasn't ordinary bullets but I can't remember if this was addressed.
>>68685961
Superman isn't the reason he's killing people.
It's hinted over and over that something happened in the past with the joke that tipped him over the edge
>>68685801
Would have made more sense if it was some kind of laser that looked like superman's heat vision
>>68687907
it's totally implied Superman is the reason. there's a whole scene with Alfred
>>68684208
I always laugh at people who try to find ways to justify the existence of such a piece of shit movie. It was failure, move on.
>>68685523
4 hour.
>>68687981
THE FEVER
THE RAGE
>>68688002
Doug please
>>68688019
FUCKING NORMIES TOOK AWAY ARE KINO
>>68687981
No didn't you see the bit with the suit covered in graffiti, or Bruce talking about how all the good people he knew turned to shit, it hints at something from the past. He's already given up on his ideals, he's just continuing that though process onto superman. The scene with Alfred is him rationalizing why he sees superman as bad, not why he should kill (which he's already resign too.
>>68688241
I'm sure the extra couple of hours will solve all the complaints.
why couldn't DC give us the 3 hour kino.
>>68688442
The 2h30m cut is self-important and redundant enough.
>>68686757
25%
>>68688506
Maybe for you.
>>68688644
For anyone with actual cinema IQ it is.
>No guys, BvS is good, I swear
>>68688442
4 hour. The original was 4 hours. So we'll see that eventually.
>>68688442
Because I could barely put up with 2.5 hours of it.
>I just came back from watching this turd
>It was secretly a masterpiece and only I know why
Contrarians are so fucking boring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-MUzvASr8s
what do you think of this scene?
>>68686757
Maybe a few points lower but I think what it got is about what it deserves.
>Actually praising garbage to feel different
>he watched this pile of dogshit a second time
Literally how? It's so long and boring and assfuckingly stupid.
>>68688506
plebian detected
>>68689631
>actually shitting on a movie you haven't seen to fit in
>>68689855
But I saw it you fucking retard
>>68684208
why is this a terrible piece of hot garbage?
>>68688685
>I can't comprehend true cinema
Maybe Captain Quip: Plebian War is more your speed
>>68685801
I'm still looking for an answer to this. It's the only thing that doesn't fit. I'm hoping the deleted scenes shed some more light on that subplot.
>>68690432
>BvS, a literal toy catalog
>true cinema
Tryhard as fuck
>>68690432
>if you think my movie is shit you must be a fan of [competitor's movie]
Autism.
I was ready to hate BvS from day one. I'm the biggest DCfag that I know of, and no way Snyder would do a good job. I had faith in Batfleck though.
I went the 24th, and something unexpected happened. I like it. A lot. I had fun. I saw the flaws, and yeah it was very dense, but 30% on RT? What the hell.
I go back, because I have to understand. I was probably being a fanboy. And while there's a ton of flaws andd stupid decisions, I still like it.
I've been 4 times now, and everytime I've enjoyed it a it more. It's weird as fuck.And even I want Snyder to get the fuck out.
>>68689033
You know what's the most infuriating thing with faggots like you? You don't even want to understand. I've seen multiple people, me among them, spell out in explicit detail why they think it's good, what they saw in it that other people missed, and how that informs what's happening and why. The explanations are cogent, consistent, and totally in keeping with the source material.
And then you guys dismiss it, because entertaining the thought that someone might be more perceptive or insightful or more conversant with the subject than you simply does not compute, and it makes you come across as some kind of smug "participation trophy," "everyone's special in their own way" asshole.
Know what I think? I think everyone *can* be special, but it doesn't happen without some work on their part. So by all means, sit back on your lazy ass and handwave away other people's interpretations and insights as contrarianism. Just do so knowing that there are people like myself who think you're nothing more than a lazy, stupid asshole cowering within your "safe space."
>>68692503
>Getting this triggered over someone not taking your over-analyzing of capeshit seriously
if this is serious what a waste of so-called """"receptiveness"""".
hurting inside
>>68692257
I'm in the same boat. I've gone to see it multiple times, but I'm starting to believe that Snyder and his team might actually be attempting something really daring for a cape flick, and I'm terrified that WB will get panicky and pull the plug before they get a chance to see it through.
>>68692703
Greenstein looks like some random bitch from the convention floor
>>68692257
Good thing your opinion doesn't mean a thing
>>68692503
WEW LAD
>>68692503
>>68692503
Its ok anon, I agree
>>68692503
I'll never get tired of watching DCucks meltdown like this
I'm torn, I kinda want to see this out of curiosity...but I haven't really dug most of Snyder's movies in the past so I kinda don't want to waste the time and money.
>>68692503
>everyone *can* be special, but it doesn't happen without some work of their part
>Like, for example, overanalyzing toy catalogs
>>68692503
HOLY SHIT KILL YOURSELF
>>68692654
>>68695358
>>68694967
>>68693881
>>68693533
And even the responses are lazy. How pathetically predictable.
>>68695732
Triggered? Someone challenge babby's pwecious widdle preconceptions?
>>68695867
cry more DCuck
I love it
>>68695867
Kill yourself pretentious manchild
Time and time again it has been explained that the problems with BvS lie with the overall structure of the film, several internal contradictions and the entire third act.
you just dismiss this and keep forcing the 2deep4u meme, praising symbolism and motifs that are stated in-dialogue as if this fixed the many problems that the movie has.
Fuck you.
>>68696010
Is that a self-portrait?
>>68685592
then gets into the water, without anyone telling her doomsday the giant monster is the same species as her husband.
also why did superdad show up?
that was NEVER even once covered and I doubt the full edition will ever explain it.
>>68695867
TELL THAT TO ZOD'S SNAPPED NECK
>>68696055
>pretends people actually criticize those things
>People literally are retards and complain about Superman and Batman not being like in the comics whilst ignoring the films context
top kek there mate
>>68696055
None of the symbolism's meaning is stated in the film, not even by the guy you think does it. Did you really think Luthor speaks literally about anything other than what he wants?
There's only three pivotal scenes with him exhibiting that very behavior, but I guess you were texting during them.
>>68696204
>amongst the fishes... a whale
>calling the weapon a harpoon
>prometheus
>Icarus
>gods that fall from the sky
>judge, jury, executioner
>The entire conversation with the judge
I wasn't texting, mate, I was taking notes.
>>68696066
Didn't she see the Batman headed her way, too?
Superdad was one of the most comic book moments in the whole movie. Did you need him to tell you he was a memory so you wouldn't think he was a Force-ghost or something? Maybe the screen should have gone all wavy like they used to go into dream sequences in old TV shows.
>>68696157
>I'm a tourist and I've been here all week.
>>68696351
So you think the symbolism is saying what exactly?
I'm not going to browbeat you with what I think, but I'll share it with you if you're willing to do the same.
>>68686757
19%, average rating 3.9.
>>68693881
hi /co/
>>68696473
>>68696351
Me again. I'm betting your response will be that it was on,y there to look cool and nothing more. I'm hoping you'll prove me to be mistaken.
>>68696655
Snyder is attempting to equate superheroes to mythological beings, making parallels between the events in the movie and works of universal literature, greek myths, iconic religious figures and arthuric legends.
>>68696979
Granted, but to what end?
>>68697207
Every single one of them serves a different purpose.
Moby Dick illustrates Batman's obsession and the loss of himself that ensues.
Luthor comparing Supes with Prometheus illustrates his allegorical fight against Olympus and his comparison of Zod with Icarus mirrors Zod's exhorbitant ambition.
Arthuric imagery deals with the entire tragedy aspect, the rupture of a pact shatters the lives of those involves and precipitates their death, moral (BW) and literal (CK), but since at the end they are reborn in those aspects that's when religious imagery comes in
Religious imagery is both used to convey how timeless these ideals behind the superheroes are, and to establish a dissonance between Clark by himself and clark as seen by others.
>>68697609
Religious imagery is also used to convey themes like redemption and rebirth.
>>68697609
Not bad. Do you attach any symbolic significance to Clark choosing to wield the spear himself at the end?
>>68698009
Aside from him redeeming himself I fail to see a deeper symbolism in it.
If you found any I'd like to know what it is.
>>68697609
Additionally, I'd say that all three characters are struggling with their own obsessions - Bruce with his vendetta against Clark, Lex with his envy of Clark, and Clark with his own guilt.
>>68697609
>>68698139
>>68698118
I'd say by taking up the spear, he's making a conscious decision to really embrace his role as a hero, wielding it simultaneously as Excalibur and Ahab's spear as he uses it to kill the representation of his own guilt as embodied in Doomsday.
>>68698251
Definitely. This is the one and only truly selfless and heroic decision he takes during the course of the movie, the harpoon he takes being his only weakness actually adds another dimension to what's happening, he's living up to his image.
I noticed another neat visual reference to the dissonance between ideal superman and actual superman in the shot when you have Supe's monument on the left, Superman on the right and doomsday in the middle, the framing makes Clark look minuscule in comparison to both.
>>68698251
To expand on that a bit, it's him choosing his world, a callback to his mountaintop reflections on his father. For me, it's only in that moment that he takes his next step toward becoming the Superman we know and love.
I have a feeling that in future films, we'll see him actively expanding on the final portion that's been absent in the films thus far - Superman as a public persona. He'll have to in order to combat his growing deification in the eyes of the people.
>>68698549
Nice catch!
>>68686757
I'd give it a 65%. Which is a D, failing in most universities
But RT scores aren't based on the average scores of the critics.
>>68698699
>65%
>D
What the fuck. What kind of dumb university do i go to then
>Start by saying the movie is shit
>end up preaching the gospel of Snyder
I-I've been converted
I see the light now4H cut when
>>68689142
It makes me look forward to fourth world stuff
I have no backbone, i would go Jewish for gal gadot
I fucking love Zack Snyder
>>68695089
It's very different from his other shit.
Don't go into it with expectations of any kind. Just watch for what it is and you'll enjoy it. I did.
>>68692703
>>68692503
>>68695089
If you go into it without expecting a brainless popcorn flick, there's a lot to digest. If you're just interested in raw spectacle, there's plenty of that, too, but don't go into it thinking it's going to give the subject matter light treatment. It's very much a movie that's targeted at fans of the characters.
Of all the depictions, Jesse's Lex is the most jarring for a comics fan, but it's pretty easy to see that this is just Lex affecting the image of a 21st Century tech mogul.
