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Remember when we used to call it "Global Warming"? haha we were so naive back then I can't believe people got so worked up about this kinda stuff.
>>68681192
Now we just call it "fucked"
>>68681192
Great thread
>ask one of my leftist friends why I, a recent college graduate white man should vote Democrat
>he stammers and brings up climate change
Lel
>call it global warming
>experience record lows
>"its fine, amerifats are dumb enough to still believe this propaganda"
Kek
Yeah I remember liking trash like pic related as well
On a related note when did you finally grow up and stop being a Liberal?
Me I was about 13
>there are people who don't want a global ice age
>>68681328
don't you know that global warming is the reason for isis anon?
>>68681192
At this point, it doesn't matter if you "believe" in global warming. Yeah, the deniers are more delusional, but the evangelist left just pats themselves on the back and doesn't have any actual solutions.
Ever notice how limpwristed these international agreements are? Because at this point, if you want to combat climate change, being 'carbon neutral' isn't enough, and we're not even close to achieving that. To actually reverse the process, we have to be carbon NEGATIVE, and to do that we literally have to cease almost all industry and wipe out large segments of the population on a scale that makes WWII look like a pillow fight. There ain't no way you can live anything approaching a normal life and be "green". Solar and wind is laughable, electric cars create huge amounts of pollution through lithium mining, and no one is willing to stand up for nuclear.
By now, anything we do is already beside the point. The boomers fucked us all, and we're just along for the ride now.
staunch conservative here, pro 2a, anti no-fault divorce, low taxes, minimal government etc. but even I will admit that we are destroying the planet's ecology at an alarming rate. Something like 50% of the world's phytoplankton has been wiped out in the last 60 years, our seas are getting dangerously overfished, aboreal masses are being cut down at a preposterous rate (admittedly replaced with pines)
environmentalism and liberalism need to be separated from each other, because its an issue that affects everyone
>>68681365
They exposed themselves pretty hard to me with Trayvon Martin. And instead of saying "alright we fucked up" they've doubled down and ramped up the propaganda and white guilt shit
Right wingers are really dumb.
And whats with the army of anime avatars who are racist and call everyone a cuck if they don't refer to Muslims as niggers?
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>>68681719
reminder that this is literally based off a lie that everyone knows is a lie
>>68681635
The problem is that conservatism is just a disguise for big business interests. They gussy up their self serving economic policies with "muh tradition" so they can get the votes of the common folk.
Are there any conspiracy theorists who reject germ theory?
>>68681857
>disguise for big business interests
this is the oldest myth in the book. there is no room out there with a bunch of white men smoking cigars plotting to expolit the common man. If anything left wing big government's play more into the hands of special interests than free market conservatives.
>>68681914
Outright rejection is probably very rare, but there's a lot of 'abuse' of the germ theory, using antibacterials and antibiotics willy nilly so the germs get stronger and stronger and resistant. Society is unwilling to bitch slap the moms and tell them to just let the kid's fever play out. At this rate, it's just a matter of time before a superbug arises.
>>68682010
There ARE rooms full of rich men trying to manipulate the populace, it's just that Trump has shown they're rather limited in their effectiveness.
>>68682122
That's not what I want.
I preferred the four humours and astrology theories.
Germ theory is like midi-chlorians but in real life.
>>68682010
>there is no room out there with a bunch of white men smoking cigars plotting to expolit the common man.
This.
They are Jews, not Whites.
>>68681613
>pollution through lithium mining,
please expand
>>68682340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17xh_VRrnMU
>TFW Americans still don't believe in climate change, dooming the rest of the world because of how retarded they are
The Brits should have left the new world alone.
>>68682448
Eh, the vikings or the chinese would've done it anyway.
>>68681192
>climate scientists issue warning about CFCs and the ozone layer
>world responds, problem is solved
>same scientists issue warning about CO2 and climate change
>americans drag their feet and say Big Science is making it all up
why is this allowed?
>>68681635
>but even I will admit that we are destroying the planet's ecology at an alarming rate
This. People get caught up on the phrase "warming" and ignore the reality of human impact on Earth. Even if temperatures don't rise, air and water are constantly being polluted. The threat of air and drinking water one day becoming toxic doesn't seem to phase anyone, and thats terrifying. Just look at how "minor" an issue water poisoning from fracking is to most people. This happens in America and nothing has really been done to address it nationwide
>>68681613
>To actually reverse the process, we have to be carbon NEGATIVE, and to do that we literally have to cease almost all industry and wipe out large segments of the population on a scale that makes WWII look like a pillow fight.
LOL, no. our carbon capture technology is good enough that we only need ~20 GW of non-hydrocarbon based power to remediate everything we put out. That sounds like alot, but spread out over the globe its fucking nothing. At current solar and wind prices, it would cost less than 2$ billion.
The issue isn't whether or not we could fix things, its having all the countries get on board with a singular program and the collective will to deliberately build climate changing infrastructure.
If all the climate scientists are right, then whoever controls the carbon has effectively invented a weather machine.
>>68681192
Remember when we used to call it "Global Warming"?
> The hole in the Ozone layer that they don't talk about anymore.....
>Acid rain that they don't talk about anymore...
Go on anon.
>>68681613
You can't solve global shithole, anon. At this point in life even Dicaprio just accepted the next generation's next generation is fucked. Just be glad you won't be there.
Also
>doing things when you can choose to do nothing
>>68682830
What a bunch of shit, ~55 GW of solar alone is projected to be installed this year. The whole problem could be solved with less than $2 billion? GTFO.
And that's without the reality that 1. Stated solar capacities and actual power generation figures are usually wildly off (see Ivanpah) and 2. Creating solar panels ain't exactly environmentally friendly either, and they're not a source of reliable continuous power.
>carbon capture technology is good enough
kek. Don't embarrass yourself. There's absolutely nothing good enough about any sector of technology in the energy field.
>>68681192
Daily reminder that The Day After Tomorrow was a REAL movie that ACTUALLY HAPPENED
>>68681328
Do you make more than $250,000 per year?
>>68683016
>>68682700
changing the propellants of aresol cans is far easier than making people abandon cheap reliable energy sources.
>>68681393
I thought it was because they didnt have jobs or no money for them programs
I don't understand this thread. Is everyone here thinking global warming is a lie? or is everyone being ironic? I don't understand OP or the subsequent posts. Send help.
>>68683163
DiCrapio isn't a real environmentalist, he's just along for the memes and babes. The car he sponsored, the Fisker Karma, was a heavy, dull, crude, flashy trinket that all fell apart in the end, just like his acting.
>>68682448
Americans actually try and do something about the environment. Go bitch at the Chinese for eating endangered species and lying about their pollution or India for dumping bodies in rivers. but nope lets ignore them and just blame the US instead of actually doing something.
>>68681613
The way you end pollution is by making coal plants, and internal combustion cars obsolete. Selling a couple of teslas to a few liberal millionaires isnt going to do shit.
>>68683314
It's a little bit of everything
>>68683314
What I'm getting is that climate change is a lie, but if it is true than we can't do anything about it anyway and shouldn't bother
>Try to warn people about global warming
>"How can there be global warming there is snow on my lawn"
>Ok fine we'll call it "climate change" instead
>"But the climate is aaaaaalways changing lol!"
Fuck it, we had our chance.
>>68681635
SERIOUSLY Al Gore has done greivious harm to the enviorment by making being enviromentally responsible a political issue. Not to mention that he's a giant hypocrite to boot.
>>68683314
Not really, most are not against admitting the climate is changing, it's the draconian policies that follow that spooks people. Like most people would probably be fine with some measure of gun control, but there's a rabid side that wants to get rid of all guns permanently so they're not willing to give up an inch.
Unfortunately, on the environmental issue (and it's not just climate), draconian policies are the only ones that'll have any sort of effect anymore. But try telling people that they can't eat any fish for a few years, can't drive, have to be under energy quotas, etc...people just won't accept it. It's really not a left vs right issue, as much as people want to paint it that way.
THE SKY IS FALLING!
THE SKY IS FALLING!
THE SKY IS FALLING!
the idea that evil republicans driving SUVs is going to turn the world into the day after tomorrow is silly. Of course we have and impact on the environment and simply with naturally advancing to cleaner more efficient energy and transportation like we have been doing for centuries already.
>>68683403
Make an electric car faggot, and see how much CO2 you have to use.
Until fusion and hydrogen infrastructures build up, all this wind, solar, clean coal nonsense is just transitional noise.
>>68683529
>he's too young to remember the political polarization around kyoto
>>68682773
The wakeup call for me was living in China for work. Its indescribeable how bad it is over there
>if you believe in global warming and climate change you're a LIBERAL
i fucking hate americans, dumb cunts
Also, we call it climate change instead of global warming nowadays because the earth warming is not the only consequence and problem
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>>68683430
>what I'm getting is that climate change is a lie
How can you still believe is a lie when even your president is raising awareness of its effects?
>>68683709
yep, I was only a couple of months old then
>>68683757
NOT MUH PRESIDENT
>>68683190
shut the fuck up you ignorant toddler. the US Navy developed a carbon capture method because they wanted to make jet fuel at sea. turns out its shit for making jet fuel, but the actual carbon extraction is great. its ~7MJ/kg CO2.
That number 2 billion and 20 GW is padded as fuck too, would probably cost less. maybe you should actually stay abreast of energy technology and not just parrot memes.
>>68681192
epin copypasta I made and keep posting in these threads because you dumb faggots can never come up with answers that aren't "hurr just google it m8 like a lot of scientists agree but never published their methodology or anything, they just agree so appeal to authority":
Prove it is:
A: happening (which I don't doubt).
B: can be directly linked to human actions like burning fossil fuels
C: post specifics, how the parts the humans are doing is actually significant. Like what percent is our fault.
D: post specifics, about just how fast "climate is changing" since "global warming" is no longer the meme term. I want real statistics like "we are getting X warmer every year and I will have to worry about it in Y years becuase Z happened and is devastating"
E: post specifics, about just why I should give two fucks if hipsters faggots have to move their shitty cities 2 miles inland while I pay for retarded infrastructure that would probably cost more
F: if all of that is all real and shit, why I would care if it's as tragic as the lefty faggots think, when they're all just destroying our countries and children's futures with mass immigration of mudslimes and taconiggers and increased socialism to support these subhumans
G: Explain how wind turbines that are complete and utter shit, cost more fossil fuels to build and transport and assemble and shit than they save over their liftime and only work in wind, but not too much wind so you have to use tradition power sources anyway, how solar isn't complete shit that get ruined by dust, only works during the day, without clouds or fog or any retard with an umbrella is within 20 miles
H: Explain why we should be pouring billions of my taxpayer money into this when it is proven the private sector is many times more efficient than any government grant program or research fund. If a company makes and patents the next big innovation in energy, they will quite literally become one of the biggest companies in existence
>>68681719
>>68681851
What about Gardner? I don't see how you watch that video of a po literally killing a person in broad daylight and don't get your jimmies rustled
>>68683757
wow i didnt realize bear girls was black
>>68681192
Remember when Al Gore said the world would end in a decade and then nothing happened? Remember when rush limbaugh made a countdown clock that lasted a decade to coincide with Gore's purposed apocolypse and yet, when it ended, no one in the media or even Gore himself had the balls to comment?
Manmade Climate Change is a myth made to fuck over certain people and shape the economy.
>>68683314
> 2016
> not realizing shitposting has devolved into hypernhilistic self parody to the point that no one means anything
I blame the jews.
>>68683799
Bush was hated on the left (and most of Europe) for withdrawing from the talks on the Kyoto Protocols. It was a big political issue before 9/11 changed the national dialogue.
Also, there was a whole freak out about the Ozone layer and aerosol cans before that.
Climate change hysteria ain't anything new.
>>68683990
So you don't believe man can have any affect on the world? That pouring chemicals into the air and water isn't bad and won't become irreversibly so in the future?
>>68683990
i honestly can't tell if you people are trolling or not anymore
fucking poe's law
>>68681192
>MUH EARTH IS MELTING
few years later
>MUH CLIMATES CHANGING
this meme needs to die, oh no the climates changing its not like this shit naturally happens.
>the vikings used to write about watching glaciers crumble and then reform
just another way to get people to look at something stupid while the real important shit slides under them. like a magician
>see one hand while the other hand moves
>>68681192
I can't believe there are people that actually think Global Warming is a hoax. I mean you guys remind me of the lead apologist back in the 80's that argue over the death corpse of their mothers that lead was "natural" and a lot of bullshit with a straight face and defend their position to not be influenced by the money they got from the private sector that combat over 30 years lead regulations.
People that don't have a basic understating of science shouldn't be allow to vote or hold a public job,
So /v/, what are you doing to help cure the world?
Me? instead of driving everywhere I walk or use a bycicle whenever possible(so everyday), even for hour long travels.
Nothing else because I don't care that much, but I'm sure you green guys care more about it. So, what do you do?
>>68684129
Do you really need to? Stupid is stupid and should be universally ignored. Leave fuck ups to die in solitude.
>>68683892
garner was legit but that doesn't make all cops racist monsters
>>68683990
Ethanol is a criminal conspiracy
>>68684230
Squid swarms in almost every ocean is not fucking natural.
>>68684324
Fair enough. Natural selection: it works!
>>68684097
Did I say pollution, dunce? I completely agree with environmentalism but man-made climate change was a liberal scare tactic. We're undoubtedly fucking over our environment but that's separate from allegedly fucking over the climate. It's basically a ruse to weaken the US and create the false need for green industries in order for democrat shills to invest and profit, just like Nancy Pelosi's husband.
Climate change is real but not because of anything we're doing.
>>68684129
Dead serious.
>>68684129
>doesn't agree with your view
>must be trolling
I will be dead before any real consequences of global warming happens. Fuck the earth.
>>68684368
the earth balances itself. if squid swarms become predominant than the ocean will balance itself by having more predators that feed on squid. this has happened time and time again. just because certain species die out does not mean its the end of the world. more squids equal more squid eaters, and the world will turn the way it has for millenia.and you wont matter to it
>>68684301
Biggest thing you can do is stop flying as often. It would blow your mind how much energy is expended on a trans atlantic flight.
>>68683838
>don't parrot memes
>parrots memes
lol, if it's so cheap to solve a decades long issue, let's hear your plan. We could find $2 billion just off sidewalk coins.
also, expecting the salvation of clean energy to come from the US Navy...fucking kek
>>68684301
All I do is refuse to take more plastic bags than necessary at the store, and refuse to let my mother buy paper plates and cups because she's too lazy to wash them. I live in the suburbs, too far to walk or bikeI never learned to ride a bike anyway
>>68684400
>>68684414
>I know more than people who dedicate their entire lives to a specific area of study
Okay.
>>68684494
you better learn how to ride a bike in case of the habbening
>>68681353
>murican education
>>68684301
I stopped eating meat.
Not even for hippy reasons. I just lost my taste for meat.
>>68684537
>Intensely politicized people that rely on models proven to be false again and again
Reminder that increased amounts of CO2 increase plant growth.
>>68684230
It must feel pretty swell to think you've got it all figured out while blatantly being in denial about what's going on.
>>68684722
It must feel pretty swell to think you've got it all figured out while blatantly being in denial about what's going on.
>>68682286
It's called Bilderberg and it's a mix of black and white, Jew and gentile, male and female. Some aren't even all that rich, they're just in a position to be influential (ie. media/politics).
The super-elite aren't as racially prejudiced as most think, because they're not affected by ghetto culture, the "patriarchy," religious biases... All that matters is preserving the economic status quo, consolidating and centralising power, and keeping the world as ignorant and divided against itself as possible.
There are other connected groups, movements and secret societies that are heavily bigoted. Zionism is against gentiles, most masonic lodges are segregated by gender etc. If you're useful/related to the elites, your race/gender is largely irrelevant and they'll find a place for you (the Prince lodge caters to black males for example).
If you're their enemy, being a white male won't save you, and they won't bail someone out of a jam based on skin colour or gender.
>99% of climatologists agree that manmade change is happening
If 99% of doctors told you that you had a disease, would you argue with them?
>>68684649
>models that are false
>because they're off by 0.2 degrees C
>plants have increased growth in presence of CO2
Whoa nigger where did you get your Ph.D? Did you also know that CO2 is an excellent at trapping heat? Do you know there are plenty of ways of dealing with CO2 but the cost of doing it, as for right now, currently out ways the benefits?
I'm so glad your knowledge of plant physiology and growth models clearly show the climate change isn't real.
>>68684751
You know, I'm actually interested to see your arguments as to why it's a hoax. It's usually easily disproven bullshit, but maybe this time it will be different.
>>68681192
Bitch. I remember when I used to call that movie "Global Warming"
>>68684494
>I never learned to ride a bike anyway
what!
>>68684894
The models have proven to be wrong time and time again, and not to minor degrees like you're claiming. Keep sucking jew-cock and believing the shills, I guess.
>>68684301
Stop eating cows
There, problem solved. Shit meatsource anyway.
>>68684722
>you know how the earth works
>apparently our limited minds understand how and ENTIRE PLANET works
the earth has been doing this shit forever. itll adapt
>>68685034
Actually, it's more like kill all the livestock, that alone is more than a quarter of methane emissions.
>>68684894
>Did you also know that CO2 is an excellent at trapping heat?
Oh, so that's why we're having record lows? Fucking leftist-niggers, I swear to God. Do you not see the fault in your own logic?
>>68681192
>mfw amerifats fell for the global warming meme
rofl, most gullible fucking idiots ever
>>68685162
Fucking kek. You didnt go to school did you?
>murican education
>>68685034
>Stop eating cows
Cows only emit carbon that is in the environment already. They eat plants that take in CO2, emit methane and CO2, and while Methane is a potent greenhouse gas, it then reacts to form CO2 after a number of years. So by all means, stop eating cows, there are serious environmental effects created by the way we dispose of their waste.
But don't think to yourself that you have solved global warming, not when there are still power plants and vehicles that are releasing carbon that has been trapped underground for billions of years, and that we have no idea how to sequester again.
>>68685156
Yes, exactly.
I have never understood the obsession with cows. Fish, chicken,pigs are much better.
>>68681192
>An Inconvenient Truth
Typical libtard speak. There's nothing 'inconvenient' about truth, it's the solutions that are so fucking inconvenient that none of these preachers has actually adopted or advocated for them.
>>68684474
>lol, if it's so cheap to solve a decades long issue, let's hear your plan.
did you not read my post? its not a matter of implementation. back when "global warming" first became a thing, a bunch of engineers figured out that you could cool off the planet by doing global atmospheric injections. good thing we didn't because our understanding of the phenomena was incomplete.
before we go and start draining our atmosphere of CO2 by the gigaton, we have to make absolutely sure we aren't going to fuck shit up any further, AND we have to sort out the political details of creating a first of its kind global climate infrastructure.
thats the real struggle. the hardware to get it done is pretty straightforward.
>>68684892
scientists used to also believe in spontaneous generation. consensus=/=truth
>>68682367
You can recycle lithium, and while it is more cheaper to just replace it nowadays it is still a viable option
>>68681241
Fucking this.
>>68685087
>the earth has been doing this shit forever. itll adapt
That's a trend, not a hard and fast rule. How much are you willing to stake on the idea that the current Earth's life can adapt quickly enough to survive the rapid reverting of CO2 levels to where they were 15 million years ago?
>>68685255
>But don't think to yourself that you have solved global warming,
Well shit didnt even argue so. But stopping eating meat is the easiest way for anyone.
>>68685399
and it was completely debunked during 19th century together with bloodletting, doctors also started to realized hygiene was pretty important
>>68684977
Grew up in a hilly neighborhood on a mountain of a driveway and always had bad balance as a kid. I can probably do it if I try but its embarrassing to be an adult and struggle at it
>>68683840
Looks like none of the believers can disprove this guy huh?
>>68683892
Would those same officers have choked a middle-class black man they found committing a crime? BLM acts like those cops were like "Wowee, finally a chance to kill a nig!" When really, while race may have been a factor, he was also a fat, poor dude selling cigarettes to other impoverished people in a shit area of NYC.
>>68681241
Riiiight...
>>68681719
you mean the other guy? because I'm increasingly sure Zimmerman killed that kid for no good reason (although it may have been simple paranoia more than racism)
>>68685156
>that alone is more than a quarter of methane emissions
Of what total of methane emissions? You mean of a result of human activity?
>>68685560
>>68683840
do you want me to write an essay or create a compilation of all the papers related to global warming?
>>68685371
>literally nothing: the post
I'm not the guy you're responding to, but you've given absolutely nothing concrete in any way.
>2016
>still buying into the fully debunked global warming scam
no one is ACTUALLY this stupid right?
>>68685785
Who debunked it?
>>68685750
I mean, if you want me to take global warming seriously, yes. Back up any claims you might be making with facts.
>>68683314
all I know is what I learned in college: anyone who so much as mentions a "global climate" is a shitter, no matter what they believe
>>68685499
I can't, its too delicious. I only eat cowmeat in special occasions though.
>>68681613
This is the real "inconvenient truth". No one actually has a solution that anyone is willing to implement.
When nuclear energy was discovered, Einstein explained the potential to FDR and we had atomic bombs within 3 years of the first chain reaction.
When JFK wanted to go to the Moon, NASA designed the Saturn V within a couple years and got there before the end of the 60s.
Manhattan and Apollo were enormously expensive, continental efforts, but they were feasible and achievable because there was a good understanding of the problems and solid plans to overcome them. Neither is true of the climate problem.
Everything else is just noise.
>>68685399
I'd like to see a source that there was consensus on that.
>some foreigners want to enforce policies on the US
how about you build up an army and come make us lmao
Lots of niggers in here that don't regularly watch telivision, just films. Natgeo is love.
There have been doomsayers for literally all of human history and they've literally always been wrong.
>>68685752
whats to explain? you literally just have a machine that you plug in and it extracts CO2.
>>68686078
Here are some links:
http://pastebin.com/cMgi7VwM
>H: Explain why we should be pouring billions of my taxpayer money into this when it is proven the private sector is many times more efficient than any government grant program or research fund. If a company makes and patents the next big innovation in energy, they will quite literally become one of the biggest companies in existence
Letting the private sector research fusion power unsupervised can yield some pretty scary results, we didn't outsource the manhattan project
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER
Hope this helps a bit
>>68686570
Also, we are pretty close to solving the fusion problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendelstein_7-X
>>68685615
My impression has been that both of them acted like morons, both of them acted more aggressive than they needed to (Trayvon acting like a punk, George acting like a paranoid), either one of them could have backed off but neither did, and either one could have died. But since Trayvon died and George lived, it's MUH SKITTLES.
>Conservatives: if you don't agree with our policies you're probably a terrorist and want to blow up a bus or something
>liberals: if you don't agree with our policies you want to literally kill seven billion people and wipe out all life on the planet
Man, they really took fear mongering to an entire new level.
>>68686419
Humanity will survive an ice age, or an Interestellar future. This has nothing to do with doom. But the fact you think this is some nostradamus shit speaks volumes of your ignorance on the subject.
>>68686889
*tip*
>>68686570
>links to links to government funded papers where a bunch of scientists just sign off on them, thereby appealing to authority
>then citing wikipedia
Na, you can try again, faggot.
>More than 100 world leaders have been meeting in Paris since late last month to try to forge some sort of accord to limit emissions and the use of fossil fuels. Although the world as a whole is deeply worried about climate change, Americans are largely unconcerned with the issue.
>Schwarzenegger has spent the past week in Paris with current California Gov. Jerry Brown (D), and the two have been speaking about ongoing dysfunction that has kept the U.S. from dealing with climate change. California has been suffering from a massive drought, the likes of which has been made worse by the warming planet.
What gives? Referring to the first paragraph.
>>68681365
16.
I think it's good for kids to grow up as a liberal and gradually into more conservative values.
It means they were raised by pretty good parents and then they got to experience the horrible fucking shitshow of real life and take a good hard look at their own life and begin making adjustments.
It's healthy and is a good way of teaching real introspection. It's what makes you finally an adult.
>>68687221
Because there's nothing the average Joe can do. We're relying on big companies and corporations to make the changes.
>>68689948
"If you are not a liberal at 25, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative at 35 you have no brain."
- Winston Churchill
This is why I take it relatively easy on SJWs. I can see my retarded teenage self in them.
>>68686452
A different, DIFFERENT cunt here.
You could link a peer-reviewed or at least reliable source/article explaining the basics of "a machine that you plug in and it extracts CO2"
I'd read that shit.
>>68687066
>links to links to government funded papers where a bunch of scientists just sign off on them, thereby appealing to authority
>government funded
>"oh not those papers, other ones, that fit restrictions I didn't state beforehand"
>being this much of a fake Scotsman
>just sign off on them
>implying they didn't read what they were signing
>implying they didn't think about it
>implying every climate scientist is just greedy
actually what the fuck are you even implying there?
>appealing to authority
>implying there any climate scientists on this board, let alone 4chan
>implying anything we bring up supporting or opposing climate change isn't going to be repeating what someone with more authority said
>>then citing wikipedia
>not taking the content into account
he was giving a convenient link to a project that's working towards renewable energy
if you want to be a dick about it here's their site https://www.iter.org/
>>68683375
this. US has laws involving proper disposal of electronics and TV goods. gets shipped to china, it's burned en masse and the smoke floats back to wherever.
It's a two way street but China gives zero fucks. Well, okay. They're starting to care about car emissions due to Beijing's air. Whee.
>>68691958
Beijing's a bit of a special case because it's surrounded on 3 sides by mountains and the wind blows all the pollution in. Kinda like Washington DC, it was never meant to be a real city, just an administrative district.
>>68691950
>being this much of a fake Scotsman
You wanna rephrase that and get back to me?
>implying they didn't read what they were signing
This is exactly what is happening. "Hey sign here and you get to be on a major scientific paper!"
>appealing to authority
Yes, this happens. It is a legitimate logical fallacy.
>that shitty link
Yeah how could I possibly question such a trustworthy site!?
>>68681365
17 or 18
>>68693661
>You wanna rephrase that and get back to me?
No True Scotsman
You asked for links, you were given links, and you said "no, real links".
>This is exactly what is happening. "Hey sign here and you get to be on a major scientific paper!"
For all of them, really? For what, 80%? You're pulling stuff out of your ass, and you're not getting at the relevant thing which the people that actually wrote these things.
>>68693661
>>appealing to authority
>Yes, this happens. It is a legitimate logical fallacy.
I'm not saying it's not real, I'm saying it's a bullshit fallacy to level at anyone here about climate change because no one here is a climate scientist (although I bet you would say it even if someone was, just that they're appealing to their own wrongly-placed authority, or you'd say it's confirmation bias, or some other fallacy you can attempt to fit to almost any argument). We can only look at what's been said and done by those who are more trained in the field and have actually studied the data and the models.
>>68693661
oh and the site
What are you saying, ITER isn't real? It's not a fusion reactor? This has been reported on for years.
>>68684461
while true, evolution is slow as fuck
look at the effect of emerald ash bores
>>68681192
>The religious right is anti-science omg no sane person could be so stupid to vote for Republicans they're so gullible.
>Vote for Obama and he will command the ocean to retreat from the land which is made for you and me!
This fucking thread
Remember when they used to talk about the planet Venus and say Earth could be like that if we weren't careful and caused a "runaway greenhouse" effect?
Then someone actually did the math and found out that even if all the CO2 on the fucking planet was released into the atmosphere it still wouldn't cause a runaway greenhouse effect.
An entire generation of kids was terrorized with that shit. "Oh no, kids! Be careful or you might turn Earth into HELL."
>>68698665
It should say:
>What if it's a big hoax and we ruin our economy for nothing?
>>68698665
Jesus fuck, this. What is the downside to trying to make earth cleaner? It's not like cutting down on carbon emissions will hurt anything. Unless you think no climate change = perfectly harmless then
>>68698665
>energy independence
fracking
>preserve rainforests
sure you go tell Brazilian farmers to starve and the nation stay poor
>sustainability
fracking
>green jobs
racist
>livable cities
racist
>renewables
trees grow back
>clean water, air
poo in the loo
>healthy children
whom we shall terrorize with nightmares about how they can destroy the earth by accident… little kids… well done.
>>68698665
What does that picture have to do with cutting carbon emissions?
>>68684129
Limbaugh did make a doomsday clock based on Gore's calculations, and then it expired and nothing really happened. So Gore was way off at the very least and should return that Nobel Prize.
>>68687221
>Grow up in Cali
>Every other year we have a "massive unprecedented drought"
>About 10 years ago, the massive unprecedented droughts were blamed on global warming
>About 5 years ago, the massive unprecedented droughts were blamed on climate change
wewlad it's fun to live in Cali.
>>68699116
no one wants to ruin the economy you fuckwit
if you think they're going to do it accidentally how about you lay out your reasoning, especially if you're going to call other posts bait
>>68699180
>>energy independence
>fracking
I like not having to buy bottled water to drink and bathe with, thank you.
>>preserve rainforests
>sure you go tell Brazilian farmers to starve and the nation stay poor
implying the libertarians don't want to do that to every country (and by extension also the republicans that want to absorb the libertarians)
>>sustainability
>fracking
Do you know what sustainability means? Natural gas won't last forever.
>>green jobs
>racist
>>livable cities
>racist
What are you even talking about?
>>renewables
>trees grow back
Trees don't give us plastic. (Other plants can be made into plastics. We should be pursuing this more.)
>>clean water, air
>poo in the loo
There are different kinds and levels of clean.
>>healthy children
>whom we shall terrorize with nightmares about how they can destroy the earth by accident… little kids… well done.
No one wants them to be scared, let alone terrorized.
>>68698665
The rainforest is an overgrown heap of human negligence, cancer and toxins. It needs replaced by human regulated preserves and farmland. It needed it 200 years ago.
