Was Childs infected?
They both were, that's why they didn't kill each other.
There is more evidence that backs up Childs being infected than there is evidence backing up MacReady being infected
>>68157170
Obviously Childs was infected. He was mission for quite some time and then drank gasoline without flinching.
There's a bit of ambiguity to it but the writing is on the wall.
The Thing was a metaphor for the insidious nature of Jews. The camp parallels Auschwitz.
>>68157348
There's no evidence for either.
>>68157565
There's plenty for both, but more for Childs
You can't know who's infected. That's the point.
>>68157170
they were both infected. the Thing was just amusing itself pretending to be them while waiting to freeze
>>68157170
Reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH3VeUiud7c
>>68157588
which would be?
Is there a more comfy soundtrack than this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meU2gAU7Xss
>>68157170
Why does /tv/ have such a hard-on for this movie?
>>68157715
no females shitlord.
>>68157715
It's the cozy feeling for being in the middle of nowhere in the arctic with a small number of people completely closed off with the rest of society.
>>68157715
Found the woman
>>68157653
Just wait for the inevitable argument to happen in this thread.
One bit is Childs' breath not showing in the cold, unlike Mac's. Then there's speculation that Childs is drinking gasoline from one of the molotov cocktails.
Is this /tv/s number one film? What challenges it?
>>68157842
>so delusional he thinks a man is literally incapable of hating The Thing
>>68157635
nice
Although not knowing the original form of "the thing" was (imo) part of the appealing of the beast.
>>68157170
Any hint about this in the last movie? I haven't seen it after the terrible reception.
>>68157865
this kind of shit is so reaching, it's more the outcome of poor continuity than any real intention.
>>68157865
This is idiotic because if either were true, Mac would've shot him immediately.
>>68157899
Heat but The Thing wins
>>68157715
pure kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3dfqTSQePQ
>>68157715
It's a perfect movie.
There are absolutely no structural imperfections and it lends itself to endless repeat viewings and analysis.
>>68157170
Childs was absolutely infected. His breath isn't fogging like Macready's, indicating his body temperature is much lower, and he drinks gasoline from the molotov cocktail Mac hands him.
If you look closely too, Mac has his flamethrower hidden to the side of him. The implication being that just after the credits rolled he probably blasted the Childs-thing and then froze to death himself.
>>68158003
bullets don't have an effect on the thing silly
>>68157899
master and commander
>>68157967
If you dislike this movie you have objectively shit taste
>>68158002
The real "intention" is for an open ending. There are intentional clues in there to point this way or that. But I suppose you think you know what the true ending is
>>68158032
>he drinks gasoline
speculation
>>68157899
Robocop and Terminator 1 are both up there, but The Thing wins.
>>68158032
He does not drink gasoline but whisky, Mac is shown drinking from the bottle before childs comes into frame.
>>68158080
The true ending is we don't know and there are no clues given.
>>68157899
maybe trainspotting just because ive never seen criticism of either on here, it would be impossible to choose between the two for me
>>68158060
Fuck, I forgot about that. I think that, Starship Troopers and The Thing might be the trifecta.
>>68158082
The only bottles Mac had on him prior to that scene were molotov cocktails. It's not really speculation.
>>68157715
It's a great fucking movie.
>>68157865
I haven't seen it in a while, but doesn't Mac also take a drink out of the bottle?
>>68158003
>shooting the Thing
Also Mac might be thinking "fuck it" after attempting to kill the fucker for the fifth time. He might just be having a bit of fun before either the Thing eats him or he freezes to death
>>68157715
It's the best horror movie ever.
>>68157899
Conan the Barbarian
>>68158169
>>68158105
You can pretend to drink from bottles, you know.
>>68158176
regardless the thing wins, we know the thing is still alive and that freezing does not kill it. So Mac dies either way and the thing will ambush the rescue party.
>>68158169
I think he just hands it to Childs, and when he sees Childs reaction he laughs
>>68158060
And lotr
https://youtu.be/8dmWAve3Pvk?t=7m53s
>>68158234
Why would he sit by himself alone pretending to drink a bottle? he was not aware of childs when he was drinking.
>>68158231
what is best in life anon?
>>68158129
Thanks for reaffirming my point
>>68158275
Fucking your latina maid, watching her run before you, and hear the lamentations of your wife!
>>68158274
This, I thought he was just drinking, and Childs shows up.
>>68158223
pretty much
>>68157170
Oh shit it's a Thing thread.
>Kurt Russell and John carpenter still haven't recorded audio commentary for escape from la and Elvis
>>68158323
I think Mac just found a kind of dark humour in sharing a last drink with an alien pretending to be a human.
>>68158032
>there are absolutely no structural imperfections and it lends itself to endless repeat viewings and analysis
You've clearly never studied critical theory if you think the movie lends itself to endless repeat viewings. It's a fucking slasher. It starts out with a number of characters and subtracts from them one by one until there are only two. No one learns anything along the way, no one grows, we learn nothing of anyone's family, their ambitions or passions. There is nothing beautiful onscreen. Just gratuity and an outdated, synthetic soundtrack. There is no such thing as a perfect film, but if you think this movie is perfect, then you really are a moron.
>>68158333
>John Carpenter will never make another movie
is there a more horrifying creature that can be imagined than if the the thing assimilated the fly? i cant think of anything worse
>>68158236
The thing I like best about the ending with an infected Childs is that the way Mac talks to him makes it look like he knows Childs is the Thing, and it's an opportunity for him to have a face-to-face talk between the protag and the antagonist. Kinda like De Niro and Paccino in Heat.
Its like they've reached a stalemate and are just chilling for a bit. Maybe Mac's gonna get up later and attempt to burn the fucker but for now they're just two people talking
>>68158409
you are a fucking retard cuck idiot and i hope you die in a fire
>Dog lovers
should have just put him with the rest of the mutts
>>68158029
whenever i talk to girls i laugh to myself because i feel like i must look like bennings in these scene
>>68158409
You're wrong. It doesnt have any of that because it doesnt need it. The viewer can assume that the scientists knew very little about the other characters, which only elevates the distrust that they feel. Their families or ambitions or passions dont matter, what does matter is the tension, atmosphere, the threat, and the distrust. Just because its a slasher film doesnt mean it cant be a perfect slasher film
>>68158427
facehugger + Brundlefly + Thing assimilation
>>68158427
If Miller came back with an action blockbuster shot in location in one of the harshest places on Earth, why can't Carpenter?
>>68158528
Meant for>>68158424
>>68158493
This doggo was the best actor of the 80s
>>68158409
>Ennio Morricone
>Outdated and synthetic
So tell us, o enlightened one, when each character is infected?
>>68158527
jesus fucking christ youre right
>>68158409
>No one learns anything along the way, no one grows, we learn nothing of anyone's family, their ambitions or passions.
Completely unnecessary for the story being told. Probably would have made the film worse. Gravity, for example, was made much worse by adding in unneccesary and cliched "character development."
>There is nothing beautiful onscreen
Just plain wrong. The cinematography is GOAT
>outdated, synthetic soundtrack
Shit taste. The soundtrack is GOAT and perfectly fitting for the tone of the film.
The film lends to multiple viewings as you try to figure out exactly who becomes a Thing and when, and exactly how the Thing progresses through the group and plots against them. It definitely warrants at least one repeat viewing after you know who becomes a Thing so you can try to notice differences in the characters before and after becoming a Thing.
>>68158428
In the commentary they confirm that Mac has a flamethrower under his coat. Childs drinking it without hesitation means he doesn't fear infection and could be the Thing. Presumably MacReady roasts him after the credits.
>uses scotch to destroy the computer when it has his king cornered
>uses scotch to trick the thing when their game is conceivably over
What did he mean by this
>>68158587
That the Thing is a cheating bitch and deserved what it got
It's poetry
>>68158578
So what happens if a facehugger attaches itself to a human-thing copy?
>>68158528
are you thinking of him doing a more modern reboot of escape from ny or the thing, like miller? or a new action blockbuster?Id be fine with either as long as carpenter directs
>tfw the board isn't just capeshit
One of the few movies I can rewatch endlessly. So comfy.
I thought it was pretty obvious he was, even Carpenter confirmed it. Their group had met the same fate the Norwegians did, and there was nothing they could do to stop the thing.
>>68158409
The film is far from perfect, but your analysis/synopsis is grossly reductive. Criticizing a hooror piece with the same criteria one might bring to a family melodrama is the definition of obtuse. The Thing, in fact, does horror very, very well.
Also the notion that a musical score can become "outdated" lacks historical context and is fundamentally nonsensical.
>
>>68158651
Maybe some more sci-fi horror, or yeah another escape from with amazing effects, and I'm talking about Carpenter directing
>>68158572
>>68158581
>The film lends to multiple viewings as you try to figure out exactly who becomes a Thing and when
Why should I give the slightest shit as to who becomes a Thing and when? Do you realize how asainine that sounds? Why should I care when I don't know anything about the characters, when literally all of them are characterized by their paranoia towards one another? That does not a compelling drama make. I don't give a shit about gory visuals, I don't give a shit about the vintage synth score, I don't give a shit about what you see as "GOATness". If there aren't interesting characters, I don't like the movie.
in the comic neither were infected
>>68157170
yes.
>>68157531
Nah it's a metaphor for Butfucking Faggots spreading With Aids infecting others think about a group of older guys on the middle of Nowhere
>>68158644
oh god, maybe the thing would accept it, and then create a horribly fucked up, even worse chestburster, then assimilate a fully grown xenomorph, then become a xeno-thing
I'm curious as to what The Thing does once it has control over all life on the planet. I like to think it forms continent sized bio mass of consciousness to develop space craft and continually launch spores across the cosmos.
I wouldn't mind a sequel of the last humans fighting a bio-skynet and going no holds bar with the flesh horror
>>68158562
that fucking dog's performance is better and more creepy than 90% of human actors in horror movies
Any viable arguments saying Mac was the Thing?
>>68158736
>>>/r/eddit
Is that way. Go there and get back to fellating Pulp Fiction.
>>68158733
that would be fantastic, an escape remake is coming though, i dont believe carpenter will be involved sadly
>>68158666
This and LOTR threads are goat
How exactly does assimilation work?
If the thing was able to speak through childs then wouldn't it recognize that gasoline was poisonous to drink?
>>68158736
The characters are all very well-drawn in the beginning of the film, before they realize the Thing is among them. They way each react to the situation is interesting. The implications of the Thing are both interesting and terrifying. Do people even realize they're Thing? Can an alien perfectly replicate human emotion and behavior? Does the Thing even have a central consciousness or does each individual cell have an individual consciousness? What does it mean to be human if the Thing can perfectly replicate or maintain human consciousness? Not to mention the metaphorical representation of cold war paranoia and human "us vs them" mentality. It sounds like you're just actively trying to dislike the movie and intentionally ignoring any deeper meaning the film might have.
>>68158169
He was about to drink it but then childs showed up
That proves that there was alcohol in the bottle
It doesn't matter. The Thing won from the start. They were all doomed. The incident before was a foreshadowing.
I think at this point the pair were just enjoying the last moment together before the Schrödinger situation is resolved either way.
Maybe they were just trying to learn a little more about the alien itself before meeting their fates.
>>68158848
>a thing
>not THE thing
you sassy bitch
>>68158904
You knoe what needs a sequel?
A real spiritual successor to the Escape From... movies.
>>68158802
>near apocalyptic movie about a desperate group of humans fighting bio skynet
sounds fucking rad
>>68158736
wow dude calm down. i thought everybody likes to figure shit out but i guess this is how c students are born :/
>>68158826
Yeah just thinking about it gives me the chills the dogs soulless observing the crew and infecting them
>>68158979
maybe he says a thing because there's more than one. Maybe they're both the thing
>>68158736
Well the characters were interesting as well as what they did with just practical effects so you can go back now
>>68158848
>tweet at one of the best directors of all of cinema
>use anything but perfect spelling and punctuation
insolent fucking jerk
>>68158944
just because it can look sound and act like humans doesnt mean it knows what is fatal to humans
>>68159058
or neither are since everyone is a thing. He kept it completely ambiguous... unless you consider his endorsements of the video game canon- which I cannot abide
>>68158802
i want this so bad
>>68159134
If it can replicate every cell perfectly, I would assume it would have the memories of whoever its replicating. Since humans know what's fatal to humans, I assume the Thing also knows.
>>68158999
I havent seen this, but after glancing at its wiki page i think that is a mistake
>>68158736
the characters are extremely realistic in their reactions to the situation and the actors have good chemistry with each other. they are as good as characters in a horror film can possibly be. adding extra characterization, growth, backstory, etc. to them would just drag the movie down with irrelevant bloat
>>68159186
I think it would probably have important memories of a specific human in order to replicate personality but not all of the knowledge its ever had. How many times a day do you think not to drink gasoline?
>>68158736
>A bloo bloo why isn't there le AW HELL NAW black man and token female that was raped back story soooo uninteresting
>pop gun
did this guy get his shit pushed in?
>>68158951
Do you like It Follows?
>>68159222
It's great. It's seriously a B-movie, but Luc Besson was involved and Guy Pearce buffed up makes a surprisingly fantastic 80's-style action hero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mobGrUVGj2E
>>68157993
thats not the original version of the thing, its just an alien species that it assimilated
>>68158944
I just assume that they are human, until something triggers them to not be human anymore. (External threat, internal threat from dying, the need to spread)
It's probably not aware it isn't anything other than what it is.
>>68159360
It's alright. Overrated but definitely better than the vast majority of modern horror movies.
fucking norwegians
>>68159369
holy shit, i think i definitely need to see this
>tfw no shack to go up to and get drunk in
>>68158409
>Critical theory
That's where I stopped reading your gay shit
>>68158802
this is always something I've pondered and wished to see in some form.
The Apocalyptic last days of all life post-contact with the Thing would make most end of world scenarios seem like a fucking cake walk in comparison.
>>68159561
Has anyone seen The Thing (2011)? is it decent? is it trash? I would love more thing and will probably watch it even if it sucks
The whole "can't see Childs' breath" theory I've seen is so dumb. You actually CAN see it some shots with different lighting, plus Benningsthing definitely has breath.
If a Thing can die from heart failure it needs to breathe as well, at least in human form.
>>68159666
average remake/reboot
6/10 at most
>>68159411
It become aware of its surrounding as it grows larger, that's why the blood test was so effective in determining who was the thing
The infected human thing isn't going to transform when it gets its blood taken out of it since it's not exactly a threat
The blood that is extracted, however is essentially a different thing, and isn't aware that reacting to the fire will cause everyone to try and kill it. It's also why the human thing doesn't transform until everyone else knows that it's infected
>>68159689
It wants to freeze. Your breath fogs because you're hotter than your surroundings. If Childs' breath is fogging less than Mac's or not at all, it's because his body temperature is abnormally low.
>>68159666
It's decent but not good.
>>68159689
>The whole "can't see Childs' breath" theory I've seen is so dumb. You actually CAN see it some shots with different lighting
it's just a result of film making/continuity. People really look to far into some shit that is left open ended.
>>68159666
It's decent, tho the horrible cgi really drags it down, especially knowing that they got rid of some of the most amazing practical effects ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBzpT7VmSaU
>>68157715
Great practical effects, tight story, enough mystery...
It's a damn good movie, that's why /tv/ loves it.
>>68159689
It's utter nonsense and people making a mountain of nothing.
I file it away with the likes of The Shining analyses of people with too much time on their hands and not enough brains.
>>68159814
did they really replace all of that for the final film? thats a damn shame
>>68159916
audiences and studios are dumb
>>68159757
The point is, his breath does fog as normal.
Obviously nowadays you could CG that out. If the point was his breath was invisible they fucked it up.
You can still draw the conclusion he's a Thing anyway. He disappeared for like 10 minutes and shows up unharmed.
>>68159916
they got rid of most of it. pretty much the only thing they kept was the ice block thing and the Juliet thing.
Apparently the studio wanting to replace the practical stuff with cgi because "it looked to 80s"
why are studio heads such braindead fucking retards
>>68159757
I think someone who worked on the movie confirmed that the breath thing was purely because of the lightning and not intended to a clue as to who is the thing. You can however ask yourself why Childs would accept a drink from someone who could be infected? The cocky laugh from Mac after Childs takes a sip suggests he knows that Childs is infected, and in the script he has flamethrower beneath his blanket ready fire away.
Childs having an earring at the end of the Thing has significance if The Thing 2011 is regarded which it probably shouldn't be.
>>68159947
>If the point was his breath was invisible they fucked it up
which is perfectly likely.
>>68159995
and im dumb enough to want to get into this braindead industry. fuck.
>>68159883
>>68159798
I feel the same way about Gasoline the bottle thing too. The chemicals in gasoline will naturally trigger a human gag reflex and make you hurl. If the Thing is indeed a perfect copy, even down so far as to copy a heart defect, it would still gag drinking gasoline.
The ending is already ambiguous and with Childs disappearing suddenly it already casts him in doubt
>>68159666
Eh its not completely awful but it isn't very good either.
It's biggest problem is that the film doesn't have any interesting scenes that effectively utilize the creature. Its a by the numbers monster film.
>Creature bursts out of a person,
>chases characters around the base for a bit
>gets dispatched by flamethrower
>rinse repeat a few times till credits roll
There is nothing as tense as the blood test scene or as shocking as the defib moment.
Just a mediocre creature film in every way.
>>68159666
The thing is kino
2011 is a movie at best
>>68160211
the scene with the fillings was a decent attempt at replicating the blood sample scene. No where near as good but an attempt was made.
And you're spot on about the behavior of the Thing in it, instead of hiding and biding it's time to strike at the most opportune time, it just goes full horror movie monster, stomping around and gnashing it's teeth at every turn.
>>68157865
Where the fuck was Childs during all of this? He ran off and probably got assimilated like the fucking idiot he was.
We were watching MacReady the entire time.
>>68157635
that whole thing got made and never mad...?
>>68157899
Alien
>>68160740
this may be the only horror film to rival the thing. scif fi/horror is best horror and best sci fi
>>68157170
They were both infected. Neither of them knew it though.
>>68160545
He ran off because he got assimilated. The whole scene where it shows him watching the door, then a few minutes later it shows the door he was standing by, but with the coats rearranged. He was attacked, changed coats, and left to act as a plan B if shit went down.
>>68157967
If you hate the Thing, then you aren't a man. Even if you have a penis. I don't make the rules, I just follow them as strictly as possible.
>>68157967
You might have a penis but if you don't like the thing then you're not a man.
I just learned that there's some deleted footage of stop motion animation of the final confrontation.
http://youtu.be/RQr92wSxjD8
>>68160482
I agree with your points. While Studio ADI's work being shitted all over with CGI is a crime, the movie was probably going to be over reliant on effects anyway.
I knew something was off as soon as they had that scene at Ramona Flowers lab. The tension of the original is helped in part by limiting the action completely to the most desolate lonely place on Earth
>>68158776
No, I think the thing would just assimilate it and destroy it, it's like a parasite trying to parasitize a parasite...
>>68157715
It has absolutely zero flaws.
NONE.
>>68159504
To be fair the Yanks didn't do much better.
>>68160815
People not knowing they are the thing was only in the 2011 version
Blaire was building the spaceship in his human form for fucks sake
>>68161028
even if it thats how it would work, i would love to see the thing burst out of a xenomorph, which is still a likely oucome
>>68158736
You are clearly a thing monster as you can't seem to grasp that watching humans try and survive a monster that is trying to kill them and can mimic others is trapped with them, and how this would be interesting.
>>68161040
It's too slow imo
>>68161094
he couldve been infected the whole time though, the possibility helps make this movie incredible
>>68161129
Nah, that's just you.
>>68161094
I'm saying that they both knew they were the thing but they didn't know that the OTHER one was also the thing.
>>68161173
How is it me?
>>68161129
>not appreciating the atmospheric world building and tension creation
fucking pleb
>>68157170
how do you pronounce childs?
>>68161128
>tfw anyone on the internet could be the thing
>>68161197
You got a slow brain, ain't nobody's fault but mummy and daddy.
>>68161240
Like "My child's birthday is coming up soon and the little fucker ain't getting shit."
>>68161300
lol thanks man
>>68157715
Because, after having viewed it throughout the years, multiple times, it is, without a doubt, one of the few literal 10/10s ever made.
It is pretty much a flawless film and one of the best in the genre(s) it is in. Period.
If the thing can assimilate any kind of biomass doesn't that mean any native bacteria in that norwegian camp is infected?
Any organism that comes into contact with said bacteria can become infected, or if there were birds that fed on the charred corpses that still had cellular activity could potentially become infected (if thing cells can survive digestion...which is never proved one way or another)...all it would take is one bird, and then it flies back to the colony, or flies out to sea infects a fish, and then the thing is in the water.
I think the thing would take over no water where it became trapped on earth.
>>68161258
Greetings fellow human, please direct me to the nearest large gathering of biomass.
>>68161431
I think the problem with infecting bacteria is that in the arctic there's just not a lot of biomass around when it comes to germs. A bird would definitely be an issue though.
>>68157899
Apocalypse Now
>>68157899
The Thing is the one film that 99% of /tv/ agrees is incredible.
I have very rarely heard any real criticism of the film that wasn't obvious bait or trolling.
It is certainly one of the most universally-love films on this board.
>What challenges it?
Starship Troopers
The Lord of the Rings Trilogy
The Empire Strikes Back
Raiders of the Lost Ark
There Will Be Blood
Dr. StrangeloveKung Pow: Enter the Fist
All films that, again, have very few legitimate criticisms on here except for trolling or baiting purposes.Ok, I might be joking with that last one.
>>68157715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv_XaPp-XIY
![1982 - The Thing.mkv_snapshot_00.15.41_[2016.04.11_22.02.56].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4ZoRqaF.jpg "1982 - The Thing.mkv_snapshot_00.15.41_[2016.04.11_22.02.56].jpg")
>>68158826
>>68158562
He had creepy stares and stuff, but it wasn't until listening to the commentary that I realized how good he was.
The shot 15 minutes in where he walks in, slowly checks one room, keeps walking forward without looking at the camera and then finally pauses in front of the room with everyone before entering.
Made me start noticing more and more animals looking at the camera in other stuff
>>68161537
>It is also possible to find algae associated with rocks or living in the thin film of melted water in the snow patches.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_microorganism
>>68161669
I mean sure but what's it going to do? Survive for a hundred thousand years? Nobody gives a fuck about that scenario. The real threat is if it can reach society before it collapses and humanity goes extinct. Not after.
>>68157468
The gasoline theory is interesting but I'm pretty sure the thing would know the difference if it had fully transformed into Childs.
>>68157588
Well the only time we lose track of Macready is when he notices the light on in the shack and then they cut to him breaking into the storeroom.
>>68161584
What about this piece on friendship and honor?
Also
>Implying there's even a single bad thing about kung pow
>>68157170
The first thing we see Macready do is pour whisky into the chess game at the start of the film, 'killing' it in spite of its apparent victory. His last action in the film is to share whisky with Childs. the implication is obvious, Mac toasts himself and childs after credits roll
>>68162308
that's not bad actually
>>68161998
To me that's one thing about the movie I've always really liked. The Antarctic is just as hostile and barren to us as it is to The Thing. It's stuck in the same shitty situation the humans are.
>>68157715
one of the reasons I feel /tv/ can talk endlessly about The Thing is because its a rare example of a horror film that understands the importance of ambiguity and mystery in its concepts and plot.
Not every plot thread is neatly tied up,
Many important moments do not take place on screen deliberately to build tension and paranoia,
We never gain an intricate understanding of assimilation beyond a very basic level,
The creature's origin and intent is also shrouded in mystery
And the ending is perfectly ambiguous and as hopeless as it needed to be to secure this film film among the all time greats of horror.
>>68162342
For anyone that's interested here's a site with pictures from what the film location looked like in 2003. These guys found part of the helicopter blade from the blown up Norwegian copter:
http://www.outpost31.com/todd/stewart.htm
Imagine how ducky it would be to be the alien race that the thing extinguished before the movie
>Survive for weeks if not months
>finally find some aliens who aren't infected
>somehow build a spaceship despite the circumstances to escape the planet
>some fucker was infected
>>68162611
I always imagined the aliens in the spaceship had found the thing on some other planet and then got infected before crashing. It's pretty cool to imagine all the possibilities for how it ended up crashing on Earth.
>>68161584
So true. These are some of the best threads /tv/ has these days. Any shitposters quickly get bored and leave so there's plenty of actual discussion.
>>68162446
This
Every damn movie now feels like it has to neatly wrap up every little detail so the mouth breathing dimbulbs in the audience will tell their mouth breathing friends to go see it.
The Thing is great in that it doesn't tell you everything about the alien or show you everything that happens to every damn character. What DID happen to Fuchs? How DID the thing get to Blair? What happened to Nauls? You can guess and conjecture forever.
That's why I hated Prometheus so much. It took all the great little mysteries of Alien and tried to explain them all away, while only making a huge convoluted mess that sucked all those mysteries out of it. Fuck Ridley and FUCK Lindelof.
>>68162699
This would really be the best idea.
Aliens capable of space travel crash land because they were attacked by an even greater cosmic horror, accidentally bringing our poor little backwater planet something so much more advanced than us.
>>68162699
I think its fair to say it was probably an accidental crash landing from some other race of alien destroyed by the thing.
Because if the thing was smart enough to build a space ship with the intention to come here and fuck earths shit up it would probably choose a better place to land than one of the areas with barely any lifeforms.
>>68162821
>>68162926
I think Carpenter's implication is this with the effects...the alien ship is listing badly from side to side coming in and it looks more like a crash landing than a controlled descent.
>>68162926
Here's an idea. What if the aliens purposely crashed into a frozen wasteland on top of everything because they knew that even if they crashed land on an alien planet in the middle of nowhere the thing would still eventually be able to build a ship and escape. They specifically probably choose the arctic to try to maximize the likelihood that it wouldn't escape.
>>68163085
If that were the case, why would they even decide to crash on a planet at all and not into the sun?
>>68163176
That would have been a pretty short movie. I get your logic though.
>>68163176
You could easily say that the ship was badly damaged and they had to crash onto earth but they still had enough power to control where they crash landed. Alternatively you could say they didn't have enough time to make it to our sun. Imagine a single alien at the bridge of the ship while the thing is breaking in through the walls and there's only a few moments before it takes over the last alien.
>>68163318
That sounds cool as shit
>>68163408
>yfw the thing makes it inside of the bridge but it's too late and the ship is already caught by the planets gravitational pull and there's no way to stop it and the thing and the alien have a moment where they're both waiting for what comes next just as Mac and Childs did.
It's like pottery. It rhymes.
Always see a commentary video mentioned for this and have yet to go through it. Anyone mind linking it?
What also helps make this movie GOAT is that the characters for the most part act completely reasonable. Most of their choices make sense and are logical in some way.
>>68161584
maybe robocop or terminator?
>>68163789
characters being competent is what makes a movie for me. sicario's operators scenes were goat
yes
he has an incurable case of the dindu nuffins and early onset poverty
>>68163789
Yeah. A large part of this is due to the setting enabling the characters to actually act reasonable. Making a horror movie where characters act reasonable is pretty hard in a modern setting because there's so many options that a person can do in any given scenario as long as they don't die very quickly. The thing completely side steps that problem by having the characters completely isolated from society.
It's also why Alien worked so well as a horror movie.
>>68163946
Add both to that list and it's golden.
>>68162168
This too and Heat.
>>68161497
Just go to a Furr-fag convention
>>68164216
This is bait.
>>68157715
you'll never understand, it's a guys movie
>>68157715
Don't worry your little head over it, Emily.
>>68163789
This is a really good point. Nobody is written as doing something astoundingly retarded or out of character simply because the screenwriter painted themselves into a corner or was too lazy to take a more considered approach to resolving conflict in the narrative.
I think what people don't get when /tv/ says a film like The Thing or Robocop is perfect is that we don't measure based on 'critical theory' and modern quasi-Marxist bullshit based on feelings. We measure based on a) what a film sets out to accomplish, b) how many of those things it accomplishes and c) how well they're accomplished.
The Thing gets perfect 10's across the board.
Childs didnt breathe, so he was the thing
>>68157170
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SppG-I_Dhxw
>>68165658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgRWMbGSUec&list=PLEfAIhk_4Z9JhguA4R8EPWY44Oep7L-9t
>>68158802
>We are the thing and that's why we try to build spaceships
The chapter of the film where MacCready returns to the camp alone with the flare is one of the most thrilling and original scenes ever written.
Countless other hacks would have made sure the audience knew he wasn't assimilated because he was muh protagonist and that they deserve to know what's going on.
Carpenter decided to fuck that noise and put us in a position where we could understand why the others are unable to trust him.
>>68163789
Rob Ager has a very good video about the characters in The Thing. They're a very underrated aspect of the film but are all well done.
>>68165726
>>68165658
The real question here guys is what did you think of this autists idea for a third movie? I sort of like the premise. It'd be hard to pull off but I think that it could be pretty great.
>>68157967
Wait, are you implying it's possible for a man to hate The Thing? I don't...I...whaats... haappenning to meeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HIgZ8kGUT8&list=PLEfAIhk_4Z9JhguA4R8EPWY44Oep7L-9t&index=3
>>68158802
There's something sad about the fact that such a great idea is pretty obvious and just waiting around to be done but won't. Instead we'll see shit like unfriended.
>>68159369
yeah this was actually a pretty entertaining movie.
>>68165917
I think it's a very good premise, actually. I don't like the idea of the Thing ever talking, though. Keep it alien; don't let it speak.
Otherwise his premise follows logically and believably from the first film, sets up some potential for great scenes, and also has the possibility of having some really great allegory related to the Cold War, War on Terror, Disease, and such.
>>68165994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFauBXQkoT4&index=4&list=PLEfAIhk_4Z9JhguA4R8EPWY44Oep7L-9t
>>68158802
The thing was its weaknesses as well as its strengths (what makes the movie so thrilling is how their survival is a plausible outcome, unlike your average teen slasher)
Its susceptibility to fire would make it very easy to defeat in any postindustrial society. The thing likely considers itself john mcclaine type underdog in that outpost
>>68159369
The movie itself isn't good, but Snow is a fucking 11/10 action hero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj_UfbrNB-I
>>68158323
The yhing i think people are forgetting is that the thing doesnt partake in drugs. When it assimilates the stoner it stops smoking weed
>>68163318
why would they land at all? space is barren.
>>68166442
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiMqd_53ATE
>>68166547
Because in about 10 seconds the thing would have full control over every sentient thing on the ship and then fly to their home planet and destroy their entire species.
It's literally the same logic Macgready used in the movie that their best hope is to try to keep the thing isolated. Letting the thing have control over a space ship is the alien equivalent of allowing the thing to take a helicopter and peace the fuck out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdDwrY5KpvI&nohtml5=False
>>68165658
Only thing that isn't properly established is whether The Thing would WANT outside communication / escape options or not.
Destroying the radios could be interpreted that he didn't want anyone being warned about it, but then it could have been a human character destroying it so The Thing couldn't call more potential victims to them.
Same deal with the vehicles being destroyed, a human character could have destroyed them so the Thing couldn't escape to more victims which forced The Thing to build his own transport.
>>68157170
He didnt breathe for the entire scene. You dont see his breath so yes, he was infected.
>>68158333
Lol you're talking about Escape from L.A...the unnecessary and bad sequel to New York 1997. There's a reason why they wouldn't comment on that.
>>68157170
Macready was breathing visually at the end. Childs was not. The small little breaths Childs was taking was the Thing observing Mac and imitating.
>>68158409
>It's a fucking slasher.
You sir, are clearly the moron. I really hope you're just baiting.
>>68167140
I took it from Blair's ranting that he hadn't been assimilated by that point.
Instead he'd realised the true horror of what they were all up against and decided to take whatever steps necessary to keep it contained to the camp, including cutting all long-distance communication, destroying the helicopter and killing the remaining dogs.
>D'ya think that thing wanted to be an animal? No dogs make it a thousand miles through the cold! No, you don't understand! That thing wanted to be US!
His assimilation must have come later because it would be in the Thing's best interests to keep the helicopter and radios intact.
>>68163085
I always assumed that the alien ship crashed because whatever aliens were on board got fucked by the Thing. That was always scarier to me. It's not intelligent, it's just some terrifying virus-like organism. I thought the fact that it knew how to build a UFO was kind of dumb.
>>68167353
Not really, not if it simply absorbed that knowledge from assimilating the inhabitants of the crashed ship.
My impression of the Thing is that while it has a level of intelligence, it's not something we could understand or relate to. It doesn't feel emotions or have higher goals or aspirations, but it is extremely intelligent with regards to safeguarding its own existence and endgame of assimilating biological matter - hence it sowing distrust by planting Mac's clothes in the furnace, attempting to build an escape vehicle, etc. These are expressions of a virus-like survival instinct far more pronounced than humans are used to dealing with.
>>68165892
I can't find it so I might buy it off of him. thanks buddy.
>>68158428
Yeah Mac's personnality leads him to not give a fuck, even in this moment. He has just exploded the station and he knows there's nowhere else to run to.
Judging by the behaviour alone, Childs doesn't behave like Childs...even if he was suspicious of Mac, i think he'd be more threatening and asking questions too. You could say that it's because he's tired, cold and possibly feeling pretty lost and depressed after seeing everyone die...but there's something in his facial expression that is just too distant.
>>68163176
The Thing would have taken control of them before they completed the trip and set a new course, the plan was probably to deliberately fuck up the landing and burn the ship up in our atmosphere but it survived anyway.
>>68167708
BULL
FUCKING
SHIT
YOU
NIGGER
>>68167708
isn't the way the ship turns important?
>Lil Jon Carpenter's Da Thang (2016)
>"What u fear most... is among u #scaredaf #deepthoughts"
>Mac10Ready
>Nochilds
urban ghetto adaptation when?
>>68158409
>no one grows
Oh many people and animals grow. Just not in the way you think...
>>68157676
too comfy desu
