Terence Winter just got fired from Vinyl.
You probably don't care, but this is fucking huge. The show is a megabomb and Winter is the big guy behind it and other HBO shit.
He was the co-creator and showrunner btw.
Link: http://deadline.com/2016/04/vinyl-showrunner-terence-winter-exits-hbo-1201734449/
What kinda show u want,senpai?
Just like Boardwalk Empire, Vinyl was nowhere near as good as it should've been.
What?
I don't know how a show about rock in 1970s new york manages to be so goddamn boring
he's fucking shit and it's about time he got called on it
he was a good creative voice under someone else but he has no idea how to create a story in entirety by himself
nobodys care about rock music anymore
>>68024778
Anything can be boring
Havent watched it but pinning your show on that guy who put on a napoleon hat and is gayer than Travolta wasnt a good idea
>>68024696
The show is mediocre, its ratings are fucking terrible and HBO spent $100m on it.
The problem is that I don't think HBO can do anything to salvage it, so I don't see much point in doing this.
Boardwalk was also weak and boring as shit and nobody called him out on it.
>>68024463
whoa, kinda shocked. the ratings were dogshit but I thought they had confidence in him.
inb4 David Chase is brought in for season 2 to save them
After watching the trailer I had no desire to watch the show. Record company guys in the 70s did lots of drugs. Ok, I get it.
>the building is cracking and collapsing meaning the protagonist is having an epiphany.
Hmmm not bad, might be cool
>the building literally collapsed and the guy is the only survivor
Oh ok...
Period dramas have a habit of bombing, especially when they deal with modern history. I think HBO is in creative crisis and wanted their own Mad Men.
>>68024778
Fant4stic manage to make a superhero film boring. Anything is possible
>>68025114
You ignored the deep metaphor thatthe pilot had a fuckton of money and they were going to spend all of it on unnecessary cgi
>>68025163
Fuck, that was supposed to be a reply to >>68025107
Matthew Weiner would turn this show into pure tv kino
>Max Borinstein
wew
>>68024463
Just like Frank Darabont...
>>68024463
>>68025388
So are they gonna replace him with a David Chase level genius or a Glen Mazzara level hack?
Can't believe the plebs in this saying that are not appreciating Boardwalk, which is the greatest show of the decade so far.
Winter clearly wanted to do something different and was upset by the mostly unenthusiastic responses Boardwalks later seasons got. Now Vinyl bombed as well, way harder than Boardwalk ever did, and all I can hope for is that he wants to return to that show (BE) to finally fill out those years they skipped over in form of a spin-off.
HBO is seriously losing it.
>>68025450
Read the OP. He's been replaced by Scott Z. Burns, who is known as Soderbergh's screenwriter.
>>68025482
sorry for terrible grammar/structure etc; I tried to say twenty things in a few sentences there and failed mostly miserably
>>68025482
lol, HBO wanted out on Boardwalk, it was hugely expensive and had mediocre ratings. The fact Vinyl is doing even worse on a bigger budget is insane.
>>68024861
Fuck off normie
>>68025482
BE was pretty bad after 1 season
>>68024463
Dang. Oh well, I couldn't even watch past the first episode anyway. Felt like there was nothing in the show worth using time on.
>>68025516
I don't know how to feel about this. He's a decent writer but he has never been a showrunner before.
>>68025482
Boardwalk Empire was ruined by Michael Pitt. Seasons 1-2 had clear narrative and set up for Nucky vs Jimmy conflict, old vs new, brains vs brawn etc. but Pitt was so obnoxious on set that his character was killed off and show lost its narrative focus which eventually led to disastrous season 4 which led to show being cancelled
>>68025642
I'd take it as a hint that execs at HBO wanted a major change in direction and Burns was willing to take that on.
It's not a good sign that HBO waited until the show had aired before figuring out they had mediocrity and THEN responding to it.
I actually enjoy Vinyl. Get much better after the first episode.
>>68025388
That was such a shame AMC fucked him over. He had a decent show in the first season. It wasn't on the same level as the pilot but ti still showed potential.
Then they took his budget away and screwed him.
Also fuck that fatfcuk Robert Kirkman for getting involved. He should be like Stephen King and let his work stay slightly disconnected from his own visions. And now he's got two more shows being made. Fuck him.
>borenstein
>pilot
>have to show how decadent the 70s were
>have someone getting blown out in the open while protagonist climbs stairs.
Bravo Scorsese
Also this show is pretty boring and HBO were banking a lot on it. It's supposed to carry the sunday slot until Game of Thrones.
>>68024463
>Every character is uninteresting and unlikable
>Plot is just main character doing stupid shit to ruin his company
>"DUDE LOOK, IT'S THIS MUSICIAN!!" in every episode
>Random scenes with a literally-who actor awkwardly lip-syncing to a song
But Olivia Wilde does full frontal, so there's that.
I keep watching this show every week and I don't know why. I like the idea of it but the show itself is pretty bad.
>>68025926
I keep visiting this board every day and I don't know why. I like the idea of it but the board itself is pretty bad.
does Scorsese actually have any input past the first episode? they did the same thing here with boardwalk empire
>>68025890
I imagine HBO (and parent Warner) is panicking over their increasingly tiny show slate, especially when only GoT gets good ratings. It's all falling apart.
They must be happy they have Current Year Man right about now - middling ratings but a show that can run long-term for cheap.
>rock n roll drama
wow who could have anticipated it not being interesting? there is nothing shallower than the rock star myth.
>>68024463
I'm loving this show so far so this worries me greatly
Disney buying HBO when?
>>68025729
>this is what Jimmyfags actually believe
It was his time to go. Just accept it
>>68026642
Never. I can't see them letting go.
>>68025107
He wasn't the only survivor, retard
>>68024463
/tv/ called it years back. as soon as BWE's last season wrapped up. he didn't give a shit. fucker is an obvious burn-out.
>>68024792
this
>>68025114
>I think HBO is in creative crisis
>>68026315
>It's all falling apart.
these. brain drain. crisis is ongoing
>>68026696
Either way the show never recovered. BEfags bitch that HBO ruined the show by cancelling it "early", but they had 5 seasons to tell a coherent story and rarely seemed to have any goals for where it was going
>>68026315
Oliver's clips are always on the front page of Youtube and get millions of views right away, I think its pretty popular.
But yeah, HBO is a mess right now. Westworld is delayed, Lewis and Clark got canned/delayed, two shows made by David Fincher got cancelled. They seem to have eyes bigger then their budget for everything but this Vinyl shitshow, and get cold feet after announcing things
>>68024861
Vinyl is literally "Dad Rock: The Show".
People care about it, but it's the last generation, grandpa.
I personally LOVE vinyl. Only show on HBO I'm currently watching.
I don't get the hate, I think it's a great show with great characters. The story is moving along just fine. Is it the greatest show ever? No, but it's leaps and bounds better than shows like Carnival, and people on here act like that was one of the greatest shows ever.
>>68027023
>Dad Rock
I bet you listen to Kanye West and browse /r/lewronggeneration.
>>68024463
I wouldn't worry too much. I love Winter's writing but this isn't a case where the guy with the creative vision gets laid off. The show was Jagger's and Scorsese's idea, and as long as they're onboard I think it's gonna be fine.
>>68027122
The show is great and the critics will warm up to it. People are just jumping on a bandwagon.
>>68026315
their slate right now is a bit thin but for 2017 they've actually got too many things ordered. don't know how they're going to fit them all in with only 52 Sundays.
>>68025729
>actor is annoying everyone
>better kill off his character and ruin our own creative work
correct they had no choice
>>68027136
I love rock just as much as i love classical, pop, or jazz, but you have to admit shit like The Stones is 100% unfiltered dad rock.
Vinyl is basically Mick Jagger's dad rock fantasy wet dream life.
>>68027136
I bet you post youtube comments about being 13 and liking Kiss
Stop being so sensitive. This show IS dadrock in every definition. Its based on the hero worship of 70s era rock musicians and the culture. Dadrock doesn't mean it's inherently bad, but thats objectively the basis for Vinyl
>>68027189
To my knowledge Scorsese has little to do with it outside of the basic idea. Same with BE
>>68027377
Scorsese has said he's much more involved with this than he was with Boardwalk
>>68027362
the Stones are as overrated as it's possible to be while having a bunch of very good (albeit comically simple) songs. if they weren't LITERALLY STILL FUCKING TOURING then people wouldn't be any more nostalgic about them than the Kinks.
Where were you when David Simon saved HBO?
>>68027189
I'd agree with this
But i'm not expecting it to be the same though eithr
Does HBO have anything that gets good ratings anymore besides GoT ?
I love Leftovers but, that was lucky to get renewed for a third and last season.
>>68027362
Stuff like The Stones is but stuff like The Velvet Underground isn't.
>>68026696
Weak bait
>>68027290
They hoped that Nucky as gangster would be enough to hold the show afloat. Turned out they were wrong.
>>68027377
I hate YouTube comments and Kiss.
>>68027377
Scorsese is pretty heavily involved in this I've gathered from interviews. He's also said that he's gonna direct more episodes
>>68027456
>>68027362
dadrock is another word for "entry level"
Critics didn't respond well to an unlikabale white guy protag. HBO probably told Winter to change focus to the girl or the black guy for Season 2 but he balked and left.
>>68027455
>I love Leftovers
stopped reading right there
>>68027504
>Turned out they were wrong
No they weren't. The show kept getting praised by critics all the way through and the finale was great
>>68027562
Leftovers is great mate. Especially S2.
![not-fade-away[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Xx89BBc.jpg "not-fade-away[1].jpg")
>>68027529
Scorsese is old as fuck and isn't even a writer.
You know who would be perfect? David Chase, who was personally in a band in the 70s and made a movie about it. He'd probably ask for a million squillion dollars to do it, though.
>>68027558
>white guy protag
>>68027626
i know. but he's considered white to people apparently. doesn't make sense but there you go.
>>68027558
one of the problems with rock star stories is this totally unrealistic notion that the standard rock star character is psychologically interesting. Mick Jagger came up with the idea for this show, you say?
>>68027685
>he's considered white to people apparently.
Seriously?
>>68027122
This, what in the actual fuck is wrong with you cucks?
>>68027621
Scorsese co-wrote some of the movies he's directed. Such as Goodfellas, Casino and Mean Streets
>>68027585
>This is what Nuckyfags tell themselves in bed at night
>>68027741
Look up the metacritic scores, Jimmyfag.
>>68026662
you forgot to include the brink on the right :^)
>True Detective cancelled
>Westworld cancelled
>Utopia cancelled
>Leftovers ending
>Girls ending
JUST
>>68027823
there's s-still westworld, right?
>>68027439
>more DUDE 70S LMAO shit
>but this time with porn
Infantile cunts
>>68027741
Nucky was a superior character though. Not saying Jimmy wasn't great too. The show was full of good characters that all got to shine throughout the entire run.
The problem with Boardwalk Empire is there were very little highs with narrative or with characterization. It was atmosphere porn with excellent performances. Tons of style with little substance.
If Vinyl has that same issue, then its a huge fuck up no matter how you cut it.
HBO should've aired The Knick instead of it being shoveled to Cinemax. It was legitimately the best drama on TV two years in a row, it being on cinemax curbstomped its ratings in the nuts.
>>68027876
Why do you hate the 70's?
>>68027867
Yes and it's gonna be great.
>>68027867
It was only pushed back it's not officially cancelled but tbqh it's probably going to be.
>>68027796
Show had mediocre ratings after Jimmy's death and there is a reason for that. BE never recovered
>>68027902
>Tons of style with little substance
This is objectively wrong
>thinking people would give a shit about a dadrock show
>>68027926
Apparently there was some trouble in production though. They called filming off for two months since apparently they hadn't written the final episodes yet. Also there was some sort of protest with minor actors who didn't want to do the genital-to-genital touching included in their contracts.
I still have high hopes though.
>>68027948
it'll be out by the fall
yfw cinemax is the patrician's choice for premium cable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv1IhLyi4XE
>>68026662
the brink on the right when?
add ballers and silicon valley to the left
>>68027823
>True Detective
>cancelled
Stop this meme. HBO renewed it for a second and third season in the same deal.
>>68027823
>>Girls ending
I will buy HBO for a year when that happens
they should've made a show about an independent label in the late 80's early 90's, with everything that comes with it, heroin, ecstasy, etc
>>68027925
Anons are hating on Vinyl for being too much like Boogie Nights, but that show will litrally be Boogie Nights, and it's going to save HBO? It'll probably fail for the same reasons Vinyl is, let's be real here.
>>68027562
>Not liking the best show on TV atm
Pathetic.
>>68027823
honestly, the only one of these that upsets me is utopia, goddamn, that sounded so fucking great with fincher on board. He might have been able to get a Reznor soundtrack too
The show was a bomb because of the length, and lack of quality. There was not enough meat on its bones to hold it together. The murder in the first episode was ridiculous too.
Read Richard Hell's review: https://archive.is/8JYeZ
It is a gangster-like take on a small new york scene.
>>68028028
They didn't renew a third season but they didn't cancel it either. They have Pizza under contract until 2018, so they're giving him some time to write. If they like what he delivers they'll order it, if not they won't. They aren't going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
>>68028094
>lindelof
>best
pick 1
>>68027122
>image.jpg
>>68027876
Its David Simon. He could write a story about your ugly mother and her day to day boring life and I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
>>68027961
Compared to the best dramas HBO offered in the past, the characters were one dimensional as fuck. Jimmy's mom, Van Alden and Nucky's brother had the most mileage when it came to their own stories.
Margret was annoying as fuck, worse than Skylar. Mr no face was always a suicidal, sad spirited dude that wanted to suck a rifle barrel. Jimmy was a dumbass prick. Al Capone was a aggressive bro that somehow succeeded. Nucky was the same character until the last season.
>>68027960
The ratings where pretty much the same from the end of the first season and forward. And since when is ratings a good measure of a shows quality? Deadwood had mediocre ratings and so did The Wire. It's literally the same as arguing box office = quality. Most people these outside the US don't even watch the shows when they air anyway.
>>68028140
*picks both*
:^)
>>68025729
Yet Season 3 is the best season of the series
>>68028107
His greedy ass wanted 115 million for 1 season. Fat faggot does a 100 takes of every scene and drags out the shoot
>>68027439
>Porn Drama starring James "Errytang I Touch Turns into Failed Memes" Franco
>Capitol Hill Drama
>August 6, 2015 timestamp
Mixed feelings. On one hand it's Simon and politics. On the other, his attention is split between that and a Franco headliner.
It c-could be worse, right guys?
>>68028162
It would be just boring enough for plebs like you to pretend it's patrician.
>>68028168
>Nucky was the same character until the last season
Not at all. Look at the charismatic politician from the first season and compare him to the tired, more reclused Nucky of the later seasons and you'll see there's a difference
>could've had Rooney Mara as Jessica Hyde but Fincher demanded over $100 million for the budget
What the hell Fincher do you have a drug problem to feed or something?
Also recent news
>Lili Simmons (girl from Banshee) joins cast of Westworld and Westworld resumes production
>>68028231
>August 6, 2015 timestamp
how is this relevant?
>>68028288
It means both projects could have been cancelled between then and now. Longtime Simon sufferers know this apprehensive feel.
>>68028260
Even look at Season 3 Nucky and compare him with Season 4 then Season 5 Nucky. He developed with every season.
>>68028231
>James "Errytang I Touch Turns into Failed Memes" Franco
But the Raimi Spider-Man movies provided some very successful memes.
>>68027880
Nucky was a good character, but he was too boring and unsubtle to hold crime drama on his own. There was never a feeling that you want to know more about him, he was an open book from the get go. He really shined when there was actual threat on horizon, though and he could prove that he is the smartest one. Only in season 5 they made him somewhat interesting and it required heavy dosage of flashbacks to work.
>>68028353
The project is still in the works though
>>68028260
He was always charismatic, what changed is he became more honest himself and became more ruthless to a certain point.
Which meant he did more illegal and malicious shit rather than brokering deals with legitimate people. In the last season he openly expresses regret and questions if this is the life he wanted when he was growing old.
Seasons 1-4 were Nucky versus the monster of the season affairs.
>>68028353
Deuce ordered in August. Pilot shot in October. Ordered to Series in January. Starts shooting next month. Capitol Hill pilot starts shooting after the Deuce is done, Late Summer.
>>68028394
dodged two bullets then. provide a less dated screencap next time, as preprod is always a chaotic time for details. now you know.
>>68026662
Would have been better bait without entourage
>>68028470
not him btw, just it would've already been mentioned if Deuce got scrapped. The deadline link at the top of the thread even mentions the series
>>68028216
Season 3 was the most entertaining, but it was hardly the best
>>68028173
Nah m8 Season 4 sucked so much they had to cancel the show
>mfw I find a good thread on /tv/
>>68028509
Nothing beats fresh updates. If you only knew how many shot pilots Simon has that won't even see the light of torrents.
Season 3 of BE had Margret at her worst. People fucking hated her because of how weak of a character she became.
Season 2 was the best season, it found its groove, character storylines were paced well, and it ended on a strong ass note without going into Commando mode like Season 3's finale did.
>>68028533
>watched that episode last night
>instantly remember all the dank memes when the episode airs
>all the great threads every Sunday after Boardwalk
>the memes, oh god the memes
I think BE season 3 was the first time /tv/ utilized meme magic to great effect, without even realizing it
>>68024463
I've seen this show advertised and I don't really get who it was made for
>>68026662
>danny mcbride
>patrician
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
YOU JUST CAN'T
>>68028678
S3 BE was great. I got home from work at about 11 every sunday, then watched the show and TCM Silent Sundays after. 10/10 comfy
>>68026971
>Westworld is delayed
Westworld never even had a concrete premier date.
>>68028089
What if it hews to something of a cross between Wonderland and Sprang Breakers?
>>68024696
>>68025482
>>68025729
>>68026971
>>68027880
>>68027902
Official BE power ranking by season:
>2
>1 and 3
>POWER GAP
>4
>5
It was a great show that started losing its footing in season 4. Bobby Canavale and the whole Rosetti arc and Richard Harrow managed to save it from what I thought would be a post-Jimmy slump. 4th season had Narcisse who started out good but eventually it just wore thin. I didn't care about Sally either.
Stuhlbarg as Rothstein kept it interesting as always and I was keen to see where his arc with Margaret would go, but it was cut short.
The show was too expensive for its ratings and they wanted more money for CGI dragons and BAD PUSSY, so they ordered only 8 episodes for the 5th and final season. Writers truncated the fuck out of the story and did pretty well for the shitty hand they were dealt.
Nucky was rarely the most interesting character to me at any given time, but to say he never changed is bullshit. He was the politician cutting back room deals, then the full gangster, beleaguered and almost tapped out, came back strong and stayed in the shadows more, wanted to finally cash out, then got what he had coming to him.
Jimmy, Richard, Capone, Rothstein and van Alden were always better. Even Gillian. That scene in season 4 where she finds out she got trolled by the guy from Office Space was unreal.
All in all, to say it was 2nd rate and had no substance is a load of shit. History was seamlessly woven into the characterization and the writing was as strong as the performances most of the time, which says a lot.
Not the best show ever, but to say a rocky final 2 seasons, which weren't even bad themselves, undoes the perfection of the first 3 is an outright falsehood.
>>68026662
>entourage
>>68029323
5 was the second best season after S2. It's visually and narratively the best put together
What do HBO have at the moment?
At this rate GoT is going to end up running for 10 series, maybe they'll even up it to 15 episodes a series.
>>68029439
BWE season 5 is the Godfather part 2 of television. Literal perfection.
Fuck once Girls ends HBO will finally be devoid of anything genuinely creative.
DAVID CHASE SAVE US
>>68029498
Game of Thrones
The Night Of
Westworld
The Young Pope
The Leftovers
that's probably it in terms of drama for this year.
>>68026662
I'm speechless. You've just cucked me with that image.
Why don't HBO just take all the money they waste on everything else and funnel it into game of thrones?
>>68029439
>>68029522
These gentlemen get it.
Season 3 of Boardwalk suffered the fate of becoming a corny gangster show, the first two seasons actively avoided that fate.
>>68029568
Don't worry he'll make that show about early Hollywood eventually.
A lot of these "dark ambitious prestige dramas" that we're flooded with will bomb. TV's oversaturated with this shit.
>>68026662
switch entourage with newsroom and its pretty much perfect
>>68029922
What other dark prestige dramas currently are there? Is the Knick still going?
>>68029995
The Knick is kind of still going but not really. It might get more seasons, they're going to make some scripts and then consider moving forward butThackeray is dead no matter what.
>>68030034
they could do a spinoff show so they can have an excuse to move it to HBO
They should resurrect their adaptation of Utopia, with or without Fincher.
Can't wait for the dark mumblecore days of /tv/
Hope you enjoyed Girls & Love because more of their ilk are coming.I can't wait
>>68030303
They said they are still high on it and still want to make it with a new director. Plus they're working with Gillian Flynn on a new project so that's a good sign.
>>68030372
those days won't come to pass as long as /cape/ is here
>>68028107
>>68030303
Fuck you stupid assholes. Wanting a remake of a perfectly made show that's already in English less than a few years after the original. Fuck you.
>>68024463
Why is it huge?
BE was a bomb too ratings wise.
So HBO being dead is a pretty big deal right? It was arguably at the forefront of creative visions in popular culture for a long time. We are looking worse and worse each passing year culturally and artistically.
>>68030034
Soderbergh expressing interest in two more seasons is not "not really still going". I was fucking elated when I heard that.
>>68030620
the golden age has passed, they still put out a good season or two for some of their shows but nothing consistent
>>68024463
>it's a Bobby Cannavale can't stop saying "It's about Rock and Roll" episode
>>68030705
that is because they went sj
>>68030595
Not anything like Vinyl. Check out the ratings difference yourself.
>>68030705
That's exactly my point. I think with the death of HBO we can finally call the golden age of television officially over. Movies are also creatively bankrupt and in danger of collapsing under their own weight. It's hard to not think our descent into darkness and stupidity is picking up speed.
>>68030744
>less than a million
Oh wow
the show isn't anything new but it still should do better than that
>>68024696
It's just such a mediocre Scorcese clichefest. Same shit he has always, always done. Nobody cares anymore.
>>68029568
How the fuck is Girls original? It's just spoiled, shallow women acting like spoiled, shallow women. Male versions of that shit has been on television for decades.
>>68030842
there is still good television being made it's just not automatically on HBO now
now they have to compete with cable tier dramas being pitched to starz, fx, amc, showtime, netflix, sundance, etc as well as them and cinemax
>>68030949
Because it's about a niche demographic that most people aren't apart of grappling with situations and intense internal strife that once again most people wont get to feel in reality without any sense of grandeur entombed in it.
It's as close to living vicariously through a rich spoilt new york cunt as you can get without skinning one.
But once again you'll write off as you can't see the difference between people like that irl through your own point of view and seeing that life through the lens of empathy
>>68026662
If you were dedicated you'd put Six Feet and True Detective on the left.
>>68024463
>>68024514
>>68024595
>>68024696
REMINDER : The Walking Dead is the #1 show in all of TV (on both broadcast and cable)
http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/674775-walking-dead-ratings-close-the-season-as-the-1-show-on-tv#/slide/1
>>68030842
Death of HBO is an exaggeration. Go look at their lineup the year or so after The Sopranos went off the air and compare it to their current one. They're in good shape in terms of comedies, non scripted stuff and miniseries. It's just drama that they need to fix.
Thrones is still the most popular show on tv and a legitimate phenomenon worldwide. They have until that goes of the air in 2018 to get their act together.
>>68031025
We're never going to see one network dominate like HBO did in the early 2000's. Even if they fix their issues, there is just too much TV currently being made to be undisputed champ. A random network can stumble into a show that captures the zeitgeist. See USA with Mr. Robot.
>>68030620
>So HBO being dead is a pretty big deal right?
Game Of Thrones is the 2nd biggest show on TV in terms of viewership right behind 'The Walking Dead'
>>68031198
HBO can't survive on that alone though. They were a mature company thrown back into the fight again with networks like FX and Netflix starting to upstage them again.
>>68031255
>FX
Is this a joke?
>>68031025
The number of good television shows has dwindled significantly in the past few years. Network television no longer has any pretenses about attempting to be creative and the so called prestige networks are heading that way as well.
>>68031298
FX is number 1 right now. Fargo, The Americans, American Crime. That's like 3 of the top 6 dramas. And Taboo looks like it's going to be great as well
>>68031298
FX is hitting it out of the park right now. Their current drama lineup is far more impressive than HBO's.
>>68031197
yeah, all it takes is 2 or 3 semi-popular shows for a network to seemingly be producing the best content at any time
amc had the walking dead, mad men and breaking bad all going at once
then fx had justified, fargo, american horror story and smaller cult stuff like ray donovan and the bridge
and i've enjoyed some of the back catalog starz has been quietly churning out
>>68031144
I meant creatively. Even post Sopranos HBO had a fairly varied and inspired lineup. They might be in "good shape" financially in terms of comedies but I would argue that they've completely lost their edge in that department as well (the prime example of this being the cancellation of The Brink). Just like the rest of the television landscape, HBO has gone from an abundance of varied and creative riches to safe bets and attempted crowd pleasers.
>>68031369
>Fargo, The Americans, American Crime
Fargo S2 averaged less than 2 million viewers per episode
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fargo_(season_2)
The Americans averages less than 1 million viewers this season
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Americans_(season_4)
American Crime had okay ratings for a cable show for FX. But nothing on FX reaches the both the viewership & cultural revelance of both Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead.
>>68031540
I think that anon was talking about quality, not viewers. Season 1 of True Detective was the last time HBO had a great drama. FX is right now delivering better dramas.
>>68031197
They were dominating creatively though, which is a key distinction to make. Although ostensibly more networks are taking risks in actuality there aren't too many shows that have been better since HBO's line up in it's prime.
>>68031540
Don't forget about AHS
>>68031198
They are dead creatively if not financially, although the amount of largely publicized financial bungles the network has had leads me to believe there isn't too much of a cushion from Game of Thrones these days.
>>68031600
Quality is subjective. A lot of people think Game of Thrones and Vinyl are great dramas.
>>68025114
They could have had their own Mad Men if this show focused on the music business instead of shoehorning in the shitty mob/murder plotline
>>68031645
>They are dead creatively
Fuck you. Both The Leftovers and Vinyl are better than whatever shit other networks are putting out
>>68031727
Your mom is the only Leftovers anybody rates positively desu senpai.
>>68031369
>Fargo
Shat the the bed in season 2
>The Americans
Shit nobody cares about
>American Crime
Solid first season, but will inevitably become as shitty as AHS
>>68031727
The low bar of what other networks are putting out does not somehow make Leftovers and Vinyl anything other than terrible shows.
>>68029498
They still have VEEP but it gets low ratings because the jokes aren't spoonfed to the audience.
And Selena Meyer is a female protagonist done right for once.
>>68031871
>Shat the the bed in season 2
How so?
>>68031727
I like Vinyl but Fargo and Better Call Saul are vastly superior.
>>68028107
>I want a man known for his distinct over-use of dark blues greens greys filters in all his films to direct one of the most saturated, colorful television shows in the last decade.
:^)
Brilliant.
>>68032418
Aliums and forced connections to S1
>>68032463
Better Call Saul is a borefest desu
>>68032418
Not him but people complained there were too many subplots in season two. I liked how season one focused on Lester and Malvo but season two has all these crime families and cops and FBI agents to keep track of, as well as an alien subplot that weaves in and out.
>>68032528
The only forced connection that was bad for the show was the Injun one. Aliums were nice if you don't take it so seriously as the show itself wasn't very serious from the get go.
Hell Season 1 had the fucking Devil in it.
>>68025152
> implying superhero films aren't boring as fuck
>>68032563
It's far more entertaining than Vinyl.
>>68030659
Him being actively involved in the new pitch is very exciting news. I was entirely convinced S2 was as much as we'd get but now I'm fairly hopeful.
tfw you like Vinyl but keep forgetting when the new episodes come out
I am responsible for the low ratings
>>68033200
glad to see i'm not the only one. lol. i actually like the show but cannot watch it until midweek for job reasons. then again, i catch it on HBOGO, anyways. shame about Winter. i hope the switch rejuvenates the show but i don't really see how and i'm not entirely taken by the new showrunners. one was responsible for the Minority Report tv series? was that any good, anyone?
>>68032800
eh, apples and oranges, mate. i dig them both.
>>68024463
Sounds like HBO is turning into AMC, shitcanning those who won’t follow the party line and like AMC, it seems like the party line is to cut costs no matter how this cheapens the quality of show, despite HBO’s $2 BILLION in yearly profits…
I'm thinking the "creative differences" are due to HBO trying to do the series on the cheap and not pay the royalties for actual 1970s music, which I think hurts the show, as viewers expect to hear Led Zeppelin and other bands from the period, (as in other Scorsese movies) not faux 70s tunes by hired musicians so HBO can save a buck.
Sure is jewey to force out the guy who created the show, as I’m guessing that Mick Jagger and Scorsese came in afterward just to give it some weight and convince HBO to do the series.
But I’m particularly worried about Westworld getting fucked up and delayed, as I was looking forward to that show and I’d bet it’s because shekel-pinching HBO doesn’t want to pay for the SFX.
Also; more Juno Temple (and naked, please).
>>68024463
Terrence literally rushed Boardwalk for this! Fuck this hesitant cuck!
>>68033568
I watch True Detective and Fargo. Better Call Saul and Vinyl. I enjoy all of them, Vinyl probably the most, I think that though it hit a few stumbling blocks early on its gotten better with each episode. I also don't see the point in the autistic "take it or leave it" mentality when it comes to discussing movies or tv series here. Like its impossible for me to watch and enjoy BCS, Vinyl, Fargo, TD, I have to pick one and shit on the rest. What gives?
>>68026219
Pottery
>>68025637
i thought episode one was meh, every episode after that really picked up.
>>68033674
Pretty much what I was going to guess, except I haven't seen the show.
Music royalties eat a huge chunk of budgets, especially for tv shows. Just hearing the memer Dan Harmon in the episode commentaries of Community even gave a nod to how much money is required to satiate music label copyright/IP holders.
Also, how often has Juno Temple gotten naked on Vinyl?
>>68026662
>twf work in the horse racing business and many of my friends were on Luck....
Fucking stupid horse accidents got that shit cancelled
Vinyl is a solid show, it's when HBO puts out shit like Ballers and that Jack Black show you wonder what the fuck they're doing
>>68034065
yeah, i hear you. i enjoy all those as well, apart from the second season of TD, which i found underwhelming to say the least. i'm also a fan of The Affair, anything David Simon or David Milch related, and Banshee. haters can suck it.
>>68024696
Nah boardwalk was fucking phenomenal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjALixoA4wc
was worth it for the montage with this
>>68034749
>Also, how often has Juno Temple gotten naked on Vinyl?
Twice and once again this sunday.
>>68035055
The Jack Black one wasn't bad
>>68034964
man, i feel you. it was my favorite show as it aired. i love me some Milch and Dustin Hoffman was amazing in it. sucks it got canned so early.
Why does everything have to be big budget on-location shit with HBO?
why can't they just make a cheap green-screen series like Spartacus so it doesn't have to be cancelled after the first season if it doesn't get a billion viewers
I'm on episode 6, does it get better or should I stop? I don't want to be disappointed with a shit ending, at least theplot twist of Ernst being dead was cool i guess
I don't think the teens on this board realize how insane the music budgets on this show must be. Even with Mick Jagger and Marty Scorsese calling in favours.
>Pink Floyd
>The Beatles
>Bob Marley
>David Bowie
These are songs that cost at least 1$ million USD to license. It's staggering how much HBO must be spending
>>68024463
I haven't watched for a month and now this? Boardwalk Winter is out? Well fuck this show. I'll finish the season just to see what it prioritizes and if it's the murder and coke shit I'll drop it.
>>68024778
>Not enough explosions.
>>68026662
True Detective Season 1 is pleb tier, Season 2 is patrician
>>68027735
This board is 80% Star War + capeshit posts. They think magicians is the greatest show on right now. This board is not only worse than Reddit, it's youtube tier.
>>68035440
>They think magicians is the greatest show on right now
Hey don't forget about The 100 fag. And don't worry it's soon going to turn into /got/ central. And this time bookfag purists will be getting spoiled.
I will go to /lit/ every day and spoil shit for them.
>>68035660
>>68035440
Why do you people always do this? Go in a thread about a show you like but no one is watching and then complain about people watching other shows? It's pathetic.
>>68035405
Nice meme.
