all memes aside, can we agree that this is the best capeshit movie?
or at least the only decent thing that DC will ever produce?
Batman Begins was better.
Superman II is still my favorite, but Nolan's trilogy is second. Donner and Nolan are film makers, not hacks.
Marvel will never win an oscar for anything.
daredevil with ben affleck was.
fight me irl
...watchmen?
>>67986381
Definitely.
Batman was made to be more than just a guy swining his fists.
You had this hero inspiring a broken city and fighting against interesting and unique villains.
Great acting and personalities around. THe movie didn't even need to focus on the superhero aspect, it became better than that.
>>67986381
rewatching it, every actor except the ones in this poster, Oldman, Freeman, Cain and Eric Fucking Roberts are completely horrible.
>>67986606
mediocre adaptation of the source material
the movie felt pointless
The only capeshit to win multiple Oscars
How many has Marvel won?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqvbv-SB4bg
GOAT cold opening
Capeshit movies need more bank robberies. This and Spiderman 2 are the only ones I can think of
>>67986536
>Marvel will never win an oscar for anything.
pssh, the academy is so out of touch
http://whatculture.com/film/10-oscars-the-marvel-cinematic-universe-could-have-won-in-a-fair-world
>>67986381
I'm not suggesting everyone needs to be Kurosawa and film their action sequences with three cameras, but Nolan's action scenes are laughably bad
>>67986709
Who cares?
Spider-Man 2 is the GOAT
Then again, it's not Marvel.
>>67986656
Why does everyone seem to believe that adaptations have to be 1:1? This is folly.
/tv/ likes Enemy, but I bet half of them don't know it was based on a book, and it didn't have giant spiders in it.
>>67986381
Man of Steel and Watchmen are much better. This movie was only good because of Ledgers performance
>>67986381
easily, yes
>>67986994
>spider man 2 isn't marvel
>>67986994
>Why does everyone seem to believe that adaptations have to be 1:1?
Haha what? That's exactly Snyder's problem. He puts so much effort into 1:1 panel recreations that he completely forgoes pacing and effective story-telling. Removing the squid at the end was a positive step, but 90% of the movie felt so rushed along that he really couldn't save it.
In the age of trilogies, Watchmen might have worked. Not as a single movie though.
>>67986381
>>67986656
Watchmen was true art
>>67986994
SM1 and 2 are great comic book movies BUT
>>67986894
So none?
>>67987303
it isn't, what is your point?
>>67986381
I'd argue that TDK really is the best capeshit movie, followed by Begins, Watchmen and Spider-Man 2
>>67987326
Honestly
Why not hire an action movie director for this crap? It's really bad
>>67987326
That was TDKR, not TDK
>>67987312
>watching the theatrical cut
don't even talk to me senpai
Not even close op
>>67987472
The slapdash editing was the main problem
But the complete mischaracterization of Veidt wasn't too far behind
>>67987341
I read Wtachman and watched the extended long version and they were pretty damn close, except for the ending. I don't see how people say it was a mediocre adaption.
>>67987303
It's Sony.
>>67987312
I'm not even defending Snyder, and I fully agree he lacks good editing. My point is that everyone gets hung up on this notion that an adaptation has to embody everything about the source, taking cues from scenes that look and are framed well isn't a problem.
>>67987408
I used to think TDK was the best, but that overblown political commentary really kills its aging. Begins is really great, and nailed Gotham, the second most important character in Batman. You could ague the Joker is the runner-up, but I still think Gotham is more important. TDK and especially TDKR felt very bland.
Absolutely not. It's bad. Ledger's the only thing going for it. Clunky action, silly dialogue, BVS and most Marvel flicks are better.
>>67987471
Your point being? Nolan fails at fight scenes/most action scenes.
>>67987386
>>67987661
Yeah so post the failed TDK scenes, not the TDKR scenes.
DKR was better by a tiny margin
>>67986381
Ledger is GOAT, and I like the movie, but best capeshit is going to be BvS. In thirty years people are going to remember it and Snyder.
>>67987661
Are you autistic? Seriously, just tell the truth so we can know whether or not to respond.
>>67987584
When I read watchmen as a teen I didn't like that squid ending Anyway
>>67987326
why does the goon closest to the camera go down?
>>67987683
Not the studio though
>>67986381
No. Superman the Movie was better.
>>67987724
>>67987760
Lol cmon, Nolandrone. Your favorite capeshit is still capeSHIT.
>>67987683
they didn't make it senpai
>>67986650
pleb
>>67987326
What's funny is Nolanites make fun of Keaton barely able to move in Batman yet Keaton's movements have faster snaps in the fights. You look at this shit and it's like Shatner fighting the lizardman.
>>67987804
This
It still hasn't been topped
Now that capeshit will only be quipfest it never will
Batfleck's solo movie MIGHT equal it but we shall see
>>67987587
>TDK and especially TDKR felt very bland.
>TDK is bland
I agree with the TDKR part but I'd never say TDK was bland. I think it had a whole lot of characterisation and a great feel to it in general. it just felt like it didn't do anything wrong which is really rare with capeshit movies. same goes for batman begins in my eyes. those two and spider-man 2 are just maximum comfiness
begins truly nailed gotham, it's aesthetic is goat-tier
>>67987326
Looking back TDK was not that great. I mostly liked it because Ledger was awesome and it was filmed it Chicago and I hung out ob half the streets in the film. The Jokers plan was really stupid though.
>>67987683
>Being this fucking dumb
kek
>all memes aside
well meme'd
>>67986381
TDK is the worst Batman movie ever made. It's terrible.
>>67988107
>I agree with the TDKR part but I'd never say TDK was bland
You misunderstand me, I meant that Gotham itself felt bland. The movie was very good overall, but it didn't feel seedy enough.
>>67986381
>or at least the only decent thing that DC will ever produce?
the Donner Superman movies?
the Burton Batman movies?
Yes
Yes
The Nolan Batman trilogy is by far and away the best capeshit movies. Rises was the only weak part and thats because it tried to do the typical comic book shit, it's still really good.
TDK
Spiderman (OG)
X-men (OG)
X-men first class
these are the best true capeshit movies (i.e. not including shit like unbreakable, birdman etc)
>>67988287
DC didn't produce those, do you even understand how films work?
>>67986580
>you need to resort to physical violence to defend your shit opinion
lol
>>67988374
>birdman
that's not capeshit at all
does Hellboy count as capeshit?
or A History of Violence?
>>67988399
WB owns DC, they produced all of thsoe movies
>>67988278
>but it didn't feel seedy enough
Unlike Begins which did. But this was on purpose. Batman cleaning it up for a couple years should have been the reason. Also, Nolan wanted that realistic dark gritty look and used Chicago for it without any CGI so naturally there's a limit to what you can do with the city.
I love the fact that Nolan basically put Batman and Joker into real life Chicago instead of making a gay fake superhero environment like Iron Man and Spiderman.
It was pure genius for its time and yes I have nostalgia goggles on because that was the best time of my life back then. 18 and getting pussy all the time.
>>67988514
>Unlike Begins which did. But this was on purpose.
No I fully understand it, but part of the essence of Batman, the series actually touches on it, is that he's just one guy, and he can't actually do all that much.
Gotham is his real nemesis.
In TDK she feels like a fwb, whe she should be the hatefuck of Begins. At least in my mind. I don't mind the direction, but having Gotham be seedy and gritty helps to anchor the tonal center. TDK and TDKR meandered a whole lot in those areas.
>>67988374
X-Men > X2
Spidey, I can give you, but come on famiglia.
Spider-Man 2 is much better.
>>67986381
It's good but both Batman Returns and Man of Steel were better
>>67988661
TDK was a crime drama akin to Heat but with superheroes.
It was even billed as such. So you're right, it's not even set in the actual Batman universe.
>>67986466
/thread
>>67986709
I'm pretty sure GotG won some
>>67988673
This
>>67986466
First reply always best reply
>>67987326
Someone should add in some 1960's batman "POW!" and "WHAM!" effects to this. It would make it look more natural
>>67986466
Exceedingly better. I really like TDK and tolerate TDKR for meme reasons, but Batman Begins was a much better Batman film. Had Batman actually doing Batman shit. TDK almost felt like it would have been better as a non-cape film. The Harvey Dent arc could have been cut from the movie, so could the cell phone sonar device. It was a really flawed movie. Begins was stronger all around and was much more in keeping with how a Batman movie should be. Would have liked a less retarded looking Batsuit, but that's just me. Begins still had its comicbook-ness intact, TDK was trying too hard to be unlike a comic, almost fighting its heritage.Also, Cillian Murphy's Scarecrow was just as good if not better than Ledger's Joker. Fight me.
>>67988951
>first half of the movie is Batman doing ninja shit
>Batman actually doing Batman stuff
Ok
TDK was mediocre at best, it only got the meme status because Heat Legend died. Begins was better, so was Returns.
>>67986627
If they had thrown in a couple well choreographed scenes of Batman beating up on clown goons, it would be my 10/10. I agree with what you're saying, but I still want some good fucking fights in my Batman film, but Begins still tops it for me.
from recent years, this is the objective, correct top 10 list of best capeshit from Marvel and DC. anyone who disagrees is out to prove they are massive contrarians and faggots.
1. Spiderman 2 (Marvel and Sony)
2. Winter Soldier (Marvel and Disney)
3. The Dark Knight (DC and WB)
4. Batman Begins (DC and WB)
5. Iron Man (Marvel and Disney)
6. Spiderman (Marvel and Sony)
7. Days of Future Past (Marvel and Fox)
8. Guardians of the Galaxy (Marvel and Disney)
9. Ant-Man (Marvel and Disney)
10. Future Class (Marvel and Fox)
>>67988951
If anything, it's pretty impressive that TDK managed to do a total "not muh Batman, not muh Joker" and still get such a warm reception.
I can't think of another movie that did that, other than maybe the Burton Batman, coming off years of cheesiness and with Jack Nicholson in clown makeup to boot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9ggbkxmaRs
All three of the Raimi movies are better than The Dark Knight.
Batman Begins is better than Spiderman 3 though.
>>67989098
>Batman Begins is better than Spiderman 3 though.
Incorrect
>>67987326
I remember Batman Begins having much better looking fight scenes than its sequels by far. That's one of the biggest reasons that TDK and TDKR disappointed me.
>>67989098
not Marvel though it's Sony xDD
TDK trilogy is DC not WB though xDD
>>67989049
>>67987775
He was shot by the accidental discharge from the goon batman is Force kicking
>>67987740
KEEP
CRYING
>>67989049
>no Burton Batman
>no Donner Superman
can't abide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRZAk2rfESU
>>67989148
sorry I hurt your feelings DCuck :/
>>67988991
That's part of Batman's origin though. He trained in all sorts of martial arts all over the world. If anything, I would have liked to see him do more training in other places before and after the League of Shadows.
>>67989049
>10. Future Class (Marvel and Fox)
this title is as wrong as your list, faggot. Back to /v/ with you.
>>67989256
BvS is literally better than all of those movies though, not Snyders fault you've got adhd.
>>67986381
>capeshit
it's a crime thriller
Se7en is not a slash flick just because there is a serial killer in it
>>67986381
TDK is the only capeshit movie where you could remove the lead superhero and it would still be a great movie on its own. It isn't "good for a superhero movie" like The Avengers and The Winter Soldier are.
Only thing I hated was Faggie Gylenhal or howeverthefuck you're supposed to spell her name
Katie McScientology Holmes is Greatest Rachel of All Time
Why is DC so incompetent at this shit
You can can really cover the gamut, there's as much silly, quippy shit in their pantheon as there is serious.
>>67989049
>Spiderman 2
Was fucking gay.
>>67989049
Why do people like TWS so much? It starts out cool but it becomes generic marvel shit by the end.
Same with Antman
>>67989045
I wanted to see more Batman fighting as well. I guess the scene when he saves the hostages was pretty cool.
Best capeshit right here.
>>67986381
but thats not Watchmen Dir' cut
>>67988951
cell phone sonar is the best part desu senpai. TDK is the best capeshit because is the less capeshit-esque
>>67987827
Damage control
>>67989049
>Winter Soldier
This movie is a meme, no clue why everyone creams their pants over it so much.
>>67992845
tight action direction and impressive editing?
>>67986723
who was Dunhier?
Sorry to all you /co/ crossposting manchildren, but Tobey's potrayal works best for a film. He's the best underdog to root for and Raimi's sly campy humor translates beutifully for the perfect summer blockbuster.
You just don't get much better than Spider-Man 1 and 2 when it comes to capeshit. Well at least fun 60's homage capeshit no dull dark gritty le EPIC nolan and dark with clean sensibilities Disney-Marvel capeshit. More along the lines of Superman 1 and 2 capeshit. John Williams-type Ricard Donner capeshit. American hero capeshit.
>>67986381
Batman movies are all action/crime thrillers. Not superhero movies.
The best superhero movies are Superman II and Spider-man 2.
>>67993105
lel fuck off
>>67987427
this movie was rushed as hell
>>67989049
why is winter soldier so highly rated? i just watched it last night, seemed like another marvel movie, same shit again.
did i miss something?
>>67986466
>>67988740
>>67988872
>>67988951
it's good to see /tv/ isn't completely retarded
>>67993832
this. fun, hopeful, heartfelt, well-directed, with complex, flawed characters and no pandering agendas. magical filmmaking superman 2 and spiderman 2 are.
>>67994041
social commentary and thought-provoking plot mixed with nostalgic intermixing of classic espionage films with modern blockbuster.
>>67986466
No it isn't. TDK is clearly better.
Am i the only one here that didn't really like Heath Ledgers joker?
And also am i the only one here that actually like batman vs superman? You guys are fucking retarded if you think aflek wasnt the better batman.
Even his father was hardcore, Batman vs superman portrayed batman as the violent vigilante he's supposed to be not some faggot anti-gun liberal weenie.
>>67994245
lol thats stretching it
nerds really jizz when someone makes a competent capeshit I guess
>>67994286
you are misusing the term capeshit and have come straight off the boat from reddit or /v/ due to the resurgent mainstream popularization or ironically shitting on hollywood because of RLM. Here, let me educate you on proper /tv/ culture.
You've misinterpreted the kino and capeshit meme. It does not mean kino is BETTER than cinema or a flick. It is a categorical bracket that separates different movies and what they strive to achieve.
Flick is generally fun popcorn fare (see Die Hard, Ocean's series, Snatch); movie is more personal focused on adult issues (see historical dramas like Letters from Iwo Jima or courtroom dramas like Kramer v Kramer or Woody Allen movies); cinema denotes classical bombastic flair and wide, wide aspect ratios but is not reserved solely for older films and more reflects combination of classical cinematic techniques meanwhile pushing boundaries (see Lawrence of Arabia, golden age Hollywood, Kubrick, David Fincher); kino finally just refers to foreign arthouse slow-moving meandering pieces that emphasize exploration of philosophical themes (see: Godard, Herzog, Malick, Bergman, etc.)
>>67994401
>explaining all of this nerd shit to someone who doesnt give a fuck about your board culture
lmao
>>67994536
the plague is spreading.
>>67986466
Never count on /tv/ not being able to find some hipster opinion not shared by anyone willing to put it in writing
>>67994401
Can you point to kino being used in that way outside of here? Because I can't seem to find it.
>>67993105
It felt generic and formulaic as fuck.
>>67994926
That's not a hipster opinion though. There were plenty of people who thought this when it came out. There wasn't massive dislike for the movie, but plenty of people still liked Begins better. TDK just attracted a lot more praise because of Heath Ledger's performance and his death.
I always liked Begins better, most of the Batman fans I know liked it quite a bit better. None of these people disliked TDK, but it's not an insane opinion. Just like Fellowship being a much better film than either Two Towers or Return. Most people won't share that opinion, but a good chunk who really appreciate what it did better will name it as their favorite.
>ctrl+f incredibles
>0 results
And that's why this board is so terrible.
I enjoyed all the hype I had for Begins then TDK was announced and the hype and viral marketing for that was amazing. It really was a fun time
I never really got how people could shit on those films years later.
>>67986381
its enjoyable, but it has just as many retarded leaps of faith, literally, as batman v superman. just stop and think about batman and dawson creek girl jumping off a fucking skyscraper and landing on a taxi that crushes the roof in and walking away with no injuries. also, joker was at the party to KILL EVERYONE and they just cut the scene after batman and girl plummet to their death like it never happened. police dont surround the building, batman doesnt go back for joker, no one cares and its never mentioned again.
then the gravity man strikes again when batman drops mafia guy like 10 ft to the sidewalk and he destroys his legs. after this, batman crushes two face after a two floors up fall, killing dent instantly, but batman proceeds to go on a fucking 8 minute mile run from police dogs with no after effects. gravity is fucked in the movie.
this doesnt touch on jokers pyschic planning for all contingencies beyond human comprenhension and usually saved for batman prep time level explanations. he even planned for gordon to fake his death and capture him out of nowhere.
then theres smuggling several thousand barrels of gasoline onto a ferry that is filled to over capacity and has absolutely no ballast problems. like the fucking ship would be sinking practically as its not designed for heavy hauling and its emergency get everyone out of gotham time, so they would have to adjust ballast for the tides and no one fucking notices they are several thousand tonnes overweight before a single person gets on either boat.
same for being able to smuggle that much explosive into a fucking hospital with no one noticing.
the fucking bus scene at the start is equally moronic. just drives through a wall and then times it somehow to have a fucking bus sized space in other school buses driving by and the other buses dont fucking report a bus just drove out of the fucking bank wall in front of them???
movie is fucking dumb as shit.
