I thought this was gonna be good. Wow was it not. The acting is so simple; it's like watching the movie equivalent of a children's book. John Wayne's character is an asshole and I don't understand how he has any friends. The chief Comanche is clearly a white guy in makeup. The character interaction is daytime-soap opera quality. The homestead is in the middle of a desert where there is no way they would ever make a living. They keep saying they are in Texas when they are showing shots of Arizona. Just a complete waste of two hours.
Are u an indian per chance?
How
I bet you prefer Memetino westerns
>>67930821
>hating on the greatest western of all time
kill yourself OP. Not even trolling.
>>67930954
there's literally no depth to it at all. it's like watching children play cowboy and indians. the only part that felt authentic was watching people ride horses across obstacles.
B8 b8 for my best M8
>>67930821
I'll never understand why people put classic westerns up on their list as high as Ben Hur and Lawrence of Arabia. It's usually just meaningful stares and cartoon physics.
>>67931731
Tbh i didn't like it either and I wanted to
>>67930981
This, it is hardly watchable today.
I'm trying really hard to like westerns. I got over the same hurdle with foreign, black and white and silent films but I really can't do it with westerns...
Do I have to like horses and survival courses to appreciate it properly or some shit?
>>67930821
There are 2 reasons The Searchers persists as a classic 1) It influenced films which are much better than it (Taxi Driver for example) 2) Many believe the film has a subtext about racism that adds complexity to its narrative.
>hur dur i watch movies without the proper understanding of the time it was released in
end yourself
>>67931910
Which Westerns have you watched?
>>67931964
can you tell me how the time it was released affects perception of the movie?
>>67931910
The good the bad and the ugly is the best film of all time objectively
>>67932034
Watch recent westerns and work your way back
>>67932080
whew
the original capeshit
>>67932080
Meant for
>>67931910
The only western I've ever seen that I'd fully recommend is McCabe & Mrs. Miller, but it barely qualifies. It doesn't really fit snugly into the western genre and subverts a lot of its cliches.
It's funny how the Italians were so much better at making Wild West movies than the people who actually had the Wild West.
>>67932007
since it was made in the studio system the things movies back then could get away with was only limited. criticizing a movie because a white actor plays a native american is completely preposterous, that was the norm back then and wasn't frowned upon at all. watch movies like this understanding the limitations on it while it was being made.
that being said this is indeed not a good movie. watch The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance instead.
>>67931980
Good Bad Ugly was painfully slow, had a hilariously bad villain-hero-luck dynamic.
Butch Cassidy was alright apart from a Californian surfer being afraid of water.
Assassination of Jesse James - Masturbatory, I blame Casey Afflecks autism.
>>67932180
The problem with the white chief was that all the other Indians were played by actual Indians, so the white guy stuck out and looked like he was one of the cowboys playing dress up.
>>67931927
>1) It influenced films which are much better than it (Taxi Driver for example)
>>67932173
John Ford's Westerns are better than any Italian shit.
>>67932287
Try The Professionals, High Noon, maybe also The Wild Bunch.
They're very different movies so try all of them even if you don't like the others.
If you liked Butch Cassidy you'll probably enjoy the Professionals.
>>67930821
This film is dark as fuck. 2nd viewing of it, I saw what was really going on. John Wayne's characters racisim to cover up the fact that he's the father of the dude he tracks with. There are signs all the way that he was in love with an Indian woman who was killed and sculpt. Also I love the hut burning scene, which star wars used well.
It's great, watched it recently, you can really feel the influence in other stuff. It stands alone as well, the kind of people who don't like this movie are the same crowd who think breaking bad is better then the sopranos. We call those people redditors/plebs
I know this is a bait thread, but c'mon. Maybe you have to be an American to truly understand westerns, but surely you yuroplebs can at least grasp at the filmmaking aspects.
>>67932676
This is the only impressive shot in the whole film
>>67932450
Ethan Edwards is related to Martin Lawley (an uncle?), but he isn't his father.
>>67932676
I'm an American and it's not bait. Why do they have a homestead there anyway? What do the cows eat? Sand? Who thought it made sense to use a desert to film a movie about ranchers?
>>67932771
The film tells you that Martin is the adopted son of Ethan's brother, but it doesn't tell you why he needed to be adopted.
>>67932676
>Maybe you have to be an American to truly understand westerns
But Sergio Leone and Fred Zinnemann were both euros
>>67931806
no, it's very watchable. if you werent such a disgusting samefag you'd realize that
>>67932724
Nah, the one at night with Wayne looking over his shoulder at a dead Indian I think it was was a great shot
>>67931910
Why are you forcing yourself to like anything? just accept that you're a pleb and live your life
>>67932807
Hmm, it never occurred to me that Ethan might be Martin's father. Maybe the novel makes it more clear.
>>67932080
That's a damn good list of great westerns.
>>67932034
Wrong. Not even leone's best
those types of westerns are basically just the capeshit of their era, there's very very few actually good ones, and the searches is not one of them.
>>67933589
>I like to pretend to speak knowledgeably about things I know nothing about
>>67933589
Is 3 Dev Adam spaghetti capeshit?
>>67933712
>Turkish
It's falafel capeshit.
>>67932676
The rest of the film is shot like TV. Personally I hated the film.
>>67933949
I don't know what I'm talking about: the post.
Did you know that David Lean studies The Searchers for ideas on how to shoot Lawrence of Arabia?
>>67934060
this triggers my autism this is is clearly NOT TEXAS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>67934060
oh wow, 5-10 minutes of the movie has some vistas, so impressive... its like you haven't watched the rest of the movie
>>67934145
If you want to see a John Ford movie that actually does have a tv aesthetic, watch The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. The Searchers isn't it.
>>67930821
>I didn't like it, therefore it's trash!
>>67932287
Go for The Outlaw Josey Wales and Django. I think that might suit you more.
>>67930821
I like westerns but I do not like John Ford.
>>67935810
Hi Quentin.
>>67931731
The Searchers is infinitely better than Lawrence Of Arabia, specially when it comes to the subject of race
>>67931927
>It influenced films which are much better than it (Taxi Driver for example)
> much better than it (Taxi Driver for example)
> much better than it (Taxi Driver for example)
> much better than it (Taxi Driver for example)
>>67932173
leone's memesterns are entertaining, but you can't even compare them to Rio Bravo, Stagecoach, McCabe&Mrs Miller etc.
>>67930821
No way you're not gay or a female
>>67933589
>literally one of the 20 most acclaimed films of all time
it's not good, guys, trust me here
>commanche droppings
What did he mean by this?
>>67930981
U are retarded it has a shit ton of depth only it is implicit. If u weren't an autistvu could pick up on the subtext.
>>67930821
I love John Ford's directing style but so far there isn't a single one of his films that I've thought was anything more than decent. Is he just attracted to weak scripts or what?
>>67931927
It does if u read the fucking book it's obvious. U see the same author wrote the same concept from both sides. They wrote a story about an Indian girl being adopted by white people and the Indian trying to find her. Also if you notice things like John Wayne starting out in a Confederate outfit and endibgvib a union outfit it is supposed to both be emblentayic of America changing same with the character. I suppose you didn't notice the girl is actually John Wayne's daughter because it never mentions it, because it implies it visually. These are only a couple things.
>>67930981
You're a retard. It has a shit ton of depth. That's why it's so well regarded.
>>67939196
Who cares about the script
>>67939435
>who is Billy Wilder?
>who is Frank Capra?
>who is Preston Sturges?
>who is Michael Curtiz?
You're right, no one has ever cared about the script
>>67939598
Funnily enough none of those are great directors, either.
>>67939663
They put the story first and the directing second, they let the words and the actors make their films great.
Billy Wilder is a perfect example of someone who was an amazing filmmaker, but a mediocre director. My point still stands
>>67934234
this still a better film
>>67939819
I agree.
>>67930981
>there's literally no depth to it at all.
The Searchers is great but I don't consider it Ford's best Western. That title belongs to My Darling Clementine.
>>67932080
>Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid
Whichever Anon made this is based as fuck. That movie's so often overlooked in favour of other Peckinpah Westerns like The Wild Bunch.
>>67930821
>The chief Comanche is clearly a white guy in makeup
yes, he is. Did you not understand the theme of race mixing in the film? Waynes comrade is half indian, his daughter is being raped by one, andt he chief is part white.
>>67932080
fuck man, Tombstone was GREAT
I need to rewatch it some time
>>67940445
>that ending
Fuck Pat.Billy was an asshole too though
>>67930883
JUST
