>Nolan served as an executive producer on Man of Steel. He hired director Zack Snyder and even worked on the story. To help him prepare for the job, Nolan had Snyder study test footage from White Sands, New Mexico, to get a sense of how objects behave at high velocity.
>One of Marvel’s trademarks is the post-credit scenes they put at the end of their movies. Sometimes they’re funny, but they almost always tease what’s next to come. And they work! They generate buzz and get fans excited. Warner Bros. took notice and wanted to do something similar in Man of Steel, but Christopher Nolan rejected the idea "A real movie wouldn’t do that" he said.
>>67898858
They put it before the credits instead with that whole drone sequence and the grill liking his ass
>>67898858
Fuck you Nolan and your elitist bullshit. Ferris Bueller's Day Off isn't a real movie?
>>67898858
>a real movie wouldn't do that
>it would instead shoehorn it right into the middle of the movie in an awkward dream sequence
>>67899577
Shut the fuck up it was a clever set up for people who pay attention.
>>67898858
Because of Nolan we instead got a tone crashing scene of WW looking at the new JL members, which should have been mid-cred or end credits.
>>67899549
No it was all in your head.
>>67899667
>>67899577
>Man of Steel
Are you all idiots? It isn't talking about BvS.
>>67898858
>And they work! They generate buzz and get fans excited.
Lol fuck off whoever wrote this article.
>>67898858
.... So you guys missed this in 2014 huh?
>>67899731
They didnt bother to read it and just want to shitpost.
>>67899731
If Nolan never pulled that shit to begin with BvS would have got those scenes in a better way
>>67898858
Should have just had Nolan direct and write Man of Steel.
It was essentially in a Superman in "real life" universe. Then had him or someone else direct BvS. Or just a Superman sequel.
Synder has destroyed what could have been a cool shared universe.
>>67899731
The point still stands. Clearly if they weren't so pig headed and not actively trying to do the opposite of what works for Marvel, they might make better movies.
>"A real movie"
>making CGI-infested summer blockbuster capeshit
>>67899549
That movie was complete shit along with breakfast club.
>>67898858
Lol, so now Snyder is making up lies and trying to use Nolan as a scapegoat for his failures?
>>67899731
Yes. But because of that mentality, it leaked into BvS. Also he exec produced that one, so he most likely had a little say in what goes on.
>>67898858
>A real movie wouldn’t do that
ouch
>>67899920
>space cop
>>67899892
nolan should have directed the story, synder the action
>>67899920
>DC
>Blockbuster
>"A real movie wouldn’t do that" he said.
Marvelcucks BTFO
Alright, but wasn't Nolan also the one who was against Superman killing Zod and had to be talked into it by Snyder and Goyer?
>>67899593
>>67899731
>butt blasted dcucks
Is he actually that delusional? Does he really believe he makes works of art?
>>67898903
this
>>67899593
>Flash for some reason in Batman's stream
>wonder woman literally finding Lex' porn folders of each member with a video and even logos
>>67900553
so now super speed allows you to travel into people's dreams
>>67900621
yeah it doesnt make fucking sense. But I guess there's one cry baby out there writing an essay explaining why he's in a dream and why it was 2deep4u to understand why.
>>67900621
It how speed force works.Prove me wrong.
>>67899947
No, just you.
>>67900621
>speedforce, don't gotta explain shit
>>67898858
Something is wrong with that statement, it hurts marvelfags and hurting people is wrong
>>67900743
>>67900864
give me a source that says speedforce allows a user to go into a person's dream.
And he is right
>>67900937
As far as I'm aware >>67900864 is quite literally the correct answer.
Big talk from someone who hasn't made a decent film in almost 10 years.
>>67900937
OK so this is what I think happened
>flash expends tremendous energy to go back in time to warn Bruce about future events, waking Batman up from his slumber
>when Flash snaps back to the future he came from it also messes with time in the present where Bruce is, so while Bruce remembers the entire conversation time reverses ever so slightly so that Bruce is dozing once more, and you can also see the papers scattered by Flash's departure.
It wasn't so much a dream as it was time shenanigans
>>67901033
see>>67900937
>>67901143
this is a fair theory, but I doubt thats what Snyder meant for tho. Still the best answer Ive heard in this thread
>>67899549
That movie could be a day-in-the-life of any MCU character's teenage years
>>67898858
I so does this mean that Batman Begins is not a movie in Nolan eyes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6TmhHAsvwg
>>67901202
Speedforce time travel causes a ripple that displaces events or people. Since it was a small scale event, only Batman felt the time displacement
>>67901143
>>67901202
The actual dream part of the dream was caused by future echos, or ripples in the pond of spacetime, caused by Flash speedforcing backwards through time to give Bruce the message. Thus he has the dream before Flash reaches him.
>>67901360
but why was it in a dream?
>>67901143
yeah this makes most sense and is usually how time travel works
>>67901244
>reddit posts wasted gets
REEEEE
>>67901257
>post-credit scene
>ending scene
Are you retarted?
>>67901394
The Flash part wasn't really a dream. It was real. Bruce snapped out of the actual dream to see the Flash and when Flash leaves he blacks out for a second.
>>67898858
post credit scenes are retarded
based nolan
I kinda agree with Nolan, in the beginning, post credit scenes were awesome easter eggs for people who stayed after credit. But now so many people are aware of it that they just sit there awkwardly while the rest of the cinema looks at them weird, and the others just read about it on some site. It doesnt fit modern cinema to have post credit scenes, they could honestly just have it as an ending scene at this point.
>>67899909
But they have better movies. Nolan's Batman is miles better than anything Marvel came up with. TDK is the best capekino ever.
The problem with WB is that Nolan isn't interested in doing superhero movies, that is why he let Snyder to direct Man of Murder, and you can see in the movie the places where Nolan influenced the movie and where Snyder influenced it more. Specially when you compare it to BvS.
The way Marvel does their shit isn't the only way to do it, shit The Dark Knight Trilogy has already proven this, the only problem is that WB keep giving the director place to fucking retards, they should either force Nolan to come up with something or give it to Affleck to direct.
Remember this scene from LOST? Spoilers ahead.
Present Day Daniel Faraday whose travelled back in time relays a message to Past Desmond. Future Desmond wakes up from "a dream", then says "No, it was a memory".
Flash travelled back in time, relayed a message to Batman. Appears as a dream but was a memory happening at the exact same time just at a different point in time.
Synder and Team are shit writers though so yeah.
>>67900206
He was right though.
>>67899593
It was fucking shit, mate.
BvS would be a solid 8/8 if they dropped all the Justice League shit.
>>67901689
it was shit overall, no matter what
>>67901593
problem is that you're comparing Nolan's realistic setting of Batman, to Marvel and DC's fantasy setting. Nolan's Batman works because most of Batman's villains are mobster type villains, which translates well to the real world. Superman couldn't even exist in Nolan's Dark Knight universe. That's also why Nolan stayed away from over the top villains that couldn't be translated well, like Poison Ivy, Mr Freeze and even Penguin.
>>67898858
>Sometimes they’re funny, but they almost always tease what’s next to come.
not anymore
after the first phase they've been nothing but waste of time
>>67901689
Was it really? (8/10)
I actually enjoyed Man Of Steel, how does it compare?
Is the justice league shit really out of place? that's the vibe I get.
>>67898858
See, this is what bothers me about Nolan. His pretentious bullshit gets in the way of the fact that he's making movies about a grown man dressed as a bat fighting the criminally insane, and a ridiculously powerful humanoid alien in tights.
He has such a hard-on for being Stanley Kubrick, and he misses the point entirely.
>>67899947I'd see Watchmen again before I'd see The Dark Knight again.
>>67901780
Clark ultimately chooses the wrong father to listen to and becomes a sad sack piece of shit.
It's amazing how hopeful and energetic Clark is in that movie, even after he kills Zod he's talking with his mom and then getting ready for his first day at the planet, but a year and a half later he's just this brooding lifesaver man.
>>67901845
But TDK works so well because it is a crime drama first and capekino second. You could take out Batman and replace him and the movie wouldn't have lost much at all.
>>67898858
> No true Scotsman
>>67901875
ugh I'm going to see it with a normie friend in a week or so
I was hyped after trailer 2 then it went downhill, I'm not looking forward to seeing it and that makes me feel strange.
hope a crane falls on synder and gadot
>>67901739
To be fair, Bane is an over-the-top villain as well. A Mexican-wrestler villain powered by super-goop called Venom that makes him Muscles McGee?
Nolan translated him fairly well. Ivy or Freeze don't work without their powers, but others might.
>>67901952
>>67901739
people seem to forget this when they compare Nolan's Batman to DC and Marvel.
>>67902003
that's why I enjoyed Nolans movies.
Batmans primary main villains are all essential "human". so it worked. there still could have been a Superman in metropolis in the Nolan universe and it would have worked.
>>67902003
yeah but when you break it down, what's Bane's powers compared to Ivy and Freeze? He's just very strong, which translated well to Nolan's Batman, Bane was the first villain Batman faced that was physically stronger than him. They could maybe translate Ivy the same way they did scarecrow and turn her into a biological terrorist, but it just doesn't work well. I could see maybe Penguin work, but his character is very comic like, with his body type.
>>67898858
The Wonder Woman Checks Email scene should have been a credit cookie but it just made the movie that much longer. Fuck off Nolan!
>>67901952
>>67901739
>>67902008
It's a shame, then, that Batman still never does any proper fucking detective work and relies too heavily upon his gadgets.
And the villains are still using fear gas, dressing as a clown, having half his face burned off while still talking perfectly fine and walking around with a gaping eyeball like it's no problem whatsoever, and... whatever the fuck is up with Bane, I didn't even bother with that movie.
You can't claim it's realistic when the whole thing is so utterly fucking absurd.
>>67902040
how could Superman work? This isn't a universe where if you fall in a tank of chemicals you turn into joker. This is a universe where you'd just die. Superman in Nolan's universe would most likely be some agile muscle guy that couldn't fly and didn't have any superhuman strength. They'd probably write him in as some ex navy seal.
>>67902076
i didn't like how the logos looked like from actual comics or something in real life. that was really fucking stupid. did lex sit their in photoshop creating them?
it was if they looked like that so normies could put that image of them against real life comic hero logos and say LOOK JUSTICE LEAGUE WOO
There was no passion in BvS which is a shame, shoe horned rush for an even more mediocre movie Justice League.
IM LEX LUTHOR AND I WANT THAT DEAD ALIEN.
IN FACT YOU'LL BEG ME TO TAKE IT.
>>67902129
I wasn't meaning how could a realistic Superman work.
I was saying Batman villains are usually human with just ehanced things. But if they decided to have Superman fly in at the end of a Nolan movie, it still could have worked.
Gotham is where all these human villains reside, Metropolis exists with Superman and otherworldly shit.
Basically I could have seen a shared universe working in nolanverse.
>>67899549
aside from this not being about bvs, and forgetting everything else in this thread,
ferris bueller is white privilege: the movie.
>>67902118
its still kept in a realistic universe tho. Hallucination gasses do exist. Joker is just a psychopath, that probably self harmed himself. Bane is just a big guy who knows mixed martial arts and owns a more or less terrorist group. Literally half the Dark Knight movie is Bruce tracking down Joker. Absurd doesn't mean unrealistic, you can try to ridicule it and says its crazy all you want. But most of the stuff in TDK trilogy is realistic, and is in a realistic setting.
Two-face is also fine, he's a burn victim, it makes sense.
>>67902118
it's fucking batman, it would be incredibly stupid to make a batman movie and make the characters the most basic detective and criminal cliche thing my god this board is fucked
>it's a shame that batman isn't just investigating and putting people in jail through court
man fuck you, I bet if that were the case you would now shit on how bland and boring Nolans batman is
>>67902129
the problem with superman is now everyone assumes that he must be some invincible demi god. I don't see what's wrong with having him be super strong and have some magical abilities but still grounded within reality. He can lift up a boat or a plane but maybe not an entire building. It's the same problem as the flash, I think he's cool in theory but why the speed force and time travel bullshit ?
>>67902257
perhaps, I dont think a superman would work in Nolan's universe.
Some of the reason a lot of people dislike DC's universe in general is because they have a lot of overpowered superheros, and in order to compensate for this, have over the top silly villains. Superman has basically only been killed by Doomsday, who they threw away for BvS. Flash is also overpowered to the point where the only real Flash villains are also speedsters. It's just not interesting for most people. Then they start pointing out "lmao how can Batman even defend himself in such a universe". That's why Batman series, either games or movies tend to work well, it's not over the top, overpowered people. It's just Batman vs villains with a special trait. Even villains like Deathstroke, Bane and Joker aren't overpowered.
>>67902187
Take it. It's cherry flavoured.
you know what would be a cool story for a movie
Bruce Wayne is influenced by Scarecrow and reveals himself as Batman to Gotham. Everyone just laughs and Bruce starts trying to jump of buildings and shit..
Alfred has to keep quite. Gotham Police put Bruce in Arkham, then the story unfolds and shit. probably be a good comic that.
kewl eh or no
>>67902129
It is easy just create a drama around how the man with endless possibilities choose to serve "man kind" instead of his own interest or country. How does he decides to be a neutral force rather than one that take sides and crush the opposition.
The importance in making a film feel "realistic" isn't in what you show but rather the themes you present in it. That is why TDK feels so "realistic" because you feel that if you change shit here and there to take out the "superhero shit" the movie will still work.
Superman in the Nolan verse could work, the first part of MoS is prove of that the problem is that MoS missed the ball entirely by being 2 completely unrelated stories which accentuated the differences with the tone of the movie and its messages.
>>67902498
this I could see, some nerfed down Superman. Instead of flying, go back to him only being able to leap far. Make it so he can lift heavy objects like cars and maybe buses. Remove laser, and super breath or what not.
It still wouldn't work in the Nolan universe that was set up, but it could work for a good transition to a shared universe. But you know people would be furious, making their mememan weak, so they cant discuss their "who would win superman vs x" discussions.
>>67902506
Just power him up and tone down the threat. It's basically what they always do. Like you see Batman struggling with dudes in Gotham then suddenly he's beating up people he has no business beating with the Justice league.
>>67902583
ok so let me ask you this with Superman being in Nolan's universe. Where would he come from? How would he have his powers? As I mentioned earlier with Joker falling in a tank of chemicals, and instead of turning into the Joker, he'd just die, because falling in toxic waste does that in reality. How would you make a story of a superhuman being in a realistic universe?
>>67902558
That sounds pretty silly, why would they laugh at him, they are all poorfags compared to Bruce
>>67902605
I'll admit I'm not really into comics, but I'd be really interested to see a more reasonable superman. I think the one from man of steel is fine and interesting as well, but it bothers me that it always escalates upward with every super hero getting stronger and stronger until they destroying entire cities every time there's a small fight. I think superman's courage would really shine if he was facing dangers just as much as anyone else. Plus, that would get rid of the silly kryptonite shenanigans.
>>67902285
>Two-face is also fine, he's a burn victim, it makes sense.
You know nothing of burn victims.
>>67902443
The argument was that replacing Batman with anyone else would make for a perfectly decent crime drama.
Also that's what Batman is, for years he's been described as the "World's Greatest Detective." For fuck's sake, he was published by DETECTIVE Comics.
It's like you people don't understand what you're defending.
>>67902558
pretty fucking stupid sorry anon but I'm not sorry
>>67902498
I think that's one of the (many) reasons the Young Justice cartoon worked well.
Superboy can leap tall buildings in a single bound, but can't fly and isn't as strong. Kid Flash can run 500 MPH but isn't infinitely fast like Flash; hence you can get that "deliver a heart from Boston to Seattle" story since it's still a six-hour journey.
>>67898858
>"A real movie wouldn’t do that" he said.
That's the exact problem with this pretentious dickwad.
Superhero movies are not "real movies". They are dumb fun about morons in costumes. Stop pretending they're intense "thought-provoking" thrillers and dramas for people who unironically make a distinction between "movies" and "films".
>>67902752
explain what I dont know about Burn victims.
>>67902716
The first part of MoS is a good framework, you could have the DBZ capekino bullshit as well but also give more emphasis in the toll it takes on Superman morality, how would that experience affect his view on life and society or its view of mankind.
The important part to make a Superman movie feel grounded is in presenting the man behind the symbol and basically guide you into his core belief and how they are shaken when facing problems.
A good moment of MoS is the moment where he decides to kill Zod to protect people from immediate danger, the problem is that the rest of the battle doesn't help with that tone so the idea behind the scene is completely lost thanks to all the previous bullshit. MoS had good ideas in it but lack a steady hand in the direction to decided how to apply to correct doses of capekino in it.
>>67902752
>villain has cosmic power of convenience
>perfectly decent crime drama
>>67902885
The same could be said for almost all movies. Stop being retarded he is right, TDK is basically a crime drama that would work if you take out Batman.
>>67899909
But they are trying to do what works for Marvel, and that's the problem. Universe movies are shit. They should have stuck to producing standalone films and/or trilogies. That allows for a much wider range in both topic and tone. You can have your darker movies and your lighter ones. When you try to mash it all together, it's not going to work.
>>67902865
I can agree with parts about that. The first part of MoS fits in the Nolan universe, but it doesnt follow the same rules of that universe. I do agree do, seeing Superman working on a boat and in cafe's was really down to earth and worked great.
Also agree with the last part. With all the destruction porn, and the fact that I think a lot of the audience was expecting Superman to kill Zod when they were fighting made it hard to understand why it was difficult for Superman to kill Zod in the end.
I just wish the Superman movie stayed a bit down to Earth, it didnt really need the terraforming plot in it, it could've just been Zod and the gang trying to kill/capture superman to get the DNA(or whatever it was)
>>67903005
Ohh I agree. Also why I also like Daredevil so much when compared to the rest of the MCU, the change in tone brings like a fresh air to the content.
>>67903005
this, they really rushed in trying to cash out on the capeshit train. They're basically trying to put DCEU and MCU on an equal level, instead of trying to build it up and see what people like.
>>67902952
I really don't understand why people say that, the entire movie is about batman as a hero fighting for a city, against the joker, as villain trying to destroy the symbol of a hero. How would any of the movie work if they were just regular guys ? I mean I'm sure a lot of action movie stars are stronger than the batman in TDK, but none of them could represent what Batman stands for, same goes for the joker.
>>67898858
>He hired director Zack Snyder and even worked on the story.
This piece of shit doesn't get enough hate for this.
Everyone just shits on Snyder but Nolan hired him so who's really to blame here?
>>67900553
>>67900621
>>67900677
>>67900743
It wasn't a dream you fucking morons. If you had been paying attention you would have noticed that when the Flash disappears, papers and all the shit on his desk blow all about the place.
>>67903203
Why is Bruce still sleeping?
>>67902729
Coz the shit Scarecrow has done to him has made him reveal it in a "bat"shit crazy way.
Maybe one thing is that it renders him fight less, say a few thugs approach Wayne and he gets the shit kicked out of him after flimsily trying to defend himself. Things like that.
>>67898858
Nolan movies are so boring I actually fell asleep in Intersteller
>>67903203
>but... but... red letter media said it was a stupid scene
>>67902767
you've never read a comic in your life.
stop pretending you think you know comic stories when all you do is watch camrips of marvel movies.
>>67898858
This is an interesting read, because I've noticed that the post-credits stinger is most strongly associated with comedy, and whenever I pay good money to watch a movie one time in the theater (especially one I've never seen before), I always stick around the extra 5-10 minutes and let the credits roll, mostly to see if there /is/ any easter egg. Of course there usually isn't but when there is a little something that makes it all worthwhile.
Also whenever there's a pre-credits stinger as people are shuffling for the door, it traps them like lemmings in the aisles: "omg more content, that's CRAZY!" *claps*
Nolan is effectively perpetuating this anti-comedy attitude of "high" Hollywood culture, which is of course funny since he's built a career on capeshit.
>>67902952
>The same could be said for almost all movies.
Lolno, Joker's plans were all equivalent to blood transfusion from TDKR, a real movie would becoming a laughing stock if it relied on something this dumb and inconsistent to create tension, but nobody really cared cause muh Heath Legend.
>>67903355
he was already famous before capeshit, and he stepped right out of it at the first occasion. If anything, capeshit owes more to him than the opposite.
testing if i got banned
>>67903453
MODSS MODS HES BAN EVADING
>>67903265
He literally jolts when the vision ends, his eyes are closed because of the blinding flash of light, its not hard mate.
>>67903442
okay nerd. Memento, a very boring and hugely overrated gimmick, is the only thing of consequence pre-Batman. Also
>stepped right out of it (capeshit) at the first occasion
>directs three batman movies and is apparently involved in other capeshit per the OP
lol nope
>>67903203
Fuck - you are right
>>67903453
reported
>>67903608
so flash ran into his room, pedoly screamed at him and then ran out?
LOL DKEKS DEFEND THIS
>>67903617
>>67903670
GIT R DUN
>>67901608
this is how the flash sequence should have happened.
synder a hack, literally just had flash peep into bruce's room whilst he slept and shouted at him.
>>67903670
He was giving him a message from the future, obviously alluding to some injustice type scenario, sorry the film didn't spoonfeed you like papa marvel.
>LOL DKEKS DEFEND THIS
Ok bud.
>>67902261
Is this bait? If not then its back to tumblr for you.
>>67903614
he wants to make hollywood movies. After the batman's success, helping on MoS or other movies was basically a favor for a favor.
>>67903798
DAMAGE
>>67903453
>>67903634
reported both for stating that you reported
>>67903973
>>67903203
Why would Batman dream about the Flash?
>>67904106
because he's a fucking faggot bat
>>67904106
because he kills people
man of murder vs bat of murderdinndingsingdingdongerdingding
>>67903928
So you're just done having a conversation yeah? I'm giving you perfectly valid points with evidence to back them up while you meme like some facebook poster.
>>67904106
Precisely, that in itself proves its not a dream. Its like how could he "dream" a future with Darkseid's army when he would have no way to even begin contemplating what they would look like.
>>67904327
literally shoe horned in scenes with 0 explaintion just a meme teaser of what's to come for the next film which literally no one cares about
everyone was hyped for BvS not JUSTic League.
fuck Synder and fuck WB
>>67904384
Oh I'm not defending the placement of the scene (or the scene itself) I just get sick of seeing people think that batman just magically dreamed up an accurate depiction of both the flash and darkseid's forces.
>>67898858
I would like to see Christopher Nolan direct a slapstick comedy
NO
FUN
ALLOWED
>>67898858
>Nolan trying to elevate the level of cape movies
>Nolan secretly has a soft spot for DC
>Nolan still cares
Why isn't WB getting rid of Zack already?
>>67904736
>I CRY WITHOUT MUH QUIPS
>>67900937
Speedforce nigger, I don't got to explain shit.
>>67907402
Nolan doesn't elevate shit. He needs to get a new screen writer, and his editor should never work again.
>>67904327
>Batman was a mystic clairvoyant who could see the future
You stink.
>>67908419
>What is reading comprehension
I literally said the opposite of what you just implied. "Speedforce i aint gotta explain shit" comes into it quite a lot.
>>67904384
>everyone was hyped for BvS not JUSTic League.
Speak for yourself
BvS was always a terrible idea and Warner's demand to put Batman in a Superman movie
Justice League is what matters, not a retarded fight between a guy dressed as a bat and a god
>>67900833
Yeah, okay snyder. Let's blame nolan, i'm sure that will prevent you from losing your job.
