Vinyl costs $7m/ep ($100m for the season with $30m for the pilot) and only 570k are watching the show live or same day via DVR. Frickin' Girls is getting about the same amount of viewers at a fraction of the cost.
What has gone wrong at HBO?
Where does all the money go? It's absolute trash and they have no big names attached.
>>67892466
Bobby Cannavale and Olivia Wilde are reasonably big names, Mick Jagger and Scorsese must cost a bit, period dramas are expensive to make, and there's various rights issues.
But money is clearly being burnt on this show.
>7,000,000 per
That doesn't sound right, as in, it sounds awful.
>30,000,000 for the pilot
That's just stupid. You could make Deadpool for that money. That's a feature length film with tons of effects.
I'm not complaining. Its a fucking great show. Its so refreshing to watch a show that doesn't force a narrative down our throats and instead creates a visceral experience of a past era.
>>67892587
Well, the pilot was pretty much a 2-hour Scorcese-directed movie.
>>67892466
they used it on all those real name musicians and songs that play in the background
>you will never be a braindead American simpleton who chooses to watch Quantico or The Walking Dead over Vinyl
Thank fucking God.
>Terence Winter rushed to finish Boardwalk Empire for Vinyl
lol
>>67892684
Vinyl is total fucking acclaim-bait bullshit. Critics gave it good reviews (essentailly because it's an expensive HBO period show with an all-star cast) despite acknowledging it was mediocre.
>>67892684
Why do losers do this? Defend what they're watching by putting others down.
>Y-y-yeah? Well I watch Vinyl and you're watching PLEB SHIT like Quantico! Fucking loser!
It's pathetic.
I think they care more about making a great piece of television than they care about turning a profit. You can see it in the stylistic choices and general approach (or lack thereof) to storytelling.
Vinyl is the most patrician show airing right now.
>>67892703
More like HBO didn't want to pay $5m/ep for a poorly-rated show any more. Sadly, they've used that money to create an even more expensive, more poorly-rated show.
>>67892736
The pilot wasn't the best, sure. But it's getting better and better with each episode.
>>67892736
Except it really isn't. If it were, we'd see a concrete narrative instead of tons of indulgent mood-piece scenes. This show feels like a massive fuck-you to critics.
I stopped watching after the pilot, did they ever focus on the murder of the fat fuck or is it more on their struggling record industry?
>>67892742
He makes a good point though. Quantico and The Walking Dead are completely brain-dead shows while Vinyl has some sort of artistic merit at least. Choosing to watch Quantico or The Walking Dead over Vinyl does say a great deal about a person. None of it good.
>>67892883
>Choosing to watch Quantico or The Walking Dead over Vinyl does say a great deal about a person
That's they're not dumb enough to pay $10/mo for HBO, who currently only have one worthwhile scripted show in a sea of mediocrity.
>>67892665
Was it a pro-italian pro-crime piece of shit with drugs and whores?
Nothing amazing but is definitely watchable.
I enjoyed Boardwalk Empire much more than this but whatever.
>>67892953
Oh and, all other shows in that list besides last man on earth and twd are complete garbage.
To put in context how much of a bomb this show is, they could have given each person watching the series $100 and came out $30 million on top.
>The Leftovers pulls better numbers than the latest overblown Terrence Winter coke dreck
Good
This is the sort of show that will return profits slowly over time as people recommend it to their friends and read about it everywhere. It will leave a legacy on the same scale as The Wire and The Sopranos.
>>67893069
lol. The Sopranos was a monster hit when it was first airing, and The Wire is basically unprecedented in that regard.
Plus, y'know, it's not very good.
>have no interest in anything from HBO
what happened indeed
>billionaires
>kardashians
>ths shit
americans sure do love "rich people doing things i cant afford while i work minimum wage" tv
its like pornography for normies. instead of sex they get off on lifestyles.
>mmm yeah spend that cash you slut
>>67893069
I didn't see that happen with Boardwalk Empire, and it was a much better show than Vinyl from the start.
I hate to throw the words 'patrician' and 'high-minded' around but this show really is above the minor intellect of your average /tv/ TWD fan.
>>67893069
haha good one
>>67893099
Because now Netflix, Amazon, Showtime etc are all competing with HBO for prestige projects, and HBO's development seems like a complete clusterfuck (see: Westworld, Utopia, even fucking Leftovers)
>>67892158
wages(the actors are signed and paid for 2 seasons so they were going to get a second regardless)
music royalties
they were probably hoping for a prestige hit like the sopranos or the wire, should have invested in another genre show to compliment GoT
>>67893166
Also, HBO are notorious starfuckers, which inflates the budgets of anything they do, especially now there's competition.
>>67893105
people don't even remember BWE. Even Oz is more popular now.
>people who like this also liked Wolf of Wall Street and modern Scorsese flicks
not to mention those live threads on Sunday are fucking dead
>>67892158
>VINYL
Literally no one asked for this.. Who cares about the 70s?
>>67893224
TWOWS seems to have actually had a fucking point behind it, this feels like an exercise in collecting paychecks.
>>67893166
HBO should have fucking died by now if it wasn't for GoT.
>>67893252
Americans just don't like period dramas. Complete list of American period dramas that have been successful in the past decade or more:
Mad Men
FIN
>>67893252
Mad Men has very vocal fanbase.
this must be a huge boost to Matt Weiner's ego
>>67893268
Don't you believe it. They make $1bn/yr in profit, they're the most profitable part of Warner by miles.
That's why people were dumb to dismiss Netflix, who have basically the same business model as HBO.
>>67893254
it was a point that didnt need restating
as i get older it becomes apparent scorsesse is really an empty vessel. nothing of substance. hes like the best music video director in the world, theres no creativity at all its just the topics are always "lol crime is cool right? WRONG ;) but still its cool right?"
>>67892736
this. Show is trash
Of course people here are defending this terrible show that spells the death knell of what was once the greatest television channel ever while asserting their superior intellect. Of fucking course.
If they wanted a ratings boost they should have shown Olivia Wilde's actual pussy slit not some giant piece of masking tape with a cat stuck on it. (desu)
>>67892158
Vinyl dull and boring as shit.
I dont get how anyone at this point watches that junk
>>67892158
Best show on television right now. Pleb fucks can't into it because they don't like 'muh dadrock'.
>>67893308
>creator of Sopranos retarded cousin
>>67893403
Vinyl is everything but dull and boring. Better Call Saul fits that description more
>>67893379
...Explain.
>>67893303
>mad men
Isn't the 70s
The 70s are the worst decades of the 20th century. Literlaly base a show on any other decade and it would be better.
No one wants to here 70s songs, Jesus chist kill me, I am almost 40 and it's been boomers reminiscing the 60s and 70s non stop my entire life.
>>67893485
they are both boring and dull
>>67893515
Don't watch the fucking show if that decade makes you this asshurt
>>67893283
I love period dramas.. I really like Outlander and that entire season cost less than vinyls pilot and it gets 50% of the ratings..
>>67893486
Olivia Wilde did a 'full frontal' scene with a massive merkin.
>>67893515
it's just the same formula as mad men. in fact this BWE all over again: throw a bunch of stuff together and hope they work.
>>67893515
>No one wants to here 70s songs, Jesus chist kill me, I am almost 40 and it's been boomers reminiscing the 60s and 70s non stop my entire life.
lesbehonest it was the primetime for young liberal people. money was everywhere. the west ruled the world so the dollar was strong and gas was cheap and globalism hadnt taken hold so property was cheap without international competition. and all the drugs and booze and free love and shit.
those motherfuckers won the LITERAL lottery of the luckiest generation of ALL TIME and theyre still sitting lucky at the top
unreal
Hopefully it's the beginning of the end of these insanely expensive vanity projects. At least GoT has a good reason for its budget, they use it to do shit that would otherwise be impossible on TV.
It's a sad fact that some of The CW's shows are more creative than HBO's bullshit and they clearly have a tiny budget.
>>67893224
That's because the plebs on here are busy watching TWD while telling themselves they're only watching it ironically.
>>67893658
they also make serious returns on GoT but they're in panic mode because it has 2 seasons at most left and there's nothing in the pipeline that looks to be even 1/10th as big
>>67893485
Let me guess you are also very active on twitter.
You guys are so predictable holy fuck
>>67893658
Sounds like it's related. Why try when you can get big names and make it look pretty.
TIME TO BRING BACK ROME
SEASON 3: JULIUS CAESAR'S REVENGE
>people actually watch Vinyl
it fucking sucked
>>67893700
I don't use twitter and I don't see why that is relevant.
>>67893722
they should make anime.
>>67893724
Go watch your pleb show and whine about 'muh Negan'
>daily reminder that HBO passed on breaking bad, preacher and dark tower and probably countless others
>>67893763
That's because those things are for manchildren
>>67893763
To be fair to HBO, they likely pass on a ton of awful shit that either doesn't get made or ends up being garbage. I bet they were pitched basically everything at one point or anoither.
>>67893756
MUH DRUGS GUYS
WEEEEEEEEWWWWW
>>67892158
>The Simpsons in fifth place.
Christ, they are never going to cancel this are they? Who the hell is still watching?
>>67892793
Wait.
The most expensive episode, the one directed by Scorsese is the worst one? The one that is four times as expensive?
This should do as well as Luck did.
>>67893815
apparently people are still having kids
>>67893815
Only because broadcast ratings have collapsed on Sunday. Its ratings are shitty these days, it's going to end sooner rather than later.
>>67893756
>I dont like Vinyl so i must watch the Walking plebs
Try again faggot. Vinyl sucks donkey balls and you are a hipster for pretending to like it.
>>67893842
>Simpsons has been on long enough that kids who were ten in its golden years now have ten year-olds of their own who they show it to
>>67893826
>Luck
fucking HBO and their shitty production crew
>this shit show costs almost as much as Game of Thrones
How the fuck? Do they pay those producers a few million?
>>67893842
Then they should have their kids taken from them. I'd never subject my kids to that shit. There are so many better and well written shit actually for kids on tv right now, so why let them watch that garbage.
>>67893756
>>67893674
>>67893117
>>67892684
Yes these are all good reasons why Vinyl is good.
>>67893959
Having good characters and dialogue is what makes Vinyl good.
>>67894021
I'll bite, one example of good dialogue or a character that hasn't been seen countless times before?
>muh music
>muh drugs
>muh degeneracy
Jesus Christ Jews are so disconnected from the real world. These kikes need to all be physically removed.
>>67894021
>Having good characters and dialogue
Exactly when does this start? Watched the first and half episode before it was so boring I dropped it.
>>67894075
>something can't be good if it's reminiscent of something else
Newsflash: there's not a single character in fiction that doesn't harken back to some trope
>>67893166
What was wrong in development of leftovers? The show is fucking great.
>>67892158
HBO was suppose to debut Westworld this year but that got delayed again. The only decent shows they have are GoT, True Detective, and The Leftovers. True Detective had a shit S2 and Leftovers only has 1 season left because of low ratings. Has Netflix officially surpassed HBO?
>>67894203
So no examples? No twists on classic tropes? Three-dimensional characters that can't be summed up in a few words? Just lazy regurgitation of rock star/business man cliches? Got it.
>>67894312
Not in quality, not yet. Netflix has volume now is all.
But my hopes are not high for westworld.
this will be HBO's saving grace
>>67894309
Production was shut down after six episodes after the show wasn't coming out right:
http://deadline.com/2014/04/hbo-the-leftovers-to-go-on-hiatus-713251/
>>67894312
Netflix has only had one show that can be considered great.
>>67894309
Leftovers sucks, and fits right in with Vinyl, Game of Thrones Season 5, and True Detective Season 2.
>>67894378
There's a difference between Netflix and HBO. HBO only makes "prestige" shows, whereas Netflix makes every type of show to try and appeal to all different demographics.
>>67894408
Making a Murderer was pretty dank, I agree
>>67894408
What show is that pray tell?I love OiTNB but it's more of a guilty pleasure
Bojack Horseman?
>>67894385
Thanks for info
>>67894414
Give me a reason why it sucks.
>>67894408
Ehh, the last few episodes of Kimmy Schmidt weren't fantastic.
>>67894432
People can shit on the quality of those netflix originals but I've found myself enjoying those a lot more than most of hbos output these days.
>>67894312
>Has Netflix officially surpassed HBO?
No, but FX is getting there, the only ones putting good stuff every year
>>67894408
We've found the faggot that loved Grace and Frankie
>>67894517
I honestly think they're mostly good, and have much wider variety than HBO. The only shitty thing is the tiresome Love/Master of None/Flaked hipster comedy bullshit. They really didn't need to make all three.
i am going to watch this solely for Juno Temple
Will i regret it?
>>67894579
>i am going to watch this solely for Juno Temple
Why? There's porn on the Internet.
>>67894479
This will invariably cause apoplectic sycophants to crawl out of the woodwork and start yelling, but it's a show that pretends it's a melodrama and isn't propelled by half-formed and inconsistent mysteries and world-building that doesn't even function properly as a melodrama let alone a meditation on religion.
Girls is straight up better than Vinyl.
The new cool guy tv formula of having a tortured soul character with a cast of famous movie stars/old actors who rely on meme appeal to get by with generic and stale cinematography is being forced so hard by top tv execs right now and I can't fucking wait for them to realise it only werks if you have an intimate main cast with a plot that revolves around them instead of the other way round.
True detective (arguably the show that popularised this) is the best example of this new formula.
Season 1 was great until like episode 5 (that's because Pizza isn't a good of a writer as he thought he was and some would say corey gave his script the dramatic push it needed to make it look better than it was but whatever) whereas season 2 was a complete piece of shit due to just following the aforementioned formula 1:1.
Again , Fargo season one was loved by plebs just because the formula felt fresh to them. On a rewatch (or first watch if you're patrician) the dialouge is cringy , the cinematography is good but nothing we haven't seen before , the actors are decent but mainly watchable because 'woah it's that midget from the hobbit and the guy from bad santa! I used to love them when I was a pleb at 16 but now i'm a grown up who watches HBO shows so they must be good actors if they're on HBO!'
The cinematography felt boring from the get go and season 2 solidified the doubt many had after watching the show and for the future of television.
Says what you want about Lena Dunham. Say she's a cunt , i'll agree with you 100%. But she knows how to write a show that captures real intimate drama and right now that's what matters.
>>67894687
>meme appeal
stopped reading there
learn to communicate in english instead of buzz words son
>>67894408
I know you're talking about Love
Good taste detected
Because Vinyl is a bad show with too many historical inaccuracies for people to like it.
>>67894702
Replace it with modern day psuedo nostalgia or their current place in the despicable cultural zeitgiest that has formed around pandering
>>67894722
>historical inaccuracies
Jagger and Scorsese probbaly have a better understanding of what went on in the music scene in the 70's than you
>>67894385
man, that link is from 2014, when they were making season 1.
they are making season 3 now
http://www.bustle.com/articles/129197-hbo-renews-the-leftovers-season-3-but-theres-a-catch
it will be the last season
OLIVIA WILDE'S HAIRY PUSSY
>>67894600
>I think I will eat porridge for breakfast
>WHY HAVE PORRIDGE WHEN YOU CAN HAVE STEAK?
This is you.
>>67894687
I think True Detective season one stuck the landing and don't agree with your use of the words meme and pleb but otherwise you are 100% correct amigo.
>>67894702
>son
stopped reading right there
>>67894687
IS this a copypasta? I'll keep it brief just in case it is and I don't want to embarrass myself
Everyone thought Fargo would be a joke because of BBT, turns out he's an amazing actor.
TD season 1 was great shaddup
>>67894808
>there
Stopped reading at that point
>>67894687
The real problem with Girls was that it was obnoxious as fuck and the critics gave it endless breathless disproportionate over-the-top attention to the point it was obnoxious.
>>67894687
Fuck off, Lena
>>67894815
Fargo is a fucking joke, just like Better Call Saul and The Leftovers. The holy trinity of shows people latch on to in order to sound smart.
>>67894756
They have jack shit to do with the show. Their names are just on there to sell it to normies.
I've talked to music producers from the 70s that pointed out multiple instances of bullshit.
>>67894566
Those all basically had shoestring budgets though, I can't fault them for volume when there's not much money at stake compared to the hundred million they staked in s1 of marco polo
>>67894881
According to interviews they're both very involved in the shows writing
>>67894815
Just wrote that off the top of my head. Thought i'd throw in some meme words to allow you mongoloids to keep up.
Should I re-write it with real words instead?
>>67894815
It really wasn't. Compare to ANY good show and you'll see how shallow it is
>>67894851
It's inherently 'obnoxious' due to the setting. 4 girls in jew york being so fucked up by the state of their own miniture paradise that they end up doing degenerate acts and being unhappy despite having no 'real' problems such as being broke or being molested.
But if you don't watch tv/cinema to see how people who aren't you live and breathe then why do you watch tv?
>>67894876
I agree.
>>67894929
Like I said, it's just to get normies to watch it, which clearly isn't working.
Don't believe everything you read, especially in interviews designed to sell a show.
>>67893224
i disliked woows and like vinyl
but for different reasons, woows felt like american pie pretending to be anything else, vinyl's an hour long music video and imagine-nostalgia machine and im kind of enjoying this
Vinyl is a fantastic show
>>67894851
Obnoxious or not it is still one of the most interesting and well made shows airing currently. I'm not saying that's a great thing, and God knows I'm not expecting people around here to agree with me, but it often has more to chew on thematically and stylistically than 90% of what's on right now.
>>67894949
>It's inherently 'obnoxious' due to the setting
Nah, you've got similar shows that aren't full of irritating characters and have actual jokes (e.g. Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, Master of None).
The real problem with Girls was always the breathless press attention, not the show itself. The show was finely tuned for the demographics of privileged critics to adore it and everyone else to find it just fucking annoying and empty. There's a reason its ratings are super shitty.
The last three episodes of Vinyl have all been GOAT. Especially the one that focused on Zak and Richie. Cannavale and Romano should both win emmys
>>67893102
Go back to bed tyler durden
>>67894949
>But if you don't watch tv/cinema to see how people who aren't you live and breathe then why do you watch tv?
To see the infinite reach of human imagination.
If I want to see how people who aren't me live I can go to a bar or a rave or a alcoholics anonymous meeting
(desu)
>>67895067
i dont get what was the point of showing zak can fuck up too
richie still is a fucking idiot
>>67892736
>Current year
>Being a critic to give a Scorcese directed pilot a thumbs down
>>67895107
Zak didn't fuck up. Did you miss the ending of that episode? Richie stole the money and gambled it away
>>67892158
>What has gone wrong at HBO?
How did it affect subscriptions though?
>>67895066
>ratings are shitty
>same views as a show that has just started airing with twice as much press , twice as much critic bait etc
Must be doing something right. Have you even watched the show? I'm caught up on both girls and vinyl so my opinion holds some weight.
Plus you know i'm not a proper spastic
>>67895089
>to see the infinite reach of human imagination
So you only watch fantasy movies? Sounds like you don't like stuff that actually happens in reality , what with that inane comment about you going to a bar.
>>67895144
I don't know, when the girls heard about their cash from the plane they exchanged looks. I assumed richie decided it's better he takes it than let them steal it and make zak feel like shit i one stroke.
>>67892158
Nothing it just costs a lot to filter plebs
>>67895178
That's a silly reach and your comments are ridiculous and self important.
>>67895231
Yet you can't dispute them. Begone!
>>67894408
Yeah, Daredevil is pure capekino. Agreed.
>>67895066
The show is about often annoying and irritating characters largely dealing with emptiness and lack of self-awareness. You can argue about how entertaining a show with that subject matter can be, I'd argue very, but dismissing the show with those adjectives is not much of a valid criticism.
>HBO once had The Sopranos, The Wire, Curb, Six Feet Under, Sex and The City, Carnivale, Entourage, Oz on at around the same time
what a fall from grace
>>67893102
Fair to say
>>67895595
They had all that and no competition. Game of Plebs is still probably financing all their fuck ups.
How does HBO earn money again?
Just from subscriber fees?
>tfw pirated every good show HBO aired
>>67893658
I fucking hate everything on the CW
>>67893658
>>67895821
Yeah HBO is in shambles but saying the CW is more creative is still a highly questionable statement.
>>67895869
their writing department sucks and they only cast cute girls and hot guys rather than good actors but their "pitch" and idea guy is working to keep things variable
>>67895530
Girls largely appeals to upper-middle class "creative" LA/NYers who can relate. To anyone else, it's tedious naval-gasing which is not satirical, clever or entertaining, because everyone knows these sorts of people are vapid self-centred pieces of shit.
But that's fine. The problem is that the narrow brand of upper-middle-class creative LA/NYers that dominate the media were vigorously masturbating over how clever and original and amazing it was.
>>67894949
But Girls doesn't have a handle on reality. You're seeing Lena Dunham's sordid fantasy.
>>67895894
The CW has slowly but surely stopped casting ridiculously gorgeous actors who couldn't act for shit. iZombie/Crazy Ex-Girlfriend/Jane the Virgin are all pretty fucking amazing and don't have those problems.
>>67894851
Girls is a good show
>>67895952
You seem to be ignoring the fact that the show expressly shows the characters being vapid self-centered pieces of shit. There is a large element of navel-gazing (what art isn't) but at the very least the show is aware of this fact on some level. The amount of self-awareness Lena Dunham has seems to be a constantly moving target but the show consistently has effective storytelling, realistic character moments, and interesting thematic content that you can interpret in different ways. It's an inconsistent show a lot of the time, but it hits the mark more times than it doesn't and when it does it is better than the vast majority of television on right now.
>>67892158
Reminder
>>67896564
>entourage patrician
>the wire pleb
come on
>>67896205
No, I've acknowledged that fact. You're missing my point, which is that isn't interesting or entertaining to people outside of a narrow bubble, it's just tiresome, obvious and obnoxious.
It's a shit drama and a shit comedy.
>>67896564
>entourage
>>67895894
This, everything on cw is a fucking soap opera
>>67892542
Bobby Cannavale is not a big name. Not for anybody. The dudes been a supporting actor his whole career and not a good one like Bernthal.
>>67892158
I tried watching this with my family but we couldn't make it past the first episode.
>>67896564
The wire as pleb? Your crazy
>>67896564
Life and Times of Tim for patrician tier please
>>67896745
Compared to David Simon's other projects it's pleb as fuck.
>>67896564
>boardwalk empire
>pleb
Fuck no
>>67896564
You need to add John Adams to patrician.
>>67896766
Homicide: Life on the Street is his most pleb work you retard.
>>67896626
And I'm saying that at a bare minimum it's interesting because it is an unfiltered look into said narrow bubble. And a lot of the time is portraying that narrow bubble with all the disdain you seem to share for it. You may not like it but it's anything but obvious.
>>67896205
I'd agree with most of this but for me the characters are repellent to the point where I found the show hard to bear.
>>67896792
He didn't have that much to do with that, it was based on his book and adapted by others.
>>67893815
FOX probably makes more money off FXX reruns than actual new episodes. Same with Family Guy.
>>67892587
half of the budget went to olivia's nude scene
>>67896855
That's a fair enough point. I find that a show with repellent characters (that's done well) can be refreshing and although most of the protagonists on Girls behave abhorrently there's still a level of nuance and subtlety to their twisted thought processes that makes the characters believable. The show gets ragged on for being out of touch but the way the characters act on this show is much closer to reality than most.
>>67897090
Half the budget went to the construction of her giant merkin. I heard she demanded it be made from the first pubic hair of many thousand hasidic jew preteens.
>>67896044
>iZombie
iZombie is fun schlock. Also they cast beautiful actors that have so much charisma and fit well together but they're still bad actors.
>>67895795
HBO struck a deal with Amazo Prime to license some of their 10+ year old shows for a cut of the profit.
>>67896044
>what is "The 100"
>>67897125
Accuracy in lieu of either celebration or condemnation but I really did find myself becoming angry bearing witness to it.
Fuck it. Maybe it really is generational/self condemnation from Dunham or maybe she revels in it. It's very hard to tell and I suppose even that on its' own more than qualifies it as being worth watching. Gonna have to revisit. No pain no gain.
>>67896564
Switch the wire and entourage.
Robert Plant casting in first ep was excruciating.
>>67897583
Season 5 episode 2 of Girls is easily one of the best tv episodes of the current era of television , trust me.
>>67896564
ITS CALLED SIX FEET UNDER
WATCH THAT SHIT, PLEB
>>67897583
The show has really turned into a series of vignettes lately so it bears sticking with it even if you aren't feeling a given episode because the highs are really high.
>>67898309
Peter Grant wasn't so bad at least.
>>67892158
I watched the fIrst episode and it didn't grip me. MIght download it when it's done, it reminded me of a edgy Nashville
>>67898372
SFU had one great season and four seasons of increasingly over-the-top and tedious empty melodrama and then a decent final season.
Shit, even the Wire wasn't that popular when it was on the air. Give it a little time and Vinyl will be regarded as an HBO classic.
It's largely dependent on how this season plays out though. I'm going to be so mad if Richie doesn't catch at least ONE break before the finale.
>>67892793
It was just too damn long.
I'm surprised more people didn't tune in after the Olivia Wilde nude scene last week.
>>67899319
Am I the only one that LIKES 2 hr long pilots? Feels like a mini movie senpai.
>>67899255
The Wire is basically unique in having a massive jump in hype and popularity after like 4 seasons out of nowhere. That's unlikely to happen again.
>>67899374
The only other I can think of right now is BSG. Which I liked.
>>67899463
Lost? Fringe? Terra Nova (kek)?
>>67899374
Depends how is handled. If it ends in sequel bait, fuck it
