So why did the critics hate it?
It wasn't because of the script. The Dark Knight trilogy had one of the most horrible scripts of all times and yet it is well regarded.
It wasn't because of some poor choreographed scenes because TDK trilogy and Marvel movies (with exception of Winter Soldier) had bad choreographies.
The acting and casting was fine with exception of WW, Ben was really good.
So what was it?
Why don't you read the fucking reviews you pathetic manchild?
Too dark and too sad and too dull.
>>67838111
>had bad choreographies
Learn how to become literate and then come back
>>67838111
Same reasons they hated Man of Steel. The tone is all wrong for a movie starring Superman.
>movie is called Batman vs Superman
>fight lasted like 2-3 minutes
gee I don't know, maybe cause they tried to fit in 5 different stories from the comics that turned the entire thing into a clusterfuck?
>>67838111
>The Dark Knight trilogy had one of the most horrible scripts of all times and yet it is well regarded
This is what Snyder fans actually believe
At least the TDK films had a beginning, middle, and end
BvS was a complete mess
All the critics were hyped for the film and it didn't live up to their hype, so they shot it down. Simple.
It wasn't a disney movie
>>67838111
Read the reviews yourself you illiterate man-child faggot
Maybe come to some of your own conclusions and post about that instead of shitting all over this board?
Fucking Neets, I swear
>implying there is any living man who could successfully write a film that includes both the Death of Superman and The Dark Knight Returns
>The Dark Knight trilogy had one of the most horrible scripts of all times
Says a lot of about BvS and even MoS script then.
>>67838111
>We drive the Warners crazy
>Our trains are filled with gravy
>Sell tickets on the daily
>To women men and babies
>Mickey Mouse and Marvel
>Will take over the whole world
>Snyder, take a ride or we will fuck you with our Spider
>>67838577
This. They wanted something from their childhood to be reborn for their children (strong nostalgia, sups greatest weakness).
i think the difference is that the dark knight captured a zeitgeist of its time. it was a movie about the emotional feeling of the waning days of the bush presidency in america. american audiences were realizing the fatigue of a perpetual war on terror while a major economic depression was hitting the country, and the dark knight really captured the public's feelings of regret, anxiety, fear, vengefulness and desire to move on. It suggests that there's no easy answers to terrorism, corruption or hatred, but demonstrates that striving towards maintaining one's moral dignity is the better option even if it means death. Say what you want about the screenplay, but the film was a complex take on these very period-relevant themes.
In comparison, Batman v Superman is an esoteric philosophical treatise of an Objectivist analysis of Christianity. Not quite the same.
On a side note, it's funny to think of TDKR being a story about a populist uprising against the establishment. If they actually waited the 8 years Baleman spends in hiding, it would have come out this year where it would have been way more relevant. I wonder how TDKR would resonate if it was released against Civil War this year?
>>67838752
>Stuff Suicide with bad jokes
>But the skwad is already broke
>Fans will throw a tantrum, already tried that with Green Lantern
>>67838111
>Superman has no emotions and doesn't give a shit about anybody but Lois Lane
>Batman is a murderous psychopath
>Wonder Woman has no muscles and doesn't know how to say lines
>Lex is a cringeworthy whiny pre-teen
>script is an incoherent mess of nonsense
>feels like an eight hour plus movie that was edited down
>feels like it wants to be six or seven different movies at once
>no discernible tone other than "dark"
>the title fight of the film gets cut short so they can punch a big brainless CGI pile of shit
>Superman's sacrifice means nothing because everyone hates him in this movie
Need I go on?
>>67838697
Yeah, unless it was about ten hours long. What were they thinking?
>>67838831
Armond White is that you?
>>67838831
Oddly, DKR came was released a few weeks after the beginning of "Occupy Wall Street." Obviously the timeframe for the making of the film does match up with the beginning of the movement, but it is interesting that the movie explored such similar themes more or less by coincidence.
>>67838852
>Superman has no emotions and doesn't give a shit about anybody but Lois Lane
Is that way he's constantly helping people and feeling torn and guilty about the unwated consequences of his actions and the ensuing negative reactions?
>Batman is a murderous psychopath
The Batman that didn't murdered anyone directly and only can only be accused of manslaughter much like Christian Bale in the previous movies?
>Wonder Woman has no muscles and doesn't know how to say lines
>Lex is a cringeworthy whiny pre-teen
Come on, man.
>script is an incoherent mess of nonsense
Somebody didn't payed attention to the screen.
>feels like an eight hour plus movie that was edited down
True.
>feels like it wants to be six or seven different movies at once
Just the sequel-teasers that were bad.
>no discernible tone other than "dark"
There are lots of uplifting moments.
>the title fight of the film gets cut short so they can punch a big brainless CGI pile of shit
It was never going to be a big fight.
>Superman's sacrifice means nothing because everyone hates him in this movie
Not everyone and everybody start to like him after his sacrifice.
Why does dark automatically mean bad again? We're people expecting this to be like the Avengers where the heroes are all cracking jokes while cities are being leveled?
>>67838111
2deep for the masses
>>67839258
>We're people expecting this to be like the Avengers where the heroes are all cracking jokes while cities are being leveled?
What's wrong with gallows humor? You plebs claim this is a "smart" movie don't you?
>>67839258
>We're people expecting this to be like the Avengers where the heroes are all cracking jokes while cities are being leveled?
Yes.
>>67839258
This. I love how people are saying superhero movies should be lighthearted when really the exact opposite is true. A movie involving a superhero necessarily involves a grave threat, usually to huge numbers of people. The only appropriate tone, the only tone that doesn't undermine the content, is dark.
>>67839258
You know why people like the quips? Because it shows confidence.
>those alien things terrorizing New York
>Cap makes a quip
That says to me, the audience, that he got this shit under control.
Because it's a muddled mess with no coherent storyline.
>>67839405
>That says to me, the audience, that he got this shit under control.
Exactly, which is part of the reason why the Avengers movies have no tension or any sense of threat whatsoever.
>>67839469
But we (at least I) don't go to see tension or threat. We go to see superheros do badass shit.
The 'critics' are just lazy. They know everyone likes the marvel movies so they dick ride them. They also remember how they 'helped' return spiderman to marvel and how they destroyed fan 4 stick. Maybe subconsciously they think that they will be rewarded for their efforts?
I don't know. The backlash seems strange. Maybe they all hate Snyder for some reason? Maybe they've always hated capeshit and know there won't be any reprisals for hating a cinematic universe that only has 2 movies and isn't owned by the larger entertainment company in the world?
>>67839405
But Superman had absolutely no control of the situation.
>>67839419
There's a story-line. You just didn't payed attention.
>>67839552
>Superman
>not in complete control
This is why it's a shitty adaptation.
Also, the fuck is with that texture on his S? The texture on the blue part is tacky, but acceptable, but having it on the symbol looks retarded. Someone photoshop it to be smooth.
>>67838852
>superman has no emotions
Did we even watch the same movie? What about his pain when the bomb happened? Or his sacrifice? Or when he talks to his mother? Or when he gets mad at the bat for being a vigilante? Or when he's scared shitless of them killing his mom?
Like the whole point was that even though he's human in feeling some people see him as an alien with the power to destruct everything. I mean the movie even has the fuckig martha scene where the bat REALISES this.
>>67839027
>>67838831
I think Nolan really tapped into society through his exploration of the modern psyche. He knew this was coming, and it was no incident that his movies foreshadowed what was to later emerge in our society. Brilliant man.
>>67839398
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallows_humor
zzzzzzzz
I think it's a massive case of "not muh Supes." It's a pretty shitty adaptation of Superman, he's almost nothing like his traditional character.
>>67838801
same reason why TFA, easily worse shit, dominated the box office
>>67839590
>This is why it's a shitty adaptation.
No, it's an interesting story about a man trying to live up to the super standards everyone is placing on him and feeling himself short of it and guilty about not people's expectations.
>>67839667
If your point is that Marvel is an example of gallows humor, you're out of your damn mind.
>>67839027
>DKR came was released a few weeks after the beginning of "Occupy Wall Street."
More like almost a year later
Still it's not the big of a coincidence once you realize that Batman is a right-wing superhero, it's natural that his enemies are anarchists or socialists
>>67839690
>It's a pretty shitty adaptation of Superman, he's almost nothing like his traditional character.
Perfect? The movie tackle precisely this. People place too much importance on their idealized version of Superman and then lash out when the man doesn't meet their expectations.
>>67839646
Ironically Snyder tapped in into the modern psyche too, and called out on it being cynical, instead of commending it like Nolan. Now look at the public's backlash.
>>67838111
Because Snyder doesn't know how to manipulate emotion.
He wanted a dark brooding piece, so he made the whole tone dark and brooding throughout. All good surely? Well no.
See, in the same way a horror builds tension then releases it with a scare? Good movies do that with all emotions. The 'comic relief' serves a necessary thematic purpose, because without moments to break tension there's no relief, just a boring slog.
When crtics say this was 'joyless', this is the issue they are aluding to. Snyder builds grim dark moods but never relents, never gives a glimpse of joy to make the melancholy matter. In the end, you just get a test of patience and endurance.
>>67839823
>>67839646
Nolan actually said to Snyder before filming BvS
>"Well, we don’t own these characters. When you’re done making Batman movies, someone else will [make them]."
Literally a minor theme in BvS is how no one ones these characters
>>67839552
Why did they give him flared sideburns?
Why did they enhance his high hairline instead of covering it up?
Why is his suit so dark?
>>67839938
>Why is his suit so dark?
Because it's heavy and weary.
Did Superman even smiled in this movie? Henry looks gorgeous smilling
>>67839590
It's not an S.
>>67840007
>I wouldn't do that if i were you, i have your mom
> Oh no!! :D
>>67840007
Smiling isn't realistic, Snyder was aiming for realism
>>67840033
Fuck off, it's an S. Human beings drew this super man called Superman and drew an 'S' on his chest so kids can recognise 'S' for Superman.
i feel bad for zack the hack. in 8 days he has to face all the actors and make JUSTice league after the shit storm
>>67840007
>>67840038
>>67840096
he did smile. remember when he gets in the tub with Amy Adams? how could he not smile?
>>67839104
>didn't murder anyone directly
Holy fuck there's at least 2 dude turned into pasta colanders because of the Batmobile/Batplane chainguns, and at least 4 dudes turned into pavement putty by crushing their cars during the Kryptonite chase.
>>67839702
So the movie was deliberatly shit to echo it's own protagonist. Bravo.
>>67840007
Why do people keep criticizing the film for that? I mean he does smile, but why do people act like he needs to?
>it used darkness to make people think it's deep
>the so called deep metaphors/symbolism was in your face obvious
>some of he acting was god awful
>the incoherent mess of a story
>"Martha?"
Nolan Batman was alright. Joker was the best part but it too had over the top dumb shit and boring parts. And yeah the third film was a mess/let down.
>>67840211
self-defense doesn't count
>>67840205
That was Clark, not Superman you dolt
>>67840211
this, but it did fit his character arc
>>67840211
>Holy fuck there's at least 2 dude turned into pasta colanders because of the Batmobile/Batplane chainguns
Shit just was unavoidable. This Batman doesn't directly kill, he just gently nudge things towards the death of others.
>>67838111
The way the Batman and Superman fight ends is really stupid enough to piss off almost anyone. And nothing that happens after the scene is particularly exciting enough to make you get over it. You just walk out of the movie feeling pissed off so you go home and write an angry review.
>>67840249
>the incoherent mess of a story
People keep saying this, but they never explain what they mean by this.
>>67840266
I thought they were the same person?
If Clark isn't Superman thenwho was phone?????"
>>67840304
>AAAAH THIS BATMANCHILD OBSESSED ABOUT HIS MOTHER HAD A PTSD ABOUT THE NIGHT OF THEIR MURDER
>STOP THE PRESSES
>>67840242
Not really a criticism, I just like to see Henry smiling
>>67840365
why is he so perfect?
>>67840242
It's Superman, not Batman. We want at least one nice dude, not two miserable cunts.
>>67840319
Over the past week it's been explained ad nauseum ad infinitum. You either ignored it or are baiting.
>>67839104
I was going to answer pretty much this.
Also: If you didn't understand the movie plot, maybe you're the problem. The movie is pretty explicit in that regard.
>>67840319
Gotham is beside Metropolis. Why wouldn't Superman have heard about Batman earlier?
Also why couldn't he have save Gotham since its across the pond?
Why did Lois put the staff in the water? And how did she know to get it?Why did Batman act like a wuss because someone else has a parent named Martha?
>>67840211
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psVIG7YvdjM
Grow up (and try to actually watch the movies)
>>67840397
>Over the past week it's been explained ad nauseum ad infinitum. You either ignored it or are baiting.
Yeah, that the story makes sense and that the majority of the people complaining about it either didn't payed attention or are just trolling.
>>67840397
you are why capeshit will always be capeshit. You want perfect sunny superman and grumpy batman. The irony is that the whole point of the film is how Superman isn't Jesus and if he were a real person would be just a guy trying to do the right thing and failing sometimes. We can't have that story because shitty people like you cry if superman doesn't smile and pick flowers 24/7. This is why Superman is the worst character in comics.
>>67840488
that's the kind of response a redditor would say
>>67840453
tbqh i think he is trolling, no one can be that retarded
>>67840453
So you ARE aware of the arguments then and have already formed an opinion. Baiting then.
>>67840266
>Superman we're dying! help us!
>'kay bro! I'm on my way! :D
>>67840357
I can understand how you can look at the scene and have it make sense but it's just frustrating to watch.
Turkish airlines
>>67840488
The character you described sounds really interesting, but it's not Superman.
Did Ma Kent put glasses on Clrk's corpse? Or did she leave the off, having the small gathering of 14 see him as Superman?
>>67840488
>you are why capeshit will always be capeshit
You say this like you watch actual film
>>67840580
You dont own superman.
>>67840428
>Gotham is beside Metropolis. Why wouldn't Superman have heard about Batman earlier?
Superman's came from Kansas and spent most of his life traveling the world. He has only lived in Metropolis for two years.
The scene where he meets Bruce Wayne he sees a commotion near his car and then ask who the guy was before even getting to really see that it was Bruce.
>Also why couldn't he have save Gotham since its across the pond?
Save from what?
>Why did Lois put the staff in the water? And how did she know to get it?
She knew that it was something that hurt her boyfriend. Then when she heard Doomsday's roar she feared that it could be kryptonian. You've to understand that in this world super-powers = aliens/kryptonians. That's Batman thought Wonder Woman knew Superman, because she displayed super-powers. He thought she was kryptonian.
>Why did Batman act like a wuss because someone else has a parent named Martha?Batman's obsessed about his mother and when Superman said that name his autism kicked in. When Lois showed up and explained the situation he had a PTSD where he saw himself as the murderer of his own parents. All of this gave him a chance to redeem himself by saving a "Martha".
>>67840428
It's not about martha you stupid fuck. Supes saying martha just made him stop because he didn't know what supes meant. When S explained he was talking bout his mom, batfleck realised that supes was just some dude with powers who cared for his mom and not an alien killing machine.
Jesus christ people don't get this basic in your face shit yet still have the nerve to say the plot didn't make any sense.
>>67840126
In my world it means hope.
He made the EXACT SAME FILM HE HAS BEEN MAKING FOR YEARS. It's the same visuals, the same themes if martyrdom, the same overdramatic bullshit over and over and over again. Sucker Punch wasn't a safe film, but that doesn't mean it automatically has merit, because on the whole it fucking sucks and there is little commendable about it.
Snyder takes characters and themes and, rather than building an experience around them, forces them to conform to his unbelievably childish/troubled teen worldview. He does not have the emotional or intellectual maturity to execute what he's trying to accomplish on the screen, because all of it stinks of pathetic teenage nihilism.
Snyder has a visual style which masks a wealth of ineptitude and consistently puts out mediocre films with heavy themes that trick people into thinking they're seeing something weighty when they're not. It's broad strokes of black with a thick brush and a heavy hand, and it's exhausting.
>>67840580
BvS is more about the man and less about the super.
>>67840580
>>67840688
Also, art is fluid. How many different comics are there? What is the "real" version of this fictional character? And why does it upset you and others so much to have a fresh interpretation? Do people just want to be told the same story over and over again?
>>67840488
>everything must be a homogenous mess
Yeah, it's awful having Superman being a symbol of hope. Should he struggle with it? Sure, but not be in constant boring despair.
Does Batman walk the line between psycho and hero? Sure. Is it cool to see him go full psycho, sure. Is it cool to see Supes a yin to his yan and draw him back? Fuck yes, but with something as contrived as MARTHA no.
You literally are blinded to what was already enduring about their dynamic in favour of newer is better and edgy teen angst is best.
>>67840733
This is pasta.
>>67840691
And he's finding out about Bruce Wayne now?
It's implied that the Riddler and Joker were doing evil things.
Ain't buying the last two though. Still rank.
>>67840740
Apparently yes. Snyducks want Watchmen. Again.
>>67840779
You do know that Clark only became Superman two years ago, right? And that Batman was retired, right? The movie establish all of these.
>>67840771
It's also true.
>>67838577
>Booooo it's not filled with one-line-jokes, I hate it.
Fucking idiots
>>67840806
Watchmen would be making Superman a detach God when in fact Superman in BvS is a very emotional and fallible person.
>>67840704
It's a contrived plot point that's used for the mains to connect for emotional purpose. It's a poor excuse that fanboys are saying is deep and introspective of humans. It's awful and doesn't work in the slightest. Considering Batman is shown as a guy who has no concern for people who do crime.
>>67840771
So is almost everything else that gets posted in threads like this by plebs like you
>>67840733
You clearly just cant understand or read nonverbal emotion. This film was chock full of it. The TDK trilogy was full of deadend nihilism and empty platitudes.
>>67838111
This movie was fucking epic. I seriously don't understand where all the hate comes from.
(I'm not even kidding, I enjoyed it a lot and I am not even a DCfag)
>>67838111
Terrible script.
>>67840740
If you actually bothered to read comics at all, you'd know that nearly since the Silver Age, back in the SIXTIES, Superman's characterization has been fairly consistent. He's a guy who was raised by wonderful parents who instilled a strong sense of right and wrong in him, and also gave him the impulse to help others. He does good for its own sake, he sees himself as more human than alien, and he has a very cheerful, sunny disposition. It has been this way for half a century.
And yes, I DO want to fucking see that Superman on the big screen. If Snyder wants to do something different, he can MAKE HIS OWN CHARACTER. His Superman isn't Superman, it's his own original thing stuffed into Superman's skin.
>>67840938
Agreed, much better than expected with all of the mixed reviews.
I've seen a lot of critics complaining about the trend in modern films of rebooting old for-all-ages movies as gritty and inappropriate.
They consider Batman v Superman the biggest and worse example of this trend. They genuinely thought that BvS should have been a lightheated and charming movie for all ages like the past Superman and - weirdly - Batman movies were. They include the Wonder Woman show in that too.
So really what we've here are just critics fighting a perceived trend in Hollywood.
>>67840924
JB?
>>67840740
It doesn't matter which is 'right', what matters is which is most consistant and satisfying. Snyder's interpretations while valid, don't satisfy some. They've seen what Snyder is trying to do, done better and with versions of the characters that resonate more.
It's not that Snyder's interpretations are invalid, they're just weak.
>>67840881
So was Dr.Manhattan.
>>67840911
>It's a contrived plot point that's used for the mains to connect for emotional purpose. It's a poor excuse that fanboys are saying is deep and introspective of humans. It's awful and doesn't work in the slightest. Considering Batman is shown as a guy who has no concern for people who do crime.
Batman wanted to hunt and kill Superman to validate his existence and mission. The "Martha" connection fucked him hard because he realized that he wasn't going the meaning that he so desperately wanted for his life, he was going to betray everything he stood for. Because in that context he was the man about to kill a young boy's mom. He was Joe Chill.
MAHAA the FRESH, Rotten Tomato reviews havealwaysbeencelebrated for their accuracy. There is a DC flop by Zack Snyder. Uninspired. By that same cinematic excellence. It's pannedbythecritics and like, the worst capeshit it's an incoherent mess, so Zack Snyder...
>>67841075
You know you just proved his point.
>fanboys poor excuse
>"Joe Chill", Fanboy
>>67840958
>He's a guy who was raised by wonderful parents who instilled a strong sense of right and wrong in him, and also gave him the impulse to help others. He does good for its own sake, he sees himself as more human than alien, and he has a very cheerful, sunny disposition. It has been this way for half a century.
That's exactly the guy in the movie. He has a sense of right and wrong, he does good for its own sake and he sees himself as the small boy from Kansas. He's just doesn't know how to deal with his own limitations and the expectation people place unto him.
You problem isn't with his personality, but rather with his situation. You want a Superman that can solve any problem and save everybody. This Superman can't. He can be everywhere at once, he can't be there always on time, he can't predict all the consequences of his actions and he can't always resolve the problem. He's not your idealized SUPERman. There are no absolutes here.
![Superman-depressed-e1326642394953[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ywYDB7q.jpg "Superman-depressed-e1326642394953[1].jpg")
>>67840958
>not muh Superman
This is the problem with capeshit. It's fucking cancer. Do you honestly think there is only one right interpretation? There is none. Superman wasn't born a boyscout. "But..But muh Superman is the right one" It may be so but your interpretation may be the wrong one for another comicfag. The problem with capeshit is that it's not like a book where there is one version of a character or one writer on the wheel. Filmmakers have to try and choice one out of many Supermen and for every choice they will always be fucked because it will never be muh Superman. Capeshit is dead. Bury it.
>>67838852
No, just kill yourself you giant faggot.
If you can't understand Capekino you should probably not try to talk about it
>>67839104
>Is that way he's constantly helping people
Looking bored while doing it
>and feeling torn and guilty about the unwated consequences of his actions
When was this scene?
>The Batman that didn't murdered anyone directly and only can only be accused of manslaughter much like Christian Bale in the previous movies?
He had GUNS on his car. Don't be a moron.
>Come on, man.
Non-argument disregarded.
>Somebody didn't payed attention to the screen.
Explain why Superman is on his high horse about Batman being a 'vigilante' even though he answers to no one, going so far as to smash a military satellite right in front of a general just to give him the finger. Explain why Lex wants to create a giant monster that will destroy the planet he lives on just to get Superman. Oh right, because he's craaaaazy! Explain why Batman instantly is best buds with Superman because their moms have the same name. Explain why Wonder Woman didn't come help during the incident in Man Of Steel even though she was happy to jump in during the Doomsday fiasco. Address those and I'll be back with about fifteen more.
>Just the sequel-teasers were bad.
Actually the whole movie was bad.
>There are lots of uplifting moments.
Name one. Superman helping people while looking depressed doesn't count. Neither does awkward humor.
>It was never going to be a big fight
It's the name of the fucking movie. It's what they're selling the film with. Don't make shitty excuses.
>Not everyone and everybody start to like him after his sacrifice.
It doesn't work either way. If everyone is unaffected by his death, they despise him, making his sacrifice meaningless. The other option is everyone basically saying "He's a dangerous alien who could kill us all he needs to be kept in check! Oh, he died? How sad. He's the hero we deserved."
The defense force for this shitty film is embarrassing.
>>67838111
terrible pacing, terrible chronology, terrible editing.
It felt like 2.5 hours of separate, independent 5 min trailers for different movies.
I can't believe this hack also made Dawn of the Dead 2004
>>67840409
Or maybe the plot was badly written and incoherent and you're just making excuses because you were hyped for this movie and don't want to admit it was a turd.
>>67841259
But that's just where this adaptation fails. Superman actually is able to do all that. There's a reason everyone trusts him and idolizes him, it's because he really is as good and great as people think he is.
On that note, it's absolutely terrible that anyone would hate and fear him. That's not in the spirit of Superman at all. People love Superman. EVERYONE loves Superman. DC's superheroes are trusted solely because of Superman. The only people who hate Superman are villains.
Charles will you ever develop some taste or even understand VA?
>>67841300
>He had GUNS on his car. Don't be a moron.
...like every batman since ever?
>>67841266
Maybe Snyder needs to make his own fucking superhero movie instead of making people angry about his take on beloved characters, then.
>>67841259
>Raised by wonderful parents
>Snyderverse
Pa Kent: "The faggots on the bus should drown drown drown!!" "STOP! Invulnerable child, I must die now or teh ebil men'll getcha."
Ma Kent: "They hate you, you don't owe them shit."
>>67839419
How about paying attention next time, faggot
>>67841292
And if you can't actually argue against any of the complaints with the film you should probably shut the fuck up you retarded neanderthal
>>67841327
Every character motivations are well explained, it's not a problem of the movie if you don't know how to listen (or read subtitles) and make conclutions from it.
>>67838111
>So why did the critics hate it?
Go read their reviews.
>It wasn't because of the script. The Dark Knight trilogy had one of the most horrible scripts of all times and yet it is well regarded.
It was and no, it didn't
>It wasn't because of some poor choreographed scenes because TDK trilogy and Marvel movies (with exception of Winter Soldier) had bad choreographies.
I don't know if anyone has made this comment in their reviews. There are hundreds out there, but the choreography was ok.
>The acting and casting was fine with exception of WW, Ben was really good.
Okay.
>So what was it?
A ton of reasons, from the script to the editing to the length of it. Everyone seemed to agree it was a disjointed, joyless mess and it dabbled in character assassination.
>>67839511
>implying there are no superheroes doing badass shit in BvS
>>67841449
>conclutions
AHAHAHAHA oh god stop, you're embarrassing yourself
>>67841300
>Looking bored while doing it
Not bored, disturbed. He's disturbed by people's adulation and adoration.
>When was this scene?
The Metropolis attack, Africa massacre, the capitol bombing, Did you watched the movie?
>He had GUNS on his car. Don't be a moron.
Rubber bullets.
>Explain why Superman is on his high horse about Batman being a 'vigilante'
He came back more brutal.
>Explain why Lex wants to create a giant monster that will destroy the planet he lives on just to get Superman
He doesn't care about anyone other than himself and he wants to feel power over Superman.
>Explain why Batman instantly is best buds with Superman because their moms have the same name
He isn't. He felt the need to save Superman's mom.
>Explain why Wonder Woman didn't come help during the incident in Man Of Steel even though she was happy to jump in during the Doomsday fiasco.
She had abandoned Men's World and only through the movie's events that she felt compelled to finally after all these gives lend her strength once more.
>Name one.
The end.
>It's the name of the fucking movie.
The movie is about Batman having issues with Superman. The fight doesn't have to physical.
>It doesn't work either way.
It does. They were moved by his sacrifice.
>>67838111
Dark Knight has Heath Ledger. Affleck was good but he wasn't that good. It was also a "turn your brain off bro" movie which stops most from thoroughly critiquing because it was "just dumb fun"
>>67841007
>this
>>67841337
So you want an idealized Superman in an ideal world. That's your personal preference and that's okay, but that doesn't mean that this Superman isn't a valid take.
>>67841392
They were good parents that cared for the son and the world. You're just too dumb to understand the nuance and intrinsics of human relationship.
>>67841505
Sorry, not a native
>>67841529
Affleck was as good a Batman as Ledger a Joker.
He just didn't have the script or characterization to carry it.
>>67840867
This is basically it.
I thought it was the best capefilm in years.
>>67841529
>It was also a "turn your brain off bro" movie which stops most from thoroughly critiquing because it was "just dumb fun"
I really wasnt.
>>67841529
>It was also a "turn your brain off bro" movie which stops most from thoroughly critiquing because it was "just dumb fun"
What the fuck are you talking about? One of the main criticisms of this movie is that it's not "fun"
>>67841374
>>67840958
What the hell is wrong with you fanboys? I get it. Zack is a shit director. But comicfags are always acting like he's some horible fucking person that rapes babies and burns comicbooks in a bonefire as he rapes Frank Miller and makes Grant Morisson cry.
Do you realize tat at the end of the day, you are arguing about movie flicks that are bases on picture books? You people make Barneyfags look decent.
>>67840704
This
>>67841581
Yes, it actually does, that's why I stressed that Superman's characterization has been consistent for so long in the comics. A lot of comic book characters don't have a consistent characterization, so there is no one valid interpretation of them, but Superman isn't one of those characters. Superman actually does have a fairly consistent character.
Why do you think so many people are convinced Snyder hates Superman? People know how Superman acts and Snyder's Superman doesn't act that way.
Why do you keep making this thread?
>>67841581
See>>67841007
Clue's in the name, Superman. The ideal to reach for in a not at all ideal world. Why is this LESS valid than Snyder's version?
>>67841614
They missed the point of the Kents, Snyder turned them into paranoid and fearful shells.
This is WHY Snyders interpretation is weak, all he did was make them opposite, then tone it down a touch.
>>67841524
>Not bored, disturbed. He's disturbed by people's adulation and adoration.
You're projecting your own meaning onto the scenes in order to justify how bad they are.
>The Metropolis attack, Africa massacre, the capitol bombing, Did you watched the movie?
Yes, I did 'watched' the movie. He looked either confused, bored, or irritated in all those scenes. Henry Cavill is not he best actor and he was receiving basically no direction from Snyder about how to react to all this. We get no sense of who he is other than a Jesus metaphor. The one scene of him actually confiding in Lois consists of him whining about how no one likes him.
>Rubber bullets.
That was never mentioned in the film, don't make things up.
>He came back more brutal.
... What?
>He doesn't care about anyone other than himself and he wants to feel power over Superman.
That's retarded.
>He isn't. He felt the need to save Superman's mom.
Why? Why is this dangerous alien who could 'burn the place down' suddenly okay by Bats because he has a mom? Why in one scene is the entire motivation set up throughout the entire film thrown out the window? In what universe is this good filmmaking?
>She had abandoned Men's World and only through the movie's events that she felt compelled to finally after all these gives lend her strength once more.
That's retarded.
>The end.
Wasn't earned, came out of nowhere, everyone with a brain felt nothing. Moving on.
>The movie is about Batman having issues with Superman. The fight doesn't have to physical.
The issues have to make sense, and yes, there does have to be a satisfying physical confrontation in a movie called Batman Versus Superman.
>It does. They were moved by his sacrifice.
Even though they hated him and were afraid of him right before that. Makes no sense.
>>67841623
That isn't the only problem, I'm afraid.
>>67841712
>Yes, it actually does, that's why I stressed that Superman's characterization has been consistent for so long in the comics.
So is that the reason why in Geoff Johns' recent arc on Action Comics Superman failed in his plan to save Ulisses' dimension killing in the process trillions of alien life?
Because according to you Superman can't fail. His super all the time. But in recent comics he's constantly failing. Heck, months ago he had his secret identity revealed to the entire world and lost most of his powers. Are the comics wrong now?
Are the comic wrong, Jimmy? Tell me, Jimmy.
>>67841692
No, there's nothing personal, we're just criticizing him for his crappy filmmaking decisions. You're just a baby who can't take any negativity in your hugbox and should go to Reddit
>>67841791
>Even though they hated him and were afraid of him right before that. Makes no sense.
It's almost as if sacrificing your life to kill a rampaging monster can change people's perception of you.
you're a fucking retard
>>67841686
>>67841675
Talking about dark knight, not bvs. I'd call that "fun" but from overblown constant action instead of quips.
>>67841854
>hey, this rampaging monster sacrificed his life to kill another rampaging monster
"Thank god they had something personal that took them both out. It's a good thing we have no more aliens who could kill us all if they felt like it on our planet." - The Public
>>67841827
But Anon, none of that is about his Characterisation. Not same guy.
>>67841854
>implying the public even had any way of knowing what the fuck was going on in that giant explosion of electricity and destruction where no witnesses or film equipment could have even survived
You're the retard.
>>67841791
>You're projecting your own meaning onto the scenes in order to justify how bad they are.
Is that way the montage has a bunch of scenes with people treating Superman like a deity with him feeling visually troubled by this while a voiceover is played showing various musings of media-types discussing the impact Superman had on the world?
>Yes, I did 'watched' the movie. He looked either confused, bored, or irritated in all those scenes.
You're a terrible facial reader.
>That's retarded.
Whatever.
>Why? Why is this dangerous alien who could 'burn the place down' suddenly okay by Bats because he has a mom? Why in one scene is the entire motivation set up throughout the entire film thrown out the window? In what universe is this good filmmaking?
Did you ever stopped to think that Batman was projecting his own failings unto Superman? That he never stopped to think about Superman and instead only focused on his own issues and this mission? That in the end he finally realized that the very thing he was hunting, that he has ever been hunting, was the man that he had become?
>That's retarded.
Will this be your answer to everything?
>Wasn't earned, came out of nowhere, everyone with a brain felt nothing. Moving on.
Sorry, but i'm doubting that you've a brain, sir.
>>67842039
>monster starts wrecking the city
>monster dies
>superman dies with him
gee, I wonder what might have happened there
retard
>>67841921
But we're not talking about characterization here, anon. My point was that this Superman in personality isn't any different from the classic one. See >>67841259. He just isn't as perfect power-wise and that he fails. You or someone then said that then he isn't Superman, because Superman is great. See >>67841337.
Well, right now Superman in the comics Superman hasn't had a lot of success. So what's the answer?
>>67842039
So how would the public know to thank Superman for saving them from the Dragonball Z Cave Troll? Cause they seem thankful at the end.
>>67842047
>with him feeling visually troubled by this
This is the part you are claiming is there that isn't there
>You're a terrible facial reader.
Oh, my feelings are so hurt. He gave me nothing to work with.
>Did you ever stopped to think that Batman was projecting his own failings unto Superman?
I think this is what they were going for but they should have given us more than two seconds to feel the impact of that pivotal emotional moment before moving on to more punching and explosions.
>That he never stopped to think about Superman and instead only focused on his own issues and this mission?
Again, this makes Batman look like a psychopath, and also kind of an idiot.
>That in the end he finally realized that the very thing he was hunting, that he has ever been hunting, was the man that he had become?
Stop with this shit and just go write crappy fanfiction if that's what you want to do.
>Will this be your answer to everything?
No, only things that are idiotic.
>Sorry, but i'm doubting that you've a brain, sir.
Again, my sensitive widdle feelings are just reeling from your brutish assault. I may never be the same again. Now if only you could stand up to your mom the way you can to me.
>>67842149
That you're an idiot.
The other fellow said Superman is able.
Being able =/= Being Infallible
And you're saying this>>67840958 is the Superman we see in BvS...?
If that's what you truly believe, then I don't know what to say except your perception is warped.
>>67842091
>gee, I wonder what might have happened there
This is exactly what everyone in the movie would be thinking after the insanity that happened. What, they're going to take Batman's word that things went the way he says they did? I can imagine him tearfully growling about how this guy that he's had nothing but criticism for from the get go suddenly doing a complete 180 and everyone thinking some government agency payed him off.
>>67842150
>They were thankful at the end because there was a scene that showed them being thankful
Congrats, you've just come up with a foolproof argument against every plot hole ever. It happened because the movie said it did. The end. You're a real pioneer for manchildren everywhere.
>>67841764
>They missed the point of the Kents, Snyder turned them into paranoid and fearful shells.
No, he turned them into actual human beings.
Jonathan Kent care for his son and the huge socio-political and espiritual impact his existence could have in the world. He didn't had all the answers but wanted his son to understand the importance and responsibility he carried on his shoulders. For his son's safety and the safety of the world he opt to sacrifice his own life to give his son to make the right choice whenever he felt ready.
Martha Kent cares deeply for her son and suffers greatly to see her kid being hated and persecuted by the people despite only trying to do good.
You guys twist everything and only know how to shitpost.
>>67842231
>This is the part you are claiming is there that isn't there
No. It's the part where you apparently can't read nonverbal cues because you're probably on the autism spectrum.
>>67842321
>You guys twist everything and only know how to shitpost.
Pot calling the kettle black I'm afraid
>>67842321
Not to mention Jonathan wanted Clark to be Superman, he just didn't think he should do it until he was good and ready.
>>67842399
Stop projecting.
>>67842288
I said that the Superman in BvS is a good guy trying to do good, but that he isn't perfect and that he's troubled by his failings and people's huge expectations of him. Which is the truth.
For some reason that anon and you think that this is a travesty against the Superman character. That he should be able to do everything and hide his emotions with a grim on his face.
You guys want an idealized Superman. Superman in BvS can't be that. He's struggling against that very notion.
>>67838129
>read the fucking reviews
>>67842320
The military and other people were watching the fight.
>>67842439
>>67842321
I'm sorry you see it that way, but honestly I've read all your excuses before. That's all they are. Attempts to excuse weak characterisation that is just different for different's sake and a shallow veneer of depth you've fallen for.
>>67842399
Yeah, I mean look at how troubled he is here. He is just brimming with nuance and emotion.
>>67842479
>I'm sorry you see it that way, but honestly I've read all your excuses before. That's all they are. Attempts to excuse weak characterisation that is just different for different's sake and a shallow veneer of depth you've fallen for.
Do you want me to post all of Jonathan and Martha quotes from the movies and the context they happen in to disprove your bullshit?
>>67838111
>why is this bad
>it couldn't possibly be because of the reasons it's bad
WHAT KIND OF THREAD IS THIS
>>67842513
So you didn't actually see that scene, then? You just took one still from the trailer and thought that encompassed all of his facial expressions?
>>67838111
Because it was full of clunky symbolizm, it had almost no plot, and convoluted character motivations.
>>67842513
Get the entire video and not a production shot of the filming.
There's no dedicated Daredevil thread so I'll post this here. Fuck this show for keeping me invested every time I want to go to bed. Every fucking time I think, "this is the last episode for tonight," I end up watching another episode.
Also Marvel capeshit > DC capeshit
>>67842474
There was no evidence of that in the film. In fact, there are several very awkward shoehorned lines in which Batman mentions that the part of the city they're in is abandoned - no doubt a response to the criticism of the previous film that was similarly defended by autistic manchildren - so I can guarantee all anyone saw was a bunch of pink light flashes. And then that guy that they hated and felt terrified of was among the dead. Why would anyone care? Oh, right. Because the movie says they do. Nevermind.
>>67842551
>i didn't pay attention to the movie: the post
>>67842551
>it had almost no plot
What is "plot"? Not being a smartass. I'm legitimately curious as to what you consider a plot to be.
>>67842588
The military were watching the fight. They show up. Goddamn, man.
>>67842546
>>67842558
Why, so you can come up with more excuses?
>Yeah but this isn't the director's cut which is Snyder's TRUE VISION
>>67842592
honestly do your best to explain Eisenberg's motivation.
>>67842546
That's a very random assumption to make.
>>67842630
No, to prove your bullshit wrong and you know it.
>>67839104
>entire film was named after it
>"It was never going to be a big fight."
What?
>>67838111
The Nolan trilogy's scripts were full of holes, but they were on an another level from MoS and BvS.
>>67840167
>in 8 days he has to face all the actors
I think this might actually hurt Cavill's career. People are blaming his acting for the way Superman was portrayed in the film.
>>67842630
You're either trolling or are legitimately autistic. He changes his facial expression after the screenshot you just showed.
>>67842449
Then it's a bad adaptation.
>>67842592
>I think making excuses for the movie and seeing what I want to see is the same as 'paying attention'
>>67842671
It is called Batman V Superman. Now think.
I dont understand the hate. I get thinking the movie had too much going on (disagree but can understand it) I get thinking superhero movies are dumb. But the hate comes from people who think Winter Soilder was flawless. This movie improves on so much crap capeshit has been spewing out and it is completely shit it. The whole "didn't understand it" meme is completely true. The complaints about plot holes are in every thread but almost every "plot hole" is explained multiple times in the movie. People hate how Doomsday is created but does anyone even remember or ever knew who the aliens attacking New York in The Avengers?
>>67842039
lol what autistic overanalysis... there would be plenty of eyewitnesses anyway dude
>>67842449
Not idealized, strong.
I've read of Supermen who were just tools of the state, Supermen who became the state, SantaGod Supermen and Supermen ushering in Armageddon.
What they all had was a fall, an arc that showed how thy changed and twisted, as we watched in horror we cared.
Snyder wants the payoff with none of the build up, the fallen, Jaded Superman before we ever saw the shinging exemplar.
That's why his Superman, while just as valid as say Superman At Earth's End, is a weak attempt at best using the character. It's lazy, shallow, all fall no tall, all bang no build.
>>67842628
Where? When? Even if they had, how could they even tell what was happening in that mess of lightning and rubble?
>>67842657
So say you're at a friend's party. You look across the room and see your friend having an awkward conversation with someone. You can't hear what they're saying, but you know he's uncomfortable because of the facial cues he's giving and his body language.
Has this moment literally never happened to you?
>>67842525
You're obviously dedicated. It's hard when films don't match the hype isn't it?
>>67842696
>Then it's a bad adaptation.
Of what, exactly?
Like i said, the current Superman in the comics ended up killing trillions of aliens, caused the death of Lana's parents, had his secret identity exposed to the entire world and lost most of his powers which he tried to win back like a junkie running after a fix.
Is this your Superman?
>>67842660
No, so you can come up with more excuses.
>>67842701
I believe the answer you'll get is "Avengers doesn't have to be as good plot-wise because it's fun and doesn't try to be taken seriously".
A genuine masterpiece of symbology.
The critics are irrelevant in the new age.
>You aren't brave
>Men are brave
>>67842749
Of course it has? Cavill gave no facial cues, he just looks bored and depressed the whole movie.
>>67842814
>I state my opinion and provide no evidence or argument of any kind, therefore it must be objectively 100% true
Autism in action
>>67839552
I actually loved that scene.. the way supes wouldn't look at the guy because he might feel some guilt and because he did look at the guy he didn't see the bomb it was a great scene breh
>>67842816
What do you want me to tell you, m8? You can't read his body language. But of course, it's everyone else who's pulling shit out of their ass. It's your perception so it's obviously the true reality.
>>67842816
Heres some pics from the movie.
>>67842701
>almost every "plot hole" is explained multiple times in the movie
Blatantly false. The truth is that there are more plot holes than anyone can even keep track of. The script was a fucking mess. Why is it so important to you that people believe it isn't? What do you have such personal stake in?
>>67839258
Because DC has already done dark films. The problem is they were too successful.
The geniuses at WB think that dark = success in terms of DC superheroes, when that's only really true for Batman and a could of others.
>>67842869
He's clearly LOVING IT.
>>67842722
MoS/BvS Superman isn't jaded. His first outing was his big failure. Actually not saving his father was his defining failure. Throughout the whole movie he's struggling with his own physical limitations, the huge responsibilities and public opinion, and despite faltering a bit he still stood up and saved the day.
So i don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>Ben Affleck
Dropped like a tennis ball in a casual serve
>>67842771
I'm just tired of your stupidity.
Superheroes like Superman can't exist, because altruism doesn't exist They'll just end up drowning the horses.
>>67842858
>But of course, it's everyone else who's pulling shit out of their ass.
>I'm pretending I have a legion of people who agree with me that aren't there in order to win the argument
Here's an idea, start a thread asking what people thought Superman was thinking during those scenes. I guarantee you it will become a shitfest of people screaming at each other just like this thread is. Don't act like your interpretation somehow has more credibility than mine for no reason.
>>67842878
>There are sooo many plotholes
>I won't give you any examples but trust me. So many. tons.
>Now let me question your motives as if they're relevant
Are you fucking Donald Trump?
>>67842899
Here from courtroom for comparison.
>>67842869
That's a dude who's having the best time of his life. He's just basking the adulation. Pure Kanye moment.
>>67842965
so you legitimately think the man in >>67842869 pictures looks like he's comfortable? Like he's enjoying the people laying on hands like he's Jesus Christ?
>>67840733
You can replace a few words of this and it will accurately describe Ingmar Bergman
>>67842869
>What's going on?
>Who are these people?
>I'm uncomfortable
>My suit is riding up
>This is boring
>I want Lois
>>67842957
That scene was to show Clark's guilt over not being able to save everybody.
>>67842999
>>67843009
>>67843011
From the heliport, for new expressions.
>>67843009
I bet he won't answer and try to point another 'plothole".
>>67843118
And he can do happy too.
>>67842908
You know exactly what I'm talking about. Like everything else, this weak version of Superman is rushed. Snyder assumes we care, just because it's Superman. But he doesn't bother to build a troubled hero piece by piece, he builds an accident, an apology, a coincidence and a Death he did nothing to earn.
Snyder's Superman is a weak lazy interpretation, relying utterly on pre existing love. The gamble failed.
>>67838111
You know what actually funny?
People who actually read alot of graphic novels, not just the capeshit kind experienced the glorious 00s for graphic novel adaptations:
>Sin City
>V for Vendetta
>300
>Watchmen
>(arguably) The Dark Knight
Then what happens?
Robert Downey Jr makes capeshit movies go mainstream and suddenly a generation of normies think that all capeshit movies have to be one-liners and funny.
Im not gonna pretend like I didnt enjoy avengers 1+2, because I did. However, the MarvelEU basically created the illusion of how capeshit is for normies.
Then you get this generation of wannabe film critics who expect to see another pg13 version of RobertDowneyJr-man being so clever and get what a man who is essentially god does when encountered with 2 men who want him gone.
Its like people have forgotten 300 and Sin City and Watchmen (watch the DC), arguably the best comic book movies of all time.
>people are defending a movie with the most forced franchise building of all time
I'd really love to hear how you would defend that godawful labtop sequence.
alsoLuthor is out of place
Luthor has no real motivation
The soundtrack was terrible (playing Wonderwoman's theme music during the climax instead of choosing something appropriate for the climax)
Terrible cinematography (funeral scene looked like it was from a Ford Commercial)
>>67843148
But anon, Snyder's Superman don't smile. EVER. He's obviously grimacing.
>>67843148
But sometimes he gets told to do his job.
>>67843179
comics are terrible and Snyder is terrible
>>67838111
>Nolan films had horrible scripts
TDKR did, and lots of other problems, 1 and 2 were good
>>67843184
>I'd really love to hear how you would defend that godawful labtop sequence.
Literally nobody is. But to say that scene ruined hte whole movie is retarded.
>>67843169
>he doesn't bother to build a troubled hero piece by piece, he builds an accident, an apology, a coincidence and a Death he did nothing to earn.
I disagree. I think he's a very interesting character and i was moved with his struggles. I even cried when he died and lots of other people did too in the cinema.
>>67843218
Then what are you doing here?
Why even watch BvS?
Why not go watch genres which you enjoy?
Noone is pretending that these movies are aynthing more than entertainment.
>Superman Returns - 2006
>Man of Steel - 2013
Can't wait for the 2020 reboot. Hopefully they get someone who understands/likes Superman to do it.
>>67843186
To be frank, that's not the happiest look I've seen from an actor playing happy.
But here we see Clark all business.
>>67843179
/thread
>>67843339
I'll say this for Superman Returns, it looks a lot better after having seen the Snyder flicks
>>67843339
Why isn't that Superman smiling? Superman is all smiles, anon; a ball of fun. Why do you hate the character?
>>67843288
You cried because of a particular cadence and being faced with mortality.
You didn't cry for a character that's two shoddy films old, there's no way you could form an attachment so profound in such a short messy time.
>>67842970
The giant list of plot holes in BvS, many of which have already been mentioned in this thread at least once
1. Why did the people working at the Wayne building in Metropolis not try to evacuate during a full-scale destruction of the city by aliens until their boss said it was okay to evacuate?
2. Why does Superman feel he has the right to criticize Batman for being a vigilante when he himself is operating under no sort of jurisdiction and will literally smash a spy satellite right in front of a general of one of the most powerful countries in the world just to make a point?
3. Why - beyond generic lines about Gods and men and what not - does Lex Luthor want to kill Superman so badly that he is willing to create Doomsday and sacrifice his entire planet and himself just to accomplish this?
4. Why did Lex create Doomsday if he wanted Batman to kill Superman?
5. How did Luthor find the other JL members? How did he find Martha Kent? How did he discover that Clark Kent was Superman? How did he discover that Bruce Wayne was Batman? When?
6. Why did Batman no longer care that Superman is a dangerous alien capable of destroying the planet because their mothers have the same first name?
7. Why did Batman have a dream about things that haven't happened yet? He is a normal man without precognitive powers.
8. Why did Lois Lane throw the spear away for no reason? Didn't she realize they might need it?
9. Where was Wonder Woman during the entire Man Of Steel incident? Why did she not feel the potential destruction of the entire planet was worth her attention? What was she doing?
10. Why was Lex given access to both Zod's body and the alien ship?
11. How and why did Lex know how to do any of the things he did in the ship?
"It was explained in the comics" doesn't count. Neither does "It will be explained in future movies," because there's no way of proving or confirming that.
>>67843184
>Luthor is out of place
>Luthor has no real motivation
Luthor's the guy that place all the pieces and moves the plot.
His motivation was fucking spelled by the character several times. He projected his issues with his own father and God unto Superman. He believes that a person can be powerful and good at the same time and set out to prove this reasoning against Superman. He tried to complicate Superman and put everybody against him in order to make him crack. He also wanted to usurp Superman's power just like he did with his own father and company.
Just how many times will we argue about Lex's motivations?
>>67843179
but those are pretty bad, especially watchmen
>>67843387
WRONG!!!!Wait, no I mean right... God I want Spacey Luthor again....
>>67843339
Let's hope so.
>>67843239
I'm not saying it ruined the film, but it sort-of pokes a hole in all the goodwill defenders have giving this film.
Anyone pretending that Snyder was reaching for something "deeper" and more meaningful with all of the stranger choices in the film can't argue that the film had a HUGE corporate influence, that probably compromised most of the choices made in the making.
>>67843304
>Then what are you doing here?
I'm arguing that the movie is shitty
>Why even watch BvS?
I was curious
>Why not go watch genres which you enjoy?
I like all genres, and don't dislike wathing a shitty movie. Especially something that takes huge swings like BvS and misses
>>67843425
>He believes that a person can be powerful and good at the same time and set out to prove this reasoning against Superman
The guy created a war machine that destroyed the city and seemed to want to destroy civilization. Then he bragged to Batman about how there were powerful aliens on their way to attack earth
>>67843395
>there's no way you could form an attachment so profound in such a short messy time.
I did. His journey of self-discovery and his guilt-ridden life made me very attached to the character. He's just a good kid trying to be good, but the world keep conspiring against him.
>>67843339
Wait, it's seven from now anon... That's 2023, not 2020
>>67843500
>The guy created a war machine that destroyed the city and seemed to want to destroy civilization. Then he bragged to Batman about how there were powerful aliens on their way to attack earth
GET THIS: Lex doesn't care about others. When you finally understand that you'll understand the character.
>>67843500
>I'm arguing that the movie is shitty
Then you came to the wrong place.
Its like trying to convince a woman that romcoms are bad movies. Just because they arent Citizen Kane, doesnt mean they cant be good in their own genre.
>I was curious
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Let me get this straight, you actually went to see it despite not liking capeshit?
>>67843460
Not according to critics, which ironically are now 100 years later giving the same recipe bad reviews.
>>67843527
Well, good for you I guess. It's real dedication to lie on the internet to win an argument.
Tell you what, I'll concede. This Superman is just slightly more valid than Superman At Earth's End. Well done.
>>67843546
I'm talking best case scenario.
