http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/01/kevin-smith-batman-v-superman-actually-has-some-heart
>According to Smith, it takes multiple viewings to truly understand the film's deeper messages and the underlying motivations driving the actions of its characters.
Well shit...
I guess it really was literally 2DEEP for Marvel fans and critics.
Goddamn it. I don't know how I feel about this.
I loved BvS but who really gives a shit what Kevin
Smith thinks?
>>67800696
/tv/ autists figured it out straight away.
Also, Kevin Smith is a suck-up who genuinely didn't like the film but recants so he doesn't piss off WB.
>>67800736
The Studio, he obviously upset his paymasters
>>67800696
He's saving face. He's owned by WB since he is too closely tied to them through their marketing.
He's not just a random podcaster, and he can never be. Once you become a director, they own you, and control what you say.
>>67800696
>Hey Kevin, yes, it's Warner Bros. We're sending you a cheque right now for $900, but only if you go on record stating Batman v Superman as a hear-
>'DONE'
>>67800795
I really wish the industry would stop pretending Kevin Smith has any sway with anyone under 35
If ask your average 18 year old who Kevin Smith is they'll stare at you blankly
He's right. The film is deep and intellectual. Your average audience member isn't going to get it. For us with a brain, who can actually appreciate it, Batman vs Superman is a work of art, a true masterpiece of cinema. It is, by definition, capekino.
I'm guessing he got a call telling him he would never work at DC again if he didn't apologize.
>>67800696
Marvel must have bribed Kevin Smith to shit on BvS and then take back what he said so it looked like WB is the one bribing people. It's the only thing that makes sense
>>67800696
Nah man, Kevin Smith just realized that Warner Bros maybe wouldn't let him direct any more episodes of The Flash if he kept bad mouthing their latest blockbuster.
The movie truly is awful.
>>67800837
don't be a dick
>>67800696
>DC threatens to block any future Kevin Smith projects if he doesn't change his tune
>tells everybody that didn't like it to go watch it again
WE'RE NEVER GONNA HIT A BILLION DOLLARS
kek @ his backtracking
i guess the folks at DC who were paying him to shill it and suicide squad in the build up got on the phone to him
now its "guys you need to pay to see this movie multiple times" jesus christ
>>67800775
>implying martha sounding similar to mother wasnt intentional
capekino does it again
>>67800925
If you feel insulted because you "didn't get" Batman vs Superman, you should. Go back and watch it, and keep watching it until you like it.
>>67800696
>Tfw I loved his early movies and was a fan
Fuck, man, what happened? I even liked Strike Back.
>>67800696
>posting an April fools day prank two days later
reminder that batman's dad got him and his wife killed by trying to punch a gun wielding thief
>>67800975
i get what you're doing.
>>67801014
I'm trying to culture you and teach you to appreciate true art like Batman vs Superman.
>Smith phones Affleck
>dude I went to the preview, your movie suck
>I know but could you shut your whore mouth about it Kev?
>How about I first do a small podcast telling my true opinion about it, and then I go on supporting your movie?
>Deal. I'll send you bat-donuts bro.
>Deal.
>>67801009
"Taxi...! Taxi...! Goddamn it, let's go into this dark alley where there are no taxis to get home and there's literally no reason for us to be there."
>>67800775
I understood that as I was watching it, but that doesn't make the movie smart or impressive.
>>67800696
PLEASE GIVE ME A JOB WARNER BROS
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
>>67800736
Fuck that guy. He was tolerable when making lolweedbro-tier movies for the fans but I'll never forgive him for Tusk.
Plus, he shills so goddamn hard with disingenuous enthusiasm for everything he's paid to plug. He's irritating to listen to.
>>67801179
What? It doesn't need to? It just has to make sense?
You sound like a fucking child.
>>67800696
>After receiving numerous calls from industry insiders about his negative slant of the film, and threatening to black ball any future projects he may have, Kevin Smith recants his initial critique of BvS...
Who could be behind this?
He literally works for Warner Bros and one of his good friends is starring in the movie.
I don't know why anyone cares what this hack has to say in the first place. At least he's honest when he says that he's lower on the totem pole than even supreme dogshit auteur Zack Snyder.
>>67801179
>b-being smart and deep doesn't m-make it smart and deep
People are really trying their hardest now....
>>67800696
>>67800795
What studio? KS doesn't work for WB...
>>67800696
The check finally cleared.
>>67801657
He's working on the Flash TV series. It's the only directing work he can get nowadays.
He only said he found it's heart when he saw it with Jay Mewes that consumes all comic book relate shit and loves it.
Doesn't mean he still doesn't think the characterizations were off
>>67800696
wow, after two viewings key elements of the story are still going right over his head.
how?
>takes multiple viewings to understand the message
probably true if you're seven years old.
>>67800696
>film's deeper messages
hahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha
this middle class american is really thinking that he is smart
hahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahaha
Hey, I'm not Kevin Smith or anything, but I think he has a lot of really good insight on the film industry.
He realized that BvS is the only capeflick trying to be loyal to the source material and isn't self depreciating crap aimed at tumblrites, while waving around iphones onscreen the way Marvel is.
jesus christ, he really doesn't understand the point behind Pa Kent's mountain top story?
how is it possible to be this dense?
he needs to watch it sober next time
>>67800775
this damage control
>>67801879
>Kevin Smith
>middle class
Could give less of a fuck about the guy but he's smarter than you.
>>67800696
All I need to know is right here
>>67796816
The people have spoken.
>>67800696
>constantly fishing for good reviews, positive angles, anything to defend this tripe
>spend all day making damage control threads for this bullshit
>It doesn't change anything, the movie is still unworkable trash
>resort to posting Kevin Smith opinions, a guy who likes everything
Get a grip, retard.
>>67801179
It's just a response to "they're friends because their moms have the same? that's dumb". Not saying you have to like it.
>tfw you are so desperate for something to be good you have to rely on Kevin Smith backpedalling like a faggot after giving it a lukewarm review
Snydertards are the worst kind of human shit.
>>67801906
Deadpool was loyal to its source material.
BvS is Sucker Punch with the DC character pack DLC.
>>67801894
Nice try, Kevin
>>67800696
>capeshit
>gets an endorsement from le king neckbeard
>Nicholas Cage jpg.
you don't fucking say?
>>67800696
>Well shit...
>I guess it really was literally 2DEEP
It is a masterpiece so refined, no one could grasp it, not even DCucks. I as a former Marvel fan, finally grow a pubic hair and now I'm ready to praise this master piece as I walk into the adulthood and deleting my reddit account. I'm sorry /tv/ I was wrong, I'm sorry Mr. Snyder.
>>67802202
the funniest thing about it is that only people on this board and co have really dug into it, no other site dove as hard, all while the majority of those same posters weren't even trying to defend the movie but just understand it and explain it
>>67802247
>67802247
he's being facetious
>>67802247
The meme about this movie being praised in years might really turn out to be true... and it won't even take years. It boils down to the fact that it actually was over-performed and over-packed with everything, so you need time to consume it.
>>67802325
No I am not. I really got into the whole hating on this movie meme, but I guess it was the fact that I crossboard with /b/ and browse reddit that just made me want to meme for no reason.
>>67802332
>it actually was over-performed and over-packed with everything, so you need time to consume it.
which is something i kept saying even while people were calling me a shill. the movie is merciless .... with how it divulges information and it's demand for information recall from the viewer
>>67802332
Ok, Lucas. Every frame was just too good. We get it.
DU NU NU NU NU NU NU NU
BACK TRACK
BACK TRACK
FAT ASS
FAT ASS
BACK TRACK
NU NU NU NU NU NU NU NU NU
FAT ASS
DAMAGE CONTROL
>>67802371
Like if we even take just the batman from the movie... the memes... of batfleck sucking. Everyone compared casting affleck as a batman to Ledger being casted as a Joker but without a chance to turning it out like in his case. Everyone though that he will be a daredevil skinny lanklet nubatman. But he nailed the rough, brawler batman and even more so the Bruce character. He overperfomed so hard people well left so dumbfucked and pretended like they never doubted in afleck in the first place. But everyone did make fun of him.
>>67802332
nah it will have a little autistic fanbase like Man of Steel does but nothing more
>>67800696
>Kevin Smith is a weak-willed spineless fat slob
MORE NEWS AT 11
So his conclusion was that
>BvS doesn't have a moral
>even Deadpool had a moral (it's what's on the inside that counts"
>but BvS.... no moral
how embarrassing.
>>67802539
High art doesn't need "morals." This isn't a fairy tale. Batman vs Superman is a masterpiece. Every frame a painting. True capekino.
>>67801906
>BvS
>loyal to the source material
lol
>>67801906
top kek
dc keks talking out of their asses as usual
>>67802818
This is something I will never understand.
Ive read a few comics/graphic novels in my life when I was a kid. I used to like spiderman and batman.
Now Im 28 and havent read a comic in decades, yet I loved BvS.
I hated every single spiderman movie ever made, but BvS was incredibly entertaining.
If you dont like it then say so.
Dont pretend like your dislike makes everyone who disagrees with you a "dc kek".
I honestly think that /tv/ is literally worse than /pol/.
>>67802756
It's so dense, there are so many things going on in each scene. Because Lex is a funnier character than we've even had before, hopefully it will work.
The plot was a vehicle for the visuals. The innocence and brilliance of youthful perception. A love letter to our world and what is in it.
>>67802879
>Now Im 28...yet I loved BvS.
>>67802891
Agreed. Glad to see not every anon is a knuckle-dragging quipboy.
>>67802908
Let me guess. Youre too educated and your taste is too intricate to enjoy 2 hours of childhood nostalgia?
>>67802948
How can something that completely shits on every comic book I read as a child trigger my nostalgia? Zack Snyder raped my childhood.
>>67802948
You are goddamn right
>>67802979
>How can something that completely shits on every comic book I read as a child trigger my nostalgia?
>muh BATMAN DOESNT KILL
Ok I see the problem. At what age did they diagnose your disorder?
>>67800696
Smith is a huge Batman nerd. What he's doing now is what a lot of Star Wars fans did when Episode 1 came out. Mental gymnastics so that they don't have to think the thing that they love now sucks.
>Affleck and Smith are good friends
>Smith has a following of comic nerds
>Affleck tells Smith to change his mind about BvS and in exchange he'll dress up like Batman and fuck Smith's wife like he's always wanted
>>67802979
Zack Snyder created art. If you can't appreciate it, go back to Marvel and enjoy your quips. DC doesn't need the mindless masses.
>>67800696
Nice try mr.kikestein
I'm not falling for the jewish mindtricks
>>67800696
what a contrarian dick. he always has to defend the indefensible
>>67803062
>Hack Snyder
>Creating art
>>67803041
What sealed the deal is when Ben Affleck said he will even let Kevin Smith personally "prep the bull."
>>67803081
JUST LIKE US
>>67803087
Nice "meme," kid. Really fits your inferior, common tastes in movies.
>>67803114
>Being a Hack Snyder fan
Really fits your inferior, awful taste in movies.
>>67803032
kevin smith said episode 3 was better than empire before people saw it
he's a shill and a fucking idiot who got lucky
>>67800696
FUCKING A. I know I'm crazy, but I'm not that crazy. This film is pure fucking gold.
>>67803157
>"heh, i'll meme again with 'hack synder' while repeating what he said to me"
>>67803062
>Zack Snyder created art.
lol
>If you can't appreciate it, go back to Marvel and enjoy your quips. DC doesn't need the mindless masses.
capeshit is capeshit, marvel or dc or dipsknees.
fucking hipster man children pieces of shit
>oh i read the comics comics comics i'm so fucking alternate cool wee i'm glad hollywood finally caters to us nerds heheheheehe
fucking kill yourself.
>>67800696
Obviously the jewish machine applied pressure on Kevin to change his tune and fall in line.
>>67803212
I'm not memeing pham
It's not wrong to like Hack Snyder movies t b h....I mean I love Troll 2 and watch it from time to time
>>67803248
If you can tell the difference between capeshit like Marvel and capekino like Batman vs Superman and Watchmen, the fault lies with you.
>>67803288
Wachmen is awful
Bvs is subpar
Move on please Snyder autist
>>67800775
None of that bullshit belongs in a super hero movie though, that's exactly why it got dumpster'd at the boxoffice.
>>67803449
Basic drama doesn't belong in a superhero movie? This isn't complex stuff, it's just solid writing.
>>67803254
Yeah, they applied pressure to get him to say some positive things about the film with objectivist themes, overt Christian imagery, and an insightful look at how a real hero comes to be.
Is there a torrent out yet? I don't want to go to the cinema
>>67803305
>hates Synder
Bet you love Adam Sandler, though.
>>67803565
Nice that you mention Adam Sandler
Hack Snyder is the Adam Sandler of blockbusters
>>67803305
so you're like 15 right?
>>67803612
Funny coming from a Synder fan
>>67803608
When you grow up and become an adult, maybe you'll be a little smarter and thus able to appreciate Zack Snyder and his artistic genius.
Until then, enjoy your quips, kid.
>>67803449
>None of that bullshit belongs in a super hero movie though
Why? Does it hurt your tiny brain?
>>67803659
I'm a grown man which can't be applied to you
nice try tho
>>67802371
>its demand for information recall from the viewer
like how during the ''Martha'' scene Snyder flashes back to Bruce's parents' death (which we've already seen) just so all the dummies in the audience can understand what's going on?
>>67801101
>implying Affleck has been talking to Smith since mid 2000's
kek. Smith is all like 'HEY ALL IM STILL BEST BUDS WITH BEN AFFLECK, I PROPELLED HIM INTO STARDOM YOU KNOW, WE STILL TALK AND GO OUT AN SHIT AND OUR DAUGHTERS ARE BEST FRIENDS' when Ben is just trying to forget that he acted in Smith's shit movies 20 years ago
>>67803694
>admitting to being a stupid manchild
Oh lord. You should have said you were in middle school with tastes like yours.
>>67803876
>Snyder troglodyte calling others taste bad
Autism awareness day was yesterday anon
This is what I assume its like watching schizophrenics smear shit on each other.
You're all a source of deep pity and contempt. You're actively making the world worse.
>>67804012
You cry autism, yet the only way something like Batman vs Superman could fly over your head as it has is if you have something wrong with your brain (such as autism).
>>67803799
That's a lie. Smith did an interview on Australian TV a few years ago and said that they don't ever talk. He thinks that Jennifer hates him so Ben's relationship with him had to end.
>>67804149
>2deep4u
Please stop embarassing yourself
We are already over this
>>67804249
>"I'm not a dummy, I swear!"
Again, return to Marvel, quipboy.
>>67804291
Can't you capeplebs think out of the box for once
I despise marvel capetrash as much as Snyder's atrocious and tasteless hack jobs
>>67800775
>WHAT DID YOU SAY
>You mean we both have mothers?
>oh I guess that means you're not dangerous, let's be friends
>autists praise this as a recurring theme and not shitty storytelling
BvS is bad compared to real movies but it's about average compared to capeshit
Anyone who disagrees is lying to themselves and should probably commit suicide
>>67803694
>just so all the dummies in the audience can understand what's going on?
More like a third of what's going on, but yeah.
>>67804413
>"No, I hate marvel!"
Yeah right, quipboy. Your bad tastes show. You definitely were one of those anons saying Deadpool "wasn't that bad."
>>67804603
Whatever you say moron
>>67800696
>That rant he did with that other guy
>"The reason they stop fighting is so fucking stupid I can't even say it!"
>He actually believes it was JUST the Martha line with absolutely no context that caused Batman to view Superman as a person
I stopped watching his rant right there, because it was clear he didn't fucking follow WHY Batman stopped when he was about to kill Supes.
>>67804463
>Spend whole film dehumanising this god
>When you're about to kill this "thing" it reveals that it's not just some god that fell from the sky, it's a person with parents, emotions, and is about to go through the same trauma that Bruce went through
Yeah nah, it's definitely "lol we both have mothers, we good"
>>67802530
this t b h
>>67804707
At what other point does BATMAN see superman humanised as opposed to the audience prior to the fight?
To Batman, it literally is just the mother thing that makes him change his mind
>>67804834
Because that, coupled with the guys girlfriend coming to his rescue, humanised him in Batmans eyes. Are you dense?
>>67800696
>>67804413
His atrocious and tasteless hack job manages to carry one entire theme, one might even say the main theme, in an exclusively visual manner.
The only person besides the protagonist's inner circle who views him as a human being for the entirety of the plot is the principle villain, and he never says so aloud, although the entirety of his plan working depends on him being right and the protagonist acting precisely as the villain would given the same dilemma.
The plot contains unresolved mysteries that allude to events both before and after the plot of the film, and they're presented in a way that feels organic and integral to the action.
But yeah, hackpiece for sure.
>muh franchise wars
>muh dc
>muh marvel
just keep feeding your hard earned shekels to your jewish overlords
G O O D G O Y I M
>>67804864
OHH so it was TWO things that happened at once that instantly changed batman's mind, instead of one?
That changes everything, truly a cinematic masterpiece
>>67804634
Keep fighting against DC, Marveldrone.
>>67804880
>A movie manages to carry one entire theme
WOW LAD PRAISE THE ZACK
Didn't he originally rip into it during a podcast?
>>67804834
>He shows emotions
>He shows fear
>He shows compassion
>He shows vengence
>His gf comes running to him
>He has a mother
>He's doing all this for his mother
>He obviously has a life and isn't just some guy that fell from the sky
All this happens in close to 30 seconds. You're right that it was "the mother thing", but you're not giving context.
>>67800696
>Ben, I'm sorry. please take me back.
>>67804916
Every superhero movie flop warms my hearth a little but keep being paranoid you autistic faggot
>>67804925
Cherry-pick moar, faggot. I never implied it was the only theme. You did.
>>67804982
You just typed it you fucking retard
>>67804937
And most importantly, he doesn't kill the Bat within microseconds as he so clearly could and states that fact outright to his opponent.
>>67804953
Still trying to hide that tiny hard-on you have for Marvel, eh?
It's cool. You like trash. Some people, like you, have no taste. That's how this world is.
the problem is he's saying watching it again made him appreciate it more, the motherfucker didn't even see it fully a second time, even though he's staying he is
https://twitter.com/ThatKevinSmith/status/715523248830746624
https://twitter.com/ThatKevinSmith/status/714466878777724928
>>67804937
"Martha" bought him precious seconds for Lois to arrive and be remembered,
>>67805051
Yeah dude that's what I'm saying
You like Zack Snyder therefore you like trash. It's quite simple m9
>>67800696
>BvS is shit!
>Mr Smith, you have a contract with ut to direct a tv episode of Flash, if you continue like that we'll finish the contract and you'll get nothing
>BvS IS THE BEST MOVIE EVEEEEEEEEEEER
faggot with no more career...
>>67805110
Did you see his rant? He literally didn't get it
>>67805010
Well let me show you how it works, Reading-Comprehension Lad. Here's me accurately quoting >>67804925 according to you:
>PRAISE THE ZACK
Amen.
>>67805059
Jesus Christ, what a fucking cooperate shill. I love how no one can go in depth to explain how BvS is "complex" or whatever, they just say it is. It's a fucking mess and everyone, including Silent Bob, knows it
>>67805097
>loves marvel
>thinks synder is trash
You made me laugh.
>>67805160
It's okay dude there is nothing wrong with liking Zack. It's your decision
I don't mind people eating shit either
>>67805153
Here's some complexity for you. What all the hack critics took to be "heavy-handed religious imagery" entirely missed the point that the imagery isn't because the audience is supposed to perceive Superman as a god. It's to remind us that practically every character in the movie does, and he has to fight uphill just to be taken as one of us.
The villain never once states his true intentions and they can only be gleaned when one views what he has versus what he wants.
The foil(the Batman) only comes to perceive how far he's fallen when he finally recognizes himself in his perceived foe. His redemption arc begins in that moment.
Why did fine particles of kryptonite not just straight up kill superman after he breathed them in
>>67805416
Probably too dilute. Sort of how we can cover from less than fatal doses of radiation.
If the movie had just been edited better, cut out all the justice league stuff, the dream vision stuff. I think this movie would have been better received.
He was DC's hype man when they had their big promotion on CW. I'm absolutely certain someone from WB called him up and reminded him of the big bag of cash and coke they dropped on his desk after he bashed the movie.
>>67805216
You post memes, love Marvel, love Deadpool. You're the one eating shit, kid. Keep telling yourself it really tastes like chocolate and maybe someday you'll believe it.
>>67805448
>recover
>>67805472
wow mr hollywood insider, good for you bro
>>67805478
False dude
I don't consume shit unlike you
ITT:
Nerds getting personally offended over other people's opinions of movies that aren't their own
Just drink paint already and quit
>movie is unpopular with the normie audience
>/tv/ starts liking the movie
>kevin smith makes positive comments about the movie
I'm worried the effort it takes to always remain contrarian will end up hurting /tv/
>>67805524
Kevin Smith, the perpetrator of such trash as Yoga Hosers, Cop Out, Tusk and Red State, as well as such personal atrocities on the Batman franchise as Cacophony, has the balls to criticize another interpretation of Batman.
Yeah, I'm not going to take that seriously.
>>67800696
>Goddamn it. I don't know how I feel about this
Rejoice, for the teachings of Snyder are that anyone can make mistakes and return to the righteous path.
>>67804707
>Oh, the Alien has a mother too
Just like most of the thugs he's been mowing down with bat-autocannons.
If they'd started Batman from a position other than;
>"Even a 1% chance he's a threat, we gotta destroy him"
the swing wouldn't be as awful.
>>67803512
No, apparently it's not solid writing rather it's too deep for this lot.
>>67805523
>implying deadpool isn't shit
Ha!
>>67800837
I wish I could range ban everyone that says capekino, you're ruining this board more than it already of
>>67804707
But the execution of it was retarded.
Also immediately after:
>Don't worry, Martha won't die tonight. I promise.
>I trust you, guy who was about to stab me to death 30 seconds ago.
>>67805360
>The villain never once states his true intentions and they can only be gleaned when one views what he has versus what he wants.
He apparently intends to control one of the two invulnerable aliens he has no means of fighting.
He can threaten to kill Superman's family, and hope this is one of those rare time Supes can't hear them screaming from the other side of the planet and instantly fly there and save them. Because apparently Superman isn't very good at his job.
Or he can awaken Zombie Zod and... well, there really is no mastermind plan behind this, is there? Just rolling the dice and hoping for the best, because even if the monster doesn't destroy the world, powerful people know Lex is the one with access to the materials to make it.
So tell me more about his master plan.
>>67800696
>it takes multiple viewings
How long does it take for the high from smoking weed to wane off? I'm sure Kev smoked a few blunts before entering the theater.
>>67805629
>People with contrary opinions are just contrarians
Why must I like/hate movie because it's popular/unpopular? Am I not allowed to have a different opinion/taste?
>>67801949
okay, Kev-o
>>67806580
And also, the only glimpse into Lex's motivation we do get directly contradicts his actions.
>>67800775
So Batman needed to save Martha to make up for not being able to save Martha, in doing so he found redemption and that's why he didn't brand Lex at the end
I just saw it, and the action, soundtrack, cinematography, and overall style was fucking fantastic but the script was an absolute tragedy. Events bounced around for no reason at all, they tried way, way too much at once to the point that it makes Spider-Man 3 look reserved and subtle, and Jesse Eisenberg gave the worst preformance I have ever seen in a super hero movie.
>batman just slaughtering thugs indiscriminately
can't wait for the Snyder backpedal in the solo batfelck film that shows how the joker made him snap and start to kill
>>67807426
And I can't wait for future retards to start threads with "Batman killed in BvS but doesn't in this Batflek movie, look at this shit writing"
>>67800975
>Go back and watch it, and keep watching it until you like it.
Sounds vaguely familiar.
>>67807426
>implying the jokers wacky antics in suicide squad isn't what made batfleck snap
>>67800775
2 deep 4 u
>>67807674
Then maybe Suicide Squad should have been released first.
>>67807914
This whole Martha scene makes sense when explained on paper, but the execution was garbage. It would have been good if after the Martha thing Bruce just finally heard him out and let him explain himself, and then decided whether or not to help, but he just instantly goes "sorry buddy get up, I'll go save your mommy".
>goes to save martha
>awkward out of place quip
>>67807964
There must be a name for when the script of a film is essentially just a Wikipedia plot summary of what the script should be. ASM2 suffered from that as well.
He finally received the check.
Fuck off, Kevin.
They must have guaranteed him hosting gigs for CW DCEU specials
>Mewes thinks it's fucking awesome
>Smith is now embarrassed how quickly he jumped in to shit on this film
>implying we care about the opinion of the maker of clerks on capekino
He watched this more than once? No wonder he's a hack.
>>67800696
>2DEEP for Marvel fans
why would Marvel fans be interested in that movie? i cant understand this argument even if its trolling.
>>67809183
>implying delusional marveltards havent been trashing this capekino masterpiece since before release
>>67800696
>/tv/ hates Kevin Smith
>K.S. says he liked BvS
>now /tv/ likes him
you kids are fucking pathetic
>>67800696
>"I got to see Parademons! I like this movie now." -Kevin Smith, 2nd BvS review
This is bad. I am not a Kevin Smith hater, but when he starts saying movies are good just because they have some background character from DC comics in them, this sends a bad message to the movie studio. It sends the message that all they need to do is include something from the comics never seen before,, and fans will be ok with a mediocre story.
NOT good. This is why fanboys having their opinions on capefilm movies is bad, for dumb reasons like this that have nothing to do with the quality of the storytelling in the movie.
critics > fans
>>67800696
>I guess it really was literally 2DEEP for Marvel fans and critics.
Hahaha, no.
>>67809215
>This is bad. I am not a Kevin Smith hater, but when he starts saying movies are good just because they have some background character from DC comics in them, this sends a bad message to the movie studio. It sends the message that all they need to do is include something from the comics never seen before,, and fans will be ok with a mediocre story.
You mean how /co/ have been pushing the Flash TV show?
>>67809203
and why is that releevant at all? people who dont like the Marvel movies have been trashing them months before release too, and still havent been bombs or completely hated by fans and critics...
>>67809209
>nobody has said this
>trollboy
>>67809255
yeah because marvel flicks are utter garbage with forced diversity and quip quotas
>BvS is so good that comic philosphers can ponder it's intricacies and realize it's genius
It must really suck to be a marvelshit.
>>67809288
Then why does DC have a Black Deadshot and memes out the fucking ass?
>>67809288
"Batman v superman has bad reviews because its people perceive it as a movie for racists"
AAaaaaaan im done talking to you...
> Everyone is saying BvS is shit
> Damn, nobody will notice my critic if I'm saying exactly the same thing than everyone
HEY BvS WAS A FUCKING PIECE OF ART !
>>67809331
Because Will Smith is a good actor and those will be fully fleshed jokes with punchlines not shitty one liners.
The age of marvel capeshit is over and the age of DC capekino has just begun.
Your feeble marveldrone mind cannot comprehend this fact yet.
>>67803032
Smith wrote a batman comic that retcons a year 1 story everyone loves and is iconic to the character to make it so batman pissed himself during it. i dont think he cares about batman too much.
>>67809400
Name one good Will Smith movie in the last 7 years. And yes, stuff like the "cheer-leading tryouts" are totally not quips! Le funny jokes!
>>67809642
Wasn't that one not canon to begin with?
>>67800696
Kevin "backpedalling is my middle name" Smith.
>>67800696
Cough cough
He said the 'heart' is fanservice, and he had already said that in the video
>>67800696
> 1 APR 2016
> April 1
Was this a prank gone wrong?
>>67801179
>smart
Why would it be smart? What's this response suppose to mean ? It explains why batman changes his mind. It's not a clever twist ending or anything
>>67811115
The pilot was one of the best episodes of Reaper.
There is nothing in BvS more meaningful or deep than Disney's newest PG movie Zootopia,
>>67804707
What happens when Ma Kent dies then? Does Superman go off the rails and start killing like Batman?
>mfw I realized the reason Martha made Batman snap was because he was reminded of himself and how Martha Wayne's death drove him into becoming the murderous, fallen hero that he is today.
>mfw I realize that Batman saves Martha because he wants to save Superman from following in his footsteps
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>>67806537
Superman never doubted Bruce or saw a reason to distrust him. He didn't even want to kill him.
GUERS DE TRUIGGER
GUERIS IT
>>67812746
>Disney
>subliminal advertising
GTFO MARVEL/DISNEY SHILL REEEEEEEE
>>67813115
We get the Injustice universe.I know Lois dying caused it, but still.
>>67813270
>A few seconds ago he was going to kill superman without any sense of guilt becouse of the greater good
>Killing superman would mean his life would have stopped and he wouldn't turn into anything that isn't maggot food
>"mfw I realize that Batman saves Martha because he wants to save Superman from following in his footsteps"
>mfw
>>67800696
plebs will never get it
symbolism is beyond their brain dead cells
>>67800696
He's only saying that because he misses Ben Affleck's cock.
>>67800696
>taking anything this absolute shill for all capeshit says seriously
Common OP you realize that this guys jilted bff is also in the film, meaning that hes not just trying to stop from burning bridges with WB but also desperately attempting to regain Affleck's affection.
Its as pathetic and transparent as these things get.
>>67813687
>>67813721 is referring to you
>>67800696
>fat retard spouts some nonsense
What is it 1998? Is Kevin Smith relevant again?
>>67800696
Didn't he make Tusk?
Before the release of BvS
>It will be the Dawn of Capekino.
>Marvel is going to get BTFO.
>"It will be a philosophical political drama that explores mankind's need for hope and the dangers of absolute power".
>Zack Snyder will deliver... In Zack Snyder we trust.
After the release of BvS
>Critics don't matter, they're paid off by marvel and/or just have a skewed view since they're so used to Marvel movies they can't appreciate true CAPEKINO!
>Just look at the user score, fans obviously love the movie.
>Citizen Kane and 2001 also had mixed reviews when they came out!
>Its deeper and smarter than people think, too much for Marvel fans.
After 1 week of the release of BvS
>Reviews don't matter, fans love it and it will still beat out Avengers.
>It will still beat out Ironman 3.
>Its going to break a billion.
>I-its making more than Ant-Man and Captain America, g-guys.
>Avatar had a slow build up too and Deathly Hallow Pt.2 had a slow build up before it made over a billion at the Box Office.
>People just don't understand the genius of this film.
>It came out on Easter Weekend, g-guys that's why there's an 81% drop off in Box Office numbers. It doesn't mean anything!
>Suicide Squad will turn things around, g-guys I p-promise!
>It takes multiple viewings to really get the underlying theme and symbolism of this """"""""film"""""""
...
What new excuses will DCucks thing of next!?
>>67814260
he did so rightfully disregard everything he has or ever will say my good man.
this fucking board
>>67814458
Literally all of those arguments are good.
>>67800696
>According to Smith, it takes multiple viewings to truly understand the film's deeper messages and the underlying motivations driving the actions of its characters.
So, in other words, he got high as shit before watching it the 2nd time?
I think I need to start stocking up on some edibles.
>>67802879
Found the redditor.
>>67814836
He literally changed his mind because his junkie leech friend Jason Mewes said it was good
>>67815996
That's because he has fat kid syndrome. He wants to be part of the cool crowd so he looks to others to formulate his opinions.
>>67800696
I gotta admit I am amazed he is still alive and still relevant somehow,what was the last thing he did?
>>67800775
This
he shits on it for noteriety and then apologizes because he realized he still has to work for a living
>I haven't read any superhero comics since I finished with Watchmen. I hate superheroes. I think they're abominations. They don't mean what they used to mean. They were originally in the hands of writers who would actively expand the imagination of their nine- to 13-year-old audience. That was completely what they were meant to do and they were doing it excellently. These days, superhero comics think the audience is certainly not nine to 13, it's nothing to do with them. It's an audience largely of 30-, 40-, 50-, 60-year old men, usually men. Someone came up with the term graphic novel. These readers latched on to it; they were simply interested in a way that could validate their continued love of Green Lantern or Spider-Man without appearing in some way emotionally subnormal. This is a significant rump of the superhero-addicted, mainstream-addicted audience. I don't think the superhero stands for anything good. I think it's a rather alarming sign if we've got audiences of adults going to see the Avengers movie and delighting in concepts and characters meant to entertain the 12-year-old boys of the 1950s.
>Man develops Stockholm Syndrome after spending too much time and money watching the same movie
>>67816425
Alan, we all you are in large part to blame for that development, you crazy cook.
>>67800696
But he's a huge Marvel fan.
>>67817425
He's a huge Batfag. Every other word out of his mouth is "Batman". He's a faggot and a shill. I know I'm just some anon who's opinion means nothing. But I'm 100% right when I say Kevin Smith is a huge faggot and his opinions are worthless.
>>67817735
Definitely a Batfag (I misspelled that as "Batfat" and thought about leaving it) but he loves his Marvel too. Not sure how he shills though, I never hear commercials during his podcasts for DC shit. It's always squarespace or blue apron.
>>67816425
>Created watchmen
>Bitches about bullshit 2deep4u comics for stunted adults.
Sometimes I wonder if Alan Moore is just joking or he really has smoked so much weed that he lacks all self awareness.
>>67806537
Superman is blissfully ignorant and extremely trusting of people. You'd know this if you weren't a capecasual
>>67817954
I understand where you're coming from. But when you watch him talk he comes off overly cartoonish. Like a used car salesman. His mannerisms are literal shilling. Just watch Comic Book Men and you'll see what I'm talking about.
>>67818273
I'll believe you there, I never watched that show. It being in the world of TV I believe it's mostly shilling. Podcast wise though he's usually nicer to Marvel stuff. He ripped TDKR and MoS apart repeatedly but never stopped jerking off over Avengers.
He sees himself as this outsider to the industry (it's his excuse when he shits out terrible movies) so his opinions often have to seem so out there and beyond what anyone else is thinking. Even when he has to twist reality to make it seem like he's a misunderstood genius. I don't believe it's shilling, he's just stroking his own ego.
And for all his love of Batman, all he talks about is The Dark Knight Returns. Has no idea what's going on with the character.
>>67818507
I feel you. He is an egotistical prick.
>>67818558
I do love Scan BC though.
The Punisher VS Daredevil was exactly how Batman VS Superman should have been. Coincidentally, that was also bogged down by the inclusion of too many comic book characters at once, but not nearly as badly.
>>67800696
>I guess it really was literally 2DEEP for Marvel fans and critics.
Smith is literally a DCuck (works for them, is best friends with Affleck) his bosses probably get mad at him and made him "change his mind"
