So Zak Snyder is thinking of making a film on The Fountainhead.
Will it be good?
>>67784093
It will bekino.
>>67784093
Psuedointellectuals tend to gravitate toward fellow pseuds
Good for Zack, I hope he continues to embarrass himself out of a career
Fuck no
>>67784093
>Snyder is a Randroid
No wonder he has trouble processing human emotions and seeing the value of colours.
>he wants to remake a shitty book
This explains so much
Never heard of this book. Is it good? Was is it about?
The King Vidor movie is underrated imo. It did a good job of capturing the essential elements of the novel while still maintaining a proper pace and featuring excellent performances.
I'd rather see Clint Eastwood make We the Living, though.
>>67784174
is snyder autistic?
>>67784197
How to invent Wikipedia.
The sequel Atlas Shrugged is about how to invent SpaceX and Tesla.
Liberals LITERALLY BTFO
>>67784093
Thanks for helping me figure out why he's so hostile to the idea of superman and turned the Kents into cunts.
I doubt he'll be able to do a better movie than Rand herself. Even she thought that her movie was meh, though it's Zizek's favourite movie, so who knows.
Oh boy I can't wait for the sequel.
I've always wanted to watch a 7 hour movie about steel manufacturing processes
>>67784282
Yeah except Zizek Rand and Snyder are all absolute tards worshipped by morons.
From Snyder himself
>Snyder says that the book is “a thesis on the creative process and what it is to create something,” which is a concept that must really resonate with him as a guy who almost exclusively makes comic book adaptations. Snyder also notes that Warner Bros. owns the rights to Ayn Rand’s originalFountainheadscreenplay, so he has “been working on that a little bit”—which is an interesting thing to say about a story that’s based on how one man’s utterly perfect vision is destroyed when other people step in and corrupt it with their own ideas.
>>67784197
It's so so. At times it's a masterpiece, in other times it's just shit. It's basically the perfect representation of an ideal man working in junction of Capitalism while fighting off an SJW incarnate, Nietzsche controlling Gawker because he doesn't give a fuck about the world, and people too afraid of change. It has a rape scene but anyone who knows anything about women.
Worth reading imo.
>>67784324
I'm just saying that it can go anywhere in terms of quality.
>>67784443
Anything about women know that it's not rape since she gave a silent consent.
>>67784128
>>67784174
>>67784178
>>67784231
>>67784324
>being this mad
What's up with the reddit brigade everytime Rand is mentioned?
>>67784443
That actually sounds like something Zak would make
>>67784443
>It has a rape scene but anyone who knows anything about women
wat
>>67784443
Why is the rape scene the most controversial thing when the hero is a white guy who blows up a homeless shelter?
>>67784557
Rand didn't give a fuck about anyone so everyone is endlessly butt hurt about her. That and people endlessly misunderstood her
>>67784557
People obsess over her shitty writing and it managed to get the worst trilogy ever produced?
>>67784585
rand described it as rape by engraved invitation
basically if youre working in a quarry and a woman looks at you a bunch show up in her room and fuck
>>67784611
Because the rape comes basically out of nowhere and the blowing up the shelter made sense.
>>67784093
>inb4 Zack Snyder defending his Fountainhead movie by saying "Well, this movie was actually too intelligent for libertarians"
It could literally be the best film ever made and people would still hate it.
>>67784644
>inexplicably set in modern times
>complete cast change every movie
>Eddie Willers is always black
based Agliagoro
>>67784557
Because she was a terrible writer and philosopher?
>>67784093
No. Because he is a shit director.
>>67784557
You have to understand that the reason most of the retards here hate Rand is because of demographics. Look at 4chan in general, almost everyone here come from a bourgeoisie upbringing and quite frankly are, or either are close to being NEETS; utter losers who have very limited life experience and responsibilities. They are so absorbed with politically extreme leftist ideals that one cannot have a rational discussion with them (I harbor various left wing leanings myself, but there is a difference between talking to a moderate and an extremist).
The young men I know who like Ayn Rand are admittedly arrogant and self-absorbed, but they are determined, intelligent and motivated individuals (Businessmen and Doctors). I do not mind Rand myself nor do I love her, I will not discuss too much of myself but I'll just say that I am rather far off being a NEET. Think the liberal feminist meme you see going around. Yeah, those are the people that disagree with Rand (The majority of people who hate her have never read her books, they just accept and repeat the culture of memes).
>>67784687
But that's any movie ever made.
>>67784557
Rand's philosophy is bollocks. Only idiots fall for it because she dressed it up with elements of basic Greek logic (A=A, etc), but the entire exercise existed solely to justify her extramarital affairs with married men. She was also a giant hypocrite who died collecting welfare cheques.
>>67784768
>died collecting welfare cheques.
she was getting revenge
>>67784720
She was a good philosopher but a bad writer. The fountainhead was still very enjoyable though. Atlas Shrugged is only good until the end of part 1. The rest is shit. Though it's amazing how her thoughts concerning parasites encapsulates perfectly SJW and even called leftist "proggressives" in the Romantic Manifesto, which I find funny.
>>67784683
The rape scene made sense, too. Dominique is enamored of Roark in the quarry, taunts him during the marble installation, loses her shit when he sends a home depot day laborer to finish the job, then is finally satisfied when her hero takes his prize
>>67784761
>everyone on 4chan is extremely left wing
O I am laffin
>>67784810
>She sat listening to the music. It was a symphony of triumph. The notes flowed up, they spoke of rising and they were the rising itself, they were the essence and the form of upward motion, they seemed to embody every human act and thought that had ascent as its motive. It was a sunburst of sound, breaking out of hiding and spreading open. It had the freedom of release and the tension of purpose. It swept space clean, and left nothing but the joy of an unobstructed effort. Only a faint echo within the sounds spoke of that from which the music had escaped, but spoke in laughing astonishment at the discovery that there was no ugliness or pain, and there never had to be. It was the song of an immense deliverance.
I think that this is great writing. Why does everyone say that Ayn Rand is not a good writer?
>>67784768
She was a hypocrite concerning never being emotional when Nathaniel didn't love her instead of another woman. She advocated that happiness should be man's greatest goal yet bitched that he shouldn't find happiness in another woman and sought to ruin him.
A=A is simply unsound overall and was never a justification for anything other than to identify existence. The problem is knowledge limitation, which is why she kept smoking to near death.
She also never collected welfare funds, she only submitted the papers.
>>67784768
>collecting welfare cheques.
Money she paid to the government
>>67784873
>providing child pornography to internet pedophiles
>not far left
>>67784909
Prosaically she wavers from good to pedestrian. It's in her pacing of a story, her heavy handed symbolisn, her weak characterisation and her self insert characters that her writing suffers. I'd probably describe her as more of a bad novelist than a bad writer. Haven't read her essays so can't comment on those.
If the source material were good, it would be shit. It is snyder. But because the source material is shit, it would be one of the worst movies ever made, likely worse than the Atlas Shrugged trilogy.
>>67784909
Too much characterization and somewhat shallow characters in Atlas fucked her over.
Her prose also feels teenager-ish, especially when reading her philosophy work. But it might just be because she wanted to make it accessible to others. I honestly understand where the idea that only teenagers are attracted to her stories and philosophy since it gives immediate goals but aren't smart to get all the clear intent.
>>67784996
What are a couple examples of her pedestrian prose?
>>67785146
So you think that money is the root of all evil?” said Francisco d’Aconia. “Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can’t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?
“When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears nor all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow.
Tell me that isn't babbys first philosophy.
>>67785293
Okay, granted. But outside of the obnoxious monologues, her prose is golden?
>>67785332
I wouldn't say so personally. I agree with the earlier post that Atlas Shrugged falls apart in its second half. But yes, her monologues are particularly bad.
>>67784996
I consider her essay on Racism to be her best.
If you change all her mentions of altruism for collectivism, she's so dead on that it hurts.
http://youtu.be/MdeI9NfbfT8
>>67785293
To be fair, she's still right. How many times do you hear that money is the root of all evil?
>>67785360
A full quarter of the second half of Atlas Shrugged is John Galt's speech. The derring-do surrounding it is pretty eye-rollingly bad. I guess I agree with the earlier post, too.
I think Ayn Rand is a master of prose, though.
>>67785694
I dunno if it's bad anymore. I think the reason it's bad because Galt is preaching to a collective group of people so despicable you can't accept their existence. But with the rise and surge of SJW everywhere, I see thst his speech is really accurate.
Even then, people bitch that the speech is long as fuck, which is fit, I read the whole thing in a single go and it was pretty damn long, but when you consider that it's the speech to end the world, it's somewhat a fitting.
My biggest problem about Atlas Shrugged sis personally Galt. He's so fucking bland and boring. You get so hyped to know who is John Galt and he's this boring ass vanilla guy with no personality.
People sometimes mention how Rand exaggerated when she said that Frank O Connor was her John Galt, when he wasn't intellectually stimulating, but he apparently was a stick that refused to move and would always support Rand, which makes me think that Galt really was like Frank, in the worst way.
I also recommend reading this comic to get a more biographical view of her life which tells a lot overall.
http://activatecomix.com/162.comic
>>67784093
I hated his Necksnapper movies. Liked 300 &Watchmen. I may see this in theaters if he manages to get the project that far. He might be a really good fit for the material.
>>67786159
Didn't follow your link, SJW faggot.
>>67786246
How am I an SJW?
>>67786282
How are you not?
Funny how the single most prominent, intelligent and influential female philosopher of all time is hated by the left.
Normally they always tend to put women on a pedestal regardless of how meaningless the effort was but this time they try to push her down regardless of how important she was.
Even when I was a leftist for some reason I had this irrational hatred of Rand, even greater than many other right philosophers and right wing proponents.
She may not have been the most intelligent or influential individually but as a combination she sure is the most prominent female philosopher.
>>67787440
You cannot prove a negative
-Rand
>>67788182
Can a Rand expert explain why she disavowed Nietzsche, adored Aristotle and hated Kant?
>>67788182
She was for women's right but absolutely hate the feminist movement. She called it a collectivist movement, which is ironic and accurate as fuck considering the current state of 3rd wave feminism, and how much they espouse marxist theories. Some famous feminist (forgot her name) called her a traitor to her sex. She also has this female power play concerning sex that women don't openly admit, namely the fact that women love wanting to be dominated. Rand always suffucated everyone around her intellectually and was sadden that she never got a man to make her his bitch. Frank O Connor was too passive of a man and Nathaniel was too young for her (he was 25 and she was 49 when they first started getting romantically involved).
There's the saying that women love a fascist, which is somewhat accurate, but the real meaning is that women love a man in charge. Men do too, to a certain extent, but it's harder to find.
I really find that weird because Dagny in Atlas Shrugged was forced to be in a shit position for awhile and literally had to to a meeting board saying ''I been running this damned company, either make me CEO or I'm fucking quitting'; which is pretty damn ballsy.
I always felt that Rand knew that there was a patriarchy (in the early 40s to 60s, not as much today) that made it disadvantageous for women to be in leading roles, but not impossible. For her time, Rand was ahead of everyone concerning women's rights.
There's also that mention one time that she never wants to see a female president. Women as leaders, sure, just not the president. Her answer was that women should look at one single goal, becoming the president, to prove their worth when they can be leaders is basically anything else.
>>67788501
The idea that women want to hero-worship a man is actually really fucking regressive and offensive and disgusting.
>>67788244
I'm not an expert because I dislike her philosophy so I will just take a guess
Nietzche, hated woman, was a weakman himself.
Aristotle was an empiricist who unlike his greek peers was an accomplished man.
Kant is easy. Kant's category imperative in which he wants people to map their own beliefs onto one another. That is very collectivist.
>>67788567
Is this tumblr bait or did some one on reddit tell you /tv/ was the only safe space board on 4chan or something?
Regardless you need to stop posting.
>>67788244
In the Fountainhead, which can't be used as an accurate source since even Objectivist aren't sure if Gail Wynand is the embodiment of Nietzsche or if he's just some character she made up with some aspects of Nietzschean philosophy for her to bitch at.
Concerning Nietzsche, she both admired him in many ways but somewhat disagreed with him concerning determinism. For Nietzsche, there was no free will and Rand, being a Romanticist, didn't give a fuck and said that people should go beyond their base nature to become great. She also bitched that his dichotomy of master/slave morality deterministically put people into two sides rather than on a scale like she does.
imo, she does the same in her novels (you're either an objectivist, or have some traits of it, or you're a parasite shitlord SJW)
She also makes some misconception concerning the will to power as being the only merrit worth gaining (basically getting power for the sake of it as a reason to live) was wrong. Nietzsche was more flexible in his use of will to power and I think that Rand just got him wrong on that aspect.
In the Fountainhead, I always felt that Roark and Gail similarities and friendship was more Rand toying with the idea that Nietzsche might have liked how similar both the Ubermensch and her idea of man being a Hero.
Nietzsche, to me, is more becoming your own man, above everything in society and every stigma while Rand's hero is more embracing capitalism so that you can contribute to it.
In Thus spake, the hero has a part where he runs away from merchants and I always felt that was Nietzsche saying that Capitalism itself can be a sort slave morality but that's just me.
There's a lot to interpret concerning both Rand and Nietzsche.
Lol
So that's why he's such a fucking faggot
Anything Snyder makes will be mediocre to bad.
>Zack Snyder
>Good
pick one
>>67788244
As for Aristotle, basically, to me, she read the whole ''the best flute should belong to the best flute musician'' and applied it to capitalism. Funny enough, the two system worked very well together.
I'm not completely sure why she hated Kant but I haven't read enough on him to know.
>>67788567
Is it? Because women always want the best possible mate, which can be seen as a hero. Maybe not hero worship but I'm always reminded of that image of Ayn Rand being horny, humping the leg of one of her fictional heroes. Which, to me, is basically what her women do in her novels when they stop being smart.
>>67788637
She also bitched that Kant is the reason why art is shit but I haven't read him enough to know if it's true or not.
>>67784761
>Doctors reading Ayn Rand
Maybe in the USA where only the wealthy elite can afford to go to medical school.
If your played Bioshock you'll see why Rand's ideology is bullshit
>>67789033
It looks pretty BioShock like
>>67789033
Hahahaha.
HAHAHAHA.
Nearly everything in Bioshock is such a poor attempt at criticing her philosophy that it's both pathetic and sad. The greatest philosophical game can't even destroy the ''worst philosophy''.
It gets the essense right of what makes Objectivism so great but fucks up so hard it's laughable.
First thing that was doomed to fail was banning bibles. What's that? Controlling the free market? What a smart idea?
Or how about that doctor who basically does what Roark does, namely that patients don't know what they want, and turn him insane.
Or that art is a selective re-creation of reality according to an artist’s metaphysical value-judgments. And that it doesn't fucking work when you use literally reality to make art, like humans and blowing them up.
Or how Rapture has no cohesive state, it's just basically Ryan owning the police as his private enterprise.
Or how even the lowly worker would get paid handsomely since everyone would endlessly invest in everything, paying the most hard workers for their job, so no one would be jealous that Ryan is fucking models every day when they're paid well.
The only legit criticism is that female scientist who got her biological clock to tick which made her take care of the children. Even then, Rand would say that it's fine since it gives her happiness and if helping kids gives her the most amount of happiness over creating drugs, then all the power to her.
Hell, even little girls existing is bullshit since you'd think abortions would be a thing. But apparently not.
There's so much wrong with Bioshock's criticism of Objectivism.
>>67789374
>Or how Rapture has no cohesive state, it's just basically Ryan owning the police as his private enterprise.
To expand on this, Rand was for laiser faire capitalism but maintained that a state was absolutely needed, to be in charge of both the court, the police and an army. Obviously, when you're underwater, you don't need an army but not having a state basically made the whole state of nature inevitable to happen.
Rapture was doomed to fail because it didn't have a state, like Hobbes predicted. Even Rand agreed on that which is no surprise that shit hit the fan.
>Rand
>Snyder
sounds like the worst movie ever made
I've only read Anthem by Rand and that was laughably terrible
>>67790040
Read the Fountainhead, it's better.
>>67784231
>>67784212
>I'd rather see Clint Eastwood make We the Living, though.
Shut up and take my money! We the Living is so underrated, sick of all the drama with Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, those get preachy as shit, Anthem and We the Living are her best works, and probably would make better film/miniseries adaptations.
>>67790349
>screencaping your own post
I want r/4chan to fuck off already.
>>67789033
Actually if you want a real world example of Rand's philosophy in action read up on Galt's Gulch Chile.
A griup of developers decided to start a Randian refuge in Chile and it quickly devolved in to backstabbing, lawsuits and outright fraud.
>>67791206
its almost like its a bad idea to make a society entirely out of people fundamentally opposed to altruism
Isn't this the movie about the jew architect that wants to change based and beautiful classic architecture to that shitty jewish rigid boxes style?
>>67791262
IIRC at one point if you wanted to buy a $500,000 plot you also had to promise to loan the developers $2 million to be repaid at an unspecified later date.
