I avoided it as long as i could because I had zero interest in it. But my brother insisted.
>Step by step remake of Ep1
>No memorable characters (except the old ones), xtreme mary sue protagonist
>Fan fiction tier shit. A sequel on par with Indiana Jones 4: Crystal Skull
How do I unwatch this?
>>67748749
Time machine
>>67748749
How do you unwatch it? By ending yourself.
Fuck off nigger. I just saw this shit in HD today after watching a stream when it came out and I liked it even more. Did it have it's fan fare? Sure. Did JJ fuck up a few moments (Leia not consoling Chewy after Han just died but going to Ray is one)? Yeah. It was still a great movie and resembled Star Wars far more than the prequels did.
>>67748848
No many yoy dumb bitch suicide is not the same as "unwatching" something
Except I can actually remember Crystal Skull...
>>67748749
>Step by step remake of Ep I
which was a remake of Episode IV
>no memorable characters
Kylo Ren is the best character in the series since Han Solo
>fan fiction tier shit
Still better than 4 out of the 6 previous Star Wars films
>>67748749
Just wait a few weeks
It's really forgettable
>>67748749
>I don't like Star Wars and wanted to hate the movie going in
>surprise, I hated the movie
Why do these threads exist
>>67748894
>im a retard
the post
>>67749147
Just rewatched for the first time since seeing in theaters. Better on the second viewing but I think the criticisms are still totally valid. I think the moment Han shows up is when the movie starts getting lazy.
>>67749147
more like
>i knew this was a cash grab and didnt want to see my favorite franchise raped again
>>67749165
>I don't enjoy something because /tv/ told me not to
>Anyone who enjoys something that the hivemind doesn't, is retarded.
ITT: we try to remember the force awakens
Okay, there was that scene where FN is breathing really hard and trying to find the wrench
The one where Rey looks like an Amish girl about to be raped by a German soldier with a barbecue grill for a mouth...
And the scene where BB8 is chirpy
The one where Han Solo acts like a cowboy
The laser scene where a lot of planets might have been destroyed...
The yellow pirate's bar
Han Solo's death
>>67749247
Except it's much less of a cash grab than any film in the franchise released after 1980
You just wanted to hate the movie because Disney is behind it
>>67749247
>cash grab
The inbred trash on this board really love their buzzwords. The movie blatantly had a lot of love and effort put into it. Then again, I can't imagine what kind of pathetic manchild would consider fucking Star Wars to be their favorite "franchise" anyway, as though any Star Wars movie is anything other than a fun, mindless blockbuster.
>>67748894
At least Lucas had a sense for cinematography and compelling moments. JJ has none. It was like watching a bad, fanmade video game; where the protagonist just effortlessly steamrolls every obstacle at level 1.
Like a kid with repressed memories of playing tennis when she was 5, stepping up and beating Rafael Nadal first try picking up the racket.
It was so shit.
>>67749288
I wasnt even on /tv/ when this came out because of spoilers and i still hated it.
im sure you are one of those people who post rt scores to validate their opinions though.
>>67749348
You're fucking high, they put the absolute minimum of effort and creativity into, like the battlefront game and banked on brand recognition and faggots like you ate it all up
>>67749409
>im sure you are one of those people who post rt scores to validate their opinions though.
I don't pay attention to ratings or what people think. I form my own opinions. I enjoyed the movie. It had it's flaws but it was a good movie despite the flaws.
>>67749375
if it wasnt a cash grab why are they using all the old characters after their stories ended?
why are they making a movie about a side story for the OT where vader is going to play a role aswell?
they could be branching out but they want brand familarity to sell toys.
>>67749401
>Like a kid with repressed memories of playing tennis when she was 5, stepping up and beating Rafael Nadal first try picking up the racket.
It was nothing like that. Ren was basically on one leg and was dominating the fight until Rey reached down deep to find something she had all along but had repressed her entire life. I do agree with JJ being shit though. The movie would've been so much better if he wasn't the director.
>>67749505
>i form my own shitty opinions
stunning and brave
>>67749409
Suggesting that the meme hyperbolic hate TFA gets on /tv/ hasn't influenced your view of it is fucking retarded. Most people don't form their own opinions on a given film, including you.
Star wars are for children. Reviewing Star Wars makes you an aborted fetus. Realize your mistake and stop watching all of it.
>>67749597
>If it wasn't a cash grab then why are bananas yellow
Nothing you said implies it's a cash grab. They brought back the old characters because people like it, because it connects the stories together, because it's a sequel taking place in a universe. I can tell you post on /pol/ by your "reasoning."
>>67748749
Try killing yourself.
>>67749686
i literally hated this and deadpool as soon as i left the theatre
keep telling yourself it is the default opinion to enjoy these things though
>>67749597
>if it wasnt a cash grab why are they using all the old characters after their stories ended?
What a dumb fucking argument. First, the LEADS in the prequel trilogy were in the OT, at least the leads in TFA are mostly new characters, with the old characters being relegated to minor roles. And second, a Star Wars without Skywalkers is like a Malick film without grass.
>>67748749
Watch the prequels in order to wash the taste of it out of your mouth.
http://youtu.be/p0cpRamEur4
>>67749677
>your opinion isn't the same as mine so it's shit
Great way of thinking.
>>67749690
Yeah this put me off just as bad as the hobbit movie. I never watched the sequels, I hated it do much.
>>67748749
>People reaching this hard to say it was shit because they want to be popular on a fucking imageboard
It was good. Had no expectations going in, didn't think it would be anything special, it wasn't fantastic - but you are an absolute spastic autistic cunt
>>67749708
>because people like it
that IS what makes it a cash grab though
they know retards will continue to buy tickets
and they dont want to take the risk of trying something new and it is easy money to milk already popular characters.
that is why as long as disney owns it;it will forever be in a boring limbo.
>>67749784
It's okay to be a contrarian and have contrary views. I think that certain films that /tv/ loves like Drive and Mad Max Fury Road are terrible. But you can't sit here and say that the vitriol isn't a reactionary response. No one walks out of that movie with seething hatred, they walk out of it either happy or indifferent. You're clearly exaggerating your negative reaction as a response to the people who like the movie.
>>67749873
>34 post
>14 posters
hello samefag
I bet if this movie would've bombed like BvS, everyone on /tv/ would love it just to be contrarian shits.
>>67749597
The old characters exist to pass the torch onto the new ones.
If this was really such a "cashgrab" why was luke only in one scene? He would have been a focus of the movie.
>>67749938
im really not
i had a bias when i heard it was going to have attachments to the OT but i lowered my expectations when i went into watch it,only to have a joke before me.
>>67748749
Wrong on all counts. Eat shit.
>>67750025
because he is going to be present in the new films and the movie was literally about finding him?
>passing the torch
uneeded,in sw the galaxy is a pretty big place with plenty of spieces and planets,to focus on one group is creatively limiting and boring.
Its more forgettable than a CSI episode, you'll be fine in a week or two. JJ peaked with MI:3 and Super 8, all downhill afterwards.
>>67750103
Fuck off dude. It's competently made. In a world where Nolan and Whedon movies are praised, TFA is at least good by that standard. It's well-acted, doesn't have the obnoxious visual tricks you see in a Snyder film, the story makes sense.
>>67750292
>JJ peaked with his worst two movies
The only reason 4chan hates TFA is because "muh SJW propaganda made by kike Jew Jew Abrams." People were making threads about how terrible it was going to be once they discovered that it was going to star a black man and a white woman.
>>67750580
>34 posters
>15 replies
shouldnt you be making movies and shit disney?
get off 4chan
>>67750697
oh iam sorry 46 replies and 15 posters.
Marquand on the set of Jedi:
https://youtu.be/D1q6SAavppc
>>67750697
In threads where discussions breaks out it's usually two people making most of the posts.
>>67750799
its really not
i talk about pretty niche things on here and there are more posters with unique opinions then this
>>67750799
this desu
>>67750933
shill defense squad
daisy looks like a popped hemroid
>>67751014
Let's see what you look like faggot
>>67751014
Right, everyone who doesn't agree with you is a shill. Kill yourself, autist.
>>67751034
the dude from bones
iam a beautiful soul with a beautiful face to match
>>67751079
when they same fag to make their opinions look more popular then what they really are,yes.
>>67751152
kek
KEK
>>67751192
laugh all you will
you will never make that goblin attractive
maybe you are below average and that is why you find her face acceptable
>>67751244
You take those words back peasant scum. She is a goddess among us all.
There's a much better movie on the cutting room floor. Why not piece it together?
http://youtu.be/SZio2_oTRgg
>>67751318
never
http://youtu.be/7CHf948D2qE
>>67749649
>Rey did a MASSIVE fucking asspull that made her suddenly a bad bitch without any consequences
Yeah, that was bullshit, she should have been bailed out by Chewie or she should have drawn on the dark side. Imagine this scene goes like this
>They lock sabers
>Rey looks terrified
>Kylo has a mixture of lust and cruel anger on his face
>Rey's face is bathed in blue, music gets more sinister as Kylo pushes his blade towards her face
>the blue changes to purple, changes to red
>she gets super pissed off and shit and lashes out at him, disarms him, is about to finish him as the world starts breaking
>as she's separated from Kylo she locks eyes with him and sees fear in his eyes as well
>she spends the rest of the movie kind of fucked up and worried that she could become Kylo
>suddenly she has impetus to actually seek training from Luke
>that weird imploring look she has in the last scene suddenly makes more sense as she wants Luke to help her save her from herself, since Ren is kind of discredited as a villain from losing the first fight with the protagonist so badly
JJ is a hack and Kasdan doesn't give a shit anymore. I wish Lucas didn't piss Kasdan off so they could have made a good script for the prequels together.
>>67751318
Fuck off.
>>67751853
JJ is objectively a better director than Lucas. American Graffiti and the original Star Wars were saved in editing, and everything good he did after that was due to the efforts of people infinitely more talented than he.
>>67751853
>she should have drawn on the dark side.
Nigga did you watch the same thing I did? It looked like she did just that. She was about to kill Ren but the earth splitting saved his ass. She was fighting with rage and anger. Just like a sith lord. While Kylo was just trying to convert her which looked like it was starting to work.
>>67748749
>>67748749
i used to be a massive star wars fan and was so prepared to be disappointed that i actually liked the movie
i just consider it a really good fan film
>>67751853
That's something that should happen over the course of the trilogy.
Was it just me or did it not feel like Star Wars?
WAIT HOLY SHIT I KNOW WHAT IT IS! It feels like a young adult movie ala Hunger games, maze runner etc...
>>67752502
It felt more like Star Wars than the prequels did
>>67752502
it felt exactly like the original movies you stupid dumbfuck
>>67752502
thats what i thought too
>>67752598
>>67752621
It felt like a Marvel movie, you don't know what you're talking about.
>>67752598
Nah man the young adult cast, female lead, lack of comfy scenery or half decent world building really blew it for me.
Not to mention the phoned in music score, terrible pacing, and the fact that the plot was a worsened version of ANH.
It was a sinking ship from the start and JJ wasn't plugging in the holes.
Episode I is shit, but remake of Episode IV it is most definitely not.
>>67752598
the prequels actualy had unique settings and a shit ton of aliens though
this was rehashed desert planet,rehashed wood area and rehashed cantina but with a fantasy feel which makes it 100% donut steal
>>67752717
>muh world building
the world is already built you fucking retard
>>67752758
because it tool old ideas
say what you will about lucas but at least he tried to do something new
who gives a fuck about how well something is filmed if its the same settings we saw 30+ years ago down to the goddamn ship.
>>67752745
TFA had new lead characters. Prequels didn't.
>>67748749
>Fan fiction tier shit
It really did feel like some fan-made shit only with a much higher budget than usual.
>>67752823
took*
>>67752758
Really? So you felt the same way about seeing Jakku or Maz Castle as you did about Tatooine or the Cantina?
Those are places that make you feel like you're part of a new world.
The ones in TFA were absolute trash tier and you fucking know it.
>>67752717
>young adult cast
Like Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman
>female lead
>MUH SJWS JEW JEW ABRAMS
go back to /pol/
>lack of comfy scenery
i.e. no tacky greenscreen Vienna ripoff
>world building
Like a 50s diner in space? Like the Super Mario lava planet?
>plot a worsened version of ANH
Episode I has the same exact main plot as ANH.
>>67752925
>Like a 50s diner in space?
You may be right about everything else, but I'm gonna have to stop you there, senpai.
>>67752758
No it isn't.
The movie doesn't make it clear at all what the structure of the galaxy is since RotJ.
>>67752884
Holy shit, this
>>67749375
This.
>>67752738
>boy from a desert planet leaves in order to train as a Jedi with a wise old man. Wise old man dies, before the boy saves the day by blowing up a large enemy structure to get an award in a large ceremony at the end.
It's like poetry. It rhymes.
>>67751014
>everyone who disagrees with me is either same fagging, shilling or retarded.
Kill yourself, faggot.
>>67752884
There's nothing like the Cantina scene in the prequel trilogy either.
>>67751326
The voice that plays when he hands over the message is somewhat similar to Temuera Morrison's
>>67752925
most of this shit I agree on except for 50's diner space, but good post nonetheless.
>>67752836
>chewey
>leia-getting a decent amount of screen time
>luke-being a main character
>c3po
>r2d2
>the millenium falcon coming back
>they literally had to make kylo related to the skywalkers for no reason at all and rey most likely too
oc characters
>poe-who is pretty much han 2.0 who was onscreen for a total of 5 mins
>finn-meant for comic relief,like a more coherent jarjar
>bb-8-Just another fucking droid meant to sell toys
>hux-only decent OC character
>chrome trooper-forgetable
>maz-yoda 2.0
its fucking nothing
I just watch the movie. Its was shit.
Fighting part was fucking suck.
CGI all over the place.
Let's blow up a fucking planet killer with our 20 good fighter plans vs them 500 million.
Its was stupid. Fuck you Disney fuck you JewJew.
4/10 - Too much sand.
/blog
>>67751326
Despite what /tv/ says the pacing of TFA was its biggest strength. Scenes like this would halt the movie, which was a major issue in the prequels.
>>67748749
>little kids making excuses to have seen movies they actually wanted to see and then making threads of their own volition under the idea of "coercion"
>>67753220
Is this post satirical?
>>67752717
I keep seeing people say the "young adult" thing, but Rey and Finn are the only really young ones. Kylo is 30, Poe is in his 30s, and everyone else we see in the First Order is above 30. Then there's old ass Han, who is a main character, old ass Leia, old ass Chewie, old ass Maz, and old ass Snoke.
This is no different from how it always was regarding the spread of ages so far.
>>67753378
>/blog
What do you think?
>>67753220
BR?
>>67752925
the prequels had
>citys underwater and urban
>kingdoms/temples
>space stations
>desert slave towns/lava planets
>interesting board/courtrooms
>plenty of interior ship scenes
regardless of how you feel about green screen,they atleast attempted to create things
>>67753211
>>they literally had to make kylo related to the skywalkers for no reason at all and rey most likely too
Are you fucking retarded? The entire thematic point of the movie is predicated on his relationship to Vader. His entire motivation as a character relies on that fact.
And if you look at the bulk of the screen time, Rey and Finn get most of it in TFA. While Anakin (who's in ANH) and Obi-Wan (who's in ANH) and R2D2 and C3PO (who are in ANH) get the bulk of the screen time in Episode 2.
>>67753094
>i dont know how to see how many posters there are
>>67753518
TFA also shot on location. The more earth-like environments are part of the OT tone and aesthetic that the film is going for.
>>67753534
vader and the empire were finished after rotj
there is no reason to continue their story
kylo/driver are shit regardless too
>>67753590
>let us rehash this old setting so people will think this movie is good
id rather have cg sets if they arent even going to try tbqh
>>67753618
>kylo/driver are shit regardless too
Now you're just being contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian
>>67753669
you geniuenly thought he was good?
are you 16?
do you have a vagina?
i literally dont know why im talking to you.good bye.
>>67753618
I don't know why you'd think the movies would stop revolving around the Skywalkers. Particularly in a trilogy that's set up as a fucking sequel not just some later occurring series in the Star Wars universe.
Would you rather Luke, Han and Leia not show up? If they're present than naturally Vader would still retain a presence. Vader has factored heavily into every movie of the series so of course it'll flow thematically into direct sequels. Vader is done, but the effects of him and his actions remain and affect the new characters, which makes complete fucking sense.
>>67749041
>Kylo Ren is the best character in the series since Han Solo
Wow, there are actually people who believe this?
Kylo Ren is literally Christian Haydensen tier Vader.
>muh "internal conflict"
Can't even win against a girl who just learned about the force. And don't give me that "he was injured bullshit".
He could stop a shot fired at his back at the start at the movie but suddenly loses this ability because the script says he has to lose to a girl.
He could totally freeze her before, doesn't even try in last fight.
Can kick her in the valley, just stands there while she has her eyes closed.
Kill yourself already.
>>67753665
The CG sets in the prequels looked like garbage. The sets in TFA looks like actual places. You have a terrible aesthetic sense if you think otherwise.
>>67753518
It's hard when your producer is also directing.
On ESB, George produced ILM's effects from California, while the Director Irvin Kershner spent a year story boarding, and six months shooting.
Altogether it took him over two years:
http://youtu.be/R66FvPTj2Yw
>>67753618
Both Lucas and Kathleen Kennedy say that Star Wars is a family drama about the Skywalkers. It's been that way since Empire.
>>67753741
>Don't give me the actual multiple explanations for why the story happened the way it did because I want to be mad.
>>67752080
Listen to the music before she went into Jedi Princess assault mode, it says everything. It was her 'centering' herself, there was no dark side there.
>>67752295
Yeah, and the protagonist shouldn't be kicking the shit out of the new Vader in the first movie if they want to make him a convincing villain either. I think that alone makes the case for Kylo being redeemed in 8 or 9.
>>67752502
I think part of it was that we know how it ends, JJ ripped off the original plot so blatantly that it created the glib facsimile meme. Not a single person in the theater over the age of 10, at any point in the film, had anything less than full faith that good would prevail. No tension. Rey didn't have to work for her power like Luke did. Even though Luke had DA CHOSEN ONE's blood in him he was a bitch ass little punk who never won a single fight without drawing on the dark side. Anakin gets his shit pushed in despite being the chosen one in every fight except when he took his revenge on Dooku.
She just got it handed to her, she got everything handed to her, she's the millennial Jedi. Instant gratification. She's always strong when she needs to be and everyone likes her from the word go, even the bad guy is obsessed with her. There has to be a saber fight in the movie so we know Kylo can't be redeemed, we know Han is fucking dead the minute he walks out on the catwalk. We know the death starkiller can't survive this movie. We know too much because JJ is too cowardly to do something good with the universe, he's content to do something that makes money and pleases the executives.
JJ fucked up in that he strayed too far from the monomyth and too close to star wars. He is a hack who has no idea what made SW good. Ironically, as a lot of people have pointed out, his first star trek movie was a better star wars movie than TFA.
>>67753741
You literally judge the quality of a character from a dramatic standpoint based on how powerful he is physically? Could you be more of a fucking pleb? Ren is interesting because he's a sad, pathetic school shooter with father issues. That's what makes him engaging, not the fact that he's a "le badass."
>>67753848
>Not a single person in the theater over the age of 10, at any point in the film, had anything less than full faith that good would prevail.
And the fact that they were wrong was what made the film interesting. The First Order destroyed the Republic, Finn was almost killed, and Han Solo died. The bad guys won in TFA.
>>67753942
But is Ren a different character after his first, second, or third failure? Does his decision making change? Is he different after killing his own dad?
>>67753848
>JJ ripped off ANH but why didn't Rey have to work for her powers like Luke (who tapped into the the force to destroy the Death Star without any training)?
>why wasn't Rey weak like Anakin who destroyed an entire federation ship when he was like 8?
>we knew the bad guys were going to lose despite the fact that they achieved most of their goals and created a power vacuum that allows them to take over the galaxy
Shit post
>>67752065
>American Graffiti and the original Star Wars were saved in editing
i'm listening to the jj trek commentary and that's absolutely true of that too
>>67748749
agreed. I honestly think episodes 1 and 3 are better than that steaming pile of shit
>>67754240
His is a trilogy-spanning arc. Don't pretend that you don't already know that he's going to be redeemed by episode 9. TFA is his first act.
>Is he different after killing his own dad?
Obviously yes.
>>67753942
>Ren is interesting because he's a sad, pathetic school shooter with father issues.
If that's what you find interesting, I feel sorry for you. Literally tumblr.
>>67754357
That's a good point, there might be a power vacuum at the end of the flick, but the movie itself isn't punctuated with it.
Everyone assumed that the Rebels won again.
>>67754507
>but the movie itself isn't punctuated with it.
It's the subject of the next film. We see them destroy the new Republic in this movie, and we're clearly going to see them take over in the next. This is a trilogy-spanning story.
>>67754451
Heavily flawed characters are always interesting.
>>67749041
>Kylo Ren is the best character in the series since Han Solo
>implying either of those characters are any good
I want tumblr to leave.
>>67754582
That sounds good to me, but I didn't read TFA that way. It seems like the Death Star is the main organizational unit of the Order.
If Kylo is different after killing his own dad, why not dramatise it? A fight isn't going to convey it.
For example, in the first episode, we see Neeson's character die in the last fight, but the meaning of the death is only conveyed with a funeral scene.
>>67749147
bernie, gonna skull fuck her
trump 2016
>>67748894
>(Leia not consoling Chewy after Han just died but going to Ray
Chewie is shown being alone mourning immediately after that, she didn't snub him. He just went off away from everyone to be alone.
>>67754381
Problems with JJ's movies relate to writing. He's a more talented director than Lucas. Lucas himself would probably even agree.
