Just finished rewatching this after a long Star Trek drought.
How do you unfuck this show? It was pretty good up until the whole show became about: 1) Bajoran religion bullshit, 2) Odo falling in love for no reason, 3) Plot threads introduced in the seventh season taht the show didn't have time to resolve in a satisfying matter, 4) DS9 became about war, not about cool space exploration and adventures.
The show is pretty good until the last season and a half.
>Deep Space Nine
>good
I liked the part where it wasn't Star Trek. Maybe the next series they do can be slapstick comedy or a ghost horror series.
>>67660747
>slapstick comedy
In Star Trek? Inconceivable!
>>67660747
>ghost horror
Also inconceivable!
The uniforms looked like shit in the later seasons.
That's actually a pretty decent metaphor for the show in general. It just got so drab and grey toward the end. Like it was ticking off boxes.
>3) Plot threads introduced in the seventh season taht the show didn't have time to resolve in a satisfying matter
I saw the finale for the first time yesterday and it was astoundingly shitty. How did the writers think it was a good idea to resolve the two major plotlines they had been developing for 5-7 seasons with 5-minute asspulls, and then spent 20 minutes on a nostalgia montage?
Dukat should have presented a legitimate claim against the Prophets. Maybe something like "Interference from non-linear beings enforces determinism and negates our free will".
Instead of Pah-Wraiths being PURE EVIL, their conflict should have been more nuanced. Instead of Dukat being their puppet, he could have been the one who convinced them to oppose the Prophets in the first place (it's not linear).
Instead of wanting to wipe out all life in the universe, Dukat/Pah-Wraiths should have wanted something simpler, like maybe their own wormhole. Have it lead to the Andromeda galaxy and you've got the setup for a new series on your hands.
I love season 7, aside from the Dukat/Winn storyline it's literally perfect.
>>67663539
Try thinking with your other head.
>>67660613
>>67660747
>>67661383
wrong opinions itt
correct facts:
ds9 = great, all ds9 seasons = great
>>67663630
Deep Space Nine did nothing wrong.
Except for introducing the Pah-Wraiths and turning the Bajoran religion into generic Good-Versus-Evil pap. And except for continuing the Mirror Universe storyline after its third episode. And except for removing the bisexuality aspect from Garak's character. And except for removing Kira from the O'Brien family's lives after she birthed their baby. And except for setting the final party in Vic's instead of Quark's. And except for removing Jadzia from the clip show. And except for setting up Ezri with Bashir instead of Jake. And except for introducing Solbor so late into the show, when he should have been a foil for Winn for years. And except for not including Worf's Enterprise friends in his wedding (Quark has holo-emitters in the bar, so they could have showed up as long-distance holo-transmissions).
And except for dropping Subcommander T'Rul from the show.
But other than that, Deep Space Nine did nothing wrong.
>>67663630
nah, the first two seasons are underrated but not great
the rest of the series is awesome though
>>67663791
>And except for setting up Ezri with Bashir instead of Jake
GET OUT
Babylon 5 is much better. The Patricians space-kino of choice
>>67663861
>Curzon as Ben's mentor/father figure
>Jadzia as Ben's peer/sister figure
>Ezri as Ben's protégé/daughter figure
>daughter figure as actual daughter-in-law
L I T E R A L P O E T R Y
Besides, putting her with Bashir is creepy.
>>67663880
>implying anything is more Patrician than Farscape
silence, pleb
>>67663969
Just stop
>>67664345
Explain what's good about her together with Bashir.
>>67663880
>stodgy, often cringe-worthy dialogue
>obnoxious space elves
>half of the cast can't act
>every other episode is preachy as fuck
>dat season 5
fuck no
>>67660613
why'd you pick the shittiest series OP?
>>67664485
>the shittiest series
That's Voyager to be honest.
DS9 did make a few mistakes though, and there are areas where it could have been improved. If you have any constructive criticism to offer, now's the time to bring it forth.
>>67664395
Ezri/Bashir was okay, nothing remarkable but believable enough.
It's just that the idea of pairing Ezri with the most useless, bland and hated character in the show might just be the worst idea I've ever heard
The faggot should have been killed off long before season 7
>>67664585
Voyager was more like TNG and TOS than DS9, mate. You go on and keep on thinking you actually like Star Trek.
>>67660613
>4) DS9 became about war, not about cool space exploration and adventures.
>space exploration.
How do you go about "exploring space" when your permanent duty station is a non mobile deep space outpost?
>became about war
Wars happened all the time in Star trek. the 4 years war ( war between federation and Klingon Empire, Romulan war, Cardassian war, etc, etc. We just never got to see wartime federation on screen until DS9.
>>67664660
Voyager had the worst writing though. Even the actors on the show say that the writing was a disappointment. Even writers from the show say that the writing was a mess.
Being similar to TOS and TNG doesn't stop it from being the worst.
>>67664660
>It doesn't copy the formula enough
>wahhh you're not a true Trek nerd like me
kill yourself
>>67664732
>it's not really trek at all
ftfy
>>67664815
It's a great show, that's all that matters. Only a pathetic autist would give a fuck about how similar or dissimilar it is
I love TOS and TNG, but I also love DS9 for different reasons. Why can't you just stop being a faggot about it?
>>67664815
I have some bad news for you: You aren't the center of the universe. The world does not revolve around you. People have lives outside of you, and they don't live their lives according to what you think and say.
The people who own Star Trek say that DS9 is Star Trek, and so it is.
I understand that every night you cry bitch tears about how helpless and powerless you are to stop them, but that's just life.
>>67663791
All of those are nitpicks except for the first one.
>>67665020
T'Rul is a serious complaint. DS9 had the opportunity to give us some massive insight into the Romulans, and they totally dropped that ball.
Is this whole thread bait?
>>67664901
funny, i was about to post
>waaah
for you :)
>>67665056
No. You can like something while acknowledging that it has flaws. You can like something without approving of 100% of everything about it. Give it a try.
>>67664242
my nigga
>>67660816
shittiest episode of TNG, bar none.
>>67660779
...point taken
>>67665056
DS9 threads are always fullof pretentious assblasted trolls who spergrage when you dont say ds9 is DA BEST.
voyager and tng threads are full of bros joking around and ds9 trolls are ignored.
>>67665181
I've never seen a DS9 thread where there wasn't bait posts about it's "not real Star Trek" and "who the fuck wants to watch a show about Ferengi Space Jews?"
>>67665181
More like
>Voyager thread: DS9 fans behave themselves
>DS9 thread: Voyager fans get upset and throw tantrums
Voyager fans have been shitposting this thread since reply #1.
Meanwhile, this thread is full of DS9 fans talking about DS9 did wrong and how it could have been better.
Since you're such a big Voyager fan, can you tell us what Voyager did wrong and how it could have been better?
>>67665181
Of course people just joke around in Voyager threads, everyone knows the show itself is a joke
Also the last thread I recall was nothing but scat fanfiction and discussion of watersports
>>67663539
Mirror Ezri was the moment where Trekfus jumped the shark and became too perfect for even a fictional universe
>that Ezri/Kira kiss
>waaaaaah
kek
>>67664658
>the most useless, bland and hated character in the show
I'll grand you the first one, but I hardly see how he was bland or hatable. Hell, one of the most beloved episodes was a Jake episode (albeit focused quite a bit on the old Jake played by a different actor).
Bashir was nearing Geordi levels of romantic incompetence until that final success, but if they had more time some kind of fling with Jake could have developed his character.
>>67665052
Half a season more could have solved so many of DS9's problems. They were just bringing the Romulans back into the picture with the alliance and Section 31 and then everything ends.
>>67665708
Bashir was likable, and his bromances with Garak and Miles were epic. I found myself wanting him to succeed, and when he got together with Ezri I felt happy for him.
Nothing about Jake made me want to see more of him in any sort of subplot, especially a romance with the cutest character in the series. If this happened, I would have raged like a motherfucker
there were only 4 likeable characters in all of DS9
Voyager thread?
>>67665848
>If this happened, I would have raged like a motherfucker
Annoying viewers is a totally worthwhile endeavor, if only to savor the vitriol of their reactions.
I call it: The Neelix Principle
never forget
>>67666005
What the philanthropy did you just charitably say about my lobes, you little grubworm? I’ll have you know I paid hefty bribes to graduate top of my class in business school, and I’ve been involved in numerous covert transactions in the Gamma Quadrant, and I have over 300 confirmed sales. I am trained in gorilla marketing and I’m the top merchant in the entire Ferengi Alliance. You are nothing to me but just another mark. I will bankrupt you the altruism out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before in this sector, mark my communist words. You think you can get away with saying that benevolence to me over this comm channel? Think again, slimedevil. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of botnet data miners across the galaxy and your coordinates are being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, snuffbeetle. The liquidation storm that empties out the pathetic little thing you call your savings account. You’re voluntarily destitute, youngling. I can book transportation anywhere, anytime, and I can impoverish you in over forty-seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my own PADD. Not only am I extensively trained in fund management, but I have access to the entire financial arsenal of the Eff See Ayy and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable latinum off the plate of the gold, you little waste matter. If only you could have known what unprofitable retribution your little “two cents” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your altruistic tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you Gintdamn idiot. I will donate class all over you and you will be in the lowest. You’re fiscally worthless, poorboy.
>>67665966
fukken saved
>>67663969
>daughter figure with actual son
You from Mississippi?
>>67666136
Louisiana
what was she thinking
Daily reminder
>>67666215
Murder is a Star Trek tradition.
>>67666277
is there a version of this that isn't retarded?
>>67666358
>>67666277
VOY>ENT>DS9>TNG>TOS>JJ
>>67666433
>>67666358
>>67666277
>it's a Tuvok betrays the crew episode.
>>67666464
The shitty quality here is just embarrassing. As expected of Voyager apologists.
>>67666474
The crew betrayed Tuvok.
>>67664242
>BDSM Rigel all of a sudden
I laff everyteim
>>67665368
It's that time again.
>>67666542
>diaper fetishists
>>67666513
TUVIX DID NOTHING WRONGI don't forgive you.
>it's a Harry Kim slips in the theater sonic shower episode
>>67666434
>JJ Trek ranked last
At least you got that right.
Deep Space 9 was great.
It's different from regular Trek, but that is okay, because each Trek is different in its own way.
I like to say TOS was the tall-tales of Trek, TNG was ideal of the federation/humanity, and DS9 is the reality. You get to see normal people, live normal lives, in the Trek universe, and that is awesome! DS9 dove head first into the parts of the Trek universe that we're completely untouched. We got to sympathize with people that hated the Federation. We got to see the Federation commit fucking war crimes and then their best attempts at justifying them.
Odo was a hilarious character that was tons of fun. As the 'odd' character that had to follow up Data, I'd say that shapeless mother fucker did a pretty damn good job. The bucket jokes. The fucking timeless Odo-Quark episodes. Yea his dating bits were insufferable but every Trek has its low points.
And fucking Weyoun. GARAK. For fucks sake, it had Iggy Pop.
Real talk though, DS9 ruined Worf's character.
>the adventure when they time traveled
>when they fought their evil counterparts in another universe
>when the ship was taken over by aliens and their clever plan to take it back
>the epic space battle when the Enterprise was torn apart
>when he had to decide the fate of a species
>that time he exposed a conspiracy in Starfleet
>when he realized the bridge crew became a family and risked his life
>when they went where no man had gone before
DS9 > TOS = TNG >>>>>>>>>> VOY = ENT > TAS >>>>>> the worst torture imaginable >>>>>> JJ reboot films
>>67666434
you just know
>>67666556
she can poopoopeeppee in that diapey all she wants id still hit it
>>67666858
>>67666766
Yeah, the DS9 writers completely fucked up on Worf. He was my favorite character in TNG, and in DS9 he became a one-dimensional, humorless shadow of himself
It's weird because they do a much better job in general with character writing compared to other Trek shows, but with Worf it's like they had no clue except "Now we have Worf from TNG, he was popular right? Ratings when?"
>>67666891
they also wrecked his discommendation arc to just repeat it on ds9, and destroyed his brother for shit and giggles
>>67665945
God, this.
It was like the Bajorans were space Jews constantly bitching about their fucking genocide over and over and over again. It was a broken fucking record is what it was.
It was also why I hated Major Marjoring Super-Cunt. Every episode 'muh occupation, mug prophets, muh resistance.'
God, I wish she had been killed by Degra in Darkness and Light.
>>67666041
Goddammit, why did this make me laugh?
Everybody's lesbian for Seven of Nine.
>>67666513
>Janeway says she doesn't have the freedom to kill somebody to save another to the Vidiians
>Murders Tuvix to save Tuvok and Neelix
Clearly ethics are arbitrary on Voyager - numbers are all that matters.
>>67666569
I wonder what Naomi looks like these days. Does she still act?
Apparently Star Trek is death to a career so I wonder what it's be like to a child actor.
>>67666932
Kira is actually one of my favorite characters, there was the occasional episode where they made her annoying but mostly she was great. Never understood all of the hate
Also Nana Visitor is an amazing actress
>>67667089
Instead of the prime directive, Voyager operates underneath janeway's present mood.
>>67667109
newb. she in some shitty band
>>67667109
It only kills your career if you didn't already have a career beforehand
In other words it has no effect
>>67667014
*Seven of Mine
>>67667134
Hmmm. Would certainly explain her murder streaks and Prime Directive violations every few times a season.
>>67667138
Cor blimey. Not bad.
>>67666569
>>67667165
>unironically being a pedophile
Wew, tough luck with that wasted libido, mate.
>>67660613
>4) DS9 became about war, not about cool space exploration and adventures.
cry more, you already have 4 shows doing this.
>>67666207
hir just wanted some dick
>>67667263
>not liking the taste of pom
>>67667749
a jeri pic i dont have. thanks.
We posting Jeri Ryan pics now?
>>67667827
This drone will comply.
>>67667971
>>67660613
I'm rewatching DS9 right now.
It's the best Trek, maybe tied with TNG.
It's the war stuff and plotlines that shakes it up. Voyager goes back to the TNG "freak of the week" formula and it's horrible.
I like that DS9 isn't just TNG 2.0. Like Voyager is.
Also, Enterprise is good too. Especially Season 3 and 4.
![2346[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Oog9idB.jpg "2346[1].jpg")
>it's a kria being an awesome character until she opens her mouth about some stupid fucking bajoran bullshit episode
>>67668053
Basically every Kira episode then.
>>67668053
Seeing protagonists on DS9 fight each other constantly is what elevates it above TNG where everyone is so fucking civil to each other all the time.
I like Kira. She's no Ro, tho. Based Ro...
>>67668060
Kira gets pretty GOAT when she's hanging out with Cardassians.
>Kira and Maritza in the brig
>Kira and Dukat in the desert
>Kira and Garak in the basement
>Kira and Damar in the runabout
DS9 was a bit of a letdown from someone coming straight out of TNG, but it was fine. Sure I missed the exploration, but not every show needed to be the same.
The main problem was that it was followed by two subpar "exploration" show, which leaves a bad taste in the mouth
>>67668096
>Seeing protagonists on DS9 fight each other constantly
shit taste. this is a good reason why most of the ds9 cast was so unlikeable.
>>67668125
Kira/Dukat had the best episodes, too bad they turned him into a mustache twirling c-c-c-CRAZY vilain toward the end
>>67668060
the problem is that nana visitor is a way more charismatic actor than the part they actually gave her.
Kira just fucking about on the ship. A+
Kira being a terrorist (except for that time she tried to blow up her mum for being a slut) A+
Kira going on about some bajoran muh prophets shit F
>it's a Quark makes a massive profit but fucks up and loses it all episode
![tumblr_inline_noo9xrPvPi1r582r6_500[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4vEwrdg.jpg "tumblr_inline_noo9xrPvPi1r582r6_500[1].jpg")
>>67668303
>Oh hello kira, yes I know it's 3AM, I thought i'd just call you to say that I fuckt ur mum fagget and add me on xbox live if you want to get fuckt too, dukat out.
>It's a mod samefagging
>>67668341
>Hello, this is Major Kira Nerys, executive officer and official liaison of the Bajoran Provisional Government at starbase Deep Space Nine. Please leave a message after the tone, and I'll get back to you as soon as possible. Thanks.
>*beep*
>Hi Nerys, it's me again, your dear friend Dukat. Listen, can I borrow some latinum? I'm brokering a deal with an exiled prince of the Nij'eryan Empire to restore Cardassia to its former glory. All we need is some initial seed money to pay his administrative fees and then we can access the full balance of his bank accounts, and his gracious lordship will give me the funds to make Cardassia rise triumphant once again. Contact me as soon as you can so we can transfer your latinum to me. Love, Gul Dukat. Uh, er, ah, I mean, sincerely, Gul Dukat.
>>67668464
k
>>67668481
>it's a Neelix & Chili episode
>>67668379
?
![Ugly_191[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ToPBlXX.jpg "Ugly_191[1].jpg")
>>67668481
>>67668518
why does every character in ds9 and voyager look like they're dressed up in an ugly couch?
>>67668549
this shit is just awful>>67668659
>>67668641
>>67668627
>>67668604
>>67668577
>>67668695
Problem, officer?
Okay, alright, here it is, the battle you've all been waiting for:
Jake Sisko versus Wesley Crusher
>>67668577
>>67668812
>it's a Jamake Highwater episode
>>67663880
I want to hatefuck Delenn and Marry Leta.
>>67669714
A pity he never had that much personality in the show. There was that episode where he met his people's gods, and the one where he was in a boxing match, and that's pretty much it.
>>67670907
Well, apparently the actor was outspoken against the idiotic racism toward native americans that was going on, as well as that the inclusion of Seven of Nine turned the show into largely a Captain Janeway / Seven of Nine vehicle. So the produces just sorta dropped him after Season 4 onwards because they didn't like his attitude.
It shows too. There's very few "Chakotay" episodes in Season 5-7. There's several episodes he's just not in at all.
>>67664588
I just started watching this a few weeks ago and I have to say it's pretty damn entertaining.
Why does /tv/ hate it so much?
I have a question.
In the episode where Enterprise is being perused by some aliums at warp they talk about shooting the Phase Cannons at them.
I thought you couldn't shoot phaser type weapons at warp speeds?
>>67664585
(Not who you replied to) I'm going through Voyager again right now. I roll my eyes a lot more with this series than any other, yet I still enjoy it most of the time.
DS9 starts slow as fuck (as does any trek series), but damn if it didn't get wonderful. I love how, to me anyway, it ends up really developing the character stories more deeply cause they aren't exploring and coming across new stuff every episode. Weakest part for me is Avery's overacting, BUT he is a good captain nonetheless. Also, liked Quark and Garak the best. Main thing that bothered the hell out of me was how whiny the Bajorans are. I hate them as a character race SO much.
TNG will always be my favorite though.
For something a little different, why don't we talk about best musicals?
My favourites would probably be:
Live-Action
>The Producers 2005
>Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street 2007
>Mary Poppins 1964
>Moulin Rouge! 2001
>Grease 1978
Animated:
>The Lion King 1994
>South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut 1999
>Aladdin 1992
>The Nightmare Before Christmas 1993
>The Little Mermaid 1989
>>67674042
Wow, I didn't make a new thread for that? I am drunk.
>>67673020
It's not TNG/TOS. That's basically why people hate any Trek.
Enterprise is definitely the weakest Trek, but the first two seasons show real promise. Then they start using the Temporal Cold War and/or Space 9/11 (Xindi) too much, and bring the Trip & T'Pol relationship up too much. Season 4 was better, but there were too many multi part episodes.
>>67673971
>DS9 is a character show
I don't mind that. Quark/Odo and Bashir/Garak, those were really great combinations. Some of the characters just changed in weird ways (Kira, Odo, Worf).
I agree that Avery Brooks flew off the handle in the last few seasons and started chewing scenery at near Shatner levels, but it usually wasn't unbearable.
The Dominion War just rubbed me the wrong way, I don't know.
Vic being shoved into the show at the last minute (basically taking over the function that Quark's bar did) was weird. I liked Vic's character a lot, but he seemed almost unnecessary.
I still contend that the last season and a half/last two seasons throw this show off.
>>67671797
That's dumb as shit. His character had potential. He was a Maquis captain, a direct result of the Cardassian treaty, not to mention a boxing enthusiast and a fairly religious Native American. He should've had way more depth than they gave him.
I disliked how he became an accessory for 7 of 9 in the last season or so, for virtually no reason.
"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."
>>67675088
>It's Pat: The Planet
>Riker still bangs a chick
That is one powerful beard he has.
>>67673020
Thought it was boring
The fact the "new idea" was to go back in time to when they had shitty technology and are exploring areas that are already exposed in earlier series
Maybe I'll try watching it again tho. Im on season 3 of DS9 and I'm not impressed
>>67676140
>when they had shitty technology
Except that the technology level is basically the same as in later series.
Phase pistols/cannons? No difference between them and phasers.
Hull plating? Functionally no real difference between this and shields.
Grappling hook? There's maybe one episode where it's not as useful as a tractor beam.
Transporters? It takes about two episodes for the crew to not be afraid of them anymore.
Universal translator? Thank goodness we still have that.
Just like Voyager, Enterprise is all about betraying its own premise.
