Okay just saw this movie and now I know what the critics were talking about because it was pretty fucking atrocious to anyone with at least half a brain.
I'm just gonna try and go through scene by scene or at least the main shit to show why it was fucking bad.
First we open with a pretty blatant retcon of the last movie with non stop corny and horrible contrived scene, first we open with a few explosions with Zod and Superman destroying some buildings then Batman runs in calling up some random faggot and tells him to get out of the building, this man who didn't seem to notice the 20 or buildings that have blown up right behind him tells everyone to get out a few minutes later not only did he not leave the building but he actually is one the exact same floor and room from a few minutes ago he then prays so the audience can prepare for the uh very subtle religious Jesus imagery of superman for the next 2 hours.
Later on Batfleck finds a man under a building who keeps yelling cliches like muh legs I can't feel muh legs, this man for some reason will waste the movies runtime with his non stop pointless scenes, next we have some random little girl we never see again in some contrived sadness scene, at this point I'm already yawning in the cinema.
Cont
It's obvious that it was too deep your your Marvel-addled brain
even plebs thought it was shit
its basically bro dude "nerds" and the kind of cunt who has viral marketing on their facebook/twitter header that liked it
>>67651308
So later wheelchair muh legs dude climbs a big statue of Superman to put grafitti on it but I'm sitting there just wondering why on earth would there be big tax payer paid statue for superman in the first place? Everyone in this fucking movie hates Superman and justifiably because he's a completely obnoxious prick who basically murdered thousands of people, answers to nobody, seems to have a scowl on his face when he saves people in depressing slow motion and he's also a pretty laughable hypocrite to Batman who he seems to hate because he does the same things he does but in a different city. So why does he have a big ass expensive statue anyway? In fact in this movie he seems to be on trial for something to do with some terrorists which doesn't make any fucking sense btw.
Cont
Lousy bait.
>>67651308
Why the fuck are you giving a detailed synopsis to a film we have all seen?
Go shill in r/marvelstudio/ if your that desperate to type
>>67651325
>>67651339
>>67651395
>>67651410
>>67651346
>everyone in the movie hates Superman
someone didn't fucking pay attention
a bunch of protestors and a few politicians =/= everyone you dip
>>67651325
>DCucks were so impressed by the first christ figure imagery blatant enough for their tiny brains to notice that they assume everyone else was just not clever enough to get it
It was so shallow that a 10 year old would spot it. The fact that Snyder's completely unsubtle religious and philosophical imagery impressed you is a testament to how much of a total pleb you are.
>>67651346
Superman only killed Zod on purpose,the rest was collateral damage that he wasn't able to avoid. Batman on the other hand is PSTD ridden and fucking brands criminals, indirectly giving them a brutal death in prison. They aren't the same.
>>67651308
the shitfullness of your bait is exceedingly terrific
>>67651346
>big tax payer paid statue
WROOOOOOOOOOOONG! It's not told if it was privately funded or not. Don't assume things. Plus, retcon of the previous movie? Really? How wrong can a person be?
>>67651308
This is.. wow um fuck u movie was great
>>67651346
>guy saves the whole world and people lives everyday, adored as Jesus himself
>hurr durr why does he have a statue
>>67651308
I love how the dumbasses on this board think that plot description constitutes film criticism or analysis. I mean there's plenty of stuff to criticize in the movie but listing things that you think don't make narrative sense is absolutely embarrassing. You sound like you don't know shit about film on any level at all.
Why everyone blamed Superman for the deaths of countless people killed by gunfire in Africa? How is supposed to be Superman's fault?
>>67651654
Why are people blaming America for a Syrian civil war?
>>67651685
Are you telling me that Superman is America, Batman is Russia and the population is the rest of the world?
Poetry
>>67651654
It was set up by Luthor
>>67651621
>This character didn't act with total logic and foresight. Plothole!
>>67651621
Wea re not talking about Tarr dude, it's Superman
>>67651308
You sound like afaggot-fucking Mouseketeer
>>67651308
Oh, look who just watched Kevin Smith's review. You're adorable.
>>67651346
Okay lets go to Batman scenes now, okay so he keeps having these random ass dreams that really have no purpose and feel like they belong in another movie the worst of these is easily the scene where Batman in a trench coat fighting some wanna be Nazis who work for superman, not sure if you can get movie heavy handed and laughable than this, then this scene ends with somehow even worse scene with some random ass fucking faggot out of no where in a monitor fucking screaming at Batman for what must of been 10 minutes I literally could not stop laughing at this horrible fucking scene.
Other horrid scenes with Batman in this movie include when he's uh hacking Lex Luthor computer and an anorexic Chinese woman who had 2 lines in the movie tells him the bathroom is upstairs and then just walks off, he later comes back to this room he's not allowed to be in because there is no security at all, this nonsense leads to him eventually discovering Wonder Woman in one of shittiest reveals ever.
There's also obvious all the scenes where Batman goes around torturing and murdering people when the fight eventually came I began to wonder which of these evildoers I should root for.
Batman seems as though he's gonna win but then he learns Superman's mommy has the same name as his and they immediately become best friends because Batman no longer gives a shit about why he was fighting him to begin with
>>67651938
uh-huh. Then what happened?
>>67651308
>they make 3 jokes in the movie about clark vs batman fighting
>the actual fight is shit 5 minutes long
>>67651938
Pls continue, haven't seen the movie and enjoying this.
>>67651938
Skipped a ton of stuff in there bud
>>67651308
I really didn't get Aquaman's role in all this. Can a capekino expert explain?
>>67651938
>>67652105
30 seconds cameo in which he blasts people out of his home? What's there to explain?
>>67652226
Why he was included at all?
How did the beginning retcon the ending of MOS? Nothing was changed... It just showed it from a different perspective.
what was that cyborg cube?
>mfw Gal Gadot speaks
>>67652253
Because Luthor jr. had an hateboner for siperhumans and because he will be a member of the Justice League
>>67652105
He is there to draw the Game of Thrones neckbeard audience
>>67652257
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Box
There goes my hero, watch him as he goes.
>>67651308
>Okay just saw this movie
Up until now I actually thought this was some internet joke. Now that I think of it, it still is an internet joke. I can't believe someone greenlighted it. lol
>>67652226
why has aquaman legs if he lives under water, that is stupid, legs allow almost no underwater motion
>>67651938
Next Lex Luthor which was easily the worst character assassination in the movie.
So he hates Superman for reasons that are never really explained or make sense, so he comes up some random ass convoluted ways to try and kill him or maybe not?
For instance there was scene in a courtroom where superman is on trial for something to do with some terrorists than Lex Luthor hired or something but they blame Superman for for some reason, well in this scene Lex Luthor uses a man in a wheelchair to blow the courtroom up, Superman who is the only survivor with thousands dead around just makes a face like he's farted or something.
So I thought here okay so Lex Luthor is trying to frame Superman here right? Well uh no actually no one blames Superman at all which makes me wonder what the point of it was other than more random explosions? Well it guess it leads to another bullshit dream sequence but this time with Superman's dad on top of a mountain chopping wood saying things that didn't really seem to relate to anything happening in the movie.
>>67652404
Said OP.
>>67652410
Why have you an absurd speech pattern? Are you from the Elizabethan era?
>>67652507
>Are you from the Elizabethan era?
Nope, just a spergy Mouseketeer awaiting Kevin Feige's next cinematic BM.
>>67651938
>There's also obvious all the scenes where Batman goes around torturing and murdering people when the fight eventually came I began to wonder which of these evildoers I should root for.
You realize it's meant to be ambiguous since they both have justifications right? Heroes being misguided and fighting each other is a very long running theme in fiction.
>>67652452
We learn as well later Lex Luthor has been sending Batman random messages insulting him that he has never actually read to try and get him to hate superman I think? Well Batman seems to suddenly know that he's being used by Lex Luthor and then steals Kryponite from him off screen so he can go fight superman anyway.
Lex Luthor seems happy about this even though his like a 100 of men died earlier stopping murderman (batman) getting the kyrponite.
Lex then decides he's gonna kidnap supermans mom and girlfriend.
Superman can sense his girlfriend from a million miles away for some reason but not his mother.
Lex Luthor tries to challenge superman here and force him to kill Batman who he now hates too for some reason by giving his mother a 30 minute time limit he never tells Superman this though.
what I don't understand is all the people saying Wonder Woman was the best part of the movie. I didn't like her very much at all.
>>67652886
She was just as terrible as I thought she would be. Zero charisma or presence, stick figure, brought nothing to the table story-wise.
>>67652105
He, Flash, Cyborg, and to an extent Wonder Woman were all there just to set up future films, in an even worse way than Iron Man 2.
>>67652996
>>67652886
I hated her, but liked her theme.
>>67652886
she also in the movie 7 minutes max
>>67653067
Hated the guitar in that theme. The movie actually made me want to see what happened to her 100 years ago
>>67652996
>>67653067
she shouldn't have been in the movie at all. All the Justice League nonsense served to drag the movie down. Honestly I'm like OP, I just walked out of the theater. After that scene in Metropolis... I really liked that scene. I liked it a lot, actually. After that the movie just degrades and gets dumber and dumber. I mean I'm not even getting into Lex.
>>67653155
You only have to wait a year, bucko
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonder_Woman_%282017_film%29
Wonder Woman was in the movie to serve as a new love interest for Batman.
Bruce had forsaken his humanity. Remember the heir line by Alfred? But then Wonder Woman showed and then Superman redeemed him and all of this give him a new chance at life.
who to blame?
the screenwriter Goyer or the director Snyder?
this duo made the Man of steel too.
http://strawpoll.me/7232716
>>67653169
It took me awhile to get over the denial that Jesse was Lex while I was watching the film. I went in blind to be unbiased as possible and tried to judge it alone and not on previous Bat or DC movies and more of the source. I was disappointed how they portrayed Lex, I thought they were gonna make Lex a big charismatic dude that was also intimidating and a brilliant strategist.
>>67652452
I thought Luthor's motivations for wanting to kill Superman were pretty clear. He's paranoid that Superman will turn dictator and nobody will be able to stop him.
One of those absolute power corrupts absolutely things. So he's taking preemptive action.
>>67653309
I wish we got more detail on what Terrio's changes were, all his babbling about mythology in interviews doesn't really say anything.
>>67653336
I accepted going in that he wasn't gonna be comic Lex, Eisenberg couldn't pull that off. But I at least wanted him to be an interesting evil... I dunno, basically Jessie Eisenberg. Yuppie bullshitter egomaniac. And he was like that for like 10 minutes, but it turns out he's just a fucking crazy person. I still don't 100% get his motivation.
>>67652775
>Lex Luthor seems happy about this even though his like a 100 of men died earlier stopping murderman (batman) getting the kryponite.
He probably ordered those men to bring him the kryptonite with the plan to get it to batman later. The random goons knew nothing about this so they fought to protect the item they were delivering.
>>67651308
>You write that story about the local high school football team yet Clark?
>No sir I'm writing a compelling article about a vigilante named Batman in Gotham ci....
>NO YOU FUCKING MORON NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THAT WRITE A FUCKING ARTICLE ABOUT THE LOCAL FOOTBALL TEAM OR YOU'RE FIRED!
>Yes sir!
>>67653455
What was Lex's motivation? I'm getting hazy ideas of it being "Dei-cide" and hating god figures from being so batshit crazy. But yeah, I thought he was gonna be quirky egomaniac with a heavy serving of cunning.
>>67653539
Batman has been operating for 20+ years, its old news. "Crime in gotham" next "Water is Wet". Theres only so many times people will give a fuck about batman taking out some gangsters.
This movie made me really uncomfortable. Something about the strange way it's edited, the overt religious imagery, the out of place dream sequences, the lack of convincing character motivations, and the looming threat of world destruction from both Superman and DC's big bad made the whole movie seem kind of surreal. Really, if you were to watch this clip completely out of context, you'd think it's from a horror movie or something: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-MUzvASr8s
>>67653650
Yeah man no would care about Batman when there's a local sports team doing something
>>67653779
Clearly the WB execs were right, this movie is too smart for people. kill yourself
>>67651410
Why do you think you're welcome on this board, real <bannedwebsitename> poster?
>>67653779
Yes, actual recent news, you stupid cow
>anyone with at least half a brain.
by that logic the marvel movies should also have 20%
>>67653779
>>67653848
Keep it up DC bros
>>67653779
tbf if the editor tells a newsie to write about sports and he decides fuck that imma write about a vigilante, the editor would be pissed.
of course the editor should probably read the story notes first to see if it's good.
and also get a handle on his staff, why the fuck is the guy assigned to filler in the sports section using company time to fuck about in the crime beat?
>>67653880
>BUT MUH MARVEL!
>>67653941
what I don't understand is how Clark kept his job. Being a journalist is hard, and so is being Superman, and Clark barely does either. Also how the fuck are they going to bring back Superman without revealing his secret identity
>>67651308
why the fuck is aquaman in the poster?
>>67654091
That's Rob Zombie you casual
>>67654149
>not knowing Roman Reigns
>>67654044
I have a feeling perry knows that clark is superman. If that is the case that would explain everything
wheelchair bomber man was the funniest thing about BvS
>>67652775
Go on dude, plz.
>>67651938
>Other horrid scenes with Batman in this movie include when he's uh hacking Lex Luthor computer and an anorexic Chinese woman who had 2 lines in the movie tells him the bathroom is upstairs and then just walks off, he later comes back to this room he's not allowed to be in because there is no security at all, this nonsense leads to him eventually discovering Wonder Woman in one of shittiest reveals ever.
This shit was seriously the most retarded thing in the entire movie.
0 security around servers containing the most secret Lexcorps data. Not even fucking cameras. Even doors were unlocked
>>67651938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgnz9CbQODY
>>67651938
>>67655869
This so fucking much, his "database" was literally next to the kitchen with no guards whatsoever
>>67651308
Why is aquaman in that picture? He wasn't in the movie...
>>67656103
did you watch the camrip or something? He's one of the files Batman decrypts and ratface watches
>>67655869
I actually forgot how terrible this was because of how absolutely atrocious the cameos themselves were
>>67652358
It would have been silly if they kept motherbox looking like an iphone :3
>>67656372
they've had many designs, it's generally a cube don't know why they used that example
>>67653539
>Crime in gotham...Water Wet
Just saw the movie couple hours ago.
There wasn't even one scene with luthor that was good. Is it because of eisenberg or shitty writing and directing?
>>67656700
>Snyder movie
>Goyer movie
Guess.
>>67656700
I'm sure a combination of all 3 he was definitely pushed to act that way but I'm sure if Eisenberg read anything having to do with Luther or even watched an episode of smallvile he would have done a more tempered performance.
>>67653309
Goyer's story treatment was posted on reddit a few months ago and it was WAAAAY better than the final story in terms of plotting. Id feel safe putting the blame on Snyder, as the changes made seemed more like things dictated to Terrio
>>67655869
Hi Disney, you obviously missed that entire scene because of the camrip. Had you have watched the film legally and be of consenting age to understand, you would have seen Alfred helping him the entire way through though scenes, add to that drama unfolded at the day of thd dead parade and everyone was watching the news
>>67658765
>>67651562
Actually it makes sense for it to be government funded because most people he saved in MoS or actually the only people he saved except for Lois and that dumbass family at the end were millitary.
>>67656322
which wasn't enough screen time to be featured in promo pics and posters. Why not their shitty flash too?
>>67652452
He hates Superman because he hates any individual with extreme power over him. This stemmed from his father's abuse and was expressly mentioned in the movie.
The "Superman did it" idea would not have held up, due to a combination of both security footage in a government office and the fact that anyone looking after the fact could easily see the origin of the explosion. Getting the idea across that Superman will not always be able to protect people is a far more tenable case. Moreover, it made Superman directly question himself.
I'd say the worst affront is why Batman went full retard and attempted to kill Superman over the inadvertent damage to his building from Superman's fight with Zod.
>>67651308
It did what it tried to achieve.....Pretty much put aside Superman the comics way and introduce the feel of what's to come. Like it or hate it, you will get over it.
>>67652775
I think he tries to get him to kill Batman because he thought Batman would win, which he would have. It wasn't out of hatred for Batman.
>>67655869
>anorexic Chinese woman who had 2 lines in the movie
It would have been so much more epic if Wonder Woman only had a 30 second cameo after the credits instead
>>67651654
>>67651754
To expand on that a bit, Luthor was the guy providing those hired mercs and the armament the warlord was using. When Supes showed up, they acted on what appear to have been standing orders to execute all the warlord's loyal henchmen, then take off to massacre the town.
From what I understand, there's a longer, uncut scene that details this.
>>67651308
>>67651308
ITS PERFECT CAPEKINO YOU FUCKING NORMIE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>67651685
Americans Financed the "rebels". Hell, a former presidential candidate took pictures with the Rebels.
>>67659789
Okay we picked a side. We didn't start the entire fucking civil war you dipshit.
>>67651938
Pic is out of date senpai, rotten score should be lower.
>>67659487
MCU BTFO
>>67651654
they massacred all the villagers as superman was arriving to save lois
made it look like a mad firefight had taken place w/ superman that left dozens dead (including civilians)
>>67651621
This is capeshit, anon. It doesn't deserve any actual analysis.
>>67651621
Im actually interested in what youre talking about.
What are the usual criteria to judge a movie? Im pretty sure the real critics have some of those nobody knows about, just like nobody actually knows shit about science but everyone "loves" it and talk about it like experts.
>>67651308
Well shit anon, next time remember your Ritalin and it won't be as bad.
I just saw it and noticed how sloppy it was.
Batman deduced that Doomsday had kyrptonian dna and needed to use the spear. Then magically Lois knew without given ANYTHING to base her deduction on other than seeing a big monster thing from afar. Then when Superman pulls her out of the water he automatically knows that she was going for the spear and the spear was in the water.
Also why the fuck couldn't wonder woman use the spear on doomsday? She was strong enough to cut his limbs off with her Sword of Social Justice so why didn't they just have her use the spear on him and not let superman because the the kryptonite fucked with him.
>>67652011
>they make 3 jokes about clark vs batman
>most are in the trailer
>>67651734
luthor is the jews
>>67651852
>>67651482
Not to mention there were many people in the crowd supporting Superman. For example, in the very front, there was a woman sranding next to some fag protesting, she was wearing a "Superman brings hope" shirt, or something like that, and was cheering. Obviously it was a mixed crowd.
>>67653309
The DC execs who applauded the film when they saw it.
http://comicbook.com/2015/08/07/batman-v-superman-screening-gets-standing-ovation-affleck-gettin/
"The big wigs were reportedly so impressed with the film, that they gave it a standing ovation."
MoS was alright. It had great moments. And I think Sndyer is a visionary, and Goyer can do great work. But I want to hunt down who are these big wigs at DC who think they can pull off their executive meddling, and turn what should have been a one to two story movie into a four in one movies.
What really pisses me about the movie was the hamfisted nods to the Justice League movie, the dread of a Darkseid future, ambiguous Flash timetravel. I get it DC. You want to get Darkseid out before Marvel reveals Thanos. You don't have to beat us into submission and force your cock down out throat just to get that point across.
So fuck you DC. And fuck the capekino meme and DCucks too.
>>67651517
But Birdman on the other hand was a masterpiece.
>>67651938
>I've never heard of building character motive, foreshadowing, building emotional relationships between characters, and or how this affects pivotal decisions and actions in the movie. But it was a meme movie and i have to hate it.
>>67653376
>>67659427
Thank you, I dont think it was a masterpiece but the only problems i have is with Lux's acting, not necessarily plot holes or character motive. I actually think the character motive was done well and if you think its not then i have to say you should pay attention to all "The things that didn't make sense to me"
>>67662538
i saw the movie on monday and this was so funny to me, that i had heard that superman was all wrong or that he's sad or the plot doesn't make any sense and what i saw was something entirely different,
furthermore, the fact that not a single one of these scathing reviews ever addressed the overt messages of the movie, it was always some aspect of the movie that they picked apart and said, this is bad! with no reason why
the way it looks is bad! i didn't like character! the plot! the doomsday fight!
all the while i was picking up all these ideas verbally and visually and was wondering what the fuck was going on, not even in defense of the movie but just wondering why there was such a big disconnect between what i had read and what i was actually seeing.
how had this movie become as hated as it had been, especially since it also seemed that no one had payed attention to it all? this whole situation is bizarre as fuck
>>67665632
Hey at least the Darkseid tease is handled better than Thanos teases.
>Darkseid
>Show off hellish landscape under his rule, yet avoid showing him
>Have the main villain of the film scared shitless of him, like a child, realizing there is nothing that can be done, we're all dead.
>End on the ominous warning of "He's coming, he's hungry"
>Thanos
>End credits scene, he just smiles
>Shows up without any drama, he's just there in Guardians of the Galaxy, he'll never get a grand reveal now
>Another end credits teaser of him grabbing the gauntlet.
Say what you want, at least Darkseid has this mystery around him, and if DC doesn't fuck up, they can do a much bigger reveal of him than Thanos.
>>67652775
>Superman can sense his girlfriend from a million miles away for some reason but not his mother.
Because Lois Lane puts herself in danger all the time so Superman has to look after her unlike his mother who lives alone on a quiet farm life.
>>67666218
that's actually straight up a coincidence superman has to already be close for him to be able to intervene, this after he had been missing for a week
>ARE YOU A TERRORIST?
>>67666193
>>Show off hellish landscape under his rule, yet avoid showing him
Except it wasn't his rule it was SUPERMAN's rule. A dark twister superman rule. And it didn't outright suggest that Darkseid was controlling Superman, it just had a big Omega symbol. To a nonDCfan, it means nothing
>>Have the main villain of the film scared shitless of him, like a child, realizing there is nothing that can be done, we're all dead.
>>End on the ominous warning of "He's coming, he's hungry"
DING DING DING DING DING DING DING
If they wanted to do that, they should have included this scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-MUzvASr8s
The problem was that it was Luthor telling. he was not SHOWING.
~
>>Thanos
>>End credits scene, he just smiles
It works, because the focus of the Avengers was on Loki's invasion of Earth. To shoehorn in Thanos for most of the film would take away from Loki's presence. Having Thanos smile at the end was enough to show that there was a larger world to the MCU after the invasion
>>Shows up without any drama, he's just there in Guardians of the Galaxy, he'll never get a grand reveal now
Him smiling was enough of a grand reveal
>>Another end credits teaser of him grabbing the gauntlet.
I'll grant you that one. Then again, a lot about AoU could be better.
~
There's no mystery to Darkseid. If they had included the communion scene, I'd half agree, but what DC showed as basically a lot of telling and ambiguity, without showing.
Marvel at least had it right by showing Thanos, and making him seem minor GotG. The real reveal is what he actually does, with the Infinity Gauntlet.
Will DC fuck up Thanos's big reveal? I don't know. The future is not mine to see.
>>67651308
http://ironheadstudio.com/portfolio/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/
http://ironheadstudio.com/portfolio/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/
http://ironheadstudio.com/portfolio/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/
>>67666615
>>More of our work…
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>>Dragonball: Evolution
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>>Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
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>Hear BvS is shit
>Watch it
>It's a pretty decent 6/10
>See people shit on it like it's the worst capeshit ever
>Ask people why they thought movie was bad
>"buzzwords"
Worst part is when you ask these people to go in depth, all they complain about is things they personally didn't like, not why the movie is objectively bad or good.
Did I miss why Lois got the spear? Seemed like she just randomly decided to undo her last action.
![cmulvey_mr-85-5x7-crop-1__140403170834[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/boDUBOT.jpg "cmulvey_mr-85-5x7-crop-1__140403170834[1].jpg")
nobody realising that we have entered the decade of the based mercenary man of many kills
>top operative is marvel universe
>only just killed off in CA2
>suddenly in dc universe
>playing THE KGBEAST
>>67666730
Couple of dumb things.
-Lois ditching the spear and getting it again.
-The super friends trailers in the movie.
-A scene of batman stealing in which he fails. This is immediately followed by a scene of him having succeeding. Why did we need the first scene?
-Lex's character being so wrong. Justified by a laughable throwaway line. Not to mention his nonsense motives.
I enjoyed the movie but it had some rather glaring errors.
>>67666872
>Lois ditching the spear and getting it again.
Why is this dumb? She didn't know about doomsday.
A woman find the one weapon that can kill her loved one, why would she want to keep it around him?
>The super friends trailers in the movie.
Nitpicky shit
>A scene of batman stealing in which he fails. This is immediately followed by a scene of him having succeeding. Why did we need the first scene?
I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about.
Are you talking about the scene that Bats needed to wait 7 or so minutes before the copy was made so he needed to fuck off and comeback later?
>Lex's character being so wrong. Justified by a laughable throwaway line. Not to mention his nonsense motives.
It's okay when marvel changes characters.
Real talk though it's not like his motives are any better in any iteration of his character.
To be honest every problem you mentioned so far are nitpicks, as you haven't stated the actual very apparent problems yet
>>67666730
Snyder doesn't know how to effectively tell a story that the audience feels emotionally invested in. He focuses on the wrong details and confuses the audience over their importance. He doesn't spend enough time on characterization and ends up relying too much on symbolism to portray character arcs.
Snyder has skipped the fundamentals in terms of creating a good story and instead focuses on secondary elements like symbolism and allusions. That's why this is a bad movie.
>>67666612
>it just had a big Omega symbol. To a nonDCfan, it means nothing
That's just ignorance then, you can't say the gauntlet means nothing because a nonMarvelfan doesn't know what it is.
Also, the demons were flying all over the place, and clearly were ranked above the Superman soldiers as they would just fly in and abduct them, so yeah, Darkseid is the big boss there.
>If they wanted to do that, they should have included this scene
It's confirmed for the directors cut. Does that not mean it's included? Genuine question, if you don't think director's cut content counts, then fair enough.
>Him smiling was enough of a grand reveal
Eh, I just felt it was such a waste to just have him just out there in Guardians. Because I was thinking a reveal as in you see his entire body, no shady business, no end credit teasers, he's there doing shit. And for me, being in Guardians felt like a waste.
>Will DC fuck up Thanos's big reveal? I don't know. The future is not mine to see.
DC will be doing the Thanos reveal?
Yes, of course I know that's a typo, I know what you mean. It all depends on Justice League now. What would be best is if they don't reveal him until the end of Part 1. If they make him the villain of Part 1, then they fucked up.
*tips fedora while stepping out of the shadows*
The pitiful peons at Marvel have underestimated the power of DC one time too many. The "Marvel Cinematic Universe". Huh. A shoddily shot, messily put together series of soulless and artless wastes of celluloid designed to appeal to the base intellects of moronic manchildren still dreaming of becoming powerful as they waste their lives away masturbating to images of Black Widow.
Only a fool and a weakling of mind could gain satisfaction from watching poorly animated CGI trade weightless and impactless punches while trading quips a severely mentally retarded Thai ladyboy would find beneath him/her.
DC understand cinéma. They understand kino. DC know how to build shade and light in a performance, how to engage the minds of true enlightened souls. DC have redefined not just superhero films, but the entire film industry itself.
Mentally challenged Marvel fanboys can only begin to grasp the tectonic shift in filmmaking that has been unleashed. Critics and reviewers fail to recognize a movie far ahead of its time once again, crying on their blogs about lack of snark and quipping - failing to recognize a literal masterpiece as it unfolds before them.
The public have responded. The entire filmmaking industry has been shaken to its core. DC have changed the game utterly - a new landscape is carved, a beauty is born, a God walks among men.
*teleports away*
>>67667013
This is the only problem with the movie, as it's the same problem with every Snyder movie.
>>67666730
This is always the fucking case. People never challenge the status quo, they want to be a part of it.
>The Winter Soldier is amazing!!!! Wow!
>What's so great about it?
>HAIL HYDRA LMAO!!!
>What's good about it?
>Knifefights, bro!
oh okay
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>>67651395
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>>67667026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxV99PYX37c&feature=gp-n-y&google_comment_id=z13rcbcitmbrtzbmf22tifdrksvwt1w4b04
>>67667038
I don't get why people liked it so much either.
I saw it, didn't go on /tv/ til week after I saw it, and people are sucking it's dick. I still don't get it
>>67667091
Neither. It was just another capeshit film that had no risk because all the characters will be returning next year in Avengers 23042930
>>67667001
Why are you deflecting to marvel, anon?
>>67667035
It's more than one problem. For one, he doesn't seem to have a good grasp of human emotions. For another, he doesn't know where to focus the viewer's attention. His story structure overall is weak. He includes a lot of interesting ideas but doesn't take the time to really explore any of them, because he doesn't seem to understand how to choose what should be cut so that other elements may thrive.
>>67667142
>Costumed manchildren
>emotions
>>67651938
"fighting some wanna be nazis"
/pol/ featured in BvS, biggest conspiracy!
Stop invincible son, SO YOURE TELLING ME THAT SUPERGAYBOY CAN LITERALLY TRAVEL ACROSS THE ENTIRE PLANET IN LITERALLY MICROSECONDS TO SAVE HIS 5/10 GIRLFRIEND BUT HE CANT FUCKING MOVE MORE THAN 5 METERS TO SAVE HIS FUCKING FATHER!?!?!?
>>67653539
>Get this white girl a helicopter
fucking really?
wait so you're telling me he can hear Lois' heartbeat and pinpoint exactly where she is from thousands of miles away but can't do the same to her mother who's prob a couple blocks away?
Explain
>>67659427
>I'd say the worst affront is why Batman went full retard and attempted to kill Superman over the inadvertent damage to his building from Superman's fight with Zod.
He hates Superman for similar reasons to Luthor: power. He's been fighting in the criminal world for 20 years, has been ground down by life, he even says his own vigilantism is pointless (pull up a weed and another grows in its place). The destruction in Metropolis was a cataclysm that he can't accept. This was symbolised early on by him saving that child from a cross-shaped piece of masonry. Bruce rejects a christ-like saviour because of how nihilistic he's become. But he's also got good reasons because Superman is potentially very dangerous, and even if his intentions are pure has caused a lot of damage.
I think Bruce's speech about Wayne's being hunters is also significant, plus the spear and the whale-shaped hole Superman leaves when thrown through a wall. The imagery of Captain Ahab is used to show Bruce's obsession with his quarry. The whole film uses popular literature and film imagery to illustrate its point.
I think it's a comment on the place of Batman and Superman as pop-culture icons. Batman is more popular in the real world, and in the film we see that he's the hero who fits in our world, he's gritty, damaged, and has lost his ideals (like not killing). Superman is a hero out of time, people have only cynicism for a hero with pure intentions who wants people to aspire to a moral ideal. Clark's boss importantly says "this isn't 1938 anymore". Superman is even overcome with it himself and says "There was never a Superman". I think this conflict is set up very well, and it's more about a class of morality vs cynicism than the physical fight itself.
>>67667441
His father told him not to save him! Argh
>>67667667
and being the little bitchboypussyassfaggot that he is, he listened? pretty bad Stuperhero tb h f a m
>>67651308
You're a total cunt and your opinion is shit.
>>67666872
>-Lois ditching the spear and getting it again.
that scene starts turning into a literal representation of abstract concepts condenses and simplified. the placement of all relevant information in that scene plays on narrative and symbolic meanings. it was so weird seeing things that are normally hidden played up to their absolute
>-The super friends trailers in the movie.
the whole movie is supposed to be like a comic book, this may not fix this for you but i was fine with it
>-A scene of batman stealing in which he fails. This is immediately followed by a scene of him having succeeding. Why did we need the first scene?
superman's intervention the plots demands it. i don't think the movie shies away from this at all
>-Lex's character being so wrong. Justified by a laughable throwaway line. Not to mention his nonsense motives.
he is motivated by his lack of power in relation to superman just like batman. he explains everything you need to know about him in the tower scene. i'd say there's a lot of doubles, callbacks, rhymes mirrored events and characters. the movie in a sense mirrors itself as well
>>67667441
Well, he was younger back then and probably didn't have all his powers fully developed.
What irked me though was that he could find Lois but not his own mother.
>>67667656
another good insightful post ignored
>>67667863
he can smell lois pussy from 1'000 km away
he hasn't willfully smelled his mothers
>>67667021
>>That's just ignorance then, you can't say the gauntlet means nothing because a nonMarvelfan doesn't know what it is.
I can grant you that.
But thats also why Marvel is taking its time to slowly build up to the gauntlet. I can imagine they would need to do a Dr. Strange movie, to explain the Magic gem. Even the previous movies slowly introduce the idea of the gems and what they can do. The Tesseract was one. So was the Ether. That purple one in GotG. And the mind gem in Vision's head.
The gems are slowly introduced, and, it will lead up to Thanos collecting ALL of them. Thats SHOWING. Thats building a narrative. Even an ignorant moviegoer can learn about the gems by watching all the Marvel movies that feature them.
>>Also, the demons were flying all over the place, and clearly were ranked above the Superman soldiers as they would just fly in and abduct them, so yeah, Darkseid is the big boss there.
And the average moviegoer will "what the fuck are demons doing there". They would not know about parademons. Nor care,
>>Because I was thinking a reveal as in you see his entire body
Sometimes a face is enough. But, lets agree to disagree on this one. I say face, you say body.
>>If they make him the villain of Part 1
I did mean to say Darkseid, but it does go to show how more I care about Thanos than Darkseid. The only other big bad I can imagine being interested in, atm, is Apocalypse.
I really think they might do that. Seeing how DC tends to rush things, I can foreseee them doing something like that. Hopefully, the wise up a bit from the weaknesses of the Green Lantern and BvS. But, well: time can only tell.
>>67667857
>>-Lois ditching the spear and getting it again.
>>that scene starts turning into a literal representation of abstract concepts condenses and simplified. the placement of all relevant information in that scene plays on narrative and symbolic meanings. it was so weird seeing things that are normally hidden played up to their absolute
>>the whole movie is supposed to be like a comic book, this may not fix this for you but i was fine with it
So are you saying its serious are you saying its "muh comic book"
Now granted, there ARE serious comic books. Like Kingdom Come. Watchmen. The Long Holiday. But something about BvS just rings of a tone thats all over the place
Other then that, carry on. I do agree that SNyder is a visionary and a lot can be unpackaged from BvS,Watchmen did it better
what I hated the most was Lex's plan to release an invinsible monster to kill Superman and Destroy the planet, how the fuck was he planning to stop Doomsday?
>>67668074
I don't think he really wanted to. Dude seems to be a complete fucking psycho. Total annihilation might not have been his plan but he was completely okay with the possibility of it being an outcome.
>teenagers on /tv/ shill absolute shit like BvS for billion dollar companies like WB for free
Doomsday is literally Frankenstein's monster.
>>67668018
>And the average moviegoer will "what the fuck are demons doing there". They would not know about parademons. Nor care,
Actually, I've never read the comics, but I thought the demons fit in fine with all the religious imagery in the movie. That seems to be a theme, not just using the comic characters but combining them with lots of archetypes from popular fiction and culture.
>>67651346
>In fact in this movie he seems to be on trial for something to do with some terrorists which doesn't make any fucking sense btw.
You have no right to criticise this movie when you didn't even watch it.
>>67668172
I know what you are going for. It also does tie in with the painting in Luthor's house of the demons.
It is clear Christian imagery, of Superman as a God/Christ figure, and the demons as being representative of Apokolips, and also what Superman could become.
But again, it just feels hamfisted and vague.
>>67668117
that sounds exactly like good old Lex Luthor. Fuck Snyder
>>67668072
not saying anything
snyder himself has said that he wanted it to feel like a comic book and i see what he means with how information was relayed to viewer visually and through dialogue
i'm not defending it but i do see it
i'm absolutely serious about the doomsday scene being literal abstract. lex comits to his faustian/promethean goals and does a blood ritual where he offers his own blood as well as a flesh offering that creates doomsday something that is both a physical monster that has to be beaten and the incarnation of everyone's fear and doubt in the movie. the way doomsday functions is also a literal exponentially destructive force, a perversion of the power struggle batman superman and lex were involved with. most if not every single action of doomsday is an amalgamation of monster tropes and the movie does not shy away from turning the spear into a plot device
the water scene is mirrored from the earlier bathtub scene and we see clark's affirmation of love for the world through his love for lois as he commits to a hero that slays the dragon trope while sacrificing himself for others. everything in that scene is visual literary abstraction
>>67668255
To me its a mismanagement.
On paper and on text, its sound. But visually, audiences would forget that earlier sequence when Kal and Lois were in the bathtub. With all the action going, and would the hype with Doomsday's powers, audiences would be wonder - "why are they cutting to Lois throwing the spear in the water, then getting it back?" I think thats one problem of BvS - a lot of great imagery and symbolism that works well on paper, but not on screen
>>67668225
I dunno, I thought it pretty straightforward, since the movie is all about power the scene shows very obviously how Superman power could be abused, further showing why Batman and Lex hate him.
Maybe I'm wrong but I think it partly showed why Batman is totally fine with killing. With that imagery of the world ending in his head, his own moral code probably seems less important, especially to an older, jaded, vigilante.
I'm not saying it's clever, because it's not exactly subtle, but I found it interesting and applicable to me as a non-fan.
>>67668311
i saw it as an affirmation of what superman ultimately is
out of love he springs into action
her throwing it and getting it back is deliberate
>>67667650
>tfw everyone ignores your question because they can't answer it with a meme
not sure I feel about this really
>>67668330
it was straightforward anon, don't let them get to ya
>>67668311
I think this is where the big divide in opinions comes from. I got invested in the movie and was trying hard to keep up with everything. Someone expecting a typical super hero movie will understandably get pissed off with it.
I'm not saying that being dense makes it good, but if it clicks with you, then you're more likely to keep all the stuff that's happening in mind.
>>67668390
I don't think anyone's getting to anyone, we're having a cool conversation about an unusual film.
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>>67668372
he's not thousands of miles away
before that moment superman had been gone for a week and therefore completely missed the abduction of his mother
he had gone out to be alone and regained his resolve to be superman right in the nick of time
lex had just been waiting on bruce to light his signal and challenge batman to play his hand
>>67668416
>Someone expecting a typical super hero movie will understandably get pissed off with it.
i went in on monday with all the memes and shitposting fresh in my head and was both surprised and not surprised at how the movie actually was, even now i don't think of it as a hero movie at all but a surreal fantasy
>>67651308
tl;dr OP literally cannot stop inserting Stan Lee's 90 year old balls in his mouth
>>67668457
Yeah, worded that wrongly. More like, people who WANT a typical superhero story will get pissed off with it.
>>67668427
oh so he magically regained his composure and came back to town right when he kidnapped lois
makes sense
even if that were true, from the previous movies he sensed people when in metropolis when he was in the indian ocean so you're wrong faggot
What's the retcon of the last movie? Did they just destroy that one building Wayne is looking at when hes holding the girl instead of 90% of the city, or just tone it down in general?
>>67651482
i think the people who liked superman were just as clueless about superman being a douche in the movie as hardcore DC fanboys
>>67668709
>even if that were true, from the previous movies he sensed people when in metropolis when he was in the indian ocean
can anyone confirm
>>67668790
How was Superman a douche?
>>67668754
people hold superman responsible for destroying the city (in that world and this board) when it was actually zod, his generals and the world engine that did the most damage. and saying man of murder is fun
>>67668981
I've not seen either movie, did they say otherwise at the end of MoS?
>at this point I'm already yawning in the cinema.
And I'm yawning at your shitty bait.
Fuck off loser.
>>67668998
no. people say its a retcon because everyone loved to hate the final battle because they were triggered by the seers logo and can't get over the fact that a young inexperienced superman can't defeat zod, the world engine and his generals with ease and no casualties.
>>67669079
a complaint that no one puts against the holy cartoons
>>67652257
cyborg.
>>67652452
misunderstanding a plot does not make said plot bad. being confusing and complicated isnt a flaw with the movie, its a flaw you have when viewing it.
>>67654091
because it's not an official poster, and is comprised of multiple separate images? the fact that you had to ask is completely indicative that youre a fucking retard.
>>67656103
because you're a fucking dumbass that couldn't easily and immediately deduce that it is multiple separate images composed together.
>>67666193
sorry but no my friend.
if i show you darkseid in a movie right away you won't know wich arc will come.
if i show you thanos EVERYFUCKINGBODY WHO GIVES A FUCK knows that Infinity gauntlet is next.
there is no reason to play misteriuos about Thanos because just showing him will make everybody hype about the gems
Darkseid? dunno, does he have any participation in any remarcable story like the infinity wars?
>>67666730
>6/10
>decent
that means bad if you waste millions of dollarinos and you need more than a billion to recover.
>>67667026
sounds like a suckerpunch review!
>>67666193
you just described why the Thanos teaser is better senpai
>>67651562
>WROOOOOOOOOOOONG!
Greetings, Reddit.
