Why can't cinema handle deep, complex storylines and issues like this?
Is it because the audience can't handle something so challenging or is it an inherent limitation of the medium?
U-unatco?
le robot man has to track down le evil guerilla terroristm group that took over liberty city island but WHOA! the terrorists are actually the good guys being targeted by the I-L-L-U-M-I-N-A-T-I!!!! your brother JD Denton is working for the terrorists apparently but holy shit !! he's not your brother you aren't even a human you are a clone!! shiitt!!!
>>67608196
you can do that with literally any narrative, buddy.
>>67608237
sure you can
>>67607867
It has
>int'l teriyaki
>>67607867
>movies will never top this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG1qKzIsisU
>>67607867
I love Deus Ex but it's not some grand masterpiece of storytelling. It just has a really interesting world and fully rounded characters, and dabbles in real world themes that give it weight.
I mean the game ends with by turning the (thus far compelling) antagonist into a dastardly Saturday morning cartoon villain boss fight. It has the same problem as Bioshock, it can't avoid the standard trappings of the medium.
>>67607867
It's becuase the avg person is stupid and can't handle it.
>>67608422
Fifth Element's bomb scene comes close humor wise.
>mfw going through that underground base with everyone trying to convince me to side with them
I'm not good with tough decisions
The Good Shepard is the best spy movie ever if you disagree you are wrong
Too bad they let a woman write the story for Deus Ex HR. It's pretty bad.
>>67607867
DEUS EX DID 9/11 DEUS EX DID 9/11 DEUS EX DID 9/11 DEUS EX DID 9/11 DEUS EX DID 9/11 DEUS EX DID 9/11 DEUS EX DID 9/11 DEUS EX DID 9/11 DEUS EX DID 9/11 DEUS EX DID 9/11 DEUS EX DID 9/11 DEUS EX DID 9/11
>>67608917
it was way better than the first one
>>67607867
Deus Ex isn't even that deep, unless we're talking about some very specific and optional moments that don't represent the whole.
>/tv/ tries discussing vidya
>>67608446
Then again, the same can be said about most movies. How many times has a compelling, three dimensional villain been sacrificed to an inane showdown just so we can get the lazy, happy ending we've been trained to expect? At least as many times as in video games.
>>67608446
>boss fight
Are you talking about the original Deus Ex?
>>67608917
>>67608991
>muh memes
/v/ ruined everything
>>67608991
Just because you have multiple ways of stopping him doesn't mean he isn't the final boss.
within the week, there will be old men, running the world.
>>67608965
you couldn't be more wrong
Movies are always copying games.
Like, PS:T comes out, about a man that loses his memory and tattoos his body to remember.
A few months/a year later, memento comes out.
>>67609082
not enough memes for you i guess
>>67609144
Is this true?
Remake when? I want to play it but can't get past how dated everything is.
>>67609607
>>67609144
Nolan would be the ideal director for a Deus Ex film because of all the pseudo-intellectual and entry-level philosophical arguments expressed through expository dialogue.
Also, he can somewhat direct action and is great at world-building.
DAE videogames IRL???? lmao
>implying this is a common thing in vidya
There's only a few titles GOAT storytelling-wise.
>>67609856
>a few
lmao let me guess, planescape torment, fallout 2 and vampire bloodlines
Because Americans just want The Fast and Furious Transformer Wars VII instead of a story with complex plot and real characters. That's too hard to follow while shovelling popcorn down your throat and trying to avoid being shot in the theatre.
>>67608087
No. Savage.
Who would you cast as JC?
I say Keanu Reeves
>>67610008
holy shit is this post serious?
fucking videogame children
>>67608917
It's actually well done and I'm surprised the company of autists responsible for Final Fantasy post-2009 are the ones who pushed it out there.
>>67610105
your board is arguing over capeshit 24/7. don't act superior
Does any movie do characters as real and believable as Witcher 3?
>>67609652
There's a fanmade HD retexture. I don't know if they fucked with the blocky models. It's still a great game if you can get it to run on modern hardware,
>because money - cost and profit
I'm glad they never have made a file on DX1 because it would be shit on - as a matter of fact, can anyone name a good game-to-movie film?
>>67610180
>implying it isn't you /v/ and /co/ tourists
>>67609040
Are you talking about Bob Page or Walton Simons? Because you don't fight Bob Page.
>>67610254
*film
>>67609040
What are you talking about? The only person in the whole of Deus Ex you are forced to kill is Anna Navarre, and even that can be avoided by just injuring her badly.
>>67609768
>all philosophy in fiction is pseudo-intellectual and entry-level
Those are totally meaningless descriptors btw.
>>67609768
Oh fuck off, pseudo intellectual. It doesn't pretend to anything and is basically an action movie plot.
>mentioning Adam Weishaupts birthday now qualifies a thing as pretentious
Christ.
>>67610445
yep.
So why has no-one made a Deus Ex movie as OP rightly asked?
>>67610512
sorry wrong reply
>>67609856
Deus ex isn't even one of the more complex video game plots.
Are you retarded? Deus Ex is a mashup of a ton of sci fi movies. Hell, Denton's suit is a total copy of Blade's
>>67610131
It isn't. That's the publisher.
>>67610254
Prince of Persia is surprisingly good
Silent Hill and first Tomb Raider movies are solid 7.5
>>67607867
THE INTERNATIONAL
JFK
THE GOOD SHEPARD
>STRAIGHT OUTTA ILLUMINATTI
YOU'RE A BIG GUYCONTAIN IT?
There is a video game where CIA goes crazy from time powers and thinks he is bane
I shit you not
>>67611006
bane?
>>67610833
>blaming the shit that's always been here on other boards because you can't face that /tv/ a shit board
OP here, not been on /v/ for many years.
>>67609890
>Fallout 2
Fallout 1 had the good story
Fallout 2 is pure meme shit
>>67611190
Agreed.
I love MCA, I think he's a very talented writer, but Fallout 2 was clearly a show of his inspiration and how he was still a bit immature as a writer and had some blindspots. Over-referencing is obnoxious.
Big guys and their... flexibility.
>>67608196
Is that the plot summary of the stallone Dredd movie?
>>67608917
Soul Reaver series is mind-blowingly well written and by a woman.
>>67609082
Narrative in HR: worse
Story in HR: better
The story in the DX and DXIW was basically le ebin predictable terror plan.
>>67608446
>I mean the game ends with by turning the (thus far compelling) antagonist into a dastardly Saturday morning cartoon villain boss fight.
You apparently haven't played Deus Ex.
>>67611180
>DUDE /tv/ IS A SHIT BOARD LMAO
When will crossboarders learn?
>>67611674
/v/ is also a shit board, so no reason to have your feelings hurt.
>>67611575
>narrative is worse
So you prefer having the supporting cast explain everything instead of organically learning things like in HR?
You didn't like the back-and-forth first-person interrogative scenes?
>>67607867
Maybe you should watch more films you /v/edditor pleb fuck.
Also,
>he doesn't get that Deus Ex is satire about conspiracy theories
>>67612514
It isn't you moron. Link me one case of Warren or any other dev saying that.
>>67612514
>he doesn't get that Deus Ex is satire about conspiracy theories
How is that a problem?
DUDE SEX LMAO
>>67612614
Oh, so the bad dialogue is just bad and not meant as satire?
>>67612652
It's not. But it doesn't come close to being as good as something like Dr. Strangelove.
>>67612753
In a purely social commentary sense it's up there with strangelove, but it'll be even more relevant over time.
You think video games have stronger writing than movies because your left brain is occupied by pointless busywork while your right brain just simmers in narrative.
>>67612939
Thanks for the laugh you /v/ child.
>>67607867
>implying video games have deep, complex storylines
>>67613097
Name a time travel plot that is as complex as soul reaver without fucking up totally in plot holes.
Deus Ex predicted the Meme Wars.
>>67613327
It also accidently predicted 9/11
>>67613177
To be fair, the main reason legacy of kain gets away with it's time travel plot is because its unfinished and never will be finished.
>>67613327
Metal gear is the true meme prophet.
>>67613402
>accidentally
In 30 years it "accidentally" predicted the political debate on cybernetics, I bet.
>>67613418
No.
>>67613567
>>67613327
Fucking hell you uncultured children.
>implying MGS and Deus Ex didn't just draw from authors like Philip K. Dick and Frederik Pohl plus famous conspiracy theories
>implying they're original in any way
>>67614120
MGS draws more on James Joyce than Philip K Dick.
>>67614120
>implying anything is original
>>67609890
No one has ever said Fallout 2 has a good story, in fact, its well known it has the weaker story, just 10x the gameplay of FO1.
No one thinks the story of Vampire is amazing, just the lore+characters.
PS:T is amazing.
>tfw newer great works never get credit
>>67608928
Well the WTC parkade bombing had already happened so it was known to be a potential target.
>>67614164
How so?
MGS tackles post-modernism but a very in a very shallow way.
>>67614188
>MGS and Deus Ex predicted X
>no they didn't
>b-but nothing is really original
Hilarious.
>>67614548
how is it shallow?
I always saw postmodernism as an either/or. It seemed pretty all-in. At least in MGS2
>>67607867
STICK with the PROD
PROD with the PROD
>>67614650
A non-lethal takedown is always the most silent takedown.
>>67614548
>implying MGS and Deus Ex didn't just draw from authors like Philip K. Dick and Frederik Pohl
And they draw on past writings and so on, just because X 'draws on' Y, doesn't mean X isn't original.
>>67614650
>>67614548
Are you somehow implying that philip predicted 9/11?
Also when did he talk about memes? I admit, I haven't read all philip has written, but I've never seen him talk about evolution of ideas as a virus or anything like that.
>>67614602
Because it dealt with the skepticism but not with the deconstruction associated with it.
>>67614721
But when X draws on Y it should bring new ideas to be considered original. MGS and Deus Ex did nothing of the such.
>>67614784
>Are you somehow implying that philip predicted 9/11?
see >>67614466
>The sky will burn at forty-five degrees latitude, Fire approaches the great new city Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up When they want to have verification from the Normans.
Did Nostradamus predict 9/11 too?
>Also when did he talk about memes?
Not Philip, but Dawkins talked about that way before MGS when he published The Selfish Gene.
>>67607867
If you tried to cram pretty much every conspiracy theory in existence into a single movie you'd get a fuckin mess...
>>67615124
>see >>67614466
How does the fact that the prediction isn't baseless deligitimize it? What the fuck is the argument there?
>Not Philip, but Dawkins talked about that way before MGS when he published The Selfish Gene.
He codified memes and their function, he didn't actually talk about them in the sense mgs did as a future self-preserving ideology and phenomena. Also I think the meme talk was mostly memeposting in itself.
>>67607867
>>67615188
Also: The most interesting aspect of the game is the great freedom of choice you're offered and the fact that pretty much all of your actions have some sort of consequence – which was a pretty novel idea when the game came out (enter the ladies' bathroom and your boss will confront you with it – just to name one popular example).
Movie's aren't about the viewer's choices though.
>>67608928
Jesus Christ, Denton...
>>67609006
suuuure...
>>67615242
>How does the fact that the prediction isn't baseless deligitimize it? What the fuck is the argument there?
It's not a prediction, it's mere coincidence and I'm pretty sure the devs stated just that.
>He codified memes and their function, he didn't actually talk about them in the sense mgs did as a future self-preserving ideology and phenomena. Also I think the meme talk was mostly memeposting in itself.
Maybe you should read his book before commenting on it. He used the term meme to describe a means of cultural transmission analogous to the gene. There's also his essay 'Viruses of the Mind' that describes the propagations of religious beliefs and behaviours as a memetic virus.
>Ghost in the shell
>0 results found
No one has mentioned the movie that inspired Deus Ex in the first place?
What is all this bullshit about it having "every conspiracy theory in the world". It literally has the Illuminati and that's it, the Knight's Templar if you want to be really exacting.
>>67607867
This is bait but it still made me angry
>>67615958
u fucking wot m8?
They're not particularly similar except for title and cybernetic enhancement.
>>67607867
I tried playing this, was literally too old of a game to play. Made it through the tutorial and got to the first mission before I dropped it, clunky ass controls and poor graphics, I've played some old games but it was too much
Greatest game ever made, but not an incredible story and the dialogue is pretty weak. That reveal that the UNATCO base is inside the MJ12 bunker though.. great stuff.
Deus Ex had a level of choice consequence, combat approach variety, upgrade system, and damage system that is to this day unmatched which is more a condemnation of the failure to build on what made this game amazing than an appraisal.
