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WHO PAID YOU TO KILL ELIA MARTELL?
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WHO PAID YOU TO KILL ELIA MARTELL?
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>>67595528
I'm Tywin's bannerman, i go to battle when my liege goes to war.
It's standard procedure to remove the old king and any relatives in a revolution, you dumb fuck.
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>>67595528
He's a big guy
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Clegane?
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>>67595958
HE RAPED HER
HE MURDERED HER
HE KILLED HER CHILDREN
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>>67595528
6 vs 5.10
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>>67595936
Pretty sure you don't have to rape them.

But yeah you don't need any pretenders. You could have banished them though. I mean how many Targs and Blackfires were around in Essos and Westeros?They make a big deal about Danny, but there must have been a lot more right? Did they all get raped, killed and raped?
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>>67596032
More like 7' v 5'9
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>>67596053
She and Aegon are literally the last ones.
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JOO KEELED HER NINOOOOSSSS!!!!!
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>>67596143
Amd Aegon may even be false.

And by may, i mean he is false.
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>waits decades for revenge
>dies
lel cuck
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>>67595528
She didn't get to bring kids.
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>>67595528

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI07pG-er64

Thanks, /tv/
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>>67596018
Chaos is a ladder
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>>67596242
wew never seen that one before
beautiful
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>>67596198
>Implying he's not descended from Aegor Rivers
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>>67596143
Aint no Blackfires around?
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>>67596263
CRASHING THIS WALL
WITH NO SURVIVORS
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>>67596274
Aegon probably is a Blackfyre.
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>>67596198
Yeah he's probably not the son of Rhaegar but he pretty obviously has dragon blood from his Blackfyre lineage.
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>>67596158
Jo means me
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>>67596143
>>67596198

Martin said:

>Aerion Brightfire did not stay in Lys all his life, only a few years. He may have fathered a few bastards there, which would mean Dany has "relatives" of a sort in Lys... but they would be very distant relatives, from the wrong side of the blanket.

Hell, Ageon could even be related to Aerion instead of being a Blackfyre.
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>>67596242
brilliant
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JU53dfWE8w
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>>67596263
That's gonna happen in the show isn't it
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>>67596498
Yes, and then Ramsay Bolton fly a dragon and kill all the white walkers with his 20 good memes
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>>67596267
That's just the trailer though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGHJrSNo0H0
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>>67596538
Don't forget when after they're beaten they'll be executed by Berninie who will have been in Dorne the previous episode
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>>67596008
Aye.
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>>67596283
IF I CRASH THIS WALL, IS WESTEROS GOING TO DIE?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrDisXp4TaI
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>>67596397

Yeah. The Velaryons are obviously Valyrian and have intermarried frequently with the Targs, and the Martell's have a speck of dragon blood from the first Daenerys. I'm just bringing this up since dragon riding seems to be linked to Valyrian blood, and there needs to be three dragon riders.
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>>67596624
You're a Littlefinger
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>>67596686
For you...
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>>67596338
He's probably a blackfyre, and is probably related to varys and is illyrio's son, but volantis is filled with people with valyrian features. The reason Jorah obsesses over dany is because she looks like his Volanten ex wife. He could easily just be some kid they picked up from volantis.
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>>67595528
Ur mum
Rekt
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why is this show so good
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>>67596987
It's not.


>>>/r/eddit
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>>67596263
CHAOSHHH???
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>>67597003
but reddit hates it since they are SJWs
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They were trying to recruit the prize, the 20 good men.
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>>67597028
CLEGANEE?
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>>67596987

Nice production values.


Most people who hate it are book readers who think GRRM is some literary genius.
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>>67596263
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>>67597288
>mfw when ciscero
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Thread theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omx_JLLBm4o

Also, rescuing the thread from falling down the ladder.
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Is Oberyn edgy? He literally just wanted to kill Lannisters.
https://youtu.be/Mj6OgXEwlSw
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>>67600937
They killed his sister and her children, so no, he wasn't edgy. He even helped Tyrion you ungrateful fuck.
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>>67596498
I can't wait to see the Wall fall.
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>>67596018
Just 4U
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I don't care for the show but got swept up in the social phenomenon that is and entertained it and this is one of the few things I remember. The sound of teeth hitting the ground. It was great.

It willfully showed how strong fucknuts is and made all of oberyns posturing and showboating look pathetic.
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>>67600972
>helped Tyrion
>helped

He volenteered just because he wanted to fight Gregor because hes edgy

And lost (and got Tyrion sentanced to death) becase he wasted time trying to make someone confess, which is also edgy
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>>67602949
you don't know what edgy originally means
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So would it be possible to crush someones cheekbones in like that?
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>>67603041
no
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So let me get this straight;

Gregor Clegane admits and confesses to everyone that He killed and raped the former queen in front of a hundred people?

Jaime and Bronn should have been sent to Dorne on that premise; To bring Gregor Clegane's head to Doran as a peace offering, not only would this make Cleganebowl more surprising (He never had a head all along) this would have prevented the stupid Sneks
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>>67603041
If you're a 8 feet tall big guy in heavy armor, leaning in with all your weight? Maybe. The guy they got for the show obviously couldn't do it though.
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>>67597117
yes and dany is a mary sue
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>>67603025
To reply to me or any of my wifes sons ever again
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>>67603068
In the books a kingsguard was dispatched to deliver the skull and see how myrcella and her guard were doing.
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>>67603148
fear not my friend for it is beyond
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>>67602949
>He volenteered just because he wanted to fight Gregor because hes edgy
>because hes edgy

Do you even watch Game of Thrones?

During the Sack of King's Landing Gregor bashed baby Aegon's head against a wall and raped Ellia with her child's blood and brains still on his hands. Oberyn wanted to kill Gregor because he wanted justice for Ellia, not because he woke up one day and thought, "Hey I'm edgy let's go kill the mountain XDDD" And since Tyrion was conveniently facing a trial by combat against him, Oberyn saw a chance for revenge.
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>>67595936
Actually its usually better just to kill the old king and keep the relatives as hostages so that the loyalists behave.
Marrying them isn't a bad idea either, because then your heirs are their heirs.
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>>67603679
Yet even tells Tyrion he wants to kill every Lannister, including Tyrion himself, who was a child during the sack of kings landing.

Thats edgy and no better than Tywin or Gregor. Killing Elia was the only mistake. Tyrion says something like when a Targ is born the gods flip a coin if theyll be insane or not.
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>>67595528

What was /tv/'s livethread reaction when Oberyn said 'for you'? Got a screencap or link?
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>>67604200
What Loyalists? The Reach?

That would be a legit reason if it wasnt only a handful of allies that could be crushed easily.

Its better to kill the children to solidify the claim to the throne, that was built upon Roberts grandmothers Targaryan line.
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>>67604536
>wanting to kill a family who raped and killed your sister
>edgy
I'd hate all Lannisters too, regardless.
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>>67604808
>Killing the insane Kids of an insane murderer
>wrong
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>>67604873
To whom are you referring?
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>>67605022
Rhaegar and all Targaryans
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>>67605050
Oh. Yeah I mean they're all probably guilty of killing and shit. I'm just viewing it from Oberyn's perspective. I can see why he hated all Lannnisters. They weren't all responsible but it's easy to hate them all and have like a tribal mentality about it.
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>>67605137
Now view it from Gregors perspective. He was sent by Tywin to kill Elia and the children as they were Targaryans and likely insane in the views of the "Rebels"

Also Aegon and Rhaella lessened Roberts claim.

No matter who won, the Martells would be pissed, as Elia was held hostage at Dornes cooperation. Oberyn wanting to kill anyone other than Gregor, Amory Lorch, Tywin and Robert makes him edgy.
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>>67605050
Yeah I'm sure Rhaenys and Aegon were guilty as fuck you dumb fucking Baratheon cunt.
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>>67605289
Please stop using "edgy", you are embarassing us.
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>>67605289
Well I don't think Gregor had the mental fortitude to give a shit about all that, I think he just likes killing shit and he was ordered to kill Elia and all babies so he just followed orders. But yeah, I understand all the aspects here, I'm not trying to defend Oberyn, merely understand his mentality.

I mean, I guess you can call him edgy if you want, I don't really care. I was just weighing in and could see why he hated all Lannisters. Tribal mentality and what have you. Stuff like that has been the source for conflicts throughout history. Hatfield's and McCoys are a good example of one family hating another, killing each other simply because of the family they belonged to, not something they personally did to them. Shit, they killed completely innocent boys because of the name they had.

If my sister was raped and killed I'd probably hate the whole family of the guilty party too.
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>>67595528
fuck me i hadn't read the book when i saw the episode
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>>67595528
It was actually "who gave the order". He wanted the mountain to admit it was tywin. What this would accomplish, I have no idea.

Was he going to challenge tywin to a duel? Was he going to hold a vote of no confidence and place sheev as the hand to the king? I assumed he already poisoned him but I vaguely remember GRRM or one of his wiki writers confirming tywin wasn't poisoned and his rotting body was just his rotting body
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>>67605643
>What this would accomplish, I have no idea.

you must be retarded then
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>>67598320
[The British Grenadiers intensifies]
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>>67605289
Amory Lorch is the only one that is edgy. Thank The Seven that fuck is dead.
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>>67605578
>Well I don't think Gregor had the mental fortitude to give a shit about all that

I love it how people excuse Gregor Clegane because he is supposedly too stupid to understand or in pain or whatever. Yet in the books we have descriptions like this:

After the Hand’s tourney, it were, before the war come,” Chiswyck was saying. “We were on our ways back west, seven of us with Ser Gregor. Raff was with me, and young Joss Stilwood, he’d squired for Ser in the lists. Well, we come on this pisswater river, running high on account there’d been rains. No way to ford, but there’s an alehouse near, so there we repair. Ser rousts the brewer and tel s him to keep our horns ful til the waters fall, and you should see the man’s pig eyes shine at the sight o’ silver."

"So he’s fetching us ale, him and his daughter, and poor thin stuff it is, no more’n brown piss, which don’t make me any happier, nor Ser neither. And al the time this brewer’s saying how glad he is to have us, custom being slow on account o’ them rains. The fool won’t shut his yap, not him, though Ser is saying not a word, just brooding on the Knight o’ Pansies and that bugger’s trick he played. You can see how tight his mouth sits, so me and the other lads we know better’n to say a squeak to him,"

"but this brewer he’s got to talk, he even asks how m’lord fared in the jousting. Ser just gave him this look.” Chiswyck cackled, quaffed his ale, and wiped the foam away with the back of his hand. “Meanwhile, this daughter of his has been fetching and pouring, a fat little thing, eighteen or so. Thirteen, more like,” Raff the Sweetling drawled. “Well , be that as it may, she’s not much to look at, but Eggon’s been drinking and gets to touching her, and might be I did a little touching meself."

cont>
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>>67605695
Explain it to me then. What does Oby get out of it? He's not going to go to war against the 4.5 of the 7 kingdoms. Everyone already knows Tywin is a ruthless person considering there was a song about it. It's not like Daenerys knew of Dorne yet nor had aegon landed yet.

What is the benefit of the Mountain confirming what everyone knew?
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>>67605872
...cont:
"and Raff’s telling young Stilwood that he ought to drag the girl upstairs and make hisself a man, giving the lad courage as it were. Finally Joss reaches up under her skirt, and she shrieks and drops her flagon and goes running off to the kitchen. Well, it would have ended right there, only what does the old fool do but he goes to Ser and asks him to make us leave the girl alone, him being an anointed knight and al such. Ser Gregor, he wasn’t paying no mind to none of our fun, but now he looks, you know how he does, and he commands that the girl be brought before him."

"Now the old man has to drag her out of the kitchen, and no one to blame but hisself. Ser looks her over and says, ‘So this is the whore you’re so concerned for’ and this besotted old fool says, ‘My Layna’s no whore, ser’ right to Gregor’s face. Ser, he never blinks, just says, ‘She is now’ tosses the old man another silver, rips the dress off the wench, and takes her right there on the table in front of her da, her flopping and wiggling like a rabbit and making these noises. "

"The look on the old man’s face, I laughed so hard ale was coming out me nose. Then this boy hears the noise, the son I figure, and comes rushing up from the cel ar, so Raff has to stick a dirk in his bel y. By then Ser’s done, so he goes back to his drinking and we al have a turn. Tobbot, you know how he is, he flops her over and goes in the back way. The girl was done fighting by the time I had her, maybe she’d decided she liked it after al , though to tel the truth I wouldn’t have minded a little wiggling."

"And now here’s the best bit... when it’s all done, Ser tells the old man that he wants his change. The girl wasn’t worth a silver, he says... and damned if that old man didn’t fetch a fistful of coppers, beg mlord’s pardon, and thank him for the custom"
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If i drive this spear trough your chest plate would you die?
It would be extremely painful...
You're a big knight.
...for you.

Congratulations you got yourself beat, now what's the next part in your master plan?
Crushing this brain, with no survivors!
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>>67595958
Underrated toast
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>>67595528
The ship manifest I've just sent with a raven to kings landing lists me, the White Cloacks, Maester Pycelle here, but only one of you! First one to talk gets to stay on my ship!
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>>67605872
>>67605907
I don't think he's too stupid to understand pain and suffering. I just think he likes it and doesn't pay two minds in killing Elia and the babies when ordered to. I also think he doesn't give a shit about all that politics and shit so he never thought twice about the orders.
>"Kill these people"
>"okay"
Without a second thought as to why. He just doesn't give a fuck. So maybe I was being a little disingenuous when I say he didn't have the mental fortitude or whatever. I meant he just didn't care enough to bother himself with all that politics and shit.
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>>67606146

But Tywin never told him to kill them. He admits it to Tyrion, who he has no reason to lie to at that point. He tells Tyrion he simply forgot to tell the Mountain to NOT kill them.
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Who's ready for a season about the best house?
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>>67606428
Oh really? I forgot that detail. Well still, everyone thinks he did so I see Oberyn blaming the Lannisters.

Not sure why Tywin would want a bunch of Targs around though. Power bargaining chips with Prince Doran I guess.
Also "hey I did murder your daughter and grandsons" might be a good way to keep the peace. Until one decides to rise up and make a claim to the throne, that is.
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>>67606713

Well, he might want some hostages. Jaime was still in the Red Keep with shit going down. No guarantee he would break his vows and kill Aerys. Also, he might have planned to kill them later in a less ... incompetent way. And Elia of Dorne was not a Targ heir, and she was both the Princess of Dorne and also a hostage.
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>>67606891
Yeah I see. Elia and co. as hostages to ensure Dorne will keep loyal to the crown, whoever they decided to seat there when it was all done and to try and broker a surrender from the Mad King.

Had news of Rhaegar reached the King's Landing? I suppose so, since Bobby B had time to march south. Shit, what other heirs did the Mad King have? I guess just Viserys and Dany and they were snuck off of Dragonstone.

When you rise up in rebellion you really do need to ensure you exterminate entire bloodlines. Lesson learned. Bobby B was right in trying to assassinate Dany across the Narrow Sea.
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>>67604600
Try Reddit
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>>67606698
I wonder how they are going to ruin them
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When's my next scene?
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>>67608014
I don't think cameras are allowed in heaven
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>>67596032
>>67596082
It's actually 6'7 vs 5'11
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>>67608304

He's not dead kek
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>>67608583
I just assumed he was considering his diagnosis was 10 months like 3 years ago. Interesting that he's still alive. Good for him and his family.
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>>67608755

Too bad he's not coming back. Feel like the show made plans without him before he was fine. I imagine Bronn will be accompanying Jaime to the Riverlands this season.
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>>67608818
Sir Ilyn Payne was one of those favorite minor characters of mine. He wasn't honestly all that important but when he was on page I liked him. His trek with Jaime and their little swordfighting bouts was enjoyable too. Kinda miss him in the show.
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>>67596424

To be be sher, Ol' boy. By the lard our saveyer good post Seamus.
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>>67596498
No, Mance Rayder is going to crash the wall.
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>>67609027
he had one in the books
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Anyone else watching through the series preparing for season 6? Season 1 is so god damn comfy. Also Shae is even more shitty than i remembered.
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>>67596263
>show will never actually be this good.
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>>67609560
>>>/lit/
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Why do they call Jorah "The Andal" when he comes from the north?
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>>67609898
Dothraki think all white people look alike.
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>>67609946
Racists.
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>>67609898
Because he's a knight I think, knighthood isn't very popular with tree fuckers
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>>67595958
No he isnt.
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>>67611056
What the fuck are those guys 7 feet tall
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>>67600616
LOL WTF Thank you for posting this anon.
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>>67600937
This one is my favorite so far.
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>>67609898

Low key racism
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>>67603068
>this would have prevented the stupid Sneks

The Stupid Sneks were going to happen not matter what because D&D are such shallow simpletons, they wouldn't have been able to conceive of anything else..
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did someone say boobs
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>>67612221
i must have watched that gif 20 times and i still can't figure out what the fuck they were trying to do
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>>67595528
YOU PUNCHED HIM
WERE A BIG GUY FOR HIM
CRASHED HIS AIRCRAFT
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>>67605289
>Now view it from Gregors perspective. He was sent by Tywin to kill Elia and the children

He was only supposed to kill the kids, as they were Targaryens but Elia was not.

Tywin even mentions that killing her was unnecessary (as was brutalizing the kids) but as Gregor is a spastic roidmonster, that's just how things worked out.
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>>67612437
>i must have watched that gif 20 times and i still can't figure out what the fuck they were trying to do

That's ok, nobody in the production of the tv show did either...
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HELLO AND GODS BLESS

I AM XARO XHOAN DAXOS, RICHEST MAN IN QARTH.
I HAVE A VAULT FULL OF RICHES, BUT NEED THREE OF YOUR DRAGONS TO BECOME KING. IF YOU SEND THEM TO ME, YOU WILL BE RICH BEYOND YOUR WILLDEST DREMS.

GOD BLESS YOU
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Will the 20 good men kill Litlefinger?
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>>67613197
He will throw them in a dark pit without ladders
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>>67595528
What was Varys' part in all this?
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>>67612221
>>67612693
>>67612437
It didn't need to make sense. It just needed to be fierce women fighters. It was simply written to fill a quota.
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>>67609442
Mance is dead in the show nigga.
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>>67613899
None, he have been loosing the game since Stannis lost in Blackwater
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I just realized that Arianne and Aegon are presumably cousins and getting married.
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>>67609731
newfag
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>>67613899
Post dickbelts
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>>67611056
fucking manlet
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>>67596838
>his Volanten ex wife

Lynesse Hightower isn't fucking Volantene, dummy. She's a reachman.
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