Just saw it in 75mm IMAX™
Personally i think critics have gone fuckin insane. If you are not a redditor who watch movies based on reddit tomatoes score and have a fucking brain you would know critics are absolutely biased as fuck.
Good/Great parts of the movie
>Opening scene with the beautiful music
Its another opening credits masterpiece by Snyder. Also dont fall for the kid Wayne rising up with the bats like jesus, in context it happens in a dream and it was one of most comicbook Batman as fuck moments
>cinematography and colors
>Batcave/ Alfred
It was top tier
>Ben Affleck
To me the best Batman ever
>Wonder Woman/ Gal Gadot
She not being horrible is a plus so i would add it to the good list
>Batman v Superman TDKR fight
Best part of the movie, the ending of the fight was emotional and not some kinda ex machina stopping the fight out of nowhere
>Superman scenes
These were generally good but not great
>Final fight
Better than any other capeshit but still had some problems like too much explosions
Bad parts
>editing
Basically what sunk the movie
>soundtrack
It was just fucking too loud at some places but still Batman theme and the WW theme were really good at certain scenes
>Lois Lane/Amy Adams
Just old and looked misfit for the role.
>Lex Luthor
I used to be neutral about this casting. I dont hate it but he couldve been better. I understand why he was goofy, from directors pov if he was serious too amidst already serious trinity then the movie wouldve turned worse.
>Doomsday
All they had to do was copy the Doomsday from the comic books. Also the worst part was the unnecessary electrical explosions
>killing Superman twice
There are million other ways they couldve ended the movie
Overrall review would be the first half was dragging and too many unnecessary scenes and the obvious editing/pacing issues but the capekino it redeems itself in climax. Man of Steel is still better than this movie.
7.5/10
worst part was jesse eisenberg's goofy lex luthor.
I agree with this post.
But I certainly think Ben af fleck is not the best batman and Jesse esienberg was a little goofy and dingy.
Some scenes had way too much music.
I want based Christian bale back.
>>67418003
>goofy Lex
Like I said if he was serious then movie would've been even worse. But he could've not been an awkward edgy faggot with weak motives.
>>67418091
>Christian bale batman
Fuck off pleb
>>67418003
That's one of the only okay parts you retard
>>67417949
>killing Superman twice
haha whaat
>>67418243
>if he was serious then movie would've been even worse.
Nah, Cast a confident charismatic Lex and you have no problems. Spacey could have rocked it
>>67417949
Nice work Rajeev, 10 Cents have been deposited into your shill account
>>67418547
How's that marvel bribe doing ya?
>>67417949
>Batman v Superman TDKR fight
It was a fucking CGI shit show.
Extremely floaty and short
>Final fight
Doomsday was just an excuse to get Superman killed.
Other than that I agree.
>>67418355
Apparently they nuke Doomsday and Super is like ded with his skull showing
But then he recovers and get killed "again" by Doomsday
Just what I presume based on what I heard.
>it's a Wonder Woman scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw_o7XUX3fg
>Superman was shit.
>Clusterfuck of a movie with too much stuff alluding to Justice League and plotlines like Doomsday
>First half was boring, had some nonsensical terrorist plot
>too many dream sequences
>Louis was practically useless
>Batman was good
>Fight scenes were pretty good
>>67418836
>Batman and Alfred was good*
Please, more of them.
>>67418680
If you haven't read The Dark Knight Returns or seen the cartoon based on it, that's what Supes looks like after he takes a nuke to the face.
quick poll
http://strawpoll.me/7178046
Everybody is making fun of bvs even the normies
I don't care about the reviews I'll 100% like it but what if they sweep
man of steel and bvs under the rug like green lantern
For the first time I'm worried if a movie gets sequel or not
>>67418919
Went into the theater expecting it to be full. Wasn't even half full, am having serious doubts on whether the film will be a financial success now.
>>67417949
the movie was good but the ending of the fight was the worst.
>your mom's name is the same as mine. ok let's be friends,
al batman's motivations to kill superman disapeared.
Link?
just saw it in a packed theatre and it got a standing ovation at the end your all cucks
Shills are on damage control tonight.
Trust me anyone who ISNT being paid to be here, the movie is fucking ass garbage. Even the normies at my theatre were complaining about it being ass.
>>67418772
>yo Hack Zimmer copy for me please the Fury Road music
I also liked it. It had its warts, sure, but it was definitely better than Age of Ultron. It was more ambitious thematically and looked fantastic in terms of cinematography and direction.
I think this is my favorite Batman in terms of look, but I liked Bale's Bruce Wayne more. Gadot was ok as Wonder Woman. Not much charisma but great during the fight.
I even dug Eisenberg's Luthor. It was a risky interpretation - very manic, genius millenial. The part where he flubs the speech is a good example. Didn't always land, but I liked what he was going for.
Overall, 8/10. Will probably see again. Has moments that transcend but is bogged down by some bad narrative choices, namely the resolution to the Supes vs. Bats fight and Luthor's lack of a real plan or even motive.
I'm convinced that Marvel shills and people that just hate all superhero movies are just shitposting this movie regardless of merit.
I don't want this comics universe to become comical / more comedy like that would be awful. fucking guardians of the meme galaxy like bullshit
>>67418986
I didn't like Wonder Woman in this movie. She was there to set up the Justice League but her fighting abilities were terrible. I think this comes down to all the action outside of Batman being complete meh.
Eisenberg comes across like a Tele-evangelist preacher
I remember way back during pre-production they floated him being a street thug skinhead. That would've been interesting to see.
Lex having video clips off all the future Justice League members is on par with seeing all the bad guy gear at Oscorp during ASM2.
>>67419043
>I-it's better than age of ultron
Why am I seeing this being mentioned so much in all these positive threads?
>>67418896
I know, it was one of the grim moments in comic book history but my opinion is that it didnt fit that well into the movie.
>>67418919
Basically the major fucking blunder is that they compressed two different movies or maybe three into one movie.
I am worried too. But i believe BvS blu ray would make the film better.
>Luther has a Xanatos gambit to manipulate Bats and Supes to kill one another
>he then reveals this to Supes and forces him to comply with it
why
>>67417949
> Just saw it in 75mm IMAX™
No such thing as 75mm IMAX, OP FAIL
>>67419083
That's just the last big cape movie I saw. Also fun but really shallow and dumb at times.
>>67418931
I have trouble believing that and you're probably baiting me but at this point I don't even what's true
Is it because of the 3 year delay? Did marvel make that many capeshits that no matter what the normies will thinks its shit and too serious
>>67419066
but who was that last guy, with half his body missing?
>>67419083
RT score
>>67418986
>doesnt have a counter argument why iam wrong or how the movie is wrong
>hahah LMAO XD critics hated it and normies in my imaginary preview show hated it
Why do i think you are an underage reddit tourist?
>>67419095
If he hadn't spent two years making Batman pissy at Supes he would have never broken into Lexcorp and stolen the kryptonite.
Then Lex could have just weaponized it like he'd planned.
>BRUCE!
>BRUCE LISTEN TO ME!
>YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT THIS MOVIE!
>YOU WERE ALWAYS RIGHT ABOUT THIS MOVIE!
>>67417949
>only redditors hate this movie
I love how /tv/ has to make sure that reddit hates the things they like/likes the things they hate. Like, you HAVE to make sure to say Reddit has the opposite opinion of you.
>>67418931
my theatre was completely full for the 6pm showing and when we left there was a huge line for the next one
It was the mehest movie I've ever seen. I would have felt more satisfied with a transformers 5.
>>67419113
There was a big line after I left, maybe I went too early. I also went to the 3D version.
>2012 + 4
>Still letting Zach "Open those plot holes wider" Snyder direct movies.
>>67419083
Because shillery is a real thing. Do you know how many people lurk and don't post? 4chan has MILLIONS of Unique visitors a month. Big Hollywood studios put hundreds of millions of dollars into their advertisement campaigns. How hard is it to believe that there's a few paid posters, who have a basic script and an agenda. Just a few months ago a porn about memes was posted by mods to /tv/s front page. I'm sure new moot, who has been strangely silent since he took over 4chan, makes a few dollars off shit like that. So if Brazzers knows enough about /tv/ to make and post a literal /tv/ meme porn video, why wouldn't big Hollywood studios? It doesn't even have to be some huge conspiracy, it can literally be a handful of interns.
>Yfw the fight scenes in DCU compared to Marvel
They are so superior in every way it's not even funny.
>Marvel
>Always go for massive amounts of bad guys to please the kiddies who an go "WHOAH" when hulk smashes a bunch of them
>Fighting Ultron and it's literally just a bunch of shitty robots jumping at the good guys and being swatted away like they aren't even there
>DCU
>always just two or three fighting each other
>actually looks and feels like super powered beings fighting each other, with entire cities being demolished around them
Enjoy your shitty meme ratings while you can Marvel cucks, DCU will always be movies for actual fans of the source material.
>>67419147
he wanted him to steal it
>>67419242
OK Mr 30%
>>67419114
cyborg
>>67419083
Because it's easily better than AoU but not necessarily better than the first avengers and the superman/batman fans need some sort of victory. Also speaking for myself, I'm a little upset/paranoid regarding how badly the crittics bashed it. I went in expecting it to suck and was more than pleasantly surprised.
>>67419202
I feel a teensy bit better now.Thanks
>>67419242
Enjoy thinking a shining turd is better than an ugly one
>>67419242
DCU fights are basically DBZ. They are better than Marvel fights though.
>>67417949
Does it bother you that the only reason you are so positive about the movie is because its getting reamed? You do realize if this was 90%+ on RT and the general public loved it you would be doing everything you could to rip it apart.
>>67419301
You are saying the fights in this are better than Winter Soldier?
>>67419322
excuse me sir you're edgy as fuck. But good job seeing through his master plan there. Real grade A
>>67419295
Enjoy living a live where other people's opinions decides what is good or bad for you.
>>67418949
Batman's motive to destroy Superman, was fear and uncertainty. Knowing Superman's desire to save his mother, allowed Batman to relate to him. Before, he saw Superman as a monster.
But then learning that Superman's motives are so similar to his own, he was able to see Superman as a man.
>>67419345
>edgy
nice using terms you don't even understand. Bravo
>>67419046
>I'm convinced that Marvel shills and people that just hate all superhero movies are just shitposting this movie regardless of merit.
Well you should be because they are. Any serious student of film wouldn't be sitting around on this site bashing capeshit or making insane claims like these people are. It's fucking obvious (to anyone that has seen the movie).
It's easier to list the things I outright didn't like
>Lex bounces between terrifyingly manic, and then just bizarre in some scenes. Sometimes it works, sometimes it just distracts horribly from the rest of the scene
>editing was all over the goddamn place. Some scenes needed to be cut or shortened, and some scenes happen out of chronological order without immediate apparent context either through thematic continuity or specified as flashbacks until after the fact
>Gadot is wooden
>Supes is still disappointingly mopey (I like his relationship with Lois a lot this time though)
Everything else in the movie was either good to great. Those were the main things I'd like to change.
>>67419244
Judging by his face, I don't think he anticipated that actually.
>>67419114
>yfw this Marvel cuck doesn't even know who that was
Gee, what member of the justice league is created by his black father and is mostly a robot?
>>67419114
..cyborg...
mark my words,this is how theyre bringing superman back:
> flash movie
>flash goes back in time
>warns batman, superman whoever the fuck and somehow changes whats supposed to happen, doomsday killing superman that is
>superman doesnt die
>>67419451
I think Flash said something about coming back too early. Whatever Bats was "right" about, I think it's yet to happen.
>>67419451
Did you even watch the movie faggot?
>>67417949
Good/Great parts of the movie
>cinematography and colors
L-O-motherfucking L
>>67419301
They are DBZ shit in the comics too. How else are super powered beings capable of flight and lifting entire sky scrapers supposed to fight?
>>67419494
Great response, very insightful!
>>67419095
Because he realized Supes would never go for a fight with Batman. Bruce could stand under the rain for a month shining his signal and Supes would never go down to fight him.
>>67419364
I think you put more thought into that than the screenwriters did
It was the Spider-man 3 of batman movies
>>67419451
Doubtful. Knightmare scene is probably the result of an Injustice type scenario, where Lois dies and Supes goes iron-fist dictator under Darkseid's influence. Flash was trying to tell Bruce he needs to keep Lois safe.
>>67418288
fucking kill yourself. Lex wasn't good at all.
I think the best scene was honestly when Lex Luthor talked Superman into submission on the helipad. It was a great telling of Lex's psycholgoical power over Superman then casually walking off.
>>67419066
Beginning to realize that /tv/ is just another shit stained board that shits on everything and anything. and I only go on this board very rarely... nice job guys.
>>67417949
How much wb paid you to post this anon?
The intro dream sequence and Bruce's drive through Metropolis under siege were fantastic. I loved how the scene conveyed a feeling of 'holy shit get the fuck out of here' and 'Bruce/Batman is a total badass for almost not giving a fuck while things around him explode and collapse'.
I loved the BvS fight.
I loved Martha's rescue. Wonderful fight with great choreography.
Wonder Woman felt tacked on but I must admit that it was really awesome when she showed up during the Doomsday battle.
I actually liked Doomsday but I understand why some people didn't.
I didn't like Superman. Too grumpy and angry. It's like they turned Superman into Batman and Batman into the Punisher. Too violent, both of them. Superman wasn't lovely or sweet or kind or nice in the slightest. He was too much of a dick so people who didn't like him in MoS are gonna hate him here. And Batman killing people was overdone. Too careless. Killing is the one thing Batman only does if he absolutely has no other choice and in this movie he kills left and right. But it has to be said that Batman in this universe is mentally a bit... psychotic. So maybe his slide into Punisher terretory is justified but even so it went too far.
The desert dream sequence was silly and the fight in it was ridiculously bad.
The email with the clips of the future JL members was also ridiculous. The movie in general has many part I would have cut completely.
Minor nitpick: The kryptonite would have been cool even without glowing like a magical weapon from WoW. Just keep it simple. A green crytal. Fine, make it glow a bit. But don't make it glow like a fucking torch. Snyder stop overdoing things!
The fight between Batman and Superman was absolutely fantastic with my favorite part being Batman punching Superman's face with every punch moving Superman's face less until it's like he's punching a solid concrete wall where his head doesn't move at all. Batman's oh fuck face with his hand gesture saying 'now wait a moment' was wonderful.
One of my main issues with the movie is that there's just so much going on that there's not enough screentime to go around, making it so no one really stands out.
People are saying Affleck was great. I thought he was good, but didn't have enough time to shine and develop as Bruce Wayne in particular. Liked Alfred a lot and it makes sense that he didn't have a ton of screen time so I'm fine with that.
I enjoyed some of the things they began to do with Superman, him saving a bunch of people, questioning what his purpose should be, but they didn't dwell on that long enough or offer any resolve. When they were about to go further into it (the Senate meeting), everything just blows the fuck up because Snyder is essentially Michael Bay for pseudo-intellectuals.
Many more issues, but I just saw the movie an hour ago and my brain is still trying to decompress all this shit. I did like some parts. Batman's warehouse scene where he fucks those guys up was cool.
>>67419828
what context is this?
>>67419113
>>67419175
I saw a 9:30 showing and it was
PACKED
A
C
K
E
D
I enjoyed it overall, thought Afflek was the GOAT Batman, and am now seriously hype as fuck to see an Aquaman movie.
Did anyone else get that obnoxious "plz guis, don't spoil the movie for others" message from Zack Snyder at the beginning of their showing? My entire theater cracked up when that little bit was over.
>>67418976
That look of dissatisfaction on her face is so hot. Hopefully I can make a woman that dissatisfied when I finally get laid.
>>67419911
Continued:
Affleck is now THE Batman. He was incredible.
Luthor was shit. Not Eisenberg's fault, his acting would have been totally fine if he were playing the Joker, Luthor is not some weirdo nerd spastic autist. Luthor is a cool, collected, cunning, calculating, competent (damn many c-words) business man who would never behave like fucking psycho clown. Luthor should have been a man. Not a twerp. An actual man, maybe 5-10 years older than Superman. A man with an incredible intellect but not the way he was in the movie. God Luthor sucked so bad...
what is the song thats playing softly in the background when batman talks with superwoman or something at the ball/gala held by luthor. not when they're downstairs but upstairs and dancing or whatever. it sounds like its from another movie (studio ghibli film or something). i recognized it but couldn't place it and its bugging the shit outta me
>>67420029
No, is that real? Dear god
>>67420061
>Hopefully I can make a woman that dissatisfied when I finally get laid
>>67420117
It is very real. Here we all were, after the trailers, ready to start the movie. Then, Snyder's punchable face pops us asking us not to spoil the movie for others....we thought it was some kind of joke...
>>67420203
It's not even possible to spoil the movie though; we already knew everything from the trailers.
>>67417949
>>Opening scene with the beautiful music
don't even remember it
>>cinematography and colors
regular shit but I saw it in some shitty 3D and found it too dark
>>Wonder Woman/ Gal Gadot
hamfisted into the story
>>Batman v Superman TDKR fight
most disappointing part of the movie, barely any choreography in it, too quick and too dark, no tension because superman is a pussy and we know batman won't kill him, clark's mom having the same name as bruce's is the definition of an ex machina btw
>>Superman scenes
meh
>>Final fight
literally *insert grunting grotesque villain* here, fucking terrible action too reminded me of a hulk movie
>>editing
yep it was bad but apparently there's an extended cut coming out
>>soundtrack
fucking monotonous as fuck, only wonder woman's battle theme stood out a bit for me, sounded exactly like the soundtrack for the nolan batman films but without any of the directorial tension which was a fucking bother, couldn't believe it was hans zimmer
>>Lois Lane/Amy Adams
she's irrelevant to the movie overall
>>Lex Luthor
no major compains, he could've been written better, a little more dark to fit in with the movie, but jesse played the role well which is something these days
>>Doomsday
terrible
>>killing Superman twice
the only cool part about this movie is today release day is friday and sunday is easter which is so blatantly a paralell to jesus christ it's fucking kekworthy
overall 5/10 regular capeshit movie deadpool manages to be better somehow
Does Lex luthor lose his hair if so how ?
>>67418003
He is right. Eisenberg was GOAT, unironically he did a better Joker than Ledger, but he wasn't Luthor. I can't imagine Joker's personality clashing with his because HE HAS THE SAME.
It could have been cool if he was serious and smug during the two acts and then going insane in the third (That scene in the prison was really good).
He was literally Gritty Quips: the character.
The score was a major downside to me. I was expecting some new original pieces but was mostly welcomed with recycled score from man of steel, and not even the good pieces. The story was drawn out and it overall it felt like too much was packed into the film. I enjoyed it though.
OP image looks like goatse
>>67420246yes.jail.
The desert dream was dumb and Mad Max Batman is too, or as I prefer to call him Bat Max.
Lex Luthor was pretty good though. I was rooting for him the entire movie.
Massive shillling going on for this movie on /tv/
The critics are right, its bad, the worst parts in my opinions are Jesse Eisenburg's Luthor.... what in the fuck. Just horrible. They should have figured out this did not work before actual filming began, like give him a screentest. The other problem is Cavill.... he brings nothing to Superman. It was like all they told him was "EH.. just do what you did in MoS, thanks". Just nothing interesting.
>>67420248
He didn't act anything like any Joker has ever acted in any interpretation, movie or otherwise. He acted like Johnny Depp as Willy Wonka
>>67420362
Man, I couldn't decide on whether I was on board with this luthor, but I did like affleck as batman. My favorite luthor was always the dude in smallville.
can anyone explain batmans dream where the guy was coming out of the portal or some shit
>>67420380
My problem is not with Cavill personally. I believe that the screenwriters and Snyder do not understand the character of Superman whatsoever and have no idea how to make his personal struggles compelling or even apparent. I find it hard to criticize Cavill for his performance because he's given hardly any speaking lines (in both BvS and MoS) and there's absolutely no Clark Kent presence or establishment at all.
>>67420422
the flash is OP
>>67418003
>wacky violin playing in the background
>>67419054
Eh, we only saw her fighting a nigh-invulnerable Doomsday. I want to see her smack down some Germans in WWI.
>>67420433
Thats what I thought when i saw it.
>>67419242
The short clip of bucky and captain america gangbanging iron man was better than anything I saw in BvS
>>67420380
>The critics are right, its bad
I don't think the problem is with the critics being right with this movie as much as they've been wrong about other movies. As far as capeshit goes it's one of the better ones, yet it has the worst reviews. Makes no sense. Agreed on Eisenburg though.
>>67420405
Yeah, I was really unsure if I'd like Affleck as Batman, but he was surprisingly enjoyable.
So what the fuck was with that dream where everything's all fucked up and some guy in a portal gives Bruce a message? It's literally never brought up again
How did Lex know that Martha is Superman's mother?
Why wasn't there a Superman folder on Lex's drive?
>>67420483
The guy in the portal was the Flash. In the comics flash can time travel. Not sure why he was in a dream sequence though. Will probably be explained later.
>>67419392
To be fair, I didn't really know who Cyborg was until I remembered he was on Teen Titans, which I didn't really watch. He didn't show up in the Justice League cartoons either. So I wouldn't expect others to instantly know who he is, unlike Flash or Aquaman.
I liked it, can't understand the hate. It has flaws, especially editing and dragged out 1st half. Things I personally disliked
>cgi when Superman is recovering from nuke blast
>superman can't hear his mother and find out where she is in a second
>batman straight up murders like 20 people
Other than those, movie was great and I enjoyed it. Batman was great, so were the fights and cinematography
>think Batman and Superman will fight because they both disagree with each other's ideologies and will have a verbal fight before it comes to blows
>they actually fight because Lex has Supes' mom and Batman won't listen for 10 seconds
>>67420499
>How did Lex know that Martha is Superman's mother?
Presumably because of his connection to lois and her connection to Martha.
>Why wasn't there a Superman folder on Lex's drive?
Why would need one? Superman wasn't a secret. The others were in hiding.
>>67420342
wat like he gets in a fight and somebody rips his hair out or does he is join some Aryan brotherhood?
Cult classic just aired to millions tonight. No one will appreciate MoS and BvS until they've read TDKR and All-Star Superman.
>>67420548
They shave his head when he goes to jail.
>>67420548
He just gets it shaved completely. Maybe it's the rules there or something.
>>67420548Nope, guards shaved his head. Probably for delousing.
>>67420469
>one of the better ones
I don't understand how. It suffers the same messy issues of ASM2 and Iron Man 2 where they cram in too much shit and don't have a solid direction of where they want the movie to go.
>>67417949
>7.5/10
Come on breh, 6.5/10 tops. I agree with everything else especially the critics being cucks
>>67420542
>Why would need one? Superman wasn't a secret. The others were in hiding.
So? I'm sure he'd still have a folder with pics and videos of Superman using his powers. Would probably analyze the footage. That's what Luthor does.
>>67419041
>not copying the 300 music
>>67417949
They nailed "The Flash" pretty good imo.
>>67420585
He wouldn't need it to be hidden though since it would be public record. All of the data on there was not a matter of public record, presumably
>>67420532
Fucking this. I wanted the fight to be because of fundamental differences in ideology. Instead we get that forced shit and the resolution happens in a split second because their moms have the same name and Lois "right place right time" Lane shows up because they needed to make her relevant
>>67420581
I actually kind of agree with you but ASM2 was a complete fucking mess and IM2 was just stale all around. I don't think it's as good as Winter Soldier but I'd put it above MOST (not all) capeshit. Speaking of which, neither of those franchises got below 50% which serves my point.
>>67420563
>>67420573
>>67420578
Yeah that makes much more sense thx for clearing up
>>67420558
I've read both and didn't like either of those movies.Admittedly I didn't like TDKR much though. Something about Miller's style and Batman's cringeworthy dialogue
>>67419344
>that hand to hand on the boat
fucking glorious
>>67420640
>Lois "right place right time" Lane
Literally a pillar of the comics.
>because their moms have the same name
serious question, is this bait? it wasn't solely because their moms have the same name
>I wanted the fight to be because of fundamental differences in ideology
Technically it was, they just never discussed it. I could go either way on that.
>>67419242
Haven't seen BvS yet, but the CQC fights in winter soldier were LEAGUES ahead of the flailing CGI in MoS.
>>67420725
only decently shot and choreographed cqc in the entirety of BvS is with batman in the desert, the rest is all shit
don't bring your hopes up
>>67420690
I understand that wasn't the only reason but the execution of it was awful in my opinion.
Also not discussing it was the biggest issue. It would be like watching a presidential debate where Romney and Obama just started duking it out on the stage (which would be much more entertaining in that context, mind you).
Also, their ideologies were not ever firmly established in this film universe. Batman doesn't like Superman because of the Zod incident and because of Superman's power. Fair enough reason to want to bring him down, sure. Superman doesn't like Batman because of his methods of vigilantism. However, none of that matters because the only reason he fought Batman was because his mother was held hostage, so all ideologies thrown out the window anyways.
>>67419642
Nice, I like this theory.
>>67420725
Well to be fair the flailing CGI was only half of the fights in MoS. The other half was considered the only good DBZ style action to ever hit he big screen even by haters. A lot of winter soldier's choreography was repetitive and lame though but I'd agree overall it's better. Wouldn't compare it to this movie. Marvel fights are more about high budget hong kong action while DC fights are more like titans battling it out.
>>67420793
>the desert
Is this a joke? Did you miss the part where all the soldiers lined up one by one to point their guns at Batman and wait to be punched? It was laughably bad.
The good scene was in the warehouse towards the end. Although Batman shooting the flamethrower was the dumbest idea ever, but everything up to that was good.
>>67420454
what pissed me off was supes gets fucking wrecked by doomsday and wondy goes toe to toe with him no problem
>>67420846
>the only reason he fought Batman was because his mother was held hostage
That WAS stupid but I'm 100% sure that it was something the execs made Snyder do because of all of the man of murder complaints from the first movie. This is supported by the giant declaration made on the news that everyone vacated the area of the doomsday fight haha.
>>67420902
I don't know why she wasn't the one whostabbed doomsday. We could have avoided all the unnecessary drama. She wasn't knocked out or out of commission. Batman even weakened Doomsday. Superman could have just held him down.
>>67420902
Technically superman never got wrecked. Really only the nuke fucked him up. WW is a trained warrior. Superman is just an overpowered dude. When they both absorbed that blast they looked even.
>>67420422
That's the Flash attempting to travel back in time and warn Bats, but overshooting the mark.
>>67420972
I was thinking that during the scene where Superman was grabbing the spear.
>Oh god this moron's going to grab his only weakness to stab that faggot isn't he
>Wonderwoman hasn't even taken a scratch and is clearly powerful enough to do this
>Just grab her and bring her to the spear she'll be fine
>Batman isn't even doing anything anymore
>>67420889
>The good scene was in the warehouse towards the end.
I don't think so. That scene wasn't particularly bad, but it wasn't anything extraordinary either. Just batman jumping around in the dark being protected by his bullet proof cape. I like my fighting choreography to at least be uninterrupted and with everyone in the shot. No one was shooting batman because it was a dream sequence. That's why it's shot differently from the rest of the movie and he is able to take out bad guys one by one with ease.
>>67420997
supes wasn't doing too good and as the movie forced down our throats he's basically a god. Wonder Woman was the only one actually holding her own
>>67421068
It being a dream sequence isn't an excuse for it to look so cheesy. Fight scenes in Arrow look better than that shit
GRANNY'S PEACH TEA
>>67421122
I just got back from it a couple hours ago. Doomsday did literally nothing to wreck him. The only time he inflicted any damage was when they were both weakened by the kryptonite. Also I hate to pull a kylo ren defense here but he had also just received the biggest ass beating of his life from Batman. Wonder Woman did inflict more damage but again she's literally the best fighter in the justice league, is super human, and her gear is practically unbreakable.
>>67420532
It made sense in TDKR because they had decades of experience and knowing each other, where Bruce was a jaded old man, and Clark was the government's errand boy.
It wouldn't work here because they only just met each other.
>>67421180
> Fight scenes in Arrow look better than that shit
Said absolutely no one ever. How are you CW assholes so delusional. Maybe if you said Daredevil or something... jesus christ
>>67417949
DCucks thought it would be better than the Marvel Movies...good lord
>>67421244
My point was that fight scenes in Arrow are shit but still look better than the garbage desert scene. I'm not a CW guy.
Daredevil has a fair amount of well-choreographed fights so that wouldn't have served my insult quite so well.
>>67421180
You are complaining about the choreography which is a cool shot power fantasy (made 'cheesy' by the simple fact that batman in this movie is slower and he is fighting in an open field without any cuts) instead of the terrible cgi ayy lmaos descending from the sky?
anyone care to explain why Lieutenant Dan was all mad at Bruce? I didn't get that
>>67421307
Hey don't get me wrong, I absolutely hated all the CGI shit. The Doomsday fight gave me a fucking migraine.
>>67421350
I think it was implied that Lex had been intercepting all the checks and sending them back so he could somehow sort of manipulate people to finagle a fight between Batman and Superman that somehow worked out in his favor or something
>>67421305
>My point was that fight scenes in Arrow are shit but still look better than the garbage desert scene
And my point was that's literally not fucking true, unless you prefer borne style cutaway pseudo choreography where you can't see anything because they are trying to expedite the filming process by hiding the doubles and they don't sell the moves at all.
>>67418836
>>67418864
This.
man WB put CNN to work on BVS, I think they everyone on there.
>>67421350
He thought Bruce abandoned him when LEx was actually intercepting all of his sorry you lost your legs paychecks.
lifelong DC fan here, I think they might have slightly fucked it up here. $250 million is no small amount, and they tried to shove in too much.
I personally enjoyed the movie because I was with my friends who enjoyed it too but now that I came out of it and have the time to think about the story, I think they really did fuck up with the story.
The first thing I didn't like was Batman being old, in his 40s. All that development is gone, but i was still fine with it, as I said, I'm a fan of super hero movies and I enojyed it because my company was good but after thinking on it for a bit they didn't do justice to the characters. No pun intended.
>>67421383
But how did Lex know Batman was Bruce? And to be planning that for 2 years when the movie implied he only had an issue with Batman after he stole the kyrptonite?
>>67421390
I do not necessarily prefer that, but it's possible to do nice choreography in open shots without it looking slow and horribly set up. Whenever you get to rewatch it, please pay attention to the five or six soldiers Batman is fighting in that scene and how they will point their guns at him, not shoot, wait for him to finish fighting another guy, and then get closer to him so they can be punched. It's awkward and terribly done.
>>67421441
>But how did Lex know Batman was Bruce?
It was pretty much implied that they both knew everything about each other. He wasn't shocked at all to find out Lexcorp had been up to shit.
>This 10 second sequence is better than anything in MCU.
He's honestly the best pick for a dbz movie.
>>67421485
I miss her.
>>67421441
I don't know because they never explained it.
Also I think he wanted Batman to steal the kryptonite because his end goal was for BvS to happen.
I don't know. I'm not trying to make excuses for this shitpile, just trying to make sense of it.
>>67421441
>how did Lex know Batman was Bruce?
Magic.
> And to be planning that for 2 years when the movie implied he only had an issue with Batman after he stole the kyrptonite?
I think the movie implied that the only person who was capable of killing Superman was Batman and that's why he set things in such a way that Batman would "think" he outplayed Luthor and got the Kryptonite, but
>it was luthors plan all along
Genius.
>>67421471
>It's awkward and terribly done.
While I don't disagree, that's literally fucking standard for all movie choreography. It even happens in the raid which is praised for choreography.
>>67421513
I know that it's standard but that doesn't mean I have to accept it when movies and shows have done it much better. My main point is that the desert scene should not be praised as a good action scene or one with good choreography.
Will the failure of this movie set back the plans for the other DCU movies? I personally think it might affect them in the long term if the next solo movies don't work.
>>67421560
to be honest nothing should be except 1 on 1 fights by your logic. but I agree it wasn't the best scene in the movie.
Good parts;
I'll start by saying I really want to see the flash movie now. I don't know what it was about that 5 seconds of security footage but I loved it and I even loved how Ezra seemed it in with this whole "oh really?" Look on his face.
Also Bruce's version of the Zod fight was good
The batman superman fight itself was pretty good. It felt like an old school "vs" movie which I wasn't expecting despite the title
But I got the exact same "finally here we go! Fight!" Feeling that I got watching Freddie vs Jason, alien vs predator and even King Kong vs Godzilla.
I just about would've paid for them to skip the rest of the movie and just show the fight 5 times
>>67421595
I'm hype as fuck for aquamomoa
>>67421595
Suicide Squad is done, Wonder Woman is almost finished, and Batman will get made because it's Batman.
Nothing beyond that is safe.
>>67418355
>>67418680
This.When superman flies into space with doomsday the military nukes them and he dies in space, then recovers just to go down and get killed by doomsday.
>>67421046
I was sure that Batman making a spear was setting up for WW to do something with it.
As it was it was just retarded. Nobody ever thinks of making a kryptonite bullet, so I can't hold that against the movie but I don't buy that Batman's weapon of choice is a fucking spear. The gas grenades were cool though.
>>67421637
Aquamomoa was hot af. No homo. I watched the movie last night and O boy I really wanted momoa to come and fight, and they did pretty good with the flash in the dream sequence.
" you were right about him", "Am I too early?" "I'm too early aren't I?"
Wheres the flash screencap?
>>67421618
No I think 1vX fights can be done well. In recent memory, select scenes from Daredevil are done pretty well, notably Punisher's prison scene where he kills about 6 other prisoners in a confined hallway.
>>67421821
what?
>>67421836
There was a small scene were the Flash has his costume on.
>>67418772
I hate Zimmer. Everything he does sounds the fucking same, always over-produced with reverb cranked so high that the knob is broken.
>>67421852
Yes, that's where he says >>67421818
>>67421825
Context anon. People can't surround you in a hallway. Daredevil is fond of the Oldboy hammer scenario for a reason. Also, there are also plenty of examples of terrible coreography that season with the ninjas. They are surrounded by liek 20-30 at many points and only 1 or 2 attack them at a time, even after showing they have shurikens.
>>67418976
Are you an American?
>>67421471
>but it's possible to do nice choreography in open shots without it looking slow and horribly set up.
There are only a couple of choreographers in the industry capable of pulling that off and they are not working on capeshit that's for sure.
Also, what is the difference if they shoot him or not if the bullets are going to just ricochet off his cape? Maybe they ricochet into a friendly. Maybe they were being smart and not dumb by just standing their ground. Why would they go berserk when they are trying to methodically overwhelm him? They were probably ordered by evil Superman to lock him up alive. And they do suceed to do it. Also, there are ayliums coming down from the sky, they might be in shock. This is why arguing realism in these movies is fucking pointless. You are already suspending your disbelief for the rest of the movie, how unbelievable is it that some trained guys decide not to shoot Batman and take him one on one? On top of it, it doesn't even matter because it's literally a dream sequence and of course in his dream all works perfectly. Batman being slower is great, it shows how he is just a man bogged down by a heavy suit, and the desert fight shows it the most.
Realism and good choreography don't go hand in hand by the way. Especially when there are guns involved. You either have Taxi Driver or a Jackie Chan movie, where everybody is coming at the hero at a perfect rhythm to get smacked (which is precisely what makes great fight choreography, along with the cut).
I just think you watched the scene thinking it was real and formed your opinion right there without revisiting in your mind later.
Anyone else notice batman lifting more than 4 plates. Reminds me of when he benches in the comics
>>67421883
Yeah fair point about the hallway. And I completely agree about the ninjas. I was very tired of them showing up by the end of the season and was fatigued by the endless fight scenes with no tension. Punisher should have had more screentime and was a real breath of fresh air.
Anyways I'll just table the thought for now because I really can't think of any great examples.
>>67421914
I did not for a moment think the scene was real, I knew from the get-go it was a dream sequence because it was incredibly obvious. I'd have a hard time believing anyone thought that was actually happening. I also think you put more thought into that scene than the writers and choreographers did just so it makes more sense in your mind, because I can just about guarantee you that poor choreography is a more reasonable explanation than each soldier having a deep consideration of their surroundings and employing ridiculously ineffective tactics.
>>67421878
Why did he became a mexican?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p_omj0yOYA
>>67422011
muh diversity
Has Kevin fat fuck Smith said anything about BvS yet?
>>67422158
who?
>>67422000
I didn't put any thought into it. I just showed how putting any amount of thought into it is absolutely futile. Even "why don't they just shoot him" is pointless. A fight scene only purpose is to look good (cinematography) and feel right (rhythm), just that, no strings attached. That's not something easy to accomplish.
The desert scene was well shot, standing out from the rest of the movie, and delivered a feel of how heavy Batman really is, which is pivotal for the movie. The heavyness and the long shot work against the flow of the choreograpy feeling natural (your point), but that's not a dealbreaker to me. It could be better, but I'll have it over any other indistinguishable, mind-numbing, quick cut, impactless action scene.
>>67422158
https://twitter.com/ThatKevinSmith/status/713076896670437376
>>67422339
Well I'll respect your opinion on that. I agree that the rest of the movie doesn't offer much better in terms of fight scenes, though I still prefer Batman's warehouse fight.
>>67417949
>cinematography and colors
>and colors
>colors
>colors
>colors
>colors
>pretty colors everywhere.
>>67422401
As I said that fight wasn't badly executed at all, just felt like I had seen it before and maybe even in one of Nolan's Batman movies.
>>67422470
Fair enough, I just think it had a little more impact and brutality in it than the Nolan films.
>>67422519
>more impact and brutality in it than the Nolan films.
I agree to that but more due to this batman being heavier and straight up superior.
>>67422588
No doubt about that. Which reminds me, his workout montage was GOAT
>>67422614
truly was
doing pull ups with weights hanging from the neck
wew lad
>>67417949
As a casual who gives no shits about the comics I really enjoyed it. Its a fucking fantasy superhero escapist film.
The only genuinely shit part was Lex.
>>67418772
that shit is generic as fuck yo
>>67420242
test >inb4
>>67417949
>Wonder Woman not being horrible is a good part of the movie
Seriously, this must be the lowest standards I have ever seen. Something not being terrible is not a plus, it just means something is not terrible.
>>67417949
>movie was shit
>the manchild still managed to like it somehow
>>67418919
THE THINGS THAT GET ME MAD IS THAT AFTER A WHILE SUPERMAN HAD A GOOD REBOOT WHIT mOs AND THEN THEY RUIN THE TRILOGY WITH THIS.
I MUST HAVE FORGOTTEN CAPS LOCK ON..
why does batman say "i thought she was with you" when he knows hes the only one out of him and superman who even knows wonder woman exists?
>>67424803
Because the movie is a clusterfuck of plotholes and ill-concieved ideas.
>>67418836
>>Clusterfuck of a movie with too much stuff alluding to Justice League and plotlines like Doomsday
Why do people say this?
The movie was simple as fuck. They tease for about 1 hour and half the incoming fight and the creation of doomsday, you have to have ADD if you didn't already figure out what was going to happen in the rest of the movie by then. Also the Justice league stuff was barely hinted in a no more than 10 minutes sequence and in a dialogue at the end of the movie.
>>67417949
Oh no. Your in the wrong place to leave a positive review which goes against the curve.
>>67421441
Well literally anyone could figure out who batman is, I'm not memeing it's very obvious if you just narrowed it down.
>>67417949
+ Fight sequences are absolutely amazing. My favourite scene being where Bats is punching the weakened Superman in the face and each hit becomes less and less effective until it's like he's punching a solidsteelstatue.
+ I like how Superman is portrayed as this terrifying God and humanity doesn't know whether to trust him or not
+ To add to that I like how Supes has his own internal struggle of trying to do the right thing vs accepting that he causes chaos wherever he goes and that the world would be better without him
+ Affleck played Bats really fucking well and i like the "new" take on him being someone who has become sick of criminals and gave up his morals because of it
* People have complained that Supes doesn't do much but I think this fits with what I mentioned earlier.
* Eisenberg as Lex is... whatever. Not how I imagined Lex but I guess he plays him well.
- Wonderwoman, and the rest of the Justice League characters for that matter, are crowbarred in like fuck and don't add anything and just cause confusion.
- Pacing and editing is garbage, many of the scenes just cut right into each other without any buildup.
- Lex creating Doomsday makes no sense
- Bats decides not to kill Supes just because he mentions their mother's name. I understand that it humanises him as it makes Bats realise that he would be killing a /person/ and not just an alien god thing. But it seems like such a sudden 180 that I definitely feel could have been done better.
- Basically every scene with Lois
Overall I think the movie is /okay/. I feel like it is mostly a good movie up until WW is revealed and from there it just delves more and more into terrible dialogue and unnecessary scenes. It has some really amazing parts and some really fucking terrible parts. There's a shadow of a really good movie here.
Literallly all this movie needed is just a little bit better writing.
Just think for a second.
Why would Sup waste 10 minutes flying to Lex when he can be in Mexico within minutes?
Why would he say "I have to save Martha", who calls his mother on her name?
Why would Batman kill? He is notorious of his "no-kill rule", if you are going to go back to Burton at least have one line explain why is he so ruthless.
The chinematagrophy and the actors are really all right, the action is mind-blowing. Just a little bit more effort could had saved this movie.
The whole movie should had been about how the world reacts to supes. I really liked that Bat is actually afraid of him, that he is a menace for him.
The problem is, they made a prequel to the JL movie, not a movie which can stand on its own.
>>67417949
As far as capeshit goes it was a 4.2/10, and would have benefited from have a completely different story, editor and director.
>>67418931
my theater was packed a half hour before the movie.
>>67419175
same here. it was like everyone went to see it, i saw middle aged women by themselves
>>67425610
I think joker killing jason todd had something to do with bats become like punisher in this movie
>>67421192
well at least it has some good memes
>>67418836
Yeah Louis was totally useless, in fact, I don't even recall him being in the movie
>>67421595
>deemend failure
>box office not in yet
Hollywood rates films by earnings,not by faggot reviews. A film can bomb in ratings but still earn a lot.
Ex:
The Da Vinci Code
Box Office: $758.2 Million
Rotten Tomatoes: 24%
>>67426410
nice counter-argument faggot
Lois in the tub gave me a 3/4 chub.
>>67426772
What counter argument? Learn how to spell
>>67419344
You can't lump Winter Soldier in with the rest of marvel movies, it is in a league all its own in every way. The only other marvel move that comes close is the first Iron Man.
>>67418243
Christian Bale was the best thing to have ever happen to the Batman franchise.
No one took this capeshit seriously and he made Batshit and Bruce Wayne look awesome.
>>67417949
>>Batman v Superman TDKR fight
>Best part of the movie, the ending of the fight was emotional and not some kinda ex machina stopping the fight out of nowhere
The fight was good, but Superman made zero effort to tell Batman why he was fighting.
The entire fight could've been avoided by Superman telling Batman they're being played but then the movie would've just been "Justice League Origins" which it was anyway.
>>67429441
>The entire fight could've been avoided
That's all Snyders films. His greatest flaw as a movie maker is his inability to give us compelling motivations for his characters. It's like he can't stand the idea of characters having meaningful discussions with each other.
>>67417949
>cinematography and colors
what colors?
>Wonder Woman/ Gal Gadot
>She not being horrible is a plus so i would add it to the good list
so her being less than good is good??
>>67419174
Honestly, people who identify as members of a particular site are nothing but filth and ought to be placed in concentration camps until they understand their mistake and if they remain obstinate; killed.
>>67425492
>- Bats decides not to kill Supes just because he mentions their mother's name.
Batman decided not to kill him because In this case Superman would lose his mother like Bruce lost his own.
>>67425610
>Why would he say "I have to save Martha", who calls his mother on her name?
When does he say this? When Bats is about to stab him with the spear? He tells Batman to find and save a woman called Martha from Lex because he thinks he's going to die.
>>67429441
>The fight was good, but Superman made zero effort to tell Batman why he was fighting.
Didn't he fucking try but Batman told him to fuck off by trying to fight him?
Shills: the thread
Fucking hell people, it was such obvious garbage. Plot holes everywhere. Fight scenes like my eight year old brother would make. Editing and pacing were so off the wall it made me wonder how anyone could have let it slide; but then I remember, Zach Snyder.
Easy 0/10. No redeeming qualities whataoever. It hurt to watch.
>>67419828
Oh.
My.
God.
This movie's a bucket of piss and you faggots are calling it Granny's peach tea.
>>67419170
Who the fuck was that?
>>67417949
I really liked it. My only gripes with it are:
>Gal Gadot is way too ugly for WW. Lois is easily more attractive
>Batman is an alcoholic and def kills a lot of people. He just doesn't give a fuck
That Batman bit leads me to be more partial towards that Jason Todd = Leto Joker they've been spreading round here.
>>67431765
Gadot isn't really ugly. She just looks absolutely nothing like Wonder Woman.
This Batman is inspired by The Dark Knight Returns and doesn't care about upholding his no kill policy.
>>67418986
Explain how what you're doing isn't shilling for marvel. You piece of shit disgusting excuse of a human.
>>67431876
I could go to the mall right now and easily spot 4-5 girls more attractive than Gadot. She only has a nice face, but that's it. Flat as a board, no muscle, and I'm supposed to believe it when other characters comment on how attractive she is. Terrible casting choice.
I know it's supposed to be TDKR, which is why I found it odd that he was an alcoholic. Doesn't Jim comment on how unusual it is for him to see Bruce drinkin champagne?
>>67431645
Iron Man
>>67431876
>This Batman ripped off The Dark Knight Returns
ftfy
>see movie opening night
>not a fanboy whose opinion is worthwhile
ok senpai
>>67427873
>He forgets most people prefer camp to boring serious movies that are no fun at all
Bruce's training montage was pretty intense
>>67420111
It was from Swan Lake I think...Tchaikovsky
The flash going back in time to warn Bruce about shit was the only little cameo that didn't bother me. WW literally receiving an email for the JL was too much.
>>67432868
>WW literally receiving an email for the JL was too much.
With their logos, no less.
>>67432907
I sighed the loudest sigh and couldn't stop laughing when I saw that.
LIKE, WHO THE FUCK SIGNED OFF ON THAT!?
Batman using a sink as a weapon and the piss jar "joke" make this movie the absolute god-tier kino.
>>67432835
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
>>67432868
tfw when I first saw him I thought he was the Red Hood
