So im currently watching American crime story.
I think its very good, good actors n all. I have heard about this case before but never really knew what it was about.
I can understand why all the Blackies thinks he was innocent because we all know dem cops be baed against african-americans, very baed.
But does people in America think he is still innocent, to this day?
>>66643326
>But does people in America think he is still innocent, to this day?
No which is why he's currently in prison until he's 80 for robbery and assault. He also lost the civil trial.
>>66643326
Too bad the show lost all credibility when they made Fuhrman a literal Nazi.
>>66643524
>implying he wasnt
I still believe he's innocent.
You really have to read the book the series is based on.
It was kind of fun to see how racist people were in the 90s.
>>66643415
isn't he getting out this year on parole?
>>66643573
Could you explain?
>>66643618
The glove didn't fit.
>>66643415
>He also lost the civil trial
There was nothing civil about it
The best actors on the show are the black lawyers, which is why /tv/ hates it.
>>66643631
Hmm, thats.. thats fucked.
Btw, how is it today in America between whites n blacks?
I can imagine its better but im not an american so i cant fcking tell.
Brown and Vance are killing it.
>>66643600
He won't get out. Juice made the justice system look even more retarded than it already was. They want the man to die in prison.
>>66643707
What do you mean it's fucked? The glove was never going to fit since it got wet and shrunk. It was leather.
>>66643326
The more I watch the more I think did this really happen. I don't mean him getting off.
I'm talking about the police and prosecution ineptitude. That they didn't arrest him immediately. That they let him turn himself in, which he obviously didn't, making them look like fools. Okay, I'm sure they wouldn't have been able to stop him assembling that dream team defense but shit, at least make your case stronger.
This Clark woman is looking like a bigger retard every episode, the last one being the biggest one. You could see as soon as that guy started talking about getting the word nigger banned from the trial, all of them knew immediately "We've made a huge mistake" and they did it anyway. They are still going through with putting Furhman on the stand, and there are red flags all over this guy. Gigantic red flags with swastikas. And they know the defense is going to make this about race.
She's so fucking stupid. She's been wrong about everything regarding the case except the murder.
What a fucking shitshow.
>>66643707
It's been set back but nowhere near as bad as early 90s.
>zooming in on the swastika
And dropped.
He didn't do it.
Look at the court records.
If you can't figure out who killed her, you are fucking retarded.
It's right there.
>>66643631
>gain wait
>put on a high friction latex glove first
its not at all hard to stretch your hand and make it wider than it is to make it look like a glove doesn't fit. And these were the type of gloves that would be snug to begin with they weren't knitted winter mittens.
>>66643931
Cochran's ghost pls go.
>>66643825
>It's been set back but nowhere near as bad as early 90s.
I see
>>66643825
well all of that really did happen, which is why this made for a perfect tv show
what the hell are they going to do for season 2?
>>66644183
That's meant to be about Katrina.
>But does people in America think he is still innocent, to this day?
No.
Some black people PRETEND he's innocent, but they're just glad he got away with murdering two white people.
>>66643854
I know the cop lied and said nigger at some point. He then refused to answer those questions in court.
But that swastica thing never happened right? I mean it's just exaggerated right?
>>66644183
I'm hoping for the Charles Manson murders
NO NOOSE FOR THE JUICE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=726Ujz_KOHE
>>66643554
I knew i knew dis nigger from somewhere. Its Jonesy
>>66644250
Except he didn't really get away because they pulled an Al Capone on him right after.
>>66644286
We already have Aquarius for that.
>>66644285
It is exaggerated but according to Harvey Levin there were known Nazi sympathizers in the LAPD. http://www.trend247.net/news/Entertainment/33421/Harvey-Talks-People-V-OJ-Simpson-Nazi-Controversy
>>66644427
>according to a Jew there are Nazis everywhere
Giving Harvey Levin incorrect change is like a second holocaust.
>>66644285
He was accused of it, but it wasn't really corroborated by anyone. Probably not true.
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/03/mark-fuhrman-nazi-people-vs-oj
>>66644285
Allegedly.
However I don't see why they felt the need to add it in, the show was doing fine enough job already showing what's up with the guy. Even if collecting Nazi memorabilia doesn't really make one a nazi, it's clearly what they're implying.
It's almost like if they started the show by flat-out showing OJ do it.
The more I watch this series the more I am glad we don't have juries in my country. The whole idea is beyond retarded.
>no matter how overwhelming the evidence is
>if these random guys off the street say you walk
>you fucking walk
>and by the way they are easy as fuck to manipulate, swindle, bribe and influence!
>isn't this justice?
fucking seriously?
>>66644638
But he did do it.
Also, collecting Nazi memorabilia doesn't automatically made one a Nazi, but if you collect Nazi memorabilia AND are racist as fuck I'm gonna go out on a limb and make the risky assumption you are in fact a fucking Nazi.
>>66644250
>jews
>white
>>66643326
why are they blackwashing O.J. Simpson?
Two moments I'm looking forward to.
>the glove not fitting
>Fuhrman pleading the fifth
>>66644687
>>and by the way they are easy as fuck to manipulate, swindle, bribe and influence!
No they aren't. Both sides also have to agree on the jury. It's just another reason why Marcia was so retarded, approving a jury that stacked against her.
Wasn't it likely to be his son?
>>66645018
The book describes him and an accomplice, which could only have been his son.
>>66644988
Still, with this system the whole concept goes from "try to prove something with facts" to "try to convince these particular people of your narrative" which is a completely different thing and not really about fairness and justice at all.
>>66644988
Yes they are. Why do you think the mafia get off so easily?
>>66644926
I'm waiting for cross examination on Fuhrman.
Nathan Lane is gonna shine
>>66645072
>Why do you think the mafia get off so easily
Witness tampering.
>>66644755
Yes I agree with you, but what I've liked about the show is how they've managed to stay sort of neutral in the portrayal of the events. Or as neutral as they could, since something like that is probably impossible to do all the way.
The show has been so far just what happened or was confirmed to have happened with dramatic camera work and badass one-liners, nothing more. Showing the guy with nazi stuff (which from my knowledge was never confirmed) kind of goes against all that.
>>66644398
>Right after
He had 14 years of freedom and ot wouldve stayed if he never attempted that break in.
>>66645058
The facts usually do win though.
The OJ case is one glaring instance where overwhelming evidence didn't succeed and that's what makes it so remarkable even two decades later.
>>66644030
And on top of all that, it was getting frozen, thawed, and refrozen multiple times for DNA testing. Cochrane eventually goaded the prosecution into having OJ try it on, but them even requesting such a thing was exemplary of just how ridiculously stupid and incompetent the whole prosecution was. Give credit to the legal dream team for eventually pulling this whole thing off, but it required the total inverse in legal ability on the part of the prosecution to make an acquittal possible.
Question : do you think that the dream team choosing to make the defense about race worsened the relations between whites and blacks in the US for years to come?
>>66645189
He was breaking in to take stuff that had been stolen from him, the sentence was completely ludicrous and disproportional.
>>66645259
Every week I just feel worse for Marcia Clark. She really had no idea what she was getting into.
>>66644427
>quoting a Jewish TMZ lawyer
D R O P P E D
R
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P
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All of OJ's lawyers knew he did it, even Robert.
How could these people live with themselves?
>>66645298
>the sentence was completely ludicrous and disproportional.
I think they were trying to balance the previous sentence which was also ludicrous.
In the end OJ got where he belonged (prison) so I guess all's well that ends well.
>>66645370
>lawyers
>people
>>66645294
it didn't help
Cuba Gooding was such a werid choice for OJ. He's effeminate, weak chinned, short and not muscular.
OJ was intimidating during this trial whereas Cuba is just some weak, chubby old man.
I don't know why the chose him, but it certainly wasn't for his acting ability or resemblance.
You know, after watching this series that whole Chris Rock segment "now I not sayin he shoulda killed her...but I understand." which I used to fin funny is really not that fucking funny anymore.
>>66645174
Supposedly there were written reports/complaints from fellow officers that Fuhrman had nazi memorabilia at his desk but the judge did not allow the defense to admit them as evidence.
So it's a stretch, but not much of one.
>>66645370
So defense attorneys shouldn't defend people they believe to be guilty? That makes no sense; even guilty people deserve a fair trial.
>>66645508
Definitely the worst part of the show in my opinion. I'm trying to remember any part of the case where you just thought that OJ was a limp wristed man with the mentality of an 8 year old boy, but I'm coming up empty.
>>66645672
OJ was about as smart as an 8 year old tho
>dem letters to Nicole
>>66645508
I think he's been doing an excellent job even if he looks nothing like the actual OJ
>>66645717
non-American here, post excerpts if you can. In the mood for a good laugh.
Was OJ the original dindu?
>>66645619
what did chris rock mean by that?
>>66645717
Fair, but being a dumb nigger athlete=/=mental retardation. Cuba's portrayal makes OJ seem like a harmless child with down syndrome.
>>66645665
>guilty people deserve a chance to get off
They do not.
But yes, how could a defence lawyer make a living out of a reputation of turning his clients in?
They are some of the scummiest people on earth, worse than the perps.
>>66645803
And how do you decide that they're guilty without a fair trial?
>>66645780
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNAfvaJEOF4
Video quality is shit but the audio is clear enough.
>>66645803
Yeah, they do.
Maybe you should read Kafka's The Trial. That's the dystopian alternative to the rule of law and court system of due process.
>>66645761
I can't find it. Someone posted it in an OJ thread the other day.
>>66645849
We literally just established that they confess to the lawyer.
>>66645968
That confession is inadmissible. Do you really not believe in the rule of law and due process?
>>66646089
Have you jumped into this discussion without reading the preceeding part?
The question is how can a defence lawyer live with himself knowing he's helped a murderer to walk free.
>>66646185
Because he's played one of the most important and under-appreciated parts in our court system, one which the only system would be a farce without. When they defend someone in a notorious case, they get death threads from bootlickers like you, and when they defend petty criminals they often get blamed by their clients for losing what was a hopeless case.
>>66646185
How does a prosecutor live with himself knowing he may have convicted an innocent man?
You believe in the system and that you did your job and acted ethically.
>>66646369
The difference is that he doesn't know for certain, and as our court system stands, has actually proved beyond doubt that the guy was guilty.
So when someone is found guilty it's pretty concrete.
For a defence lawyers to knowingly defend someone that has confessed to the crime, it's perjury. They are worse than the accused.
>>66646476
>For a defence lawyers to knowingly defend someone that has confessed to the crime, it's perjury.
Look up what words mean before you use them. This is embarrassing.
>>66646736
>knowingly lying in court
Yeah, pretty sure that's perjury. Sorry kid.
>>66646476
Think you give prosecutors too much credit. They often will charge people with crimes based on who they can convict, and cut sweetheart deals with other criminals to turn on someone else.
It comes down to the fact that defense attorneys subscribe to a code of ethics, not morals. And yes there is a big difference.
>>66645259
the prosecution was some jew woman and an AA nigger
I think they deliberately threw the case
The area was 25% black yet they ended up with 9/12 blacks on the jury
10 women too
But hey, who gives a shit, he killed a coal burner and a jew.
>>66644295
>Dude Juice Lmao
>>66646789
You can defend someone without lying.
Watch the show, have any of OJ's attorneys ever said aloud in court that he is absolutely innocent? Nope, and I bet they won't either.
>>66646789
Perjury is lying under oath, not lying in court.
>>66646901
>When Kris and I broke up, the Juice was there for me every night.
What did he mean by this?
>>66646904
>My client is innocent
>the LAPD framed him
>it's a race issue
All of those were lies.
>>66646476
https://www.quora.com/Should-you-admit-guilt-to-your-defense-attorney
>>66644427
every white man who isn't an ethnomasochistic cuck would have "nazi sympathies"
especially according to a jew
>>66644687
The original point of juries was to have your peers judging you
But that was made illegal/racist/discriminatory
Now you have a sham of the system with shitskins, immigrants, and women on juries.
>>66646871
thank you for the /pol/ angle on the whole case.
>>66646923
Lawyers are officers of the court and as such considered under oath at all times in court.
>why are no perjury cases brought against lawyers then?
They are, sometimes. Mostly they aren't because it would hamper the judiciary more than it helped.
>>66643631
hmm.. looking at the evidence there are only really 2 possibilities for what happened, along with the absolute fact that the LAPD both flummoxed up the fucking evidence at every turn, and then tried to frame OJ for the crime to compensate.
Was OJ innocent? Nope (or most likely not, like 80% most likely he did it) but that doesn't mean the LAPD doesn't frame guilty people, in fact they probably frame guilty people more than they do the innocent because of their fucked up sense of 'justice'.
There is a slim, slim, slim, chance that OJ is covering for his son who did the murders, but that's slim as shit, 20% possibility. At any rate OJ was involved.
but with the fucking police losing evidence, destroying evidence, and then obviously trying to frame the suspect - OJ (anyone who committed murder but the legal system tried to frame them to 'guarantee' a conviction) should have been acquitted.
Acquitting OJ was the right choice. Better a murderer go free than the travesty of justice hold. Imagine if the LAPD always got away with framing 'obviously' guilty people? Fuck that noise. There was no god damn UNTAINTED evidence, so fuck the trial and fuck the whole circus of the prosecution.
Still glad OJ lost the civil case and ended up in jail though.
Literally no one in America, including blacks, thinks he's actually innocent.
>>66647080
The verdict was given 20 years ago, he IS innocent.
>>66646975
I think Cochran really believed that. He spent a career going after crooks in the LAPD and as we saw last episode was subjected to discrimination himself.
>>66647129
I think he didn't care either way
OJ was a useful tool for his purpose, nothing more.
>>66647129
>and as we saw last episode
This show is 50% fiction
>>66647127
>The verdict was given 20 years ago, he IS not guilty.
FTFY
>>66647075
>Obviously guilty murderers need to be let go free to preserve the sanctity of "justice" system
Is this a joke?
>>66647231
So you think Cochran came to hate the LAPD with such a passion by pure coincidence?
Damn, this show makes me nostalgic. The 90s were comfy as fuck.
>>66647127
Not guilty and innocent are two different things
>>66647127
Ok excuse me, Mr. Lawyer. Let me rephrase.
Literally everyone in America, including blacks, thinks he killed her.
>>66646476
>for a defence lawyers to knowingly defend someone that has confessed a crime, it's perjury
Man, were you the dense one in school or what? Let's just convict 100% of people who get charged and let the cops be judge, jury, and executioner. It would be so terrible if anybody else got involved to look at evidence and adjudicate on whether or not the accused deserve to spend their lives in prison.
>>66644250
Its not that blacks are glad be killed 2 white people at all
Its the fact that is right after rodney king and even I wouldnt be surprised if at least SOME evidence was planted
I'll say one thing: after twenty years of CSI, Forensic Files, and every other crime show it's almost quaint to watch a case unfold in which DNA evidence was barely understood.
>>66647287
He's an idiotic nigger that didn't understand all his complaints came from forced integration of blacks.
If white cops weren't patrolling black neighborhoods, then they couldn't complain about "racism", now could they?
You gotta remember that black people don't have the same definition of racism as a white.
>>66647268
>Who cares about issues like due process, warrantless searches, and police misconduct? As long as I believe the guy is guilty, he should be locked up forever!
Is this a joke?
The guy wrote a book called if I did it. What ever color you are you gotta believe he fucking did it.
>>66647628
>I didn't kill them, BUT HERE'S HOW I WOULD HAVE DONE IF I DID *wink wink*
Jesus Christ how on earth is it even possible to defend this guy.
>>66647592
>Defense makes up baseless claims
>This means the police are corrupt & incompetent!
>>66647671
Because that's how a court system in the civilized world works. Everyone, even the guilty, deserve to have someone speak their case.
Juice has that magnetic personality. You can't help but like him. Part of me still believes in his innocence.
>>66643326
Most people assume he did it because that's the meme.
People who are paying attention all know his son did it.
>The Mayor of Brentwood
What did he mean by this?
>>66647746
I didn't mean the literal defense in court. I meant defend as in, making an argument for his innocence in casual conversations. It's impossible.
>>66647899
But the rational part of you realizes he's guilty, which is why you're not an idiot. Idiots will be completely blinded by charisma and disregard logic, just look at how much support Trump has.
Literally the meaning behind the social contract and rule of law means that OJ DID NOT DO IT even if he did it
NOT GUILTY
FAGGOT
SPELL IT I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T
>>66647268
hey man, if they're so fucking guilty it should be easy to convict them the right way. If you rely on vigilante justice or framing fuckers for other crimes, it's pretty clear innocent people are gunna get convicted and hunted down as well. It's fucking sloppy, it's bound to fuck up. You need your justice system squeaky clean so that you have the moral right to pass judgement, you need to be better than the people you condemn, especially when you were elected to UPHOLD the law, not exercise your own sense of poetic justice.
>>66647746
The modern court system is a joke & a mockery of justice
In specifics of the OJ simpson case
They moved the location of the trial from santa monica to downtown LA
then
>From an original jury pool of 40% white, 28% black, 17% Hispanic, and 15% Asian, the final jury for the trial had 10 women and two men, of which there were nine black people, two white people, and one Hispanic person.
Deliberately lost this case for whatever reason.
The idea that letting MURDERERS go free is a "civilized" thing is nonsense.
NORBERG INNOCENT
>>66648012
>The idea that letting MURDERERS go free is a "civilized" thing is nonsense.
And how do you decide that they're guilty without a fair trial?
>>66648012
Both sides approved that jury. Blame Marcia for thinking black women would believe her.
And shit, if you think the prosecution has fucked up just you wait until cross examination. The prosecution fucks up DNA evidence. That's not the system's fault.
Some people like to blame the shitty system for this case but it really wasn't. It was 100% the fault of a fucking fucking fucking shitty prosecution.
>>66643326
Even if he wasn't innocent. He was cucked by his wife and a jew. I would have done the same
>>66647969
Not guilty isn't the same as innocent.
>>66647628
(if) I DID IT
was the title
it was basically OJ gloating about getting away with it
>>66648276
There is no distinction once the verdict has been given.
You are autism.
>>66648004
And what happens when the jewish prosecutor deliberately throws the case? You think the "civilized" thing is to let some thug murderer go free?
Upholding the law involves punishing a murderer for his crimes
Not a charade of a modern court system which outrageously wastes time & money.
You ignore that he was caught red handed trying to flee the state.
Vigilante justice was ended because it worked, that was the intolerable offense.
Sounds like you are actually defending the modern court system
>>66648387
9 black women thinking a black man didn't kill a white man and a jewish man doesn't make that black man "innocent"
Connie Britton looked very fuckable in that episode she was in.
>>66647728
the defense? who cares? the prosecution and the LAPD were doing SHADY SHIT. That's a fucking showtrial, a fucking circus.
>>66648390
>Vigilante justice was ended because it worked
Except when it didn't.
>look mam we're sorry we bashed your husband's head in and then found out he didn't do it but what can you do, this is the best possible system
>>66648662
No they weren't
The defense were just flagrantly lying about everything
The only "showtrial" part is that the prosecutors didn't want to win.
>>66648819
>Thinks a jury system is meaningfully different to "vigilante" justice
>Thinks that false convictions weren't the norm before modern technologies & investigative techniques
>>66646936
He was gay for Juice, that's why his daughters are degenerate coalburners.
>>66648925
>the prosecutors didn't want to win.
I'm sure they spent $15 million dollars trying to lose.
>>66648988
?
Everyone involved still gets their paycheck, whats your point idiot, they aren't spending THEIR money
>>66648925
>Thinks a jury system is meaningfully different to "vigilante" justice
No I already said earlier in the thread that the jury system actually fucking sucks, here >>66644687
But so does going full The Punisher.
>Thinks that false convictions weren't the norm before modern technologies & investigative techniques
We have no meaningful data on the subject but can reasonably assume the rate was higher, yes. The problem is that what you're proposing doesn't fix the issue and in fact makes it worse.
>>66649058
The issue is that the whole purpose of the jury has been lost/forgotten/made illegal
So now things are just a shitshow
Is it justice that is important? Or is the charade of a "morally superior system"?
>>66643326
the thing a i don't understand is why did he become a thief if he was rich and the goverment didn't took his money after the civil trial?