ITT: How we could have improved Star Wars 7
paul dano as finn
>>65085505
CUTE
w-what?!
>>65085505
damn, she looks like shit
Daisy is better
> tfw no operator
>tfw Sersh could have been Rey
>>65085505
>meme actress
>>65085505
Have rey actually struggle a bit.
that would make her a bit more relatable at least.
Cut out the entire, "instantly know how to trick engineer the milineum falcon" garbage out... that part was wince inducingly bad.
>>65085635
good thing she wasn't
would have had to put up with finn and end up in the worst star wars movie
OPERATOR REDDITORS ON THE HORIZON WE NEED DUBS ASAP
>>65085505
>ITT: How we could have improved Star Wars 7
Turned the story into the new trilogy. It was far, far, far too fucking rushed. They tried to fit way too much in. It left no room for character development and understanding their motivations. So instead we get a bunch of people we don't care about getting into coincidental and lucky situations.
>>65085505
>Kylo Ren only takes his mask off to face Han
>Have Phasma do things or not appear at all
>Hux is an older guy, cast someone more intimidating as him
>Starkiller only stops being operational or it doesn't appear at all
>No shitty CGI, have all creatures be practical effects even if they look corny
>No Maz, have someone like Lando Calrissian give Rey the lightsaber, it would have made more sense
Base to operator, we have activated dubs. Please standby.
>Luke Skywalker should have been turned into a washed out jedi with faltering abilities that do not start to return until he begins sexing the apprentice he begrudgingly agreed to tutor, Rey.
>Kylo Ren is witness to this, and he's jealous. So he betrays the Jedi.
>Han Solo and Wookie executed by Hutts unceremoniously.
>Millienium Falcon scrapped
It would have won art leaves and Oscar
>>65085830
Dubs standing by
>>65085807
All of this. Fuck, Lando would have been genius.
>>65085505
>implying a frog could survive on a desert planet
>>65085505
lmfao shes literally ten times uglier i dont care how good her feet are that face is gross
>>65085807
>Kylo Ren only takes his mask off to face Han
Sure why not
>Have Phasma do things or not appear at all
Completely agree, all that hype and she didn't do shit
>Hux is an older guy
I'm okay with the actor, he's around the same age as Driver so it feels like they're the same status which I like
>Starkiller only stops being operational or it doesn't appear at all
Just don't include it at all, Starkiller was a retarded idea
>No shitty CGI
I thought the CGI was good
>No Maz, have someone like Lando give Rey the lightsaber
That would've been amazing, it would've forgiven almost all of TFA's mistakes
>>65085505
Remove Rey
Phasma is male
Replace TR-8R with Phasma
Finn is white
Ren is intentionally played up to be a whiny faggot and has a nerfed power level (SNL Ren)
Ren isn't Han Solo's kid
First Order isn't First Order, it's the Empire Remnant
No "Resistance", The Republic actually has an army
No Deather Star
Scrap everything and start over instead of just remaking Ep 4 like an uncreative hack
Protagonist is Finn, a white male.
Sidekick is Rey, an Asian female.
Would have still got the lol so progressive and would have made money in China because they're all cuck'd by the white man.
Also the Poe and Finn shit would have been cute, not gross.
Oh and Finn tries to fight off Kylo but gets btfo and has to get saved by Han, who dies in the process.
>>65085505
JJ should have cast Elle
>>65087236
>implying the chinese want to see asian american actors
Just stop right there pigskin, don't embarrass yourself
Make Starkiller a different kind of weapon, and not Death Star #3.
It should have taken longer for Finn to go from
>I can't be a stormtropper because violence is bad
to
>pew pew I'm gonna kill dozens of people that I grew up with with this TIE fighter lazor
Make the arc longer, maybe the first time he fights is in defense @ the TR8-0R fight, but doesn't kill the guy. Then he finally is able to fight at the end for a cause (to save his friend)
Recast bongoyga. Doesn't have to be white just not so ugly
They don't steal the Millennium falcon they steal some other ship and stop at the cantina to repair it
Have Solo first appear at the Cantina and finds Luke's lightsaber in the Millennium falcon
>>65085705
>>65085830
Is OPERATOR new maymay that I'm not aware of???
'Cause it's operative. You uneducated plebs.
>>65085505
>no cgi Snoke
>Snoke's name not being snoke
>no shoehorned godawful cgi female Yoda wannabe
>no rushed Han death
>better Han death
>more struggle and development in Rey's OP force sensitivity
>more emotion and expanse on those planets getting rekt
>completely omit the freighter/kangiclub scene
>Rey and Luke's encounter is 15 seconds at most before cutting into the credits
>no helicopter shot
We only need a Emma Rey if she has a barefoot scene.
All of this >>65085807
plus
>New original ship designs, influenced by Xwings, TIEs, and Star Destroyers but not exact copies
>Either recast Finn, or use less shots of him making his ugly gorilla faces (his acting is actually fine)
>More Rey scavenging screentime
>Rey doesn't know more about the Falcon than Han
>Rey can't somehow use a Jedi mind trick on her first try
>Kylo is winning the fight against Rey when they are split up
>No Carrie Fisher
>Use Snoke less to keep the mystique
>Explain why the Imperial Remnant is more powerful than the good guys in this area
Or if they really wanted to make me happy
>Sheev is alive and is the main character played by Ian Mcdiarmid
>>65087547
>I can't be a stormtropper because violence is bad
>pew pew I'm gonna kill dozens of people that I grew up with with this TIE fighter lazor
Typical nigger behaviour then.
>>65085505
not paid to see, now look at what we're grtting
Unshaved pits on Rey and/or other female characters.
>>65087610
#bringbackgeorge
lando give lightsaber to rey
finn learns that lando is his father
did they even ask the guy if he wanted to come back or did they not even write him in the script
Daisy >> frogbitch
Daisy >> potatoslut
>>65087601
OPERATOR has been a meme for years dumbass
>>65087547
That wasn't the reason, it was holy shit people are dying, I don't wanna die. Not shooting the prisoners was because he wasn't bad. He was escaping because he didn't wanna be reconditioned.
He's was coward and is running away for most of the film.
>>65085505
>needed more force ghost younglings
they got 1 out of 3 right
>>65087450
At least have the decency to not just reverse the syllables of "deathstar."
>>65087771
>for years
I have been here for two and haven't seen it used.
>>65087610
>more struggle and development in Rey's OP force sensitivity
That tickled my autism. All that training Luke went through and some fucking failed stormtrooper is efficiently using a lightsaber he picked up.
make Adam Driver suck Hux's cock
>>65087979
Luke never actually trained for duels though the closest thing was that little orb that kept shooting shit at him
>>65085505
getting a hot woman that can actually act well for MaREY sue would've been a start, like pic related
>>65085635
She's too good for SW
>>65085691
but that was okay for Luke and Anikan to do, right?
>people still complaining that Rey was a Mary Sue when Anakin already set the bar sky-high in space wizard universe
smcuckedhead
I think that episode 7 was totally fine aside from star killer base. It did however, set the sequels up in a bad direction.
The lack of new sip designs and characteristics differentiating it from the original trilogy was the worst part of the movie for me, but we have yet to actually see any New Republic ships and technology. We have only seen First Order and Resistance tech, which would make sense that they don't have much new technology because they are just smaller versions of the rebellion and the empire. They aren't actually new fractions like the New Republic is.
Basically they have a huge opportunity to fix the biggest mistake in episode 8. Weather or not they do it, we will just have to wait and see.
>>65088368
>yfw the First Order is actually a small group compared to the fraction that they are loyal to,The Knights of Ren
>>65088294
This
>can build/fix anything
>is a podracing god
>didn't know shit about piloting a spaceship and took down the federation control ship in his first try
>jumps into oncoming traffic for fun and unscathed
>commits genocide against space Arabs without a single scratch on him while 1v1
>Literally gets revenge on innocent masterswordsman after leveling up 344 midichlorian points
>Can land greivous' ship perfectly in front of Sheev's office
>assisted murder of best jedi swordsman in town before he gets thrown out a window
>gets to force pump his seed into a queen
>gets to go to Jedi heaven after murdering younglings and a handful of other implied Jedi slaughters
>>65085505
>Less action, more slow scenes.
>Utilize Raid Actors more to their strengths
>Have Luke speak one line for the hype
>Take time to develop characters
>More scenes on Jakku
>Original Content. Something that'll be new but also affect the story.
>Make Rey Struggle
>More Han solo/Kylo Ren connections
>Show Finn's conflicted feelings on the First Order/Resistance
>Explain Poe Dameron
>>65085505
>KStew as Rey
definitely less stupid action and more drama/personal character development. flying ships around all the time is pointless if you didn't make other crucial developments
like i watched the whole movie and still am not sure who is rey truly as a character and if finn is a coward, annoying teen with a stupid crush or just a comic relief
>>65088294
yeah but TPM was so bad that's the least we should worry about
>>65088721
>>65088294
Yeah, but I was five then and unable to look past the cool explosions and formulate complaints on this nonexistant website.
>>65089335
>TPM released in 1999 in may
>you are 16 at most
M O D S
>>65089541
>born in 1994
>in 1999 I was five for TPM
>I am now 21
What the fuck?
>>65089594
nice try giddo
More Grand Emperor Snooki
>>65089607
If I were 16 then I would be as old as TPM. How would I have seen it when I was five?
>>65085887
one off of trips familia :(
>>65087136
>Phasma is male
Literally what difference would this make
>>65089541
thats literally wrong
>>65088247
luke is a trained pilot, he flies T-16's which have 1:1 identical controls to an x-wing
I don't hold the prequels as a standard for good writing
>>65089736
Hush bro. let anon project his hatred towards grills. He's still upset over being stood up by Suzie at the middleschool dance.
>>65089811
correction: not 1:1 identical, but similar enough for pilots to easily adapt
Get rid of the Little Shop of Horrors monsters.
Stupid and pointless.
>>65087136
>No "Resistance", The Republic actually has an army
Oh yeah, holy fucking shit, The FUCKING Republick doesn't have a fucking army bro, my god Star Wars is fucking retard.
>>65085505
A main character who actually has faults that they overcome rather than, one that starts out already perfect.
>>65085807
TFA is a 8.5/10
This would have made it complete 10/10
>>65085505
>a large star fleet instead of deathstar 3 and the first order win in this movie with some kind of bombing campaign
>rey isnt a mary sue
>finn is more then comedic relief after he meets ray
>kylo and rey have a stale mate at the end at the most
>REMOVE ALL QUIPPY DIALOGUE AND FAN SERVICE
>captain phasma isnt weird and shiny, brushed steel look would be better
>storm troopers guns dont look like white nerf guns
>change the planet settings from generic video game multiplayer desert, snow and forest levels.
>>65087979
You must of pissed yourself at Han using Luke's saber in Episode V.
>>65085505
Too many Mary sue moments. I know shes supposed to be the main character, but dont sideline Finn and the other characters just to shiwcase her as the most talented woman in the galaxy.
Yes, Luke definitely has his Gary Stu moments, and Anakin does too, but they were mainly useless or werent perfect when they tried. Rey literally had all the skills in the world to drive the movie.
Like, if you overpower her, then all of the rest of her moments will be dull in comparison. Piloted the falcon, fixed the falcon, knew the falcon, knew the controls, learned the force through visions, overpowered a trained force user, AND defeated a trained lightsaber user? Take away a few of those aspects and spread em to other characters, and you'll have a chaeacter that you wonder about. She could be a luke type of character, where you see his potential rising in later movies, but dont see all of his feats. But all of her skills are shoved down your throat in one movie, so itll be no surprise or tension in the later movies.
Hell, itll be a nightmare when SHE DOESNT display the same skills in the next 2(??? Dont know if theyre still making a trilogy) movies just in response to criticism.
Basically, she is too much of a mary sue to be seen as a relatable or a strong character, just a tool for advancing the plot. And the future movies will be memes if they dont stay consistent with her power and skill levels in the same movies just to appease to the complainers like many of us on the board.
>cut out rey insta-learning the jedi mind control, finn and han and chewie save her
>have rey be btfo by kylo ren in the final fight, but her final hail mary force outburst separates the earth between them and rey escapes
>have finn fight off years of conditioning with him being basically a child soldier, have him be resistant to killing his fellow first order troopers
>more poe, don't get rid of him then have him miraculously come back in the end of the second act, have him go with finn as they look for a way to contact the resistance in jakku (his comm gets destroyed in the crash landing)
>cut out the monster chase
>get rid of that stupid helicopter shot
these are just the really cosmetic stuff, I would've wanted to remove the knockoff cantina scene and the third death star but that would've changed the story too much.
>>65090299
kylo in the next movie will have to fuck rey up with all this strength he got from being angry from losing against her
I hope they dont turn him into vegita where he doesnt have a single victory
>>65090299
Also to add my point, I would take out her various Mary Sue moments and leave her as the opportunal savior or specialist type of character. Right now she has too many skills for a scavenger from an isolated desert planet town.
They'll need a lot of memes, flashbacks, and CANON material to explain her BS powers and skills.
Finn is a loyal stormtrooper, but he unknowingly helped Poe escape (like Poe got help from the inside by a Resistance agent), and he's labelled as a traitor by the First Order. He's then forced to cooperate with people he thinks as traitors to the galaxy (Poe, Rey, Han), mirroring his own experience as a percieved traitor.
His whole story is trying to decieve Rey in order to gain the Resistance trust and betray them to earn back his return in the First Order, but as the story progress he understands that there is a different perspective that what the First Order fed him since he was a kid. In the end he grows attached to Rey and Han while the First Order only taught him about respect and authority. He understands he's been on the wrong side all along, and this climax when he finally reveals to Han the codes to disactivate the shields, which he knew all along.
With Rey it's kind of the same thing. She's been left alone for a long time, and she grew up a bit selfish and distrustful, which are mandatory traits on a planet such as Tat- Jakku in order to survive.
When she get offered rations for BB8, instead of flat-out refusing, she tries to bargain for more (which is met with refusal). She doesn't trust Han (why would she?), and doesn't care all that much for Finn when he says he want to leave.
She appears much more cold, and the only time she really opens up is when leaving Finn at the Resistance's base at the end, because she understood that opening yourself and trusting others could be a strenght, and not a weakness.
As for the details, I would have make Rey lose the fight against Kylo, have Phasma kick Finn's ass instead of TR-8R, ditch Poe and Finn forced bromance, and have this weird Han's freighter scene replaced by a scene of character development. An exposition scene about the state of the galaxy between First Order, Republic, Resistance etc would have been nice too.
They could have redone the entire movie tbqh.
>le it was a homage meme
Bullshit, for a universe as expansive as Star Wars (even w/o the EU that disney has said isn't cannon) did we really need ANOTHER desert planet, or ANOTHER death star?
How people rate this movie as an A, a 10/10 or w/e the fuck, is beyond me.
>>65090366
why did they even say they were taken at childhood
its just stupid
>but dey more eeeebbbiill that way
chief from halo was indoctrinated from birth and it took how long to display even the slightest bit of humanity?
>>65085505
Paint Hux blue and watch all the old EU fans lose their shit.
Kill everyone.
>>65085505
More character arcs. It was all REY REY REY. Hell, luke barely got a development arc in star wars(new hope). Focus on the other interesting mew characters or youll be forced to develop them in the later movies, which will halt the progression of the story.
>>65090497
it was pretty short sighted of them, they could have committed to finn being a repentant bad guy, or have him be rebellious against orders from the start. he basically grew up with the bad guys but somehow seeing just one of his buddies die in battle and he has instantly seen the light?
>>65085523
Classic idea
>>65089917
>3 years of Clone Wars
>19 years of a hyper-militarized Empire waging ceaseless war on separatist remnants and local revolts.
>3 more years of full-on Galactic Civil War vs the Rebel Alliance.
>1 year of the New Republic hunting down the remnants of the Empire before the final battle on Jakku.
I think the Republic wanting to disarm after 26 years of goddamn endless warfare is totally justified.
>>65090797
>disarming themselves when they know the first order is around the corner
>>65090366
oh, and more world building/exposition of what happened to the star wars universe (politics and such) after the empire has dissolved. but not go overboard like how lucas did with the prequels.
They could have explained why Rey is so proficient at stuff. You shouldn't have to read the visual dictionary to understand how she got good at certain things.
>>65090861
>ie destroying the death star and empire cause galexy wide economic collapse and now gangs rule everything and galexy is sectioned off by different factions
would have been way better
>>65090869
but goy then you wouldnt buy our books to know things that should be in the movie would you?
>implying any of the actress' mentioned in this thread would have signed on if Disney told them it only pays 300k up front + .5 % in gross revenue of the film after everyone else recoups from their investment (Boyega got the same deal as well).
>>65090833
The Republic had their disarmament policy in effect for some 30 years since the battle of Jakku.They weren't going to change that just because of some backwater Imperial Remnant. No one knew they had another planet sized laser-ball up their sleeve because nobody thought that they had the resources to pull it off, and no one thought they would be dumb enough to try it for a 3rd time.
>>65090797
You said yourself bro, they live in a galaxy with endless warfare where the sith are a constant threat, why wouldn't they have a army?
>>65090869
is it so hard to understand she most likely trained with luke at his academy before ren destroyed it? not to mention she's probably his daughter and therefore is overflowing with jedi power bruh. if you can't think that, then just wait for episode 8 where they'll probably reveal what i've posted.
>>65090980
I don't think there was a conscious effort there. Clearly stuff is left open to push books but not establishing Rey's character was a huge oversight and proves JJ is a hack.
>>65088247
Anakin was a prodigy and he had been doing it since he was a kid.
Luke kept flying his T-16 so they arent mary sues.
Unlike Mary Rey.
>>65091052
they dont need to establish reys character cause shes perfect female warrior hero and if you say otherwise youre just sexist
>>65085505
DELETE THIS
>>65091046
That's not what I'm talking about. They could have mentioned she spent time on the Falcon and learned languages on an old rebellion computer. They did a terrible job of establishing her character. I'm fully aware her distant past will be explained at some point.
>>65091024
There was 1000 years of peace and the Old Republic didn't need a standing army until Sheev fucked errything. As far as everyone knew, the Sith were defeated at the end of RotJ.
Its just another case of the Republic being dumb and short sighted, but I at least understand the reasoning behind it.
>>65091124
How many languages did she learn anon? Pretty convenient that out of the +6 million languages she choses wookie.
>>65091162
At least we can agree that the Republic is dumb and short sighted
Was Emma actually auditioned for the part of Rey? That would have been Godly.
>>65091207
I don't know. This movie is dumb and I hope Rian fixes it. Maybe she picked to learn Wookiee because she was raised around one and subconsciously knows that. I hope Rian unfucks this franchises shit up.
>>65091090hello?
>>65091046
>not to mention she's probably his daughter
I'm glad someone else is picking up on this. It's going to feel nice to call this one from several movies away.
>>65085505
>Ben is not force sensitive, but an engineer prodigy
>uncle Luke refuses to/cannot train him, gets pissed, runs off
>trains the living shit out of himself, practicing melee combat all honoraru dueru samurai style, he's competent but no Jedi
>probably has scars / a fucked up face after years of trial and error brawling with the scum of the galaxy
>builds the junk saber solely on the basis of being a pretty good tinkerer
>his force powers are all gadget generated fakes (freezing the lazer blast midair, basic and shitty telekinesis, faux force lightning, etc)
>obsessed and collects old sith artifacts, can't use / understand them for shit though
so basically he's all smoke and mirrors
>>65091124
There are lots of odd aliens in Jakku, it's not unfeasible that some of them could be Wookiees and Rey learned the language from dealing with them.
The stunt flying is BS though.
>>65091124
again, it will get explained in episode 8 (although it can be inferred since she was raised as a 'scavenger' looking for very specific parts of quality ships like SSDs, etc. that she must have learned that trade growing up...i mean what else is there to do on jakku?).
you guys act like a new hope explained everything from the get-go.
>>65085505
MORE BBC!
>>65091341
My 76 year old grandma called it and so did everyone else. The story is about the Skywalkers and Kylo can't be the only one in this generation.
>>65090491
Would have made TFA arguably the best Star Wars.
>>65091341
well that was pretty heavily implied in TFA, and the reveal is not several movies away...it will be revealed in ep 8. luke isn't gonna train her only to pretend he's not her father, come on guys.
my bet is rey and luke are skywalkers, will fight ren and snoke (or del toro, snoke will probably be saved for ep 9) and luke will die, rey inherits the green saber (my favorite) and in 9 takes down snoke (with the possible 'redemption' of ren if he doesn't die in 8 and helps rey kill snoke while simultaneously dying as a sacrifice to killing his father). pretty much typical star wars beats, still looking forward to it though.
it would be awesome if there were no more death stars or 'death planets', buuuut i won't hold my breath on that one.
>>65090491
I might have actually enjoyed this movie.
>>65091525
Rey is gonna fight like Darth Maul though
>>65089890
>>65089811
meh.
most starfighters use flight yokes, making transitioning very easy.
>in the now non-cannon EU, only one pilot used a stick fwiw
the only issue at this point is essentially knowing how to turn it on and make it go, which too, is easy to figure out since they all use similar throttle controls
the point still stands that Luke is NOT a Mary Sue
>>65085505
start afresh with a cast of people who we know and who can act.
>>65087639
He didn't want to kill innocents, remember when he was ordered to kill the villagers but didn't shoot? He realised the First Order was evil.
How the fuck is the GOVERNING BODY OVER THE ENTIRE FUCKING GALAXY still on the ropes against a defunct imperial navy?
Daisy Ridley looks better than any whore posted in this thread
>>65090394
nah, they will continue to play zone and just mirror ESB.
she will run off (just like luke) to rescue the nigger, fight Kylo, lose a body part, and go off again to finish her training.
>>65087967
lurk moar newfag
>>65091780
The Republic isn't the whole galaxy though
>>65091799
Great job, faggot.
>>65091690
because of her staff? its too long to be a double bladed light saber, unless it turns out she can remove the middle part and connect the ends, then it'd make sense. i would actually be cool with her wielding a double bladed saber.
>>65090491
This would have been much better desu
>>65091862
the republic is the majority of the galaxy though.
which still does not asspull away why the Republic maintains a skeleton military.
>>65091728
>the only issue at this point is essentially knowing how to turn it on and make it go
so you're perfectly fine with a kid destroying the separatist fleet in episode 1 despite never having flown a starfighter, while showing up the trained adult naboo pilots, since those ships are now essentially a plug and play video game?
>>65085505
desu senpai
Pic related.
>>65091999
>using the prequels to make your argument
but to answer your question, no. it is not okay.
>>65092388
prequels are canon despite being shit
if you're not fine with it, then you agree that piloting starfighters need actual knowledge and training, not something rey can pull out of her ass because it's 'easy to figure out anyway'
I don't even know why you're arguing this point, since what's implied in it is that rey knows how to pilot at least one starfighter to be able to know how to pilot all of it, which given what we've seen, she does not
>>65085505
I really want to get Emma Stone drunk and have rough sex with her. I'd have my finger inside her asshole AT ALL TIMES. Even when I'm fucking her ass...and her throat? Let's just say her voice isn't getting any softer
>>65092561
and it's a hypothetical example anyway
>>65088294
>>65088721
If you two didn't have extra chromosomes you'd know people were complaining about him back in 99-05 as well.
remove rey and finn
B-bump.
>>65092561
i think we are on the same side, but for some reason your faggotry makes you want to pick internet fights with everyone.
Rey is a mary sue
Rey should NOT be able to pilot the Falcon on the first go
the Falcon is NOT a starfighter and as such, its controls are vastly different. (just because you can steer a RIB does not mean you can pilot a freighter)
there was no argument i was making. i was simply adding to the fact that Luke would have no problem piloting any other small craft due to the similarities to the T-16
the
>turn it on and make it go
statement applied to Luke, given his familiarity with small craft.
Luke is not a Mary Sue. He's a developing character with tons of potential, but he's clearly not ready to be a hero from the word 'go'
- Is an outcast on his home planet: an awkward orphan who is too callow to defy his aunt and uncle because they need him for another season of moisture vaporation.
- Is not respected by a trash can robot.
- Gets BTFO by a sandperson and must be bailed out by Obi-Wan Kenobi.
- Is too autistic to understand he's being threatened in the cantina, again is bailed out by Obi-Wan.
- Can't hit the broadside of a barn in the Falcon at first. Solo shoots Tie Fighter after Tie Fighter, and when Luke finally hits when he squeals with glee. Han then alphas him.
- Humiliated in front of the group by Chewbacca at the chess table.
- Emasculated by his own sister for being a 5′ 9″ manlet.
- Almost killed by a tentacle monster in a trash compactor. Barely frees himself. Cries.
- Generally relies on the help of more seasoned fighters (Han and Chewie) to help him throughout the Death Star sequence.
- By a stroke of luck (or fate?) he pilots a ship in a trench that resembles a canyon back home. He's the only one with the requisite experience to make it through the trench. His galactic redneck past of bullseye-ing womp rats comes in handy, and The Obi-Wan guides him as well.
>>65093952
this
>>65093952
this faggot gets it.
>>65085505
Danny devito as kylo ren.
>>65094650
>troll foot is Snoke.
>>65094414
>>65094617
You know you can just upvote and move on if you agree with something, right? You don't need to post a bullshit comment that doesn't add to the thread.
>>65085635
Sorry mate, she has 0 charisma.
>>65085505
>no Kylo Ren
>zombie siths and jedis as the new menace
>Old Luke Skywalker as the new Jedi Master from an entire new generation of jedis
>no feminism/tumblr pandering
If it was like the new Rocky Balboa movie it could be a lot better too.
She's cute. CUTE.
>>65087357
She's too busy doing Based shit with Refn like Semen Demon
>>65085705
>>65093952
That and the fact that he would have just been shot down had Han not came in at the last minute.
And that's just the first movie. That's not even going into ESB, where he:
-Gets knocked unconscious and gets stuck in an ice cave by what is basically a marginally intelligent yeti.
-has to be rescued by Han again
-acts arrogant and condescending to Yoda when he first meets him, proving Yoda's point over and over that he's impatient.
-ignores Yoda and Obi-Wan's warnings about attempting to rescue his friends (who manage to rescue themselves without his intervention) and loses his hand for his troubles
Rey is seriously lacking in room to grow as a character in the next films.
>>65085618
This meme is stale on arrival
>>65088247
Luke was not a terrific pilot. He was good because of the reasons that the other anons put forward (T-16 and wamp rats), but he was never a 'prodigy'. He certainly couldn't jump into the Falcon and know everything there is to know about it. In fact, his persistence to help Han in A New Hope was received with hostility by its real pilot.
I seriously don't understand why people think Luke is some sort of perfect Gary Stu when he spent more time struggling and failing in the films than winning.
>>65085691
There's no reason that Poe could not have accompanied Finn when they he met Rey, leading to all three of them escaping.
Because we've already set Poe up as a great pilot himself, he could have piloted the Falcon instead of Rey. Poe in general should have been given a much more leading role, and I consider his disappearance to be one of the film's greatest mistakes to deliver on potential, alongside the Phasma debacle.
>>65085505
Not watching the death star get blown up for the third time
>>65085505
Not having a mary sue as the main character. Not ripping off ANH, and feeling like a real star wars movie instead of a fan film. Not having a character worse than jar jar with Finn. Having Luke appear halfway through the film so we can have all the old crew back together. Not killing off Han Solo. Not having the villain being a whiney bitch.
>>65098875
>here's no reason that Poe could not have accompanied Finn when they he met Rey, leading to all three of them escaping.
>Because we've already set Poe up as a great pilot himself, he could have piloted the Falcon instead of Rey.
Jesus, this would fix a lot of issues.
>>65085807
>>No shitty CGI, have all creatures be practical effects even if they look corny
The problem was that the two main alien characters, Maz and Snoke, were both horribly animated.
Replace Rey with Sy Snootles.
>replace nigger with good non-nigger actor
>more Poe
>more Phasma
>no yellow yoda, or just have her be a background character instead of Han's old buddy
>make Rei have flaws and be bad at things at first
>explain why Rei would be an ace pilot despite being a poor ass scavenger all her life
>cut back a bit on the edge so Kylo seems less like a teenager obsessed with coldsteel the hegehog
>>65099438
Maz was not that bad.
>replace finn with poe after the TIE fight crash
>make rey into a character by having her make a choice
>make it so starkiller base is disabled not destroyed
>have rey defeat kylo because of her being able to reverse his force freeze slightly instead of using the lightsaber
>>65099690
Gay.
>>65085505
Use Georges ideas instead of the cinematic anti-christ known as Jar Jar Abrams
By not letting it happen.
>>65085505
Star wars 7 was one of the longest, most expensive trailers I ever saw. I got me more excited for episode 8.
First thing to change is to completely cut the tentacle rape Monsters out and slow the pace down a bit for that scene, we just had an action packed escape. Just have Han and Chewie in that area of space specifically because they are looking for the falcon and following a lead.
Have Rhey still one up Kylo but after she is at least tortured a bit. And have Kylo actually get the info they need to find luke from her.
Instead of Star Killer base aiming for the resistance have it now aim for the world Luke is on, (also have the TFO in possesion of the rest of the map.) This would have made a lot of people give more of a shit.
Have Rhey escape by either:
a. Yelling at Daniel Craig though anguish (fear and Anger) to accidentally perform a mind trick through raw emotion. This way its instinctual and gives the audience an oh shit! she has force powers. It can also give us a bit more drama during the Kylo/rhey fight.
B. Have her somehow pull some escape shit that involves skills from her salvaging. (like maybe Ren damages the restraints during information extraction)
We don't find out Kylo Ren is Ben Solo until Han confronts him. This would have given us a "Han, you ballsy fucker why are you just walking up to him moment, before the reveal. (which given the setting would have given us poetry.)
GIVE CHEWIE A FUCKING HUG LEIA.
We establish that Rey is gifted in the Force from beginning:
>She has a moment when she returns to her AT-AT home where instead of gazing up at a space ship taking off, she trains her telekinetic abilities by clumsily moving some scrap around. She tells BB-8 that one day, she's going to master her 'power' (she doesn't know about The Force, or much about the rest of the galaxy for that matter, and believes that she is special) and take over the scavenging town. That way, she'll "have as many rations as she wants". She's young, naive and lacking in moral guidance - she's grown up in a society run by solely materialistic exchange.
>Despite her innate ability, we show that she's still undertrained without a master - when the thugs attack her, she tries to blast one with her telekinesis and her only staggers before renewing his assault. She is NOT skilled in hand to hand combat and is saved by Finnand Poe. Rey remains optimistic that her powers will become better.
>Poe pilots the Falcon, because it's already been established that Poe is a terrific pilot, and to have two of those in the same movie is crowding and unnecessary.
>When Rey first meets Kylo Ren, he Force freezes her in much the same way as he did in the film. Rey is horrified to find someone else capable of the same superhuman feats she is. Not only that, but his powers are so incredibly beyond her own that the encounter leaves her terrified of him. She freezes up in fear the next time that she meets him and loses confidence when she realises that what she thought made her special is shared by others greater than her.
Having Rey trump Ren in all Force contests was belittling to Ren's original premise - a Force-gifted but emotionally unstable student capable of great destruction. In the film we watched, he was just a punk throwing tantrums. At least this way the audience knows that he has power behind his rage.
>>65089541
Are you a Common core student?
>>65100976
>Rey's struggle at the movie's climax is to defeat her fear and take up arms against Ren using Luke's lightsabre.
>Initially, Rey will not budge from her paralysis, and Finn rises to fight Ren. He gets schooled in much the same way as he did, but his imminent death forces Rey to take action.
>Ren, confident that he's still years of training in advance of Rey, goes to Force grab Luke's fallen lightsabre - however, he's met with resistance from Rey trying the same.
>Ren screams that she's pathetic and will never perfect her skills.
>THIS is the moment to have her inner meditation and Force awakening, the way she did in the film. Only this time, it's not in the heat of battle.
>Her victory is summoning the Force to rip the lightsabre into her hands. She does not ignite it.
>Her victory is beating her fear and taking the first step on the road to being strong enough to fight and win against Kylo Ren.
>Ren leaves in anger, maybe he and Phasma take Finn with them as a prisoner.
>There is NO fight because we don't need one. We have adequate character development and the audience knows that Rey as she is has no chance and needs to take time to train.
>>65090833
The republic didn't disarm. They had a standing army and Navy. Which if you were paying attention (or if Jar Jar Abrams knew how to convey shit better) you would know Star Killer base BTFO.
>>we will never have a 'Tales of the Jedi Trilogy' starring Emily Blunt of Nomi SunRider
>>65101203
Why would the entire army and navy be in one system.
That's like sticking the entire US Navy in Norfolk and the army 30 miles away.
>>65101568
You're right only complete idiots would station the vast majority of their naval power in one port, I mean any other power could just suprise attack them...wait The United States did exactly that,
>>65101568
Pretty sure if your army travels through space, you have them close by the ships.
>>65101568
The Roman republic actually did that and didn't change it until it became an empire. ALLEGORY
>>65101709
Except they didn't, and they went on to BTFO the japs with the carriers that weren't at Pearl Harbor.
>>65101709
Except that was just the US pacific fleet, whose carriers weren't even there. And the US immediately came back and smashed the Jap navy about half a year later. Reference history only if you're familiar with it.
Why was this movie so fucking bad?
Honestly, this movie was worse than 1-3 COMBINED
If Rey had shown any weakness at any point during the movie instead of being fucking space Jesus it would have been great. I also would have liked for Finn to be socially out of touch, and incredibly awkward/robotic/autistic, which I think would make sense for a character raised as a stormtrooper since early childhood. He was a bit awkward but still way too smooth for someone with his background.
>>65085505
Cancellation
>>65101709
>i have no idea what i am talking about
>this makes me an expert on that thing
Dude who even watches this crap series any more.
>>65103113
Millions of people.
>>65101750
wrong.
the Navy takes care of its own ships.
in no way does the Army provide any security for the fleet.
>>65103113
>all these random normies asking me if i was hyped for star wars
george lucas couldnt even make good star wars movies a decade ago, why woul jj abrahms be any better
>>65085807
>>Kylo Ren only takes his mask off to face Han
I liked the early reveal
>>Have Phasma do things or not appear at all
She could have been tr8r-stormtrooper, I'm pretty sure that was the original plan anyways but then Disney went 'but we can sell twice the amount of toys this way'
>>Hux is an older guy, cast someone more intimidating as him
>Starkiller only stops being operational or it doesn't appear at all
Yes
>>No shitty CGI, have all creatures be practical effects even if they look corny
Only that smuggler gnome and Snoke really bothered me
>>65103131
I know how that feels. Everyone I work with wouldn't shut up about it. Then they come up to me and ask why I haven't seen it yet and telling me its amazing. Then I go and see it and its pretty much exactly as mediocre as I expected.
Not to mention, I don't even know where they could go from Episode 7.
I mean, fuck. Where do you go froma moon turned death star that eats suns to blow up entire solar systems?There is no "bigger threat".
Not to mention, by the end of the movie Kylo Ren seemed like a complete bitch. Like, Vader seemed fucking unstoppable until near the end of Episode 6. Ren was basically a whiny bitch with an inferiority complex that gets his shit pushed in by MULTIPLE PEOPLE. How is he even going to be intimidating in later movies?
I feel bad for whoever has to salvage Episode 8.
Plenty of stuff mentioned itt, but if I could change only one small detail, I would've just replaced the yellow Yoda with Leia. Skip the whole pirate castle thing and just fly straight to the rebel base. Leia is force sensitive, so it would make sense that she could read Rey and Finn's thoughts. It would also make sense that Leia developed into a more wise jedi along the lines of Yoda, rather than a warrior like Luke.
>>65103841
Oh yeah, and it would also make sense that she has Luke's old Lightsaber
>>65103871
Why would that make sense
>>65085618
>tfw Rouge One will be full of operating in the SW universe
Or I really hope so
>>65104944
Well, obviously it still wouldn't make sense that anyone has it at all, but it makes more sense that it eventually made it's way to her rather than Maz just keeping it to herself despite apparently being good friends with Han and not giving or selling it to him.
>>65092724
If you weren't such a faggot, you would stop treating retrospective criticism as instant reaction.
I'm sure you'll start loving TFA when your favourite Youtube reviewer will tell you to love it after the sequel trilogy is finished.
>>65105028
>it wouldn't make sense
>but it makes more sense!
hurrr
>>65105208
Is there something you're not getting?
>>65091780
The Republic supports the resistance somewhat but won't actually engage the first order because there's a piece treaty with the remnants of the empire and don't have evidence they're actually doing anything wrong.
>>65085705
>>65085719
>classic movies
>>65085505
Guess I'm just gonna repost what I've posted in every single thread of this kind so far:
>don't make Maz Kanata a talking tangerine.
They had Lupita Nyong'o at their disposal after all. They could've slapped some fancy makeup on her and made her character a sort of "space mambo", not unlike Tia Dalma/Calypso in "Pirates of the Carribbean", you know. Think of it: Star Wars borrows so heavily from a lot of religions anyway; since Anakin's/Luke's lightsaber is a sort of force-fetish in this movie, a bit of a space-voodoo theme would've fit the story just right. It would've made the character a lot more credible.
>Try to make the Starkiller Base serve an actual purpose
There was actually no real sense of threat throughout the movie. The stakes could've been a lot higher if the Starkiller Base would've threatened a target we would actually care about.
>Don't speak of a "fleet" when you have ten X-Wings flying about.
>Clarify the relationship between the Republic, the Resistance and the First Order
>Solve at least ONE question.
To me it would've sufficed to know what the Knights of Ren actually are and where they came from.
>have at least ONE LESS "Finn doesn't know shit"-moment in the movie
Turning your erstwhile protagonist into a mere comic relief after one third of the movie just to have him engage in some action scenes a bit later felt kinda sucky.
>have at least TWO LESS "Rey knows a lot of shit despite having spent her whole life as a scavenger on a fuckin desert planet"-moments in the movie.
Not even talking about her force powers here. I'm ready to accept that the Force basically "called out" to Rey and that the Force fortunately works a lot differently than in the Prequels. But man, the "Kessel Run"-thing was just too much. Too much cheap fanservice that the movie could really have done without and that was really detrimental to Rey's character.
>>65105581
[cont.]
Really, without that one line, there would've been about 50% less "Mary Sue"-complaints.
For example the moment where she says "I fixed the [Flux compensator or whatever]!" with a broad smile on her face after ripping that thing from the panel was rather cute and likeable and could be interpreted as "street smart".
The "Kessel Run in 14 parsecs" (NO, twelve!) moment was rubbish.
The whole Rey-Sue dilemma is basically based on one factor that, in itself, was unavoidable but could've been handled a lot better:
In ANH Luke teams up with some fellows and they become the big-ass heroes.
In TFA Rey teams up with the big-ass heroes and thus becomes a Mary Sue.
So should there have been less Han Solo in the movie? I don't think so. The character needed a nice sendoff and it pretty much worked out.
However what the movie could've done without were the moments in which Rey is all like "Look guys, I'm with Han Solo. Look everyone, it's THE Han Solo!"
The "Kessel Run"-bit epitomises just that, if you ask me.
>>65105581
>>65105607
Autism.
>>65105720
Well, I DID originall post these in a thread named "improving TFA through the power of sheer autism"... still: Not really. Just saying that a couple of aspects could've used a TAD more sophistication
>>65105581
>>Solve at least ONE question.
So, so true, The movie was basically an exercise in throwing shit against the wall. Luckily, they pandered to the audience so much, and made such a derivaitive film that most people either didn't notice or didint care
>>65085505
>people still like Emma Stone
why? There are much prettier girls
>>65087621
>>New original ship designs, influenced by Xwings, TIEs, and Star Destroyers but not exact copies
New ships for the first order, but I think the resistance were fine with second hand x-wings.
>Rey doesn't know more about the Falcon than Han
She doesn't. She only knows about the modifications made since Han lost it.
Of course he isn't going to know about stuff that happened in the ~30 years he didn't have the ship.
>Rey can't somehow use a Jedi mind trick on her first try
She couldn't. It took her two attempts lol, did you even watch the film?!
>Kylo is winning the fight against Rey when they are split up
I agree with this. Maybe have her get a lucky swing in and as he goes to destroy her like he did with Finn the ground opens up. Or at least show her go HAM like Luke did against vader, before realising what she is doing.
>>65101144
I haven't seen this movie but I like what you've written here.
youre all really imaginative niggers, aint you? So are you going to claim your movie is better based on a far fetched nigger theory? or can you prove it cabron?
>>65106724
and younger.
I mean, Easy A was 6 years ago.
>>65102794
no its not stop with the shitty memes
its so hard for you people say that the movie is bad WITHOUT mentioning the prequels?
>>65103113
>being that retarded
>>65085807
If Hux was an older guy then we wouldn't have that adorable "Snoke-senpai notice me" rivalry going on with him and Ren.
>>65103540
>episode 8 is X years after AFW
Fcuking done...they can make Kilo a badass from the training,they build/already have another great threat weapon(probably a bigger planet!)
its not hard dude
>>65100976
You kinda just reversed what happened in TFA.
>When REN first meets REY, he mind tricks her but she returns the act. Ren is horrified to find someone else capable of the same superhuman feats he is. Not only that, but her powers are so incredibly beyond his own that the encounter leaves him terrified of her. The next time that he meets her, he loses confidence when he realizes that what he thought made him special is shared by others greater than him.
