>How did Kylo Ren get Vader's mask?
>Why did R2-D2 suddenly wake up?
>How did Maz get Luke's lightsaber?
>How was the Millennium Falcon stolen from Han?
>Is Phasma kill? Is TR-8R kill? Is Han kill?
>How did Finn manage to not get slaughtered by Kylo Ren?
>Snoke said it's time to 'complete' Kylo Ren's training... what does that mean exactly? It sounds as if there is something in particular that will 'complete' his training?
This film left me with so many fucking questions that probably won't be addressed in the sequels...
>>64926451
>How did Maz get Luke's lightsaber?
That's a story for another time
>mfw she literally fucking said that
>>64926451
>Is Han kill?
>Is TR-8R kill?
They both clearly died, are you retarded?
>>64926451
>Star Wars Episode VII: A Series of Fortunate Coincidences
>>64926451
>autism
Prequels made you think everything has to be explained in long expository monologues lmao
>>64926451
>muh exposition
>muh everything that happened in the last 30 years has to be explained
This type of thinking is why movies suck
Hey, look at this funny guy here trying to make sense of movies! Shut of your brain man.
>>64926451
>How did Kylo Ren get Vader's mask?
It was just fucking sitting there on Endor
>>64926451
This is a terrible post. Every "question" is either clearly answered, or doesn't concern the central narrative.
>>64926684
Literally the perfect way the handle that. Don't stop the movie to explain something that doesn't need explaining.
>>64927200
There's a difference between wanting plot elements to be explained and wanting every aspect of a story to be spelled out for you. How Maz got the lightsaber doesn't matter at all. There's a history there that the film doesn't reveal, and that's perfectly fine.
>>64926451
>How did Kylo Ren get Vader's mask?
Was probably at Luke's academy. Ren probably took it when he slaughtered the place.
>Why did R2-D2 suddenly wake up?
Probably because it was in close proximity to the necessary half of the map?
>How did Maz get Luke's lightsaber?
>>64926684
>How was the Millennium Falcon stolen from Han?
Probably just got jacked or he lost it the same way Lando did.
>Is Phasma kill? Is TR-8R kill? Is Han kill?
No, no, yes
>How did Finn manage to not get slaughtered by Kylo Ren?
Kylo Ren wasn't trying. Finn also had extensive military training.
>Snoke said it's time to 'complete' Kylo Ren's training... what does that mean exactly? It sounds as if there is something in particular that will 'complete' his training?
Sith sorcery, maybe? Advanced training in the force or lightsaber combat? That's like asking "why are you going for your Ph.D. if you already have a master's degree?"
>>64927205
>put your father on a pyre
>welp half of his shit didn't burn but fuck it let's just leave him lying over here
>>64927268
This.
What the fuck does it matter any of those questions OP has. Its been 30 fucking years, we need to stop and explain everything tgat doesn't need explaining? What the fuck?
>>64927345
>>welp half of his shit didn't burn but fuck it let's just leave him lying over here
He probably buried the remains.
>>64927148
>implying that title doesn't apply to all the original trilogy
>>64926451
The worst part is you're telling me Han Solo just happened to be in the area where his ship had been lost for many years at just the right time that Rey and Finn stole it so that they could meet? And Han didn't know Maz had the light saber, yet out of all the billions of planets, just so happened to take Rey to the one place where the light saber was?
>>64926451
Just saw it last night.
Scene where Kylo carries Rey onto ship reminded me Of Day the Earth Stood Still
Scene immediately after where ship takes off with escorts is viewed with trees on the side. Reminded of Wizard of Oz scene where monkeys carry off Dorothy
Scene of tie fighters flying in front of a sun brought back helicopters in Apocalypse Now
Anybody else get these feels?
>>64927473
They find the falcon with a tracker once its out of the Jakku system. They weren't just nearby. Pay attention to the fucking movie.
Han also know who Maz was, so he probably knew that he should take Rey to her.
>>64927517
It's almost like the director is a hack or something...
>>64926451
>>How did Kylo Ren get Vader's mask?
He retrieved it from the forest moon of Endor
>>Why did R2-D2 suddenly wake up?
He woke up when it was safe to wake up and find Luke. The threat of the First Order destroying the world with the first Jedi temple was gone.
>>How did Maz get Luke's lightsaber?
That's a story for another time.
>>How was the Millennium Falcon stolen from Han?
They explain that. It was stolen multiple times. How doesn't matter and will probably be a comic one day.
>>Is Phasma kill? Is TR-8R kill? Is Han kill?
No, she's going to be more important in the next film.
>>How did Finn manage to not get slaughtered by Kylo Ren?
Kylo was injured and Finn has some hand to hand combat.
>>Snoke said it's time to 'complete' Kylo Ren's training... what does that mean exactly? It sounds as if there is something in particular that will 'complete' his training?
He's clearly still raw. He has violent outbursts so we know he can't control his emotions. I imagine by completing his training he will make him more stable. Maybe he'll teach him how to actually use that saber he has instead twirling it around like some idiot.
reminder that if it wasn't mentioned or shown in the movie it's not canon
>>64927473
I don't think it's unreasonable for a smuggler to be in the same system as a junk planet to collect/trade
And maz canteen was a popular and known location. It's not like it was a box with a light sabre in the middle of no where.
I can't even be arsed to explain anymore. Kids today man, it's like they'd rather just have a Wikipedia article telling them the entire plot in excruciating detail rather than watch an actual film
>>64927597
Finn has some hand to hand combat training*
I think Kylo is not nearly as trained with a lightsaber as everyone thinks.
>>64927573
Because everyone from Tarantino, to Malick, to Kubrick didn't reference other directors...
>>64927568
Why couldn't they track it in the jakku system?
>>64927659
Why so many commas, bro?
>>64927473
I thought he was scanning the entire galaxy for a ping/message that the falcon went into space/turned on for the first time in years. Im pretty sure he said something like that almost word for word. iphones have a similar feature too.
I thought he took them to maz because maz knew how to find leia/the resistance.
>>64927672
I imagine the tracker didn't function until they turned on the Falcon.
>>64926451
>Is Phasma kill? Is TR-8R kill? Is Han kill?
Phasma's already confirmed for the second movie and the other two very clearly got their shit rekt
People like this really exist wow.. There are 2 other episodes!! It will all be explained. Calm down love.
>>64927672
If someone stole the falcon, they'd probably have a means of blocking any tracker. Otherwise it would be found instantly.
>>64926451
>>Why did R2-D2 suddenly wake up
Luke interfaced his robotic hand with R2 allowing him to control R2 remotely.
>>64927672
>>64927783
>this ship hasn't flown in years
Han and Chewie were only able to track it once Rey was flying it around in space. It was sitting in a junkyard in Jakku for years so Han and Chewie couldn't find it
Why do people think Kylo is good with a saber? I felt like the final scene implied that he was pretty raw when it came to using it. He is flashy and arrogant but doesn't show a ton of skill.
>>64926451
>This film left me with so many fucking questions that probably won't be addressed in the sequels...
because they want you to do half of the thinking
>>64927922
But I just wanted to turn my brain off.
>>64926451
>How did Kylo Ren get Vader's mask?
a storm trooper picked it up off the floor where luke left it and it stayed in the empire's possession?
>Why did R2-D2 suddenly wake up?
detected rey or something, we aren't supposed to know yet
>How did Maz get Luke's lightsaber?
ditto
>How was the Millennium Falcon stolen from Han?
who cares, it's stolen and stolen back a million times
>Is Phasma kill? Is TR-8R kill? Is Han kill?
no, yes, obviously
>How did Finn manage to not get slaughtered by Kylo Ren?
he did- as soon as kylo got winged he stopped messing around and wrecked his shit in seconds
>Snoke said it's time to 'complete' Kylo Ren's training... what does that mean exactly? It sounds as if there is something in particular that will 'complete' his training?
wow it's almost as if a sequel is coming
>>64926451
"Worldbuilding is a tedious chore." -John Joseph Abrams
>>64927886
Because as OP has shown; people are fucking stupid
>>64927348
It wouldn't be a problem but the movie doesn't fucking explain anything
It's hard to care about the movie when it doesn't tell you anything about it's story or world
>That's a story for another time
Well golly I better watch the sequel so I can understand basic plot information he he :^)
>>64926451
>tfw "complete" training means learning Sith Lightning
>>64927886
Well, he slaughtered an entire Jedi academy with the help of six guys. He has to be a pretty decent fighter when he's not injured and exhausted.
>>64927944
>exposition and world building are the same thing
You're an idiot. In fact, having a history with Maz and the lightsaber that isn't explained is better world building than just explaining what happened.
If Kylo sucked with the lightsaber why didn't he just wrecked them with the Force? He was a pro at that.
>>64927453
not as bad as Episode 7
>>64927148
its the will of the force that everything happens the way it does, not coincidence
>>64928042
This
It was stupid to see him piledrive Rey into a tree and then when Finn said "yo gibz me dat" he decided all of a sudden to have a gentleman's duel. If his motivation was to just get the lightsaber it would have been easy as fuck
Damn son
I felt like the Prequels had some nice political intrigue that sort of fit in with the time period because of the whole "false flag" conspiracies. But it looks like the new films are just going back to a basic "good versus evil" story. Kind of disappointing, to be honest.
>>64928013
>the movie doesn't fucking explain anything
This is a good thing. This is the anti-Christopher Nolan style of writing that Kasdan clearly inspired in JJ. We don't need a recap of the last 30 years, the same way that A New Hope didn't need a recap of the events of the prequels for the story to work. Knowing that there's a history there is enough; actually explaining that history is dumb.
>>64928042
>>64928106
He is an arrogant dark side prick who clearly wanted to humiliate Finn in a saber fight. Quickly killing him with the force wouldn't be as satisfying as toying with him in a lightsaber fight. Vader did the same with Luke in TESB. And both Vader and Kylo immediately ended the fight after their opponent managed to get a lucky hit on them.
>>64927886
Because Kylo is strong enough in the force to freeze blaster bolts in mid air and rip information out of people's minds. It is a safe inference to make that he is also well versed in lightsaber fighting.
>>64928196
Well there are several pretty important plot points that you are just supposed to accept
The entire driving point of the movie is that there is a map to where luke is. Who made the map? Why? Why is it in two pieces? How did it get separated? It's just fucking stupid
>>64928106
T8-TR also has a gentleman's duel with him. There's clearly a First Order code that's expressed by how Kylo and T8-TR treat Finn.
>>64926451
it was the will of the force :^)
>>64928038
idiot, world building is to tell MORE about the universe: planets, governments, history, technical stuff
Not telling a detail is not world building
What the fuck happened from the end of Episode 6 until the beginning of Episode 7?
>>64926451
> things happened before VII the post
>>64927332
You can explain it to these shitposters all day but they'll still call it incredibly flawed
>>64928249
The map itself was made by the Empire, seeing as R2 got a copy of it from the first Death Star. The section to where Luke is was probably made by Luke, since R2 always stayed with him. They separated the two parts, had R2 go into low energy mode, and gave the fragment to Lor San Tekka.
>>64928249
>Who made the map? Why? Why is it in two pieces? How did it get separated?
You do know that this is the first part of a trilogy, right? Luke will probably explain everything to Rey and the audience in episode VIII.
Seriously though why does the resistance only have X-Wings. Also, why the name change from rebellion?
>>64928256
Will Finn get called "TRAITOR" whenever he meets a member of the First Order from now on?
>>64928249
I always assumed it was Luke who left those pieces behind for the resistance to find it.
Either way why the fuck does it matter WHO made the map, and why its in pieces? What do you gain by knowing things that don't effect the plot in anyway?
>>64928249
Jesus dude, you really need everything explained to you? It's not like it's 2001. We complain about the dumbing down of movies, then complain when we don't have characters whose sole function is so explain the plot.
By the way, the map wasn't to Luke himself, it was to the last Jedi academy, where people assumed Luke went to. R2-D2 had it in his memory banks since A New Hope; the map was created by the Empire during the Jedi purge. The final bits of the map was the location of the final Jedi temples, which we don't know how that old guy got but he did.
>>64928249
>The entire driving point of the movie is that there is a map to where luke is. Who made the map? Why? Why is it in two pieces? How did it get separated? It's just fucking stupid
The entire driving point of the original film is that there are plans to the Death Star. Who made these plans? How did the Rebels get it? How did Princess Leia have it? Why were they transporting them on a diplomatic ship? It's just fucking stupid.
People were fine without an autistic explanation for how the rebels got the Death Star plans for 40 fucking years
>>64928303
World building is having is having IG-88 in the background without explaining what or who it is. World building isn't exposition. Maz getting the lightsaber is a case where depth is added through the inclusion of mystery, which implies the existence of a long history. Actually explaining it would be less interesting because the explanation can never be as good as what you imagine, hence Episode II ruining Boba Fett.
>R2 had the map all along
>that fucker caused the deaths of hundreds of people, including Han Solo because he didn't feel like sharing
The Fuck?
Why did Kylo Ren sent a fucking janitor to probably the most important mission they had?
>>64926451
>Why was Luke named Luke rather than say, John or James?
>Why is Darth Vader's helmet curved in the back rather than square?
>Why was Han Solo hanging out at a public bar when he had a bounty on his head?
>Why did the Empire allow the Death Star's Achilles heel be exposed to the outside through a narrow tunnel?
>Why was the rebel base in some ancient temple?
This shitty movie left me with so many questions.
>>64928499
>it's the blueprint, idjit
>Vader literally says she stole it
Just admit that JJ is more of a hack than Lucas
>>64928303
>What the fuck happened from the end of Episode 6 until the beginning of Episode 7?
There is a new Republic and a Resistance army that openly confronts the First Order. Han and Leia had a son who was manipulated by Snoke and murdered Luke's Jedi students. Luke disappeared, probably to find the first Jedi temple and Han and Leia fell back to their old habits after the traumatic loss of their son.
And that's it. You don't need to know any more than this to understand this trilogy. If you want more, read the books. The movies aren't supposed to show you everything that happened during the last 30 years.
>>64928373
>making up your own fanfic
>>64928379
>just watch the sequel bro!
>>64928430
>Luke left the map in pieces to abandon the resistance while fighting a war
>>64928438
>also making up fanfic
>>64928499
The blueprints of a spacestation is more plausible. Someone built a thing so you would need blueprints for it.
A mystical map in separate pieces that leads to someone who put himself in exile is fucking contrived so it can copy ANH even more.
>>64928539
All the First Order Stormtroopers are given mundane cleaning jobs as part of their cadet training.
>>64928533
He was looking through his decades of data (meaning the information stored from the beginning of the prequels to just before he turns back on in TFA) for the map.
The argument is he is looking through tons of data to find it. Sort of dumb but there is an explanation
>>64926451
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>>64928499
>Who made these plans?
Whoever made the death star
>How did the Rebels get it? How did Princess Leia have it?
Vader said Leia stole it
>Why were they transporting them on a diplomatic ship?
They were trying to escape
I know you were trying to be cute but it failed pretty hard. It's okay to admit TFA was shit.
>>64928563
>Luke was the name of Padme's first crush
>the curved helmet allows him to place his head in the pilot systems of his ship
>he was on his way to see Jabba, he literally told him this
>they had gunners protecting it so they thought it was safe
>easy to hide, plus, the rebels were always big on force mysticism
>>64928539
He wasn't just a janitor. He was one of the best soldiers in the First Order according to some Wookiepedia nonsense. He often got demoted for being a nice guy though.
>>64926451
JUST WATCH THE SEQUEL
IT WILL EXPLAIN ALL THE PLOTHOL- I MEAN MYSTERIES
-love, Disney
PS. Make sure you see the sequel 5 times minimum please
>>64928653
Rogue One, the upcoming movie, disagrees with you. Leia has no hand in the plans getting stolen. They are just sent to the Tantive IV, to Leia, so they can be given to the fledgling Rebellion via Bail.
>>64928581
It's not fanfic. The fact that that's the first Jedi temple and that R2-D2 had the locations of the other Jedi temples is canonical fact. How the old guy in the opening of TFA got the location of that temple isn't yet known.
>>64928704
>it's okay when Lord of the Rings does it, it's not okay when Star Wars does it
>>64927332
>Sith sorcery, maybe? Advanced training in the force or lightsaber combat? That's like asking "why are you going for your Ph.D. if you already have a master's degree?"
WRONG
it's gonna be like the empire strikes back with the sith fucking shit up left and right
>>64926451
>Not important
>Coincidence, like many of the coincidental things of this franchise.
>"That's a story for another time."
>Han has to make deals with people all the time, and clearly doesn't own up to them. He probably lost it being the irresponsible wonderful man he is.
>Phasma is confirmed in next movie, probably, most likely.
>Rey intervened, and Finn got medical attention in time.
>As much as others think Kylo is top tier, he's still pretty rookie. He is not Vader. He probably needs to better master the Force, if someone like Rey can body him so badly.
That will be explained in the next few movies
:^)
>>64928763
Tolkein already died with his work finished
>>64927886
Because he is 30 and has been training it the whole fucking decade or so.
>>64928661
All bullshit explanations. Just accept they are all dumb space opera movies with lots of coincidences and not everything needs to be explained.
>>64928342
You know you dipshits are filling the answers with bullshit fan fiction, right? Why not just go to the theaters and have somebody tell you the premise of the story and you retards can sit there with your eyes closed, sniffing your own farts?
Fucking idiots. The story needs answers.
>>64928795
>He is still pretty rookie.
Please make up your mind, JJ.
>>64926451
>How did Kylo Ren get Vader's mask?
They probably buried what was left of the body. As one of the higher members of the First Order he probably went to retrieve it himself as a Dark Side Artifact.
>Why did R2-D2 suddenly wake up?
Because the film was ending soon.Maybe he was linked to Han's life
>How did Maz get Luke's lightsaber?That's a story for another time.
>How was the Millennium Falcon stolen from Han?
These things happen.
>Is Phasma kill? Is TR-8R kill? Is Han kill?
No. Yes. Yes.
>How did Finn manage to not get slaughtered by Kylo Ren?
Kylo Ren had been shot so his fighting skills were not up to their normal levels.
>Snoke said it's time to 'complete' Kylo Ren's training... what does that mean exactly? It sounds as if there is something in particular that will 'complete' his training?
I guess we'll see.
It isn't a stand alone film, but neither was The Empire Strikes Back. I don't get why people can't just accept the fact that, like in Empire, many story threads are going to be resolved in the next film.
>>64928406
>>64928875
>The story needs answers.
Then wait. Do you watch the Fellowship of the Ring and complain about the lack of answers and resolution?
The prequels are even worse than I thought. Not only were they horrible movies, but they even made dumb underages want more unnecessary exposition in their Star Wars movies.
>>64928931
Yes. It has to give something. The only mysteries should be those that will reveal the plot.
>>64928879
>"Jedi Killer"
Fucking really?
>>64928931
I can always read the book since it's better
>>64928996
That was his code name all throughout pre-production. That's the only thing that stayed constant with Kylo's design process.
>>64926451
>How did Poe get off Jakku and meet up with the Resistance again?
>>64927332
I think the line was more referring to Kylo being fully immersed and committed to the dark side after killing his Father. Snoke said "you have never faced a test like this before" when first revealing Han was Kylo's father, so I read it as the test being Kylo destroying his father, as Luke was unable to do to Vader, which would have insured him a place by the Emporer's side.
>>64928974
TFA gave enough. It introduced the characters and gave us a baseline for the new layout. We don't need hours of exposition to tell us everything; we have the novels for that.
>>64928875
Answers implies that the story set up questions for the audience rather than the audience having to ask questions of the story.
The movie needs explanations.
>>64928879
He just goes into an autistic rage and gets lucky.
Not so much skill as retard strength.
Anyways why does he autistically smack himself when he's fighting Finn/Rey?
>>64927345
>>64928996
Luke's/Analkin's lightsaber is nicknamed the "baby killer" by the replica community. Maybe a reference to that.
>>64929098
To numb the wound he received from Chewbacca.
>>64928875
Do you know what suspension of disbelief is? Have you ever been able to enjoy a movie in your life or do you just have to be autistic about every single detail?
>>64929077
>hours of exposition
Are you faggots always this dishonest? We don't need hours, we need it to make sense, and a good movie will give enough. TFA suffers from JJ L O S T syndrome.
>>64929093
>Answers implies that the story set up questions for the audience rather than the audience having to ask questions of the story.
Literally a distinction without a difference.
>>64928996
So? He literally killed Jedi and is probably known for this in the First Order.
>>64929158
JJ Abrams had nothing to do with Lost after the pilot episode. And everything in TFA makes perfect sense. We simply don't have backstory, which is fine.
>>64929117
>>64929191
>just turn your brain off bro
>>64928406
The Resistance is like the Mujaheddin if the Mujaheddin was made up of ex-CIA (yeah... "IF" lol). The Republic has all the good ships. They probably have to make do with whatever leftovers they can get their hands on, like old X-wings. It makes sense, since X-Wings are the most common fighters.
The Resistance is probably gonna find a hidden cache of fighters and gear on a planet somewhere in the next movie and they'll finally get their Y-Wings and A-Wings... though, maybe updated versions of those.
>>64929226
You are the one who probably turned his brain off, since you couldn't even understand what happened in a Star Wars movie.
>>64929226
Needing everything explain to you is the definition of turning off your brain. You're the one who wants the movie to think for you.
I honestly think we are getting double roused with Finn. The poster and shit wanted you to think he was the force sensitive when it was really Rey so now everyone assumes he isn't, but I think he is.
During the start when we first see him feeling empathy and not wanting to fight Ben stops and looks over at him like he senses something, but dismisses it. It would also explain how he managed to fight even for a little while against him. Maybe he isn't the all powerful angel descended from heaven who will lead the jedi order into a new era like Rey but he might turn into some average force powers militaristic general type Jedi.
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>>64929394The major twist of the sequels is that everyone is a potential force user
THE FORCE AWAKENS
>>64926451
He went to endor and get it.
Because he`s a jedi
she went to bespin and get it.
the same way things are stolen from other people.
no.yep.yep
he was pretty fucked up
he meant that kylo`s training will be complete
Next time you watch a movie use your brain to think about the movie.It you make you understand better.
>>64927167
Imagine that guy watching 2001:a space odysey
>>64926451
Addressing any of those questions would literally make zero difference in the story.
>>64928499
>How did the Rebels get it?
This nigga right here had a hand in it.
>>64930196
Disney abandoned that character, so he has nothing to do with the first Death Star anymore.
>>64930442
He lives on in our hearts.
>>64928499
>>64930196
theres a movie being made specifically about this. rebel spies stole the blueprints
>>64926451
>How did Maz get Luke's lightsaber?
Easy. She went down to the liquid metallic hydrogen core of Bespin and pried it from Luke's hand's dead fingers.
>>64926451
>How did Maz get Luke's lightsaber?
they mine the gas on bespin. it was probably found by some miner or it landed on a mining ship or whatever and eventually found its way through the black market into mazs hands, and through force magic she knew who it belonged tooand kept it like a bitch instead of giving it back to luke
>>64929302
>>64929319
>people actually think like this
>people wonder why movies are such shit now
>>64927268
It's clumsy and disjointed as hell.
>>64926451
>Why did R2-D2 suddenly wake up?
jj said that bb-8 started his bootup when it bumped him
why they didn't say taht I'll never know
>>64926451
>>How did Maz get Luke's lightsaber?
I don't find this one too far fetched. You can't tell me no one has ever been down to where Luke's saber fell for clean up or just maintenance.
I'm going to assume it was found and passed around.
>>64930875
The rebels never tried to turn him on?
That's some really good writing right there.
>>64930980
He was already "on" but he was in self-imposed maintenance mode. He heard the people around him mentioning the map fragment and started booting himself up to be of use. Because he is 70+ years old without a single memory wipe, he has a bit of a hard time managing to restart.
>>64926451
STORY
FOR
>what were they thinking when they chose CGI for maz and snoke?
>>64928940
And Abrams fans want to watch people run around like chickens with their heads cut off, doing God knows what.
>>64931111
They took too long to decide on the design of Maz, so they couldn't make a puppet in time for filming. Somehow full CG and mocap for her was easier than a puppet. This was revealed in the art book for the movie.
>>64931097
YOU
>>64928026
>Kill people who don't have lightsabers
>With the help of six others
>Scene in question shows him stabbing a guy from BEHIND
How is this any indication of skill?
>>64926451
Stop looking for depth where there isn't any.
>>64926451
>Snoke said it's time to 'complete' Kylo Ren's training... what does that mean exactly? It sounds as if there is something in particular that will 'complete' his training?
Must be shitty being an autist, OP
>>64928217
>It is a safe inference to make that he is also well versed in lightsaber fighting.
Was Mozart an expert guitar player just because he had a strong sense of music theory and piano?
>>64927268
>Don't explain something that doesn't need explaining.
This is generally speaking a good guideline in fiction, but here's the thing.
It applies to stuff like
>"So how did the Empire even know what sector of space to look for the Rebel base? It seemed like they didn't have that many probes or Star Destroyers on the look out."
>"How did Luke manage to get to Dagobah in a fighter?"
>"How come Boba Fett knew that the Millenium Falcon was on the back of the Star Destroyer? And if he already knew, why didn't he just tell the Empire?"
>"What's a Kessel Run, and why is it impressive in 12 parsecs?"
Or to put it into simpler terms: Stuff that you don't think about anyway. Things that are not part of the story. No part of the narrative has anything to do with how Luke got to Dagobah, no part of the narrative is changed whether or not the Empire knew where the Rebel base was, or if it was a lucky find, or something completely different. Han's boast didn't really matter, it was just to establish his character and personality. And Boba Fett in general was a who-gives-a-shit reverse macguffin that instead of leading the characters towards the story, led the story to the characters.
On the other hand
>"What's with this 1000 year old lady who not only has the lightsaber, but verbally points out that it's origin is a good question?"
This is different. This is in your face. It tells you "Hey! Look at this! This is important!" and then establishes nothing about it.
Even arguing that Vader's fatherhood wasn't pre-planned, you can't deny that his reveal works. There is no scene of Obi-Wan mentioning that there is a dark secret that Vader holds, a secret that will one day be revealed. No, Vader is just an ominous character with a set place in Luke's history, and then, when the time comes to talk about the background, it is talked about. He has a connection to Luke, and that's enough.
Just give her the saber, would've been fine.
>>64927118
Darth Maul clearly died too. Look how that turned out
>>64926451
Why do we need Jedi if there is a SU-24?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Jt0wV7T1g
>>64931937
>Han's corpse is immediately incinerated by Starkiller Base blowing up
Why Kailo Ren was defeated by the woman and the negro? Why not kill them with his telekinesis?
>>64926451
>>How did Finn manage to not get slaughtered by Kylo Ren?
Did you not even notice Kylo Ren got badly wounded by Chewbacca?
>>64932201
see >>64932254
There is a fucking reason he was pounding his side while blood was dripping you know.
>>64927148
>Implying that isn't literally every single movie ever made.
>>64932108
>Captain Phasma is in the trash compactor therefore she's stuck there and incinerated by the explosion
>Oh wait, she's going to be in the next film
>>64932342
She wasn't stabbed with a lightsaber before she was put in there. It's also a place that is easily reachable by a couple of random Stormies with a ladder.
>>64932108
>Han falls into pit, with a chest wound
>No way he survived and snuck onto a First Order ship as they were evacuating
>Darth Maul falls into a pit with his torso cut in half and spine severed
>After crashing a couple hundred yards if not more bellow, has the endurance to build himself a new body out of trash
I appreciate the fact that you're using logic. But this is wild country.
We're in Disneyland now.
>>64927856
you just made that shit up
>>64927943
Vader's mask is clearly on when he's burnt in the ceremony
>>64927856
>In deleted scene
>Just before R2 wakes up, we get a distorted image, a hooded, dark figure, standing crooked, barely visible
>Mixed archive voice from RotS and Hamill voice:
>"Execute Order 67"
Why wasn't this a thing?
>>64928134
A good blend of both could be kind of cool actually
>>64932588
Don't blame Disney for that Clone Wars bullshit.
>>64926451
With the exception of the last 2 which nobody cares about anyway, all of it could have been explained by the characters in a total of about 6 minutes.
>>64932973
Nah you're right, they didn't come up with it. But they are the ones who decided to make it canon.
A lot of people run around going "EU isn't canon anymore :^)" but it never was. Absolutely nothing outside of the movies themselves was ever canon.
But Disney, decided that out of all of the EU, make that shit canon, because it was the most marketable in the future.
That I do blame on them.
>>64928763
Lord of the Rings were literally books that already had endings to them before the movies came out
>>64932588
the difference is han is 80 fucking years old and not a force user. even if he was a force user, it was the dark side that helped maul survive. plus you dont know shit about his species, but we know elderly humans cant survive that shit because they die if they so much as bump their elbow against a door frame
>>64926451
>>Snoke said it's time to 'complete' Kylo Ren's training... what does that mean exactly? It sounds as if there is something in particular that will 'complete' his training?
Yellow eyes YOU FUCKING MORON
>>64927268
hi redddit
>>64933095
They kept TCW canon out of semi respect for Lucas, since it was his pet project after the movies were done.
>>64928763
>Lord of the Rings
>Pulling you on with plot hooks for the sequels like this
Please tell me you see the difference between. "Look at this thing. This will be important in the future." and "Look at the way things are going, they will be resolved in the future."
One of them is an incomplete narrative, the other is a cock tease of a narrative that is there to keep you interested. You know, likeLost.
>>64933184
Dude, you're right.
That doesn't mean Disney can't or won't decide that "wrong" is the correct way to go about things.
>>64933255
>Disney
>Respect for Lucas being a reason for anything
>In a multi-billion dollar deal, with a decade's worth of merchandising planned out ahead
>>64933095
Fair enough. Although the cartoon was, I think, a higher level of canon than the rest of the EU (by Lucas's orders), so that may have played a factor in Disney's decision.
>>64933273
>In a multi-billion dollar deal, with a decade's worth of merchandising planned out ahead
Merchandising that wasn't thought out until after Lucas signed over Star Wars.
>>64927268
Have people forgotten that his lightsaber fell into the abyss on cloud city and probably shattered into pieces on impact?
It DOES need explaining. Who the fuck went down there and got it?
>>64926451
>how did kylo ren get vaders mask
I'll share a video I saw about this
https://youtu.be/DxEKfNmf2cA
>>64933283
Yeah there was something like that. The old canon set up was a mess you could only get into if you were willing to put the kind of effort into it, that it takes to get into D&D.
There was like... 5 tiers of canon I think. There was the Movies, there was the novelisations, which were like a mirror universe canon, then a very few select shows/EU novels, *most stuff* and finally the non-Canon stuff like the Holiday Special that shall not be mentioned.
Unless I remember wrong.
>>64933318
>Merchandising that wasn't thought out until after Lucas signed over Star Wars.
>Disney
>Signing a multi-billion dollar contract, without having a fully fleshed out Plan A and Plan B set up, depending on whether or not the plan goes through
Do you even capitalism?
We're talking about Disney. They didn't get where they are, by sitting back, and waiting out the wave.
>>64926451
1. storm troopers retrieved it from endor
2. (*assumed) luke programmed him to activate when the "time was right"
3. (assumed) friends on bespin
4. who knows who cares
5. phasma was confirmed to have survived, TR8R is ded, and han is most likely dead.
6. finn was the best storm trooper in his class, especialy with hand to hand and melee combat. this explains his saber skill
7. kylo hasnt undergone the sith trials which includes but is not limited to: living on a planet of killer droids w/ out a light saber for a year, killing a large number of jedi then being partially maimed etc
>>64933388
>Disney: Let's plan out ten years ahead for a franchise we don't own yet!
>Disney, later: George, let us buy Star Wars, look at our cool plan.
>George: "no"
Plan goes right out the window if this happened.
>>64933441
>he doesn't know how business work
>>64933441
>Implying Disney would show their entire marketing plan to Lucas
>Implying the fact that "but it's just so much work!" is an excuse for not planning ahead on that level of a corporation
Do you have any idea how much shit Disney and other companies plan that never goes through?
What do you think the point of focus groups are? To chisel the one thing they were going to make anyway into something more pallettable? No, they also use them to decide which ideas to use and which not to.
You can't honestly think Disney just decided that "We'll go ahead and buy Star Wars! That's a good trick!" and haven't thought it through how they're going to use the license.
Hell, people put more thought into planning their D&D characters that die in the first dungeon, and those are nerds having fun. These are business men out to survive in the concrete jungle.
>>64933273
They're both incomplete narratives. The only difference is that one had been completed and revised, and was only being released in separate parts, whereas the other is yet to be finished. That's not necessarily a bad thing.
>You know, like Lost.
Like one of the greatest TV shows of all time? Almost all great TV shows, for that matter, are written by committee and fill in gaps in the narrative as they go along. Star Wars is doing the same thing, and it's not like answers to any of OP's questions are in any way necessary for the appreciation of the film.
>>64933613
>Lost
>Like one of the greatest TV shows of all time?
Okay, yeah end of discussion right there. Sorry, it's not you, it's me.
But really a) think about how you're applying TV logic, with narratives that play out throughout a few weeks, to movies that have years between them, and how you're equating an incomplete narrative, that has a direction and a focus, with an incomplete narrative that has a bunch of hooks sticking out of it, that may or may not be picked up.
>>64929098
>Anyways why does he autistically smack himself when he's fighting Finn/Rey?
because they know the audience are not as autistic and will forget he's been wounded. So hitting himself serves as a reminder that he's about to go into battle at not 100% himself.
>>64929837
once everyone's a force user.. noone will be
>>64933717
>Sorry, it's not you, it's me.
Funny guy. I'm not saying it's as strong as the big HBO dramas but you're a fool if you think Lost (ignoring an admittedly weak final season) isn't a great show.
>with narratives that play out throughout a few weeks
Conventionally and for most shows, there is a year's gap between seasons.
>you're equating an incomplete narrative, that has a direction and a focus, with an incomplete narrative that has a bunch of hooks sticking out of it, that may or may not be picked up.
But Star Wars does have direction and focus. It's still the monomyth. The hooks (by which I assume you mean things like Kylo Ren's characterization, Finn's and Rey's motivations, etc., and not OP's trivialities) will obviously be picked up, and the writers that follow will probably do a good job. It's not like Lucas didn't make everything up as he went along.
>>64927118
TR-8R or now identified as Nines will be brought back as the template for Snoke's clone army.
He will come back to us. I have foreseen it.
>>64934021
>Funny guy. I'm not saying it's as strong as the big HBO dramas but you're a fool if you think Lost (ignoring an admittedly weak final season) isn't a great show.
Everything great about it, is the way it built hype, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either, it just knew how to look like more than it is.
>Year gap between seasons.
The funny thing about that, is that these kinds of "I'll explain later" inconclusions get resolved in the episodes strung together in a single season. The kind of questions left between seasons, are the kind that the story directly is built towards, which is the difference between a side-note lorehanger like the "it's a story for another time" thing, and Luke not defeating the Empire in a single go.
>The last bit.
You contradict yourself.
The entire point, of the monomyth, is that it's straightforward. Things get introduced as they become relevant. There isn't a hundred sideroads reaching out along every step. There is no question left unanswered left and right, to be picked up on at a later date.
Events follow eachother and new things come to light. That is how Star Wars functions.
The only real side question that was ever presented in Star Wars, was who the mysterious leader of the CIS is, in the prequels, but the audience itself already knew the answer to that, and it was simply a question for the main characters.
Again, there's a difference between establishing that Luke and Vader has a clear cut connection, and then altering it a bit to expand on it, and doing something in the veins of what was done here, and Obi-Wan hinting at Luke and Vader being connected but refusing to tell him and the audience how.
>>64931168
>kill an entire school's worth of force users
>do this without Luke Fucking Skywalker, Jedi Knight being able to stop you.
Yeah I'm sure you and a six pack of scrubs could pull that off no problem.
>>64932336
Other movies at least try to make it believable.
>>64934358
Different Anon but:
>Implying that school's worth of force users was taught how to fight, by the guy who made a point out of refusing the dark side, and every mentor he ever had told him that the Jedi way is in learning, not in battle
I mean yeah, it would make sense in the old EU verison of the future that they know how to fight, but that lot's out the window, and it didn't look like anyone was armed
>Implying Luke must've been able to stop him
See the funny thing about that, is that Luke made no appearence there.
It's not like Kylo and company wrecked his shit, we have not idea what was going on with him.
For all we know, Kylo could have pulled a Jedi holocron out of his ass, making Luke go off for a few days, to search for something (like he apparently is during this entire movie), and then killed Luke's students while Luke was not there to save them.
>>64934358
>luke is off world, trying to talk leia out of yet another abortion
>knights of ren have party at lukes temple
>all the pussy freshmen get too fucked up and drunk drive off a cliff
>knights bolt the fuck out of there before luke comes back
>>64928726
>is canonical fact
Citation.
>>64934358
>A light side jedi would willingly kill his nephew and several other former students
I'm not convinced of that.
>>64926451
Don't worry they're going to make an animated kid show that is a prequel to VII
>Have to wait 4 years to watch 4 hours of new Star Wars
Alright.
>>64926451
Jedi Temple
IT WAS TIME
OTHER TIME
By someone else.
PART TIME
REY
Answer: it's time to 'complete' Kylo Ren's training
NEXT
>>64934496
>Ep. 8
>Luke doesn't have any idea what Ben Solo did, and has been searching for this fake holocron this entire time
>Rey has to tell him
kek
>>64926451
That's how a successful part one of a :book, movie, game, ect should be. It keeps you interested and curious. Take your ritalin you spazz.
>it's an ADHD millennial thread
Go watch avatar. PRETTY COLORS is more suited for your young mind
>>64928621
Source on this?
>>64934828
TFA Visual Dictionary and JJ interviews
Anyone has that pic with the plot of New Hope crossed out into The Force Awakens.
>>64926451
Shut up frodo.
>>64935465
That pic is wrong, by the way. As in it has factually incorrect information. I think it was written by someone who read the plot leaks, not someone who saw the movie.
>>64935602
The paralels are still there.
>>64935465
Pic for you senpai.
>>64935664
I'm assuming you meant this one.
There are actually multiple, will look for the other one, I think I had it someplace.
>>64935664
There are tons of parallels, which makes the lies in that pic even weirder.
>>64927118
Most stormtroopers dont even die when they get hit with a blaster, they get knocked unconscious thats what the amour is for. Maybe Nines will return.
>>64935760
Just incase anyone in confused, BB-8 doesn't land on Jakku to escape the First Order, Rey never meets Lars Sen Tekka and he's not an Obi-Wan type character, The First Order never burns down Rey's hometown, Rey doesn't escape Jakku with the help of Han and Chewbacca (and doesn't meet them until afterwards), and it's never reveled the Rey is related to Kylo Ren. The image is wrong on more half of its similarities.
>>64935896
Basically.
Still, while I can't find it (apparently I never saved it), there was an alternate version of this with more accurate story parallels, was also a bit less verbose.
>>64927473
You faggots dont understand the force
Its the FUCKING FORCE that brings everyone and everything together at the right time in order to achieve balance of itself
I dont even like star wars that much but even I can figure that out
>>64934883
Ah thanks!
>>64926451
>>How did Kylo Ren get Vader's mask?
There are plenty of ways he could've gotten it. Maybe he went to Endor. Maybe a Rebel brought it back as a trophy. Maybe Leia/Han brought it back as proof of his demise and Kylo stole it when he left home.
>>Why did R2-D2 suddenly wake up?
Dunno, and that bothered me also. The best explanation I could offer is that Luke foresaw the exact moment when Starkiller Base would be destroyed and R2 set a timer.
>>How did Maz get Luke's lightsaber?
I burst out laughing when she said "That's a story for another time" Fucking hilarious. Kasdan and Abrams just passing the buck. "We'll let Rian Johnson handle that bullshit."
>>How was the Millennium Falcon stolen from Han?
You saw how easy it was for Rey and Finn to walk onto it and fly away, maybe someone else did that. I was honestly hoping from the trailers that after RotJ Lando literally just flew off with it. That would've been fucking great.
>>Is Phasma kill? Is TR-8R kill? Is Han kill?
Phasma might've gotten out and might've died. My money's on her getting out. TR-8R and Han are dead.
>>How did Finn manage to not get slaughtered by Kylo Ren?
People making this complaint have pissed me off from the moment the movie came out. Kylo is clearly fucking toying with Finn, and Finn doesn't stand a chance. The instant Finn actually does manage to get a lucky scratch onto Kylo, Kylo instantly disarms him and slices his spine open.
>>Snoke said it's time to 'complete' Kylo Ren's training... what does that mean exactly? It sounds as if there is something in particular that will 'complete' his training?
I assumed it meant killing Han. Same as how in RotJ Sheev was saying that once Luke killed Vader, his turn to the dark side would be complete.
>>64927659
Those are all hack directors.
>>64935979
>>64936510
george, your own cartoon series made that canon
>the clone wars isnt canon
too bad. shouldnt have sold those right you fat bastard
I actually really liked the force awakens as much as it was a retread.
My most hated facts are;
>Maz.
She was boring and unnecessary. It should've been Leia in that role, explaining that she spent a long-time trying to find luke's lightsaber and would be knowledgeable about the force considering she could've become a jedi if she had decided to.
>NO POLITICS.
Even slight exposition; hell the only wide-concept of the state of the galaxy is by the speech with the first order; and there was a deleted scene where leia tries to get new republic funding and persuade them into open action against the first order. These were dropped why? They fleshed out the universe.
Also the prequels were great from a world-building standpoint, acting, pacing were awful; but they introduced tons of creative things to the universe and sneaky sheev is fucking enjoyable to watch.
>>64937198
>"I like that wookie."
I don't get why people hate Maz
>>64937396
She was comic relief.
She didn't really add anything else other than act as a plot-pusher.
If she had more insight or maybe even a former jedi master who'd given up her ways she'd be interesting.
Instead we get a random who just "somehow" knows how the force works.
I don't dislike her; its just I don't really find a reason for her to exist in the film.
>>64937460
>She was comic relief.
She wasn't, at all. Except for that one wookie line nothing relating to her is even remotely comedic. Finn is more of a comic relief than she is
>>64937489
She was also weird and small.
Crawled along the table and shite.
I just don't see why she was there, she didn't make sense and disappeared immediately after dumping a lightsaber on the main cast.
>>64937593
She was supposed to do more and even appear on D'Qar, but all those scenes were cut because her main purpose (passing on the lightsaber) was complete.
>>64927268
you are 17 aren't you?
>>64937593
She made sense to me. She's just a character who has been around for a shit-ton of time, and would have the resources to find Luke's lightsaber.
>weird and small
You mean like Yoda?
>>64926684
There was a cut scene, during Rey's flashback it was meant to show luke's hand getting cut off, and the lightsaber passing between people and planets before resting with maz.
>>64937868
Yoda was a jedi master.
Maz is the owner of a bar that displays insight on yoda's level.
If she was an ex-jedi; it would make sense, unwilling to fight, but still holds onto her heritage.
Instead we get nothing. Just like we got nothing about the general state of the galaxy aside from establishing that the new republic and resistance are seperate entities.
>mfw I love the prequels now that i've seen TFA
>mfw the prequels are a billions times better than this clusterfuck absolute MESS of a movie that is TFA who provide nothing to Starwars except money for disney
I don't understand how can anyone like TFA, they must have recently walled out of their mom's vagina or being midly retarded
>>64931880
Knowing that there's a story there wets the appetite without stopping the film to tell an unrelated narrative. It's good for an expanded universe book, or for a plot point in a side film. But I didn't want the film to stop at that point to tell me something that has no bearing on the First Order blowing up the planets, or Kylo Ren kidnapping Rey. it would have been a digression.
>>64937991
TFA and Star Wars are literally the only watchable films in the franchise. Even Empire has major pacing issues.
>>64937972
There's a history there that the film hints at but doesn't explain, which is exactly what you want from Star Wars. Boba Fett was interesting because the film flirts with turning him into a character, but never does, and that mystery is inherently interesting.
>>64938075
It was a really stupid way to put it.
She could've easily said; "It passed through many hands through many years and its fallen into mine now" and that would've covered it.
But going "NAH TELL U LATER BROSKI" just feels obtuse.
>>64938129
The Empire Strikes Back is the most overrated film of all time.
>>64938143
No the film hints at fucking nothing with maz.
She's just a bartender with force knowledge, with no hints as to how.
Boba fett had no mystery you dolt; he was a badass bounty hunter with little screen-time, aside from when he spoke back to darth vader without getting choked to death which cemented said badass status.
>>64938149
It was fine. Suspend disbelief. It's also worth noting that only the audience would be concerned with that particular story element, not Rey. So Maz taking time to explaining it to her wouldn't make any sense.
>>64937972
>Yoda was a jedi master.
>Maz is the owner of a bar that displays insight on yoda's level.
>If she was an ex-jedi; it would make sense, unwilling to fight, but still holds onto her heritage.
You assume that, in order to be acquainted with the use of the force, that one must be a Jedi.
I don't think that this is so.
>>64933329
When have they ever shown a light saber breaking from a fall? For all you know, a little parachute could automatically deploy and lead to a safe and slow descent.
>>64938161
TFA is just the shitiest flick I've ever seen in my entire life and that's a lot of movies.
I don't even understand how they allowed this to be released to the public, movie doesnt even make any sense at all
>>64938218
Not at all; but she's a bartender. She has no sect mentioned, no self-teaching, she's just an enigma that somehow knows about the importance of anakin's old ass lightsaber.
>>64938197
>She's just a bartender
Maybe watch the movie? She not only owned the watering hole, she had a statue of her on the top of the building. She's clearly someone of importance and standing on her planet, which explains why she would know so much. The film generally does a great job of articulating these story elements through visuals rather than exposition.
>>64938237
TFA is a perfect film and the end all be all of cinema. See, I can be an hyperbolic asshole too.
>>64938291
It's like jabba the hutt suddenly coming out of nowhere with force mumbo-jumbo with no explanation or even a hint of fore-knowledge.
>>64938266
>she's a bartender
Maz Kanata was a Force-sensitive female smuggler who lived for over one thousand years. Although she was Force-sensitive, she was never trained as a Jedi. She wore eye-covering goggles with adaptable lenses with which she would inspect people's eyes to see what they were feeling. Maz Kanata viewed history as a struggle against the dark side, which she believed had many forms, such as the Sith, the Galactic Empire and the First Order. Around thirty years after the Battle of Endor, she owned a castle which played host to travelers, smugglers, and others
>It's all true, I know it's incredible but it's true... all of it.
Worst fucking sentence in a movie ever. It's like TFA is a sequel to X-men or something about capeshit
It's the worst misinterpretation of a pre existing universe i've ever seen.
It's like JJ abram said "FUCK YOU I HATE STARWARS AND JEDIS" in his new movie.
Well thanks JJ.
>>64938318
Jabba was a shady asshole, not someone who owned a cool hotel and hung out talking to people who came in. If anyone would know some obscure piece of knowledge, it would be someone who literally talks to people all day.
>>64938352
People KNOW jedis exists, it's not a mustery or a legend, people in the galaxy literally know about the jedis, that's why they always suspect them or ask them if they are a jedi in all the previous films.
>>64938346
From the visual novel?
See this shit makes far more sense.
With just her age; we get the impression she's seen alot of fucking shit. It wouldn't be hard to notice hordes of force-wielders fighting over the centuries, then devolving into the same cycles over.
If they'd just mentioned how old she was in the film I'd have no problem.
Same with the political situation, we had no idea the senate was mobile and was based on that planet blown up by starkiller. Other than finn shouting IT WAS THE REPUBLIC.
Well gee.
>>64938352
>Worst fucking sentence in a movie ever.
You didn't get it. Han accepting the truth of the force in the same spot he denied it in ANH is pure Lucas-tier poetry.
>>64926451
>Snoke said it's time to 'complete' Kylo Ren's training... what does that mean exactly?
They will probably go to Moraband to get some Sith dark energy or some other powerup. Calling it now.
>>64938352
Han Solo doubted the jedi existed in the OT.
And in a galaxy of trillions; the jedi order numbered in the hundreds (maybe thousands).
Its not hard to see how most of the galaxy had never seen them. And after the empire painted them as traitors and censored most information about them; its doubtful anyone young (like solo at the time) would be educated about the jedi.
>>64938410
haahahahahhaahahhahaaahahahaha
>not knowing Han was all banter about jedis he wasn't serious
>>64938409
>"I have lived long enough to see the same eyes in different people."
Subtle, but the film tells us that she's old.
>>64938440
I want to see Snoke and Kylo interact.
Like maybe even flashbacks to him turning Kylo by preaching about his grand destiny as a focal point in the light and dark; showing him ancient sith masters, mainly focusing on Vader and Revan as similar light/dark points; which then led to Kylo's fascination with his grandfather and his stylistic revan-mask.
He's a kid trying to play legend.
>>64938448
it was shit nontheless
>>64927332
>Kylo Ren wasn't trying
Not to mention he had a severe wound right in his abdomen.
>>64938450
>muh headcanon
Go away. The skeptical Han telling Rey that Luke is real is fucking great.
>>64937972
>Maz is the owner of a bar that displays insight on yoda's level.
Do you actually believe this?
