Best sci-fi show in a long time. Prove me wrong.
>>64722778
Sadly, I can't. Which says a lot for the genre really. There should be 3-4 such shows and we should be talking about them and bickering about which one is truly the best.
I'm really surprised syfy actually made a good show
what is /tv/'s opinion of this new series?
>>64723301
Shit it is like the only show they've ever made that has been any good at all. It is like the biggest fluke ever.
Just finished ep 5. ITS GOOD YAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
such an amazing scene
BUILT
>>64723702
she's a hot piece of british-dominican mamisonga
>>64723301
They used to before they thought that B movies would pay the bills.
>>64723836
well let's hope they change that
I felt in love with this show as soon as i saw the intro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krqqqgixNq8
>>64724078
it's so good
Loving the shit out of it. I've been waiting to get a sci-fi show like this again for a long time.
MARTIAN PRIDE SYSTEMWIDE
GAS THE BELTERS
SPACE WAR NOW
>>64724445
i know that feel!
>>64724487
Martian invasion of Earth when?
>>64723582
so sad
>>64724487
#beltlivesmatter
>hand signs intensifies
reminder that OPA din du nuffin just tryin to mine for that O2 mang
>>64722778
I like it and agree. Excited to find out what they do differently from the book, and how they are going forward in the next seasons.
>space cop gets fucking impaled to a wall for god knows how long
>somehow survives
>nobody bats an eyelid
favorite character so far
>>64725071
It was the rod that saved his life. Had it been pulled out he'd have died almost instantly.
>nobody bats an eyelid
Did we watch the same episode?
>>64725234>It would have been nice...to see an ocean on Mars.
>>64724745
>hand signs intensifies
Jesus, can you imagine the amount of total autism there would be if this show gets very popular? The nerds will be handsigning all the time. Conventions would be 20 times more awkward to see vids from.
>>64725550
yeah that was another sad thing from that episode
>>64725709
a brand new form of autism is coming
>>64725930
That's clearly the Tachi
>>64725954
you mean the rosinante?
I love it, having a really good time enjoying it before reddit latches on and ruins it
>>64725993
It says Tachi on the side and it's around Mars, so it's the Tachi.
>>64725998
>>64725998
i don't think reddit knows about it
>>64726035
i hope they give it a new paint job
>>64726068
I know that's why it's so good!
>>64726166
Well the Roci is supposed to be a small civilian gas freighter, it looking very much like an MCRN frigate with the name Tachi on the side is a bit suspicious.
>>64723582
>>64726329
[sadness intensifies]
>>64725709
Star Trek/Wars tier large-scale cult followings will probably not happen again, in my opinion,
>>64723188
>>64722778
Best show since the BSG or the tail end of the syndicated Sci-fi of the 1990s.
Not that it AMAZING, but even good sci fi has been really rare on TV in the last decade.
>>64726408
Yea, I had read the book but it still shocked me that they did it like that.
>>64726545
shi shi palenki pokashi bla bla bla
>they make the martians sound like assholes
>martians are actually chill and honorable
who /mars/ here
>>64726715
hello there fellow martian
>>64726545
>tfw no belter sign language teaching hooker gf
>>64726715
>>they make the martians sound like assholes
Don't fall for the earthers and belters propaganda, anon
>>64726408
I had a moment of great sadness when I found out Amos background while reading the 2nd book.
Like Damn-fuck I now even hate Baltimore more.
>tfw no cant to remember
Why live
>>64722778
Dark Matter kicks this Gundam wannabe's scrawny ass.
>>64722778
I personally prefer Killjoys even though The Expanse is much higher quality. I don't know what it is but I like Kill Joys really resonated with me even though there's so many terrible and corny parts.
>>64726445
I agree. The internet provides an outlet for the kind of, for lack of better term, nerdiness that would otherwise build up into a cult-like fandom.
Farscape was the last thing to have a chance at that kind of following, but the internet becoming more mainstream and Sci-Fi canning it popped that bubble.
>>64726715
Indeed. Though to be fair, at this point you really have only met one ship of Martians. 2nd book you get a lot better understanding of them.
>>64726787
:(
>>64726805
i just found out about the books when i saw the first episodes, so i don't know anything of the characters
>dark matter
L M A O
>>64725930
so they have their own ship now...is this gonna be like Firefly?
>>64726813
Dark Matter is okay, and with the lack of (space) scifi shows of somewhat acceptable quality in recent years it might be even be great, but it's leagues behind the Expanse for me. Same goes for Killjoys.
>>64726665
I'm not one for calling plot armor but I was pretty confident they weren't going to explode in that scene.
>>64726990they all die
>>64726808
you can always learn - Xetamang tili du xeta
>>64726911
Yeah - I finished the first book and I am about 2/3 way though the 2nd book. 2nd book is better then the first so far.
>>64727158
Big Red > everyone else
>>64727321
He's right you know, the other 4 books after the first are just imaginary.
>>64726715
Mars is a dead planet. Always has been, always will be. You just keep dreaming about terraforming under your domes with your dicks in your hands if that makes you feel better. But the hard truth is that even your great-grandkids will never see Mars terraformed. They won't even share your dream of a terraformed mars as it will be forgotten as a closed-minded daydream. For why would your children stay on that rock if the stars are open to them?
>>64726891
>>64726445
A lot of that has to do with word building though. Modern sci fi is pretty much sucks at it because of its focus on grim dark. Proper world building almost always contains elements of fantasy otherwise their is no motivation to escape into it. TNG has an enlightened human race and technology that was so advanced it bordered on magic. What does the expanse have? Political struggles and white trash in space. What potential is there for cosplay. Most if not all the characters are assholes. What incentive is there for anyone to be THAT emotionally invested in the universe.
>>64727100
True, but since they can die, there is some tension.
>>64727118which book?
>>64727415
so this is just another GoT...fucking dropped
>>64727415
>>64727321
Theylivebut a major major character does die.
>>64727222
Yea, big red is awesome. I wonder who they will cast for that.
>No more /spash/
where can i find the books?
So, the series follows unusually hard physics right?
Like every ship operates under the same basic principles as the Apollo program, meaning the main limitations to movement in space are in fact fuel capacity and human endurance and therefore every movement (especially acceleration and deceleration) has to be carefully planned and executed over a very long period of time.
So how were the ships that attacked the Martians so nimble? I could've sworn I saw them doing some wheeling X-wing type bullshit that should have both emptied their gas tanks and splatted their pilots.
>>64727721the pirate bay
>>64727721
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expanse_(novel_series)
I will say that Leviathan Wakes is good, but you can tell it was a first time effort. Caliban's War is a real page turner.
>>64727796
What are you talking about? They have artificial gravity.
>>64727542
They made them all much worse than the book. It's annoying as hell. Makes me not want to watch, but I'm hungry for humans fucking up our first growth into space on TV. Love that sub genre, be it Gundam, Cherryh, or most anything else that's dabbled with it.
ayy lmaos
>>64727796
There is a "magic handwaving" that means that though a technology advance (the Epstein drive) which is very efficient. Thus, larger ships can do stead .5 g or 1 g burns for days at a time. Which means the solar system is open, but going beyond it requires something like what the Mormons are building.
>>64727899
Nope. Every ship is built vertically like a Buck Rogers rocket, the "artificial gravity" is just them being held down by their own acceleration and the minute they stop accelerating everybody floats. Long journeys are accomplished by accelerating halfway there, then turning 180 degrees and decelerating the rest of the way there.
>>64722778
It's absolutely fucking awful and atrocious. It is literally unwatchably bad.
>>64728046
Yeah, but that still means the guys who attacked the Martians, as soon as they overshot the target, should have taken days to turn around and pursue them again instead of being right back up their ass?
>>64727899
The only reason why they have "artifical gravity" is by spinning or maintaining gravity though the drives giving thrust. When the ships are not moving they have to click on their mag-boots. (Thus the red light on the boot)
>>64728210
Depends on relative velocity and acceleration.
>>64728210
No, as they were at the start of the episode burning to slow down. thus the retaliative speed between the ships was not great.
Also, they slowed down, everyone fired torps, and then started to Rail gun each other while their self defense cannons were operating.
>>64728156
Did you stop on the 1st or 2nd episode? the 3-5 episodes have been excellent.
>>64728402
Why did they work so hard to make Miller look and act like a twat?
>>64728588
Well he is a 50 something drunk detectivewho gets fired and then goes off the deep end before joining with his waifu on venus
>>64728210
>days
my God realistic types of space battles are just overwhelming. Being in the navy or starfleet must be so boring. I'm more of a star wars type of space battles, huge lasers and lots and lots of starfighters
>>64728588
Because he is a twat. He's a burned out cop with odd ideas and odder fashion sense. He's an outsider to all; he's Belter born but works for an Earth corp, and cares about the people but knows he's just one guy and can't stop an entirely conflict by himself. He's fucked up. That's why he attaches himself to the idea of Julie, because he thinks that he's weak, and admires her.
>>64728694
I just recall, and it's been a very long time, him being a sort of "grey area" cop in the books. As in you have to bend the rules to do the right thing. In the show he just seems like a corrupt ass.
Same with the Cant crew too. They didn't want to stop to investigate the distress call really, but they did with a groan. In the show they try to hide it and ignore it.
>>64728747
The biggest limitation to space travel really is the squishy bullshit that we're made out of.
>>64728747
Honor Harrington books did it pretty good. There's some sci-fi bits, but it's mostly realistic. Missiles take around half an hour to hit a target or such.
It's nice to see some sci-fi that doesn't have a bunch of gay ayy lmaos.
>>64728747
Wouldn't be days if their delta of their relativistic speeds to each other was small. Overshooting a target would indicate poor planning when both ships can burn at 1g for days at a time.
It was clearly stated that the ships were burning to slow down to engage.
>>64728869
i guess i have to rid myself of all the star wars on me
>>64727555They die in:they haven't actually died. As of the newest book they're still cruising around in the Rocinante causing trouble.
>>64728802
The Cant crew was altered. Then again, in the books the crew got along from the get go, and the writers of the show spent a episode having tension between them.
Miller is not that modified, if anything, he softer in the show as he does not kill the landlord who refuses to do the filters right. While in the books he tells his partner how no belter gives a shit about a guy who scrimps on the environmental controls.
>>64729084
that what I thought it was a troll. Thanks
Though they are in a pickle in book 2 right now were I am at.
>earth marine armor
>some overalls and a flak jacket lmao
/marspride/
The books are horrible. Is the series actually good? Are they being put on Netflix or anything parallel to scyfy?
>>64729179
who would you cast for big red?
http://www.syfy.com/theexpanse/drive/
If you haven't read this, get in there. It's all of seven pages, it's a short story set 150 years before the show so you know it's spoiler-free, and it very clearly sets up key pieces of the physics and technology used in the show and the horrifying bullshit everybody has to suffer through and be threatened by absolutely every time they fly in this setting.
>>64729226
Its quite good so far.
Episode 1 and 2 are ...eh
3-5 have been excellent.
>>64726990
Not a too bad of a approximation.
main character literally is causing a war and he's not even going to bother telling the truth so the war is avoided
How does it compare to 12 Monkeys? That show was fucking dope.
>>64729488
Don't worry, he willfuck things up morebefore he sorta fixes things.
Jim Holden is a god of Chaos.
>>64728912
>>64727542Nigga there was literally an alien in the first minute of the first episode
>>64729590
fugg
>>64729615at this point for all you know it is some military tech gone a muck. Which is not totally untrue. "First. Fastest. Furthest."
>>64729747
Indeed.
Also since I am the resident webm guy. Any requests?
>>64729924
you got any with martian marines? or the Donniger vs the unknown ships?
>>64730003
let me make more with the marines.
>>64730080
thanks
>>64730003
and here comes the MCRN marines and the unknown attackers
>>64730266
i just love their armor so much, I hope the U.N. has cool ones too, the one from that flashback really sucked
>>64730266
>>64730384
this guy right here
>>64730397
In the 2nd book it clear that the armor is like the mars armor. Sure when we see it in a current setup it will be impressive.
>>64729547
Felt like better quality of episodes, the story is more intriguing, some characters seem interesting as well. At least these 5 episodes.
Note I'm a sucker for anything science fiction and space related tho.
>>64729615
>>64727927
Don't get me wrong, I like the show, it just doesn't shock me that modern sci fi fails to generate cult status. The settings are generally mundane and there isn't much for the reader to speculate about other than plot twists. I mean look at BSG, last big modern sci fi hit and what do they have? Cylons? Fucking that's it? Living ships and cyborgs? Several seasons of living ships and cyborgs? Star Trek had tons of different planets with different cultures and different species. Same with Farscape. I'm not saying alien diversity is the penultimate sign of quality sci fi, it's just grimdark sci fi leaves little to the imagination which leads to less replay value, conversation, culture, etc.
>>64730599
40K is grimdark with vast diversity.
Forgot to post this ...so here a new one.
>31 billion people on earth
>literally 4.25 times the current population
>current population of greater tokyo 37.8m
>future population of greater tokyo 160.6m
>los angeles 18.5m, future 78.6m
>nyc 23.5m, future 99.9m
>london 14m, future 59.5m
>>64730599
I think the other thing is that viewership is much more balkanized.
TNG would have 15-20 million people watch it, since there was only 13 channels. that LOST numbers. Now they are getting 500-1 million and are happy.
>>64731011
Sadly ungrounded, too. With current birthrates we're going to peak at 9 or 10 billion mid-century and then decline indefinitely.
In particular Tokyo will DEFINITELY be depopulated, there won't be 160 million people in the entirety of Japan, let alone that city.
>>64731011
I wonder how many of those millions are on Basic?
>>64731122
There won't be 160 million JAPANESE but there might be that many Chinese/Korean/pinoys/brazillians/etc in Tokyo
>>64731122
Not with Immigration. hordes of 3rd worlders.
Stopped watching the show when I realised the protagonist is 10/10 alpha male
Producers fucked up, how can I relate to the show?
>>64731011
No reason to believe every city grew at exactly the same rate. More likely urban buildup continued along transit routes and out over former suburbs.
>>64731122
True enough but trends don't necessarily last forever, it's making the same mistake as the population only grows crowd to believe the projected leveling off of human population is some kind of endgame. A substantial drop in population might be exactly the catalyst that gets it growing again.
Also we know they have some kind of pro-birth tax-incentive.
>>64731609Miller and Julie Maois a alpha? and male?
Any book readers care to tell me how close this follows the books? I understand they are probably compressing the story but is it right?
We haven't seen much of her acting, but I will say they got the look right that I had for a mostly Asian woman from Luna.
>>64731404
The problem with every exponential birthrate projection are the huge numbers of factors that are simply ignored. Like how even the most optimistic of projections won't allow for the middle kingdom to support 4-6 billion people. Then you have to factor the cultural alterations even 2 billion chinese would have. Japan is seeing a situation where its a female controlled breeding market, as a result most men simply aren't getting sex.
population nubmers of 10+ billion all go back to the mouse utopia experiments, in which in absence of any hard mitigating factors (food, space, even currency), soft (or cultural for lack of a better word) factors become what limit population to manageable figures.
In short, societal collapse due to overpopulation is a complete and total fucking myth perpetuated by idiots.
>>64731819
There's differences. There was no data broker on Ceres in the books, so he'll probably serve to shortcircuit some of the plot there. But on the whole they're doing a great job.
Whats it about?
>>64731819
actually right now they are NOT compressing the books, thus I don't see how they will finish book 1 in 10 episodes.
Changed the navigator to a blond
almost all of episode 2 is not in the books
Chrisjen Avasarala (earth political woman) doesn't appear till book 2.
Anderson station didn't quite happen the way in the novel
the landlord who almost thrown out of the airlock WAS thrown out of the airlock, but Miller was telling his partner it.
The Havlock plot-line is not the same (He not almost killed, no qt hooker)
>>64731819
Also, my understanding is that they aren't fitting the whole of the first book into the first season. I imagine book one will be wrapped up by mid season two.The first season is still going to have one fucking whammy of an ending though if they're finale'ing where I think they are.
>>64732023
I suspect the databroker plot linewill make it more simple why miller gets fired and why he goes to Eros.
>>64726915
It's good for the blue hair and that's about it. But I have a fetish for mexican manic pixies sooooo
>>64732142
I can see a few really good points to make a cliffhanger.finding Julie (most this is where I think it will end)the moment of deadspacegetting off Eros
but I really thinkfinding Juliewill be one hell of a hammerthrow.
>>64722778
is it waifus??
>>64732023
>>64732134
>>64732142
Thanks, I think I'll pick up the books.
I thought the pilot was boring as shit. Does it get better?
>>64732320
>>64732142
In that case there's literally no way they're adapting every book because A: It'd take 20 fucking years and B: SyFy contractually cancels every scripted series on Season 5 now.
>>64732320I'm about 90% sure it'll end with them leaving Eros with about a third of the SAN points they had when they arrived.
>>64732406
Episode 4 is great. I'd say 3 is pretty good too.
>>64732142
I cannot wait tillEarth Pearl Harbors Mars. If we actually see that and not told it people will shit their pants.
Theres a few things I dont understand:
Does Earth need water too? How the fuck?
Whats up with the hand signs on Ceres?
How is Mars a threat when they are literally protected by fucking glass?
>>64732419
They need to hurry then.
Though I will sayI really hope they can do Eros this season. Will be fun to people reaction to it.
>>64732418
Normally they don't get to season 5. I will be happy to get what we get.
>>64732379
there area few, but someare dead
>>64732406
3 and 4 are great.
>>64732635
A: No, they desalinate their asses off.
B: Belters spend so much of their lives in space suits that hand signals got canonized into their language.
C: Mars has a massive fleet of highly advanced and heavily armed ships, they can kill everyone on Earth just as easily as Earth could wipe them out.
Titles of next four episodes
"Retrofit"
"Windmills"
"Salvage"
"Leviathan Wakes"
>>64732708
Okay so how Earth has any grip on Mars?
Id assume Mars is generally closer to Ceres, and they obviously need its water more than Earth, so why does Earth care about the belt at all?
>>64732635
>Does Earth need water too? How the fuck?
Less than Mars, but a bit. They use it in their ships for manoeuvring thrust.
>Whats up with the hand signs on Ceres?
Spaceman culture. They need body language you can express while wearing a bulky spacesuit.
>How is Mars a threat when they are literally protected by fucking glass?
The domes are actually underground, but accelerate a tungsten blob to sufficient speed and anywhere can be taken out just the same. Mars's martial capabilities are basically the result of better science and engineering. They're not stagnant, like Earth. They have fewer ships, but better ones.
>>64732635
>Does Earth need water too? How the fuck?
They don't need water, they need the mineral resources. Earth does need Ceres water for projects like Luna. (It cheaper energy wise to ship water from Ceres to the moon then earth to the moon.) but they mostly need it for all the metals and so on the belt gives earth.
>Whats up with the hand signs on Ceres?
Belters have a language and hand signs that developed from working on spacesuits all the time. it cultural shift from earth.
>How is Mars a threat when they are literally protected by fucking glass?
Earth can be hit by big rocks too. Mars is independent and has a strong navy. Both mars and Earth are competing for the Belt and moons on Jupiter and Saturn. Mars wants resources to support its taraforming. Earth wants to support its 30 plus billion people. Many of who are welfare folks.
Mars is much more high tech then Earth, just has a smaller navy and manpower size.
>>64732802
Earth is completely running out of materials like tungsten and molybdenum that are rich in the asteroids and on Mars. Mars needs water from the asteroids.
Mars is *nearly* self-sufficient but still depends on Earth for certain natural resources in the medium and long term.
>>64732802
Earth doesn't really have any grip on Mars anymore. It used to, but Mars invented the Epstein drive, and shared it with Earth in exchange, effectively, for independence. Why worry about Mars, they reason, when the mineral-rich Belt is now opened up?
>>64732723
I wonder if theyare going to the Anubis before Eroswith those titles.
>>64732802
Mars is independent. Both Earth and Mars have large fleets. Both mars and earth want to control the belt.
>>64732989
Totally possible. They're definitely selling theAnubisangle more heavily thanErosso far, so I could believe it.
>>64730684
Only proves my point. 40k has a cult following.
Okay so I got another question, not so related with the show:
"Gravity" on ships is generated by it moving. So Id assume the faster it moves the more "gravity" it generates. If it moves to fast, could it crush the people inside? Whats the limit it can move, considering we have pilots on earth piloting crafts that reach the speed of sound?
>>64727053
If Dark Matter would get even a slight budget boost it would be fine. With every single spare dime going into the Expanse though it seems that's unlikely to happen
>>64733102
Yep, all correct. The crash couches are good, and the Juice helps too, but if you're doing 20g for more than a few seconds you're still going to stroke out.
>>64733047
Total guesses
>"Retrofit"Miller fights with the OPA, Holden and crew deal with Fred. Ship is retrofitted with the tanks
>"Windmills"Miller is fired for not getting the OPA scum. Crew finds out about the Anubis
>"Salvage"Miller tries to salvage his life after being fired, Crew explores the Anubis
>"Leviathan Wakes"Miller goes to Eros to follow up on Julie, Crew looks at Anubis logs and go to Eros, find Julie.
Leaving Episode 10 forbetter living though protomolecule
>>64733102
>If it moves to fast, could it crush the people inside?
Yes.
This is a very important plot point that will only become more and more important as the series goes along. "Death by too fast" and "Death by too fast and then suddenly too slow" are probably more common ways to bite it than getting your fuckin' head railgunned off.
>>64733102
it's not the speed, it's the acceleration
>>64727542
The first Trek series and first Star Wars movie both had shitty world building. They succeeded because they were the first scifi brands to really score big on their respective mediums. The world building only came later when sequels and subsequent series tried to hammer the their respective settings into a coherent shape
>>64733102
Yep, too many gs and you will pass out. Even fighter pilots cannot survive Gs for too long. They do have drugs to deal with it in the book, but they can still be damaged. Lopez in the show/Kelly in the book dies due to the G forces causing his injuries to worsen.
>>64733106
it needs a writing and acting boost
>>64733336
>>64733336
>too many Gs and you will pass out
also, way too many Gs and you will literally be crushed. one of the many flaws of sci-fi FTL travel
>>64733404
Indeedy
>>64733311
HOL UP
So when a ship finishes getting the speed it wants, if it stops accelerating then its back to 0g? Even with the ship moving?
That would make the show retarded because then theyre accelerating forever and eventually would reach kill speeds.
>>64733444
There are no kill speeds. Only G-forces due to acceleration.
Do you realize how fast your body is moving right now relative to other celestial bodies?
>>64733404
And the deadliest thing about The Expanse's STL travel.
To the extent that the dickhead who invented the setting's magic interplanetary engines JUST went 5% of the speed of light and ended up like this.
>>64733444
What is the kill speed in space?
>>64733444
Generally the ships burn at a fraction of G (say .3g for mars gravity) and half way they turn around and start to slow down.
What do you mean by "Kill speed?" if you accelerate at 1g you not going to die from the speed, unless you hit something...
>>64733444
No. The ship accelerates to the speed it wants halfway along on a long journey, then spends the entire second half decelerating again.Later a VERY deadly weapon is introduced that can instantly decelerate ships.
>>64722778
>that diversity panel
>>64733511
He's retarded. Only "kill" speed would be as you approach light speed.
>>64733361
well i assume that's what they would spend their budget boost on. surely they wouldnt blow it on two extra CGI scenes
>>64733493The Mormons will never do their generation ship :(
>>64733493
In Star Trek terms, imagine if that happened to Zefram Cochrane.
And laugh.
>>64733580
Aw man, I was doing a Socratic method thing. I thought if I could get him to investigate and come up with a number, and fail to, he might realise that his brain is made of raspberry jelly.
>>64733577
Book crew
Montana farmboy
Mars guy of Indian stock with a texas accent
Black-asian-white mix
big guy from Baltimore
>>64733475
>>64733511
>>64733527
>>64733548
I am retarded, by the way
Regardless, how do you measure gravity then in a moving but not accelerating spaceship? Or is there no gravity in this situation?
>>64733444
if it's not accelerating then yes it is back to 0g. "Gs" are a measure of acceleration. since you seem to be new to physics, here's a mindfucker for ya. if you are in an enclosed vessel travelling at a constant 10mph, 100mph, or even 100000mph, there's no way for you to know that you're even moving. speed is relative
Reminder that this series is co-authored by one of GRRM'ssexualassistants
>>64733706
Nope. The instant acceleration ends, the ship is still hurtling forward at the same speed, but there is no longer any gravity inside the ship.
All artificial gravity in the setting is created by a ship accelerating, then turning backwards and decelerating. All of the ships are build vertically for this purpose, like tall office buildings.
Read in one of the previous threads that in the Expanse universe, the population of Mars was 9 billion...
To put that in perspective, that's almost 2 billion more people than are on Earth alone right now... on a much smaller planet with no oceans, no arable land, etc.
So how the fuck is Mars able to support that many people? Supposedly they live in domed and underground cities, but really? It's a planet without breathable atmosphere, how the fuck can they support 9 billion people when right now on Earth with all the land and resources we have at our disposal we cannot even support ourselves?
Is it a typo or something, is it supposed to be 9 million?
Should I watch it?
>>64733781
One assumption would be that their underground cities are very, very vertical, mile-long shafts with thousands of heavily populated floors.
The planet might be populated almost all the way to it's core.
>>64733766
>>64733773
I see I see
Real thanks, sorry for me being retarded and all.
LAST QUESTIONDo you guys think humanity will one day conquer the vastness of space?
>>64733781
Martians are geniuses.
That's actually a plot point.
>>64733796
If you like space and mostly believable physics, yeah.
>>64733706
If a ship is not accelerating or de-accelerating you would be in a microgravity situation. To all but scientific instruments it would appear that you would be in weightlessness.
The two ways you can produce gravity like effects is by using acceleration to mimic gravity, or using spin to mimic gravity.
>>64733781
The book has a population that is a lot less - 3 billion.
>>64733706
you're getting all jumbled about Gs. the GRAVITY is artificial, generated by lmaospacetech to simulate normal earth gravity aka 1g aka 32.2ft/s^2. when they talk about a maneuver at say 10g's, it means they are experiencing an acceleration that is numerically equal to 10 times the Earths gravity or 322ft/s^2. a "g" is just a more convenient unit for acceleration, and the force experienced during spess maneuvers is unrelated to whatever artificial gravity they may or may not have
>>64733878
Shit man now that you touched that I have a real final question, or rather a request: How does that spin generated gravity works?
When the ship was spinning all around in ep 5 I was a bit confused. I assumed it needed to spin in a specific way.
>>64728046
>>64733611
Isn't building a generation ship with no fucking idea that there's an inhabitable planet at the far end of it unbelievably retarded?
Not letting the Mormons fly away in that godamn thing is probably saving their lives.
Their entire theory seems to be about as solid as the Bright Brotherhood from Fallout.
>>64733796
Only if you want to remember the cant
>>64733850
If we do we will no longer be Human.
>>64733850
nah we'll run out of food before we have the technology to even go far as to do more like
>>64733962
If it's spinning at the right speed, the "gravity" is inertia sticking you to the wall of the barrel. If the barrel is big enough (as in multiple km in diameter), this will feel like perfectly comfortable solid ground to you instead of like a shitty amusement park ride.
>>64733966
Mormons have a lot of money spent on investigating that earth, mars and others have not.
Also, it not any more insane then what settled Polynesia. (Family groups sailing off over the horizon with a percentile chance of finding land that they could use.)
>>64733962
centripetal acceleration. like the ship in Interstellar. spinning around a point creates an acceleration radially outward, like trying to hold on to one of these unruly faggots when they're spinning. math it up and you can make it equal to whatever gravity you want.
>>64733962
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect
>>64733850
The scenario described in The Expanse is perfectly viable, colonizing everything in the solar system that's not too hot, too radioactive or too high pressure.
We might even be able to hit a couple other stars in generation ships, or as crazy cyborg posthumans.
The problem with the vastness of the universe and no physics-breaking hyperdrive or warp magic is....
The universe didn't cheat to get out there in the first place. You see a star millions of light years away? It got that far away by flying for billions of years. Once upon a time it was right on top of us along with all the other matter in the galaxy, and by science fiction standards it didn't really fly away from us *THAT* fast.
It just flew for fucking unimaginable ages, and it's still flying.
Any theoretical stuff about wormholes or quantum vibrations or space folding is really wishful bullshit.
>>64734259
Even the expanse has a super efficient drive to allow for expanded storytelling.
>>64734259
But if we assume humans dont run out of resources, maybe we will conquer some of it in a few thousand years or so.
Shit would all be disconnected from each other but we would have gone far
>>64734157
No anon, no.
What you are looking for is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centripetal_force
>>64734380
Definitely, but aside from the constant to-and-fro ferrying in the name of adventure necessitated by a novel, at massive expense we could pretty much chuck people at every rock in the solar system right now with existing chemical engines.
>>64734398
a mighty assumption tho
If I could wax philosophical for a second, isn't it kind of horrifying to contemplate how nothing in existence is actually still or solid, and it only appears to be by some fault of our limited perspective?
We're sitting on a planet spinning around at thousands of miles per hour and hurtling in circles around a star that's spinning at thousands of miles per hour and hurtling around a galaxy and the fucking galaxy is spinning at thousands of miles an hour and hurtling around God knows what and the only reason the innumerable amount of giant circular pieces of shit haven't all smashed each other into atoms billions of years ago is because they're actually so fucking far apart that 99.9999999999% of everything in between them is just empty space.
And yet if you put a soda can on a table, that motherfucker sits right there with no visible movement instead of instantly whipping off and knocking a bloody hole through your ribcage.
It's the easiest thing to ignore for fiction's sake in a Star Wars "airplanes in space" type scenario but it's quite possibly the most important concept in existence in the real universe.
Our very existence as electrically charged, fluid filled sacks of brittle calcium sticks doesn't really make any fucking sense at all in that kind of scale and context, and the more I contemplate it the more it drives me nuts.
>>64734890
yeah it's crazy. there is no 0 velocity. it's literally all relative
>>64734970
>>64734890
are you pretending to be dumb
>>64735350
I don't feel dumb at all. There's a difference between being intellectually aware of something and actually visualizing it because the average person is very poorly equipped to begin to rationalize something so large, so fast or so old.
I don't have much of a physics background, yet none of the concepts in The Expanse are completely new to me, yet I've never totally contemplated them before.
>>64732134
>actually right now they are NOT compressing the books, thus I don't see how they will finish book 1 in 10 episodes.
That's the point, if they don't complete LW before the end of season 1 there's still a reason for you to go out and buy it between seasons.
>>64734890
>And yet if you put a soda can on a table, that motherfucker sits right there with no visible movement
There's a reason for that.
We are only affected acceleration not velocity, it's like when inside an airplane you can feel it taking off but you cant feel it when it reached flight speed.
The earth, the sun, and the galaxy is not accelerating they are all moving at a constant speed and you should be glad for that.
>>64728490
Did you say /splash/?
>>64722778
The space physics inaccuracies are annoying the hell out of me.
>>64738775
Are there any sci-fi shows that are more realistic in that respect then?
>>64738986
No, ignore people with full blown autism.
>>64723444
I fucking love it, best scifi show since BSG, and that's saying a lot.
>>64739061
But they're the best part of this show.
>>64738986
Not really, I guess I was just hoping it'd be more tolerable.
There was one scene near the end of the first episode where they're getting ready to go to the distress signal, and they're inside that small ship which appears to not have gravity in it(Implied by their gravity boot things, magnetic I guess?).
I can get over the fact that they're basically just walking normally, but then they place down some bags and start rifling through them, the bags just sit there unaffected by 0g, along with all the gear inside of them. Maybe we can just assume those bags have the same technology as their boots, but it still annoyed me a bit. Mainly because of the boots being shown and making sounds at the start of this scene which sets up the whole 0g scenario. If they just didn't have the boots at all I could have simply assumed magic sci fi artificial gravity and I never would of thought twice about any of it.
The 0g shakycam nonsense is silly as well, and fuck that god damn fedora on the detective.
With all that said I'm still going to watch more of it since supposedly it gets better in the later episodes.
>>64727555
>ROCI's TURRETED MULTICANNONS
The show has better standards and story then Dark Matter then the bounty hunter's one, tho they are okay in their own right, and is compfy as hell.
Just wish they wouldnt get abandoned by SyFy after 1-2 seasons and forgoten, just let the show runners have their 5 or so seasons - however many needed to follow up the books completely.
>>64739530
>the bags just sit there unaffected by 0g,
The scene in 2001 where the lunch tray takes off is wrong. Things will actually stay where they are put in microgravity.
>>64722778
If i get into this show, can we have threads a lot?
/mam/ wont last another week. I need something new to get into.
>>64740335
There have been regular threads over recent weeks, one of which reached the bump limit. No live watch thread though. It turns out almost no one can actually watch the show live.
